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Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:08 pm
SaintK wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:57 am Why don't they just knock it on the head or just build the northern sections.
All this money and environmental damage to get from Birmingham to London 7 minutes quicker!!!
The government is set to announce that construction of certain sections of HS2 will be delayed in an attempt to cut costs, the BBC understands.
It is thought the delay will primarily affect sections from Manchester to Crewe and Birmingham to Crewe.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64901985
Because they're well into the jobs at Euston and the tunnelling has reached Amersham from the M25. These delays are the farcical part - build it and let it recoup costs faster.
Agreed. The 7 minutes quicker thing always annoys me as it misses the point about freeing up capacity.
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petej wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:25 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:08 pm
SaintK wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:57 am Why don't they just knock it on the head or just build the northern sections.
All this money and environmental damage to get from Birmingham to London 7 minutes quicker!!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64901985
Because they're well into the jobs at Euston and the tunnelling has reached Amersham from the M25. These delays are the farcical part - build it and let it recoup costs faster.
Agreed. The 7 minutes quicker thing always annoys me as it misses the point about freeing up capacity.
Fair point!
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Slick wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:04 am He let her off very lightly there
He always does. He pitches the softballs and they hit the runs. The essence of that interview was;
Preston asks question
Braverman doesn’t answer question
Preston: thank you, right lets move on.

Even the Beeb ditched him. He really is a useless parody.
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
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Their meeting will be fairly important. How much money are we going to be paying France, or what concessions of our fishing stocks, and what do we get, and even how much of what we get will be limited to small boats rather than anything progressive?
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Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:22 am Their meeting will be fairly important. How much money are we going to be paying France, or what concessions of our fishing stocks, and what do we get, and even how much of what we get will be limited to small boats rather than anything progressive?
Well they should get at least as much as Rwanda, or maybe they should use whatever bullshit figures the Tories claim they spend on processing & housing refugees.
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Whatever comes out in advance it looks much more serious political engagement than the demented theatre we got from Cruella earlier this week.
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PCPhil wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:49 am
Slick wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:04 am He let her off very lightly there
He always does. He pitches the softballs and they hit the runs. The essence of that interview was;
Preston asks question
Braverman doesn’t answer question
Preston: thank you, right lets move on.

Even the Beeb ditched him. He really is a useless parody.
Peston is incredibly overrated - riding being the BBCs economics correspondent in 2008 but very little substance.
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SaintK wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:49 pm
petej wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:25 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:08 pm

Because they're well into the jobs at Euston and the tunnelling has reached Amersham from the M25. These delays are the farcical part - build it and let it recoup costs faster.
Agreed. The 7 minutes quicker thing always annoys me as it misses the point about freeing up capacity.
Fair point!
Saw someone on Twitter saying they needed to call it High Capacity 2.

I kind of red pilled on housing and infrastructure these days - I want them to build it right through the house of every fucking NIMBY.
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Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:22 am Their meeting will be fairly important. How much money are we going to be paying France, or what concessions of our fishing stocks, and what do we get, and even how much of what we get will be limited to small boats rather than anything progressive?
Another £230m on top of the £300m we've already paid since 2014..........whilst the number trying to cross the channel have increased year on year!!!
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tc27 wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:59 am
SaintK wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:49 pm
petej wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:25 pm
Agreed. The 7 minutes quicker thing always annoys me as it misses the point about freeing up capacity.
Fair point!
Saw someone on Twitter saying they needed to call it High Capacity 2.

I kind of red pilled on housing and infrastructure these days - I want them to build it right through the house of every fucking NIMBY.
Re-brand the Lib Dems as the Not NIMBY Party and I'll vote for them!
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SaintK wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:59 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:22 am Their meeting will be fairly important. How much money are we going to be paying France, or what concessions of our fishing stocks, and what do we get, and even how much of what we get will be limited to small boats rather than anything progressive?
Another £230m on top of the £300m we've already paid since 2014..........whilst the number trying to cross the channel have increased year on year!!!
Are we paying the French by results? It was blindingly obvious that post-Brexit the French would be taking a relaxed view about Channel crossings.
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GogLais wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:10 pm
SaintK wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:59 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:22 am Their meeting will be fairly important. How much money are we going to be paying France, or what concessions of our fishing stocks, and what do we get, and even how much of what we get will be limited to small boats rather than anything progressive?
Another £230m on top of the £300m we've already paid since 2014..........whilst the number trying to cross the channel have increased year on year!!!
Are we paying the French by results? It was blindingly obvious that post-Brexit the French would be taking a relaxed view about Channel crossings.
Why would they accept those terms?
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Biffer wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:15 pm
GogLais wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:10 pm
SaintK wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:59 pm
Another £230m on top of the £300m we've already paid since 2014..........whilst the number trying to cross the channel have increased year on year!!!
Are we paying the French by results? It was blindingly obvious that post-Brexit the French would be taking a relaxed view about Channel crossings.
Why would they accept those terms?
Do you mean paying by results? Why indeed.
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GogLais wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:10 pm
SaintK wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:59 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:22 am Their meeting will be fairly important. How much money are we going to be paying France, or what concessions of our fishing stocks, and what do we get, and even how much of what we get will be limited to small boats rather than anything progressive?
Another £230m on top of the £300m we've already paid since 2014..........whilst the number trying to cross the channel have increased year on year!!!
Are we paying the French by results? It was blindingly obvious that post-Brexit the French would be taking a relaxed view about Channel crossings.
A relaxed view would be letting them on the ferries...
I think you underestimate the various maffias at work near calais.
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Sandstorm wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:05 pm
tc27 wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:59 am
SaintK wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:49 pm
Fair point!
Saw someone on Twitter saying they needed to call it High Capacity 2.

I kind of red pilled on housing and infrastructure these days - I want them to build it right through the house of every fucking NIMBY.
Re-brand the Lib Dems as the Not NIMBY Party and I'll vote for them!
The challenge is that you name a development and the local Lib Dems oppose it
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GogLais wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:18 pm
Biffer wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:15 pm
GogLais wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:10 pm

Are we paying the French by results? It was blindingly obvious that post-Brexit the French would be taking a relaxed view about Channel crossings.
Why would they accept those terms?
Do you mean paying by results? Why indeed.
Yeah, it's the very opposite of the 'we hold all the cards' bullshit that the brexit gang pushed.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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laurent wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:19 pm
GogLais wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:10 pm
SaintK wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:59 pm
Another £230m on top of the £300m we've already paid since 2014..........whilst the number trying to cross the channel have increased year on year!!!
Are we paying the French by results? It was blindingly obvious that post-Brexit the French would be taking a relaxed view about Channel crossings.
A relaxed view would be letting them on the ferries...
I think you underestimate the various maffias at work near calais.
I’m sure there are many factors involved. It wasn’t a dig at the French by the way.
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laurent wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:19 pm

A relaxed view would be letting them on the ferries...
I think you underestimate the various maffias at work near calais.
3.5 million refugees in Turkey. if they and the EU wanted to have some fun at the UK's expense in all this it would be laughably easy.

luckily we hold all the cards, and I'm sure the Tories weren't wrong about that, and weren't lying either.
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Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:22 am Their meeting will be fairly important. How much money are we going to be paying France, or what concessions of our fishing stocks, and what do we get, and even how much of what we get will be limited to small boats rather than anything progressive?
Fishing is an EU, not national competency.
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Camroc2 wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:16 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:22 am Their meeting will be fairly important. How much money are we going to be paying France, or what concessions of our fishing stocks, and what do we get, and even how much of what we get will be limited to small boats rather than anything progressive?
Fishing is an EU, not national competency.
All your fish are belong to us :razz:
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What’s happened re Northern Ireland? Perhaps I’ve missed something while away in the sunny Canaries but as far as I’m aware the DUP are still thinking about it.
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GogLais wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:32 pm What’s happened re Northern Ireland? Perhaps I’ve missed something while away in the sunny Canaries but as far as I’m aware the DUP are still thinking about it.
You see there's your problem !

The DUP are also going to have to do some fast talking to explain to the very important Tourist Industry in NI, as to just how the fuck the new UK ETA they voted for isn't going to totally fuck the sector !

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-64891156
Meanwhile, representatives of the tourist industry say they are dismayed that the exemption has not been extended to international visitors who arrive into Dublin and then plan to travel to Northern Ireland.

In January, the Tourism Ireland chief executive told BBC News NI that tour operators could cut Northern Ireland from their itineraries to avoid any potential complications with the ETA.

Joanne Stuart, chief executive of NI Tourism Alliance (NITA) said: "Despite extensive discussions between NITA and the Home Office, we are dismayed that the Government has refused to adapt the ETA scheme to reflect Northern Ireland's unique position as the only part of the UK with a land border.

"With over 70% of our visitors arriving via Dublin it is clear that the bureaucracy and potential costs involved in obtaining an ETA will lead to overseas visitors dropping Northern Ireland from their travel plans. This puts 25% of all tourism spend in Northern Ireland at risk."
Listening to a rep from the NI Tourism agency, & they're horrified, & the details are sketchy to say the least, but expecting tourists to pay an unspecified amount, wait three days*, before they travel up to, or even just through NI is fantasy stuff.

It's also supposed to be a digital system, & we all know how well Government IT projects go. :roll:


* Yeah, right !
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Damn BBC lefty woke bias again


BBC will not broadcast Attenborough episode over fear of rightwing backlash
Exclusive: Decision to make episode about natural destruction available only on iPlayer angers programme-makers

The BBC has decided not to broadcast an episode of David Attenborough’s flagship new series on British wildlife because of fears its themes of the destruction of nature would risk a backlash from Tory politicians and the rightwing press, the Guardian has been told.

The decision has angered the programme-makers and some insiders at the BBC, who fear the corporation has bowed to pressure from lobbying groups with “dinosaurian ways”.

The revelation about Attenborough’s programme comes at the end of a week in which another broadcaster, Gary Lineker, has been condemned by Conservative ministers for his criticism of the government’s immigration bill.
BBC will not broadcast Attenborough episode over fear of rightwing backlash
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tabascoboy wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:37 pm Damn BBC lefty woke bias again


BBC will not broadcast Attenborough episode over fear of rightwing backlash
Exclusive: Decision to make episode about natural destruction available only on iPlayer angers programme-makers

The BBC has decided not to broadcast an episode of David Attenborough’s flagship new series on British wildlife because of fears its themes of the destruction of nature would risk a backlash from Tory politicians and the rightwing press, the Guardian has been told.

The decision has angered the programme-makers and some insiders at the BBC, who fear the corporation has bowed to pressure from lobbying groups with “dinosaurian ways”.

The revelation about Attenborough’s programme comes at the end of a week in which another broadcaster, Gary Lineker, has been condemned by Conservative ministers for his criticism of the government’s immigration bill.
BBC will not broadcast Attenborough episode over fear of rightwing backlash
And they've cancelled Gary Lineker now.

Client media.
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laurent wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:19 pm
Camroc2 wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:16 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:22 am Their meeting will be fairly important. How much money are we going to be paying France, or what concessions of our fishing stocks, and what do we get, and even how much of what we get will be limited to small boats rather than anything progressive?
Fishing is an EU, not national competency.
All your fish are belong to us :razz:
Only the happy ones!
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Camroc2 wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:16 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:22 am Their meeting will be fairly important. How much money are we going to be paying France, or what concessions of our fishing stocks, and what do we get, and even how much of what we get will be limited to small boats rather than anything progressive?
Fishing is an EU, not national competency.
That's not going to stop France wanting to talk about and gain concessions
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Alistair Campbell is a tool, however he’s just roasted the BBC and especially the Chairman on their 5pm news over Lineker being suspended.

Ian Wright has also pulled out of MOTD tomorrow in solidarity.
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Sandstorm wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:42 pm Alistair Campbell is a tool, however he’s just roasted the BBC and especially the Chairman on their 5pm news over Lineker being suspended.

Ian Wright has also pulled out of MOTD tomorrow in solidarity.
Listened to him and thought he was going to burst a blood vessel! However like him or loath him he was spot on with his comments and the double standards displayed by the BBC. Brilliant stuff and I got the impression that the R5 presenter enjoyed his roasting of the BBC and wasn't going to interrupt. Ian Wright is a guy I like.
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As a wag put it on Twitter, that'll teach the BBC to employ strikers.

What a craven bunch - they've also decided against broadcasting the final episode of the new Attenborough series
on air for fear of engaging the usual right wing cunts. It talks about habitat destruction and climate change. "But you can see it on iplayer".
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dpedin wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:55 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:42 pm Alistair Campbell is a tool, however he’s just roasted the BBC and especially the Chairman on their 5pm news over Lineker being suspended.

Ian Wright has also pulled out of MOTD tomorrow in solidarity.
Listened to him and thought he was going to burst a blood vessel! However like him or loath him he was spot on with his comments and the double standards displayed by the BBC. Brilliant stuff and I got the impression that the R5 presenter enjoyed his roasting of the BBC and wasn't going to interrupt. Ian Wright is a guy I like.
I saw someone point out that the Beeb had no problems with this tweet ?



funny that ...
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Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:02 pm As a wag put it on Twitter, that'll teach the BBC to employ strikers.

What a craven bunch - they've also decided against broadcasting the final episode of the new Attenborough series
on air for fear of engaging the usual right wing cunts. It talks about habitat destruction and climate change. "But you can see it on iplayer".
I guess after the Paul Whitehouse poo rivers documentary the Attenborough documentary might upset the probably older demographic who still watch stuff live (not on iplayer). I did note on poo rivers they never mentioned the ownership structure in Scotland or that of dŵr cymru.
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GogLais wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:32 pm What’s happened re Northern Ireland? Perhaps I’ve missed something while away in the sunny Canaries but as far as I’m aware the DUP are still thinking about it.
They’re thinking how they can say,” No, No, No”
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
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Alan Shearer has withdrawn his labour as well.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 7:42 pm Alan Shearer has withdrawn his labour as well.
And Alex Scott.

If anyone does agree to host they're going to want a public statement from Lineker he's cool with them doing so, at minimum along the lines of he doesn't want a story about him to overshadow the football, but even that would be scant cover
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Jermaine Jenas will do it, no doubt.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:09 pm Jermaine Jenas will do it, no doubt.
Fair fucks, he's said no.
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Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 7:48 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 7:42 pm Alan Shearer has withdrawn his labour as well.
And Alex Scott.

If anyone does agree to host they're going to want a public statement from Lineker he's cool with them doing so, at minimum along the lines of he doesn't want a story about him to overshadow the football, but even that would be scant cover
Football media is a tough gig to get recognition, I'm sure they'll get some C-listers.

They should bring Le Tissier involved. He's of the right political opinions to do well at the BBC.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:02 pm As a wag put it on Twitter, that'll teach the BBC to employ strikers.

What a craven bunch - they've also decided against broadcasting the final episode of the new Attenborough series
on air for fear of engaging the usual right wing cunts. It talks about habitat destruction and climate change. "But you can see it on iplayer".
Digging into this a little bit, the WWF and RSPB pages about the series describes it as a five part series? They have apparently co-funded the documentary. It does seem unusual though as many of Sir David's recent documentaries have included an episode on our impact on the environment and climate change.
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I like neeps wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:37 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 7:48 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 7:42 pm Alan Shearer has withdrawn his labour as well.
And Alex Scott.

If anyone does agree to host they're going to want a public statement from Lineker he's cool with them doing so, at minimum along the lines of he doesn't want a story about him to overshadow the football, but even that would be scant cover
Football media is a tough gig to get recognition, I'm sure they'll get some C-listers.

They should bring Le Tissier involved. He's of the right political opinions to do well at the BBC.
It doesn't look like they can get anyone to present, & the disgust at the actions of the Beeb has reached as far as the current players.
We have been informed that players involved in today’s games will not be asked to participate in interviews with Match of the Day.

The PFA have been speaking to members who wanted to take a collective position and to be able to show their support for those who have chosen not to be part of tonight’s programme.

During those conversations we made clear that, as their union, we would support all members who might face consequences for choosing not to complete their broadcast commitments.

This is a common sense decision that ensures players won’t now be put in that position.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/live/ ... ff7c2bbafc

The genius running the Beeb might be able to hook people up with 800k bungs, but he knows SFA about PR.

Until Lineker is re-instated; I wouldn't recommend sticking a microphone in front of any player; & the longer the Beeb tries holding out, the worse it'll get
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