Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Paddington Bear]

A consequence of not offering safe legal routes maybe? These issues need international co-operation and conciliation, but we have a government which now prefers confrontation with a sledgehammer as first option.

Sure, this is part of the story. But whilst we allow people to stay who arrive on small boats without having genuine asylum/refugee grounds, there is likely to always be a market for people to cross. See the increasing number of Indians using it as a route into the country.

So we need to spend money on faster processing and effort on international treaties about returning people. Neither of which this government are willing to do.

I wasn't defending the government, I was pointing out that this isn't a manufactured crisis and there are serious issues to be addressed.

[dpedin]

The comms professionals are employed for incendiary copy. Realistically, nobody in the UK actually knows how many boats come into the UK per day/week/month/year. The crisis is entirely manufactured by the press and right wing politicians. And the logical end point is the trap they've got caught in over an issue they've turned highly toxic and can't control.

It's hard to say it is entirely manufactured - not being able to control a border and leaving vulnerable people at the mercy of predatory gangs operating overseas is a crisis in of itself

Yes true, but the crisis is not one faced by the Daily Mail reading, Stoke on Trent presiding, British electorate.

War in Ukraine is a crisis. Food inflation, rampant poverty and folk freezing in their own homes in the UK is a crisis. Covid was, and Long Covid probably still is, a crisis. Undiluted shit polluting our rivers and beaches and destroying our wildlife for years is a crisis. A failing Windsor agreement and the real threat of armed conflict in NI is a crisis. The underfunded and failing NHS causing 1,000s of excess deaths is a crisis. 40,000 folk coming over the channel of which 75% are successful in claiming asylum is not a crisis in context of 2022 net immigration of c500,000! I would suggest we all need to stop being sucked into this Gov shit show racist rhetoric, stand back a bit and put some of this xenophobic bollocks into a wider context!

There is a criminal problem that needs to be dealt with but unsurprisingly the current Gov are failing miserably in tackling the human traffickers despite numerous journalists tracking these gangs down with considerable ease. The reality is that this issue has been hijacked by the right wing elements in the Tory Party and is being used as a vehicle to shout about racism without calling it racism and to attract the little Englander vote. They will avoid doing all the sensible things to reduce the problem - hunting down and convicting human trafficking gangs, speeding up asylum claims and reducing the need for hotel accommodation, letting asylum seekers work and earn money, process asylum seekers in France and other EU countries, have sensible return policies with EU countries like we had pre Brexit, etc.

This whole 'boat crisis' is a manufactured distraction. If you remember it was initiated by Farage sitting on the cliffs of Dover pointing to some poor sods in a wee dinghy and calling them invaders. Of course the UK should be doing more to protect innocent folk from being trafficked in small boats over a dangerous water route but in the wider scheme of things this is not a crisis - it is a badly managed operational Borders Agency and Home Office disaster. However the current Gov want it to be on the top of the press headlines to distract from all the other shit they are responsible for - Hancock WhatsApp messages, tanking economy, failing Windsor Agreement, failing Brexit, senior Tory resignations like Brady, etc.

It is interesting that there seems to have been a number of new offers made to striking rail, ambulance, NHS staff etc in recent days which are not hitting the news as the 'Small Boats Crisis' is capturing the headlines! Some would say a coincidence?

[I like neeps]

It's hard to say it is entirely manufactured - not being able to control a border and leaving vulnerable people at the mercy of predatory gangs operating overseas is a crisis in of itself

A consequence of not offering safe legal routes maybe? These issues need international co-operation and conciliation, but we have a government which now prefers confrontation with a sledgehammer as first option.

Sure, this is part of the story. But whilst we allow people to stay who arrive on small boats without having genuine asylum/refugee grounds, there is likely to always be a market for people to cross. See the increasing number of Indians using it as a route into the country.

I'd want to hear more of their motives... There's going to be a lot of climate refugees from India in the very near future - Rajasthan and Gujarat are reaching some pretty unliveable temperatures in some parts of the year even now.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Sure, this is part of the story. But whilst we allow people to stay who arrive on small boats without having genuine asylum/refugee grounds, there is likely to always be a market for people to cross. See the increasing number of Indians using it as a route into the country.

So we need to spend money on faster processing and effort on international treaties about returning people. Neither of which this government are willing to do.

I wasn't defending the government, I was pointing out that this isn't a manufactured crisis and there are serious issues to be addressed.

Did we not now there were international conflicts, persecution and climate change even before we get to disparate levels of wealth across nations. Also we've reduced capacity to process claims.

Essentially if we're not in the shit because we intended to manufacture a crisis we've got some people running policy who shouldn't be trusted to fasten their velcro shoes for lack of intellect.

And the serious issue to address if you want to reduce the claims is to revisit what's meant by giving an ability to claim asylum, and that's a multilateral renegotiation of some International agreements and treaties, and we've not so far as I know taken step one there. So...

[TheNatalShark]

Edit: @dpedin

For the refugees affected this is most certainly a crisis.

Not just the ones forced to take boats and unsafe routes to get here, but the ones that don't even try - the ones that aided us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and that share our values and language after being exposed to our cultures in a quarter of the globe, that most reasonable British people would say "Yes, for all the ill in the world and knowing we can't save the world ourselves, I think we should set-up routes to help these people first and foremost". Fair? Probably not - but we're not even doing that, and have for all intents and purposes have given up fixing the crisis at source by navel gazing and shouting about Brexit, refugees, train drivers, "woke", etc...

That is our crisis in this, I think.

I think trying to lessen the full scale of the problem by saying it isn't a crisis is demeaning it and the lives lost in the journey - not that I think you're intentionally doing that.

[_Os_]

Two things need to happen with immigration:

First the entire system needs more funding. New laws without new funding aren't going to do much. I suspect the new funding would do more to improve things than even more authoritarian laws. The main issue with the asylum system is it takes years to process cases and by then people are settled anyway. The pull factors aren't being addressed either, it seems likely the UK has a large black market economy. There is a category of person that comes to the UK with the intention or working illegally in the black market (abusing a tourist or student visa), fully intending to use whatever process to extend their stay once discovered (asylum system etc), but also intending to return to their home country, like an unofficial prolonged working holiday. A British Indian explained to me how multiple cousins had done this.

Second there needs to be a new wide ranging Immigration Act, that isn't crazy red meat for the racists. It needs to end situations arising where legacy legal immigrants (they've been in the UK legally for decades) find themselves fighting the system and have their lives ruined, because some official or law/rule suddenly decides they're illegal, this could be done via an automatic upgrading of there status a long time after arrival (20+ years). There needs to be reform/scrapping of the hostile environment system, asylum seekers have huge restrictions on working and have no hope of renting, the hostile environment has created the hotel system. Once people gain refugee status (and have no formal restrictions on working) few employers want to risk employing them and no decent landlord wants to risk renting to them (because if their status suddenly changes both employer or landlord can be heavily fined the system is too complex for them to discern risk level, and they have no track record so both employer or landlord cannot be sure they won't trash everything), years in a hotel as an asylum seeker then 5 years on refugee status before ILR isn't really working and will create an underclass (5 years trapped in a shit job in a shit area, means that's what they'll integrate into).

Because a lot of what the tabloids focus on exists outside the law, more and more laws tend only to impact people legally in the UK and change nothing otherwise ...

[robmatic]

A consequence of not offering safe legal routes maybe? These issues need international co-operation and conciliation, but we have a government which now prefers confrontation with a sledgehammer as first option.

Sure, this is part of the story. But whilst we allow people to stay who arrive on small boats without having genuine asylum/refugee grounds, there is likely to always be a market for people to cross. See the increasing number of Indians using it as a route into the country.

So we need to spend money on faster processing and effort on international treaties about returning people. Neither of which this government are willing to do.

The UK basically doesn't have a reasonable route for asylum claims, that's the first big problem that the government can't/won't deal with. I don't think the boat crossing issue is tolerable regardless though, it's irregular migration by people who are not in imminent danger, unless France is a lot more war-torn and repressive than I realised.

UK immigration policy and application is generally just a shambles. It manages to result in pretty high net migration flows while being not fair, compassionate or strategic.

[robmatic]

The pull factors aren't being addressed either, it seems likely the UK has a large black market economy. There is a category of person that comes to the UK with the intention or working illegally in the black market (abusing a tourist or student visa), fully intending to use whatever process to extend their stay once discovered (asylum system etc), but also intending to return to their home country, like an unofficial prolonged working holiday. A British Indian explained to me how multiple cousins had done this.

I spent a few years working as a visa consultant, helping Turks who wanted to settle/work in the UK. There is definitely some abuse of the tourist visa system to work illegally, which of course the UK tries to prevent by placing absurd restrictions on the granting of tourist visas rather than dealing with the illegal working.

Turks like the UK as a destination because it's also relatively easy to get permanent residency/citizenship. Basically if you manage to fudge your way around the system for 5 years, which is doable if you pay a professional, you are sorted and have an extremely valuable status.

[dpedin]

Edit: @dpedin

For the refugees affected this is most certainly a crisis.

Not just the ones forced to take boats and unsafe routes to get here, but the ones that don't even try - the ones that aided us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and that share our values and language after being exposed to our cultures in a quarter of the globe, that most reasonable British people would say "Yes, for all the ill in the world and knowing we can't save the world ourselves, I think we should set-up routes to help these people first and foremost". Fair? Probably not - but we're not even doing that, and have for all intents and purposes have given up fixing the crisis at source by navel gazing and shouting about Brexit, refugees, train drivers, "woke", etc...

That is our crisis in this, I think.

I think trying to lessen the full scale of the problem by saying it isn't a crisis is demeaning it and the lives lost in the journey - not that I think you're intentionally doing that.

No I am not saying that and I am not demeaning the loss of life. Of course it is a problem but for me it is sortable and the tools are there if the Gov chose to use them. If it can be described as a crisis it is a deliberately made one by this Gov. At an individual level of course it is a crisis for the poor sods drowning in the channel. However in the scale of things facing this country it is not in the top 10 of real crises to be managed. The so called crisis in the channel is a result of inept management by this current Gov and I would argue created almost deliberately in order to provide a vehicle for their racist views such as the Stop the Boats slogan. They need an enemy and it is unfortunately the poor sods trying to make their way here via the boats that they are using. If we took some of the steps I outlined earlier and in particular a serious attempt to get at the trafficking gangs then we could greatly reduce the boats and thee deaths. The problem is the Tories are running out of enemies - they can't attack the EU as they need them to sort out the NIP and as a consequence the GFA and to get on Biden and US good side. The reality of Brexit is hitting hard so they can't use that as a 'good thing'. The safe economic hands of the Tories, actually a complete fallacy, has crumbled to dust to that is a non runner. Ukraine is tainted by the Blonde Bumblecunt and as soon as they mention that they know the fat slug will pop up again to take the credit. All that is left is attack the foreigners, in this case the boat people. Therefore they can't solve the problem, in fact they need to make it worse, which is exactly what this new bill is designed to do. As it stutters to a full stop in the HoL, the courts and in the face of international law they will use this to attack woke snowflakes, unpatriotic lefties, do gooder lawyers and judges, etc. It is so feckin obvious! It is the dying embers of a total shithouse of a Gov increasingly full of right wing racist twats willing to do whatever is required to cling onto power.

[Tichtheid]

The pull factors aren't being addressed either, it seems likely the UK has a large black market economy. There is a category of person that comes to the UK with the intention or working illegally in the black market (abusing a tourist or student visa), fully intending to use whatever process to extend their stay once discovered (asylum system etc), but also intending to return to their home country, like an unofficial prolonged working holiday. A British Indian explained to me how multiple cousins had done this.

I spent a few years working as a visa consultant, helping Turks who wanted to settle/work in the UK. There is definitely some abuse of the tourist visa system to work illegally, which of course the UK tries to prevent by placing absurd restrictions on the granting of tourist visas rather than dealing with the illegal working.

Turks like the UK as a destination because it's also relatively easy to get permanent residency/citizenship. Basically if you manage to fudge your way around the system for 5 years, which is doable if you pay a professional, you are sorted and have an extremely valuable status.

According to Statistica "There were approximately 48 thousand Turkish nationals residing in the United Kingdom in 2021, an increase from the 44 thousand Turkish nationals residing in the United Kingdom in 2008."
So an increase of four thousand over a thirteen year period.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/125 ... d-kingdom/


From the Shengen Visa site
"A total of 20,802 asylum applications from Turkish nationals were received by authorities in Germany in the first 11 months of 2022, marking a significant increase compared to 7,873 applications filed under the same purpose during the same period in 2021."

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/g ... ed-by-216/


I think I'm right in saying tha the UK is 18th compared to the countries of the EU in accepting asylum seekers. 75% of asylum seeks who come to the UK are granted that status after processing - these numbers are from Marina Purkiss and I haven't checked them.

[Slick]

Guessing they don't employ Comms professionals in No. 10 any more.

The comms professionals are employed for incendiary copy. Realistically, nobody in the UK actually knows how many boats come into the UK per day/week/month/year. The crisis is entirely manufactured by the press and right wing politicians. And the logical end point is the trap they've got caught in over an issue they've turned highly toxic and can't control.

It's hard to say it is entirely manufactured - not being able to control a border and leaving vulnerable people at the mercy of predatory gangs operating overseas is a crisis in of itself

Build the Wall

Is our government really being inspired by Trump. Jesus.

I just don't get why we haven't been going hard as fuck against the gangs fuelling much of this, absolute scum on earth. Surely between the UK and France we can patrol a coast and stop it happening. Save lives, stop the gangs, deter people from doing it. I just can't imagine that it is very much more expensive than housing people in hotels, extra staff, flights to Africa, bribes to African governments etc etc.

I don't know if it should, but the fact this is 2nd generation immigrants, who's parents presumably emigrated for a better life, that are leading on this really bothers me.

[Sandstorm]

The issue is the location of the Sangatte refugee camp, right on the edge of the channel. Piss-easy for the gangs to recruit boat passengers.

It should be closed permanently and a new camp(s) set up where the refugees actually arrive in France - Marseilles, Pau or Strasbourg.
Then France and UK could negotiate refugee status properly.

[tabascoboy]

Sunak's habitual non-answering redux...

[TheNatalShark]

I think trying to lessen the full scale of the problem by saying it isn't a crisis is demeaning it and the lives lost in the journey - not that I think you're intentionally doing that.

No I am not saying that and I am not demeaning the loss of life. Of course it is a problem but for me it is sortable and the tools are there if the Gov chose to use them. If it can be described as a crisis it is a deliberately made one by this Gov. At an individual level of course it is a crisis for the poor sods drowning in the channel. However in the scale of things facing this country it is not in the top 10 of real crises to be managed. The so called crisis in the channel is a result of inept management by this current Gov and I would argue created almost deliberately in order to provide a vehicle for their racist views such as the Stop the Boats slogan.

Okay now I do think you are minimising the problem intentionally, self created or not, just to have another angle to go at the clowns. If we frequently had dozens of UK citizens dying in the channel for a manageable problem, it would definitely be in the "top 10" crisis to be addressed for UK public - especially because it could be and the clowns are doing fuck all about it, vs other issues contributing to deaths in larger numbers requiring more effort.

[Biffer]

18,000 denied asylum last year.

21 returned.

This is about government incompetence, not the numbers coming here.

[_Os_]

Err, Sangatte refugee camp has not existed for decades, and was setup by NGOs where the migrants were, it was the first and only official camp. The Jungle also no longer exists (which is what I think SS meant), Channel 4 News had a segment on it this week, it's just vacant ground, again it appeared where the migrants were.

It's straight onto a truck or small boat these days.

People moving around is as old as people existing at all, people move to where they think it'll be better for them. The only real choice is a formalised legal system that's funded and works, or total chaos. "Build a wall" style options just lead to the total chaos outcome.

[_Os_]

18,000 denied asylum last year.

21 returned.

This is about government incompetence, not the numbers coming here.

And by further criminalising "illegal immigration" it basically creates new categories of "illegal asylum seeker" and "illegal trafficked sex slave", it incentivises more people to remain outside the system in the black market. Because if they come forward they will have to prove that they arrived in the UK "legally".

A few decades of that will end in chaos and mass amnesty to try and get some control.

[I like neeps]

The comms professionals are employed for incendiary copy. Realistically, nobody in the UK actually knows how many boats come into the UK per day/week/month/year. The crisis is entirely manufactured by the press and right wing politicians. And the logical end point is the trap they've got caught in over an issue they've turned highly toxic and can't control.

It's hard to say it is entirely manufactured - not being able to control a border and leaving vulnerable people at the mercy of predatory gangs operating overseas is a crisis in of itself

Build the Wall

Is our government really being inspired by Trump. Jesus.

I just don't get why we haven't been going hard as fuck against the gangs fuelling much of this, absolute scum on earth. Surely between the UK and France we can patrol a coast and stop it happening. Save lives, stop the gangs, deter people from doing it. I just can't imagine that it is very much more expensive than housing people in hotels, extra staff, flights to Africa, bribes to African governments etc etc.

I don't know if it should, but the fact this is 2nd generation immigrants, who's parents presumably emigrated for a better life, that are leading on this really bothers me.

Not sure it is gangs fueling it rather than just profiteering from it and even then not sure of their prevalence. Not really sure how organised the crime is in providing a make pretty ramshackle boat for cash especially as you don't care at all if the person lives or dies or plan of using them on the other side. Presumably quite a low touch crime. If the gangs were all arrested tomorrow the problem would persist you'd think. It's a global issue.

Also, cooperating on this must be a nightmare for governments. None of the government's across the Middle East (who have the most migrants), Turkeyb(second most), Southern Med (third most) and Northern Europe (who have the fewest) have any strategy except fewer migrants and want to blame each other so keep them in that country.

I think the answer to why it's some second gen immigrants is that generally people prefer to think that they are special rather than lucky. And also it's great advancement in today's conservative party.

[fishfoodie]

It's all just a canard.

The reason people increasingly reach for the facist tag is that this is page one of the handbook; "create an enemy !".

Now you can look forward to refugees being blamed for everything from food banks, falling down hospitals, wait times for Ambulances, shortage of school places, etc, etc on refugees; because that's much better than blaming it on a lack of investment for the last decade & more.

[Biffer]

It's all just a canard.

The reason people increasingly reach for the facist tag is that this is page one of the handbook; "create an enemy !".

Now you can look forward to refugees being blamed for everything from food banks, falling down hospitals, wait times for Ambulances, shortage of school places, etc, etc on refugees; because that's much better than blaming it on a lack of investment for the last decade & more.

They're already being blamed for all of that on social media.

[fishfoodie]

It's all just a canard.

The reason people increasingly reach for the facist tag is that this is page one of the handbook; "create an enemy !".

Now you can look forward to refugees being blamed for everything from food banks, falling down hospitals, wait times for Ambulances, shortage of school places, etc, etc on refugees; because that's much better than blaming it on a lack of investment for the last decade & more.

They're already being blamed for all of that on social media.

Yeah, & you can be sure the people echoing this are exactly who the Tories want to believe this is the problem, & that only they can deliver a change. But meanwhile, they're happiest if nothing changes, because this gives them cover right up to the GE, blaming everything on the refugees.

The worst thing that could happen would be if the boats stopped, as that would remove the last figleaf of an excuse, but there's little chance of that while no-one is adding CS, & Judges & Courts & actually trying to solve the issues, instead of just passing legislation, & trolling the rest of the civilized world.

[Slick]

It's hard to say it is entirely manufactured - not being able to control a border and leaving vulnerable people at the mercy of predatory gangs operating overseas is a crisis in of itself

Build the Wall

Is our government really being inspired by Trump. Jesus.

I just don't get why we haven't been going hard as fuck against the gangs fuelling much of this, absolute scum on earth. Surely between the UK and France we can patrol a coast and stop it happening. Save lives, stop the gangs, deter people from doing it. I just can't imagine that it is very much more expensive than housing people in hotels, extra staff, flights to Africa, bribes to African governments etc etc.

I don't know if it should, but the fact this is 2nd generation immigrants, who's parents presumably emigrated for a better life, that are leading on this really bothers me.

Not sure it is gangs fueling it rather than just profiteering from it and even then not sure of their prevalence. Not really sure how organised the crime is in providing a make pretty ramshackle boat for cash especially as you don't care at all if the person lives or dies or plan of using them on the other side. Presumably quite a low touch crime. If the gangs were all arrested tomorrow the problem would persist you'd think. It's a global issue.

Also, cooperating on this must be a nightmare for governments. None of the government's across the Middle East (who have the most migrants), Turkeyb(second most), Southern Med (third most) and Northern Europe (who have the fewest) have any strategy except fewer migrants and want to blame each other so keep them in that country.

I think the answer to why it's some second gen immigrants is that generally people prefer to think that they are special rather than lucky. And also it's great advancement in today's conservative party.

I'm no expert in this but I'm pretty sure that the guys shoving people on boats, and in some cases even sailing them themselves, are the last guys in a long and very organised crime? Take away that final piece and a lot of the chain collapses. Not all, of course, but a major part in the UK's case.

[Brazil]

Err, Sangatte refugee camp has not existed for decades, and was setup by NGOs where the migrants were, it was the first and only official camp. The Jungle also no longer exists (which is what I think SS meant), Channel 4 News had a segment on it this week, it's just vacant ground, again it appeared where the migrants were.

It's straight onto a truck or small boat these days.

People moving around is as old as people existing at all, people move to where they think it'll be better for them. The only real choice is a formalised legal system that's funded and works, or total chaos. "Build a wall" style options just lead to the total chaos outcome.

And this is at the root of the problem - nobody wants to reach an agreement that will see brown people entering their countries as a matter of course. That's why you end up with the ludicrous situation in the central Mediterranean where Malta won't admit to anything, the Italians have to ignore their Government, and seafarers get publicly bollocked for taking people back to Libya in accordance with international requirements. Northern Europe is very much at fault at this as racist policies get votes (the Danes, for all their hygge shtick are absolute cunts for it), and the problem is far away so, frankly, let Southern Italy deal with it and lets all sit smugly watching Borgen, or whatever.

The Channel migrants issue is relatively small beer and could be easily resolved, but there's little chance of that whilst the Brexitories are in power. Xenophobia has been their watchword since brexit and, that achieved, they have to keep punching at foreigners to maintain their position. So we're rid of the Poles, now it's the afghans, syrians, etc that are coming to take your job in Lincolnshire, and we can't agree anything effective to control what is in reality a trickle of a problem because it would involve conceding some degree of sovereignty to the body we just "won" it back from. Meanwhile, people die in one of the most horrible ways trying to get to a better life, and Suella Braverman stands at the dispatch box gurning her halfwitted way through prepared lines about what the British People want, like some tanned Irma Grese. And what her, Sunak, Patel, and all the rest of these crypto fascist bastards don't realise is exactly what the people they're courting are really like, and what they'd do to them, money, title, status or not.

[tabascoboy]

[SaintK]

So from being part of a "left wing activisit blob" yesterday to " a credit to the department" today. What a vile piece of shit she is.

[SaintK]

Not in my back yard matey!

The foreign secretary has criticised plans to house asylum seekers at an RAF base in his constituency as part of a controversial scheme announced on Tuesday to detain and deport people en masse.
The Guardian first reported several days ago that people in north Essex were urging ministers to abandon plans to accommodate 1,500 male asylum seekers at a former RAF base on their doorstep. The Home Office declined to comment on whether the plans were to use the site as a detention centre or as an accommodation centre.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics ... raintree

[Lobby]

Not in my back yard matey!

The foreign secretary has criticised plans to house asylum seekers at an RAF base in his constituency as part of a controversial scheme announced on Tuesday to detain and deport people en masse.
The Guardian first reported several days ago that people in north Essex were urging ministers to abandon plans to accommodate 1,500 male asylum seekers at a former RAF base on their doorstep. The Home Office declined to comment on whether the plans were to use the site as a detention centre or as an accommodation centre.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics ... raintree

I expect Obergruppenführer Braverman has other ideas for the camp

[Insane_Homer]

Braverman popped up in the news before I could change the channel, but I did manage a 'fuck off you cunt' while reaching for the remote.

[Slick]

Braverman popped up in the news before I could change the channel, but I did manage a 'fuck off you cunt' while reaching for the remote.

Genuinely just did exactly the same, to the surprise of my wife

[robmatic]

So from being part of a "left wing activisit blob" yesterday to " a credit to the department" today. What a vile piece of shit she is.

It's a disgrace that she has a major office of state.

[dpedin]

So from being part of a "left wing activisit blob" yesterday to " a credit to the department" today. What a vile piece of shit she is.

It's a disgrace that she has a major office of state.

The irony of all of this! So there must be a 'right wing, anti civil service, facist blob' on the heart of the Tory Party/CCHQ then if someone wrote this and someone else authorised this? They must be the ones holding this Gov back from implementing their policies?

[GogLais]

So from being part of a "left wing activisit blob" yesterday to " a credit to the department" today. What a vile piece of shit she is.

It's a disgrace that she has a major office of state.

I lost whatever respect I had for Sunak when he reappointed her as Home Secretary.

[tabascoboy]

It wasn't me! I didn't do it! So then she just lets others at Tory HQ use her account and in her name without any oversight? Whether she actually personally sent it or not, sounds like a clear breach of the code...

[dpedin]

It wasn't me! I didn't do it! So then she just lets others at Tory HQ use her account and in her name without any oversight? Whether she actually personally sent it or not, sounds like a clear breach of the code...

Agreed although I think that ship sailed a long time ago! I honestly didnt think we could get any worse that Nazity Patel but Cruella is doing well - its a bit like comparing turds and asking which one smells the worst!

[Slick]

He let her off very lightly there

[SaintK]

Why don't they just knock it on the head or just build the northern sections.
All this money and environmental damage to get from Birmingham to London 7 minutes quicker!!!

The government is set to announce that construction of certain sections of HS2 will be delayed in an attempt to cut costs, the BBC understands.
It is thought the delay will primarily affect sections from Manchester to Crewe and Birmingham to Crewe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64901985

[Paddington Bear]

Why don't they just knock it on the head or just build the northern sections.
All this money and environmental damage to get from Birmingham to London 7 minutes quicker!!!

The government is set to announce that construction of certain sections of HS2 will be delayed in an attempt to cut costs, the BBC understands.
It is thought the delay will primarily affect sections from Manchester to Crewe and Birmingham to Crewe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64901985

Because they're well into the jobs at Euston and the tunnelling has reached Amersham from the M25. These delays are the farcical part - build it and let it recoup costs faster.

[inactionman]

Braverman popped up in the news before I could change the channel, but I did manage a 'fuck off you cunt' while reaching for the remote.

Apparently she complained about being personally offended by Gary Lineker's choice of language as her husband is Jewish.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... ics-latest

That's one way to deflect, I suppose, but perhaps easier just not have horrific, heartless policies in the first instance. Then parallels need not be drawn.

[SaintK]

Why don't they just knock it on the head or just build the northern sections.
All this money and environmental damage to get from Birmingham to London 7 minutes quicker!!!

The government is set to announce that construction of certain sections of HS2 will be delayed in an attempt to cut costs, the BBC understands.
It is thought the delay will primarily affect sections from Manchester to Crewe and Birmingham to Crewe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64901985

Because they're well into the jobs at Euston and the tunnelling has reached Amersham from the M25. These delays are the farcical part - build it and let it recoup costs faster.

They're now going to stop it at Old Oak Common and postpone it through to Euston. So Birmingham to North Acton not Central London so it won't be any quicker!!!

It says that the line between Birmingham and Crewe will be delayed for two years, and that there will be a delay in extending the line to Euston station. Initially the London service will stop at Old Oak Common.

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It says that the line between Birmingham and Crewe will be delayed for two years, and that there will be a delay in extending the line to Euston station. Initially the London service will stop at Old Oak Common.

What a shock; after the next GE

So in other words it might not be restarted for 6-7 years.