Stop voting for fucking Tories

[_Os_]

Just lol.


Though I’d say only BJ might rival that.

A lot of that is just the 2019 manifesto positions compared to later positions. Something that's come from the internet age, and the amount of historic archive material that can be easily accessed, is people now think politicians have to say all the same things forever and never change their mind. But that's not how it works, if you're defeated on a manifesto in one election you can change the manifesto and run again, it is the logical thing to do. There's no rule which says every position must remain cast in iron and never change.

Corbyn really was a guy that just stuck to the same things forever and basically didn't move on from the 1980s. The people that criticise Starmer now, didn't like Corbyn much, and didn't like Miliband much, and didn't like Brown much (hmm ... there's a bit of a theme developing). There's a lot of different flavours of Labour there, some of them easily better than the Starmer flavour ("chaos under Ed Miliband"). All rejected at elections. The unchanging ideologue guy that supported popular policies like nationalisation (which always polls outright majorities) was Corbyn, he didn't do so well, the media demonised him and that ended him.

So what the UK is going to get is Starmer, the New Labour Atlanticist guy, a Tony Blair on steroids. He's going to bang on about immigration, being tough on crime, "making Brexit work" (lol), and basically all the Tory talking points. The crazy right wing media (most of the UK media) won't be able to attack him, because he's saying everything they are, what are they going to say "this fucking guy, he supported Corbyn, but is now as nuts as us because he knows that's how you get elected"? The Tories have fucked everything so badly, this strategy will get Starmer in, just like it got Blair in. It's not about the policies or wooing dumb voters, it's all about preventing the UK's out of control media from being able to attack him.

The Labour ad about the Tories not locking up the paedos , looks like a warning shot to me. Especially how the Labour shadow cabinet defended it. They're going to play the same game the Tories do on the same themes. Wait until they start running the immigration ads stating the Tories have opened the flood gates.

Starmer then changes nothing about how the UK economy is structured, just like Blair didn't and the UK continues to stagnate/decline. Starmer maybe does some constitutional changes because they're cheap, just like Blair did. The same complaints are then made that were made about Blair, by people that got what they voted for.

[petej]

It's not about the policies or wooing dumb voters, it's all about preventing the UK's out of control media from being able to attack him.

Starmer then changes nothing about how the UK economy is structured, just like Blair didn't and the UK continues to stagnate/decline. Starmer maybe does some constitutional changes because they're cheap, just like Blair did. The same complaints are then made that were made about Blair, by people that got what they voted for.

Split out these two comments. The first one is something that frustrates a bit because parts of the media are as weak as they've been in my lifetime but I understand it because of the uk media politics echo chamber.

I'm hoping that more structural change will occur under Starmer than Blair as it is desperately needed. Allowing the private sector to rip off the public and then load the debt onto the public really needs to end particularly with energy and water.

Uk media seems to prevent serious discussions from happening.

[sockwithaticket]

So assuming they work more than forty hours it’s little more than adult minimum wage.

No, that's the salary for 40 hour weeks as per the table. Base salary goes up to 48 hour week and then the enhanced hours. So if you're on 45 hours plus 14 enhanced, you're on 36862, then if you do 1 in 5 weekends you get another £1764

Ok, ta. Still only £3 or £4/hour more than minimum wage then. Fwiw the very small sample of retired medics that Ms GL plays bridge with were unsympathetic on the lines of they get well paid eventually. What proportion of JDs become consultants? Presumably not all.

Yikes, bit of an "I'm alright Jack attitude" and completely ignores that we've been losing a lot of doctors to the rest of the Anglosphere, particularly the lands down under, because they can get better pay, conditions and work-life balance now rather than jam tomorrow.

[_Os_]

It's not about the policies or wooing dumb voters, it's all about preventing the UK's out of control media from being able to attack him.

Starmer then changes nothing about how the UK economy is structured, just like Blair didn't and the UK continues to stagnate/decline. Starmer maybe does some constitutional changes because they're cheap, just like Blair did. The same complaints are then made that were made about Blair, by people that got what they voted for.

Split out these two comments. The first one is something that frustrates a bit because parts of the media are as weak as they've been in my lifetime but I understand it because of the uk media politics echo chamber.

I'm hoping that more structural change will occur under Starmer than Blair as it is desperately needed. Allowing the private sector to rip off the public and then load the debt onto the public really needs to end particularly with energy and water.

Uk media seems to prevent serious discussions from happening.

A lot of the UK media is just oligarch billionaire guys running loss making enterprises to influence public opinion. UK newspaper readership is well down, for the price and what you're getting, it's a shit deal in the age of the internet. But the entire UK media is driven by the newspapers and especially the tabloid frontpages. Big TV news programmes still have a "what the newspapers say" section (the same newspapers with declining circulations, that are loss making, owned by billionaires to project support for extreme right wing/libertarian positions). It's all a bit dumb.

And the reason they go to all this effort, is because they benefit from the status quo. The astroturfing that is the majority of the UK media space, became really obvious with the over the top support for Truss. Who then gave them everything they wanted and blew up the UK economy. Doing it quickly or slowly makes no difference, their position is to impoverish the UK. They want to keep re-implementing Thatcherism, something already tried and done with known results.

Starmer caving to the Sun was a particularly bad sign, the Sun is a loss making paper kept alive by Murdoch as a tool of influence. But that's what you need to do in the UK to get elected.

[Line6 HXFX]

The thing with Starmer is he is no Joe Biden. Biden pulled lefties into his cabinet and promoted them, gavebthem power..Starmer has driven a stake through the left of his party and promoted fucking simpletons, or as Owen Jones puts it "the Gareth Keenans". Untalented Wes Streeting types (who was actually a massive Corbyn Supporter when it suited him).

People who grew up in student politics and hate and resent the left, the poor sick and unemployed more than the tories do.

What you will get with starmer is just nothing, no talent, no drive no urgency, just five years of head scratching, waiting for the rat to hit the button on the quantum time machine.

During the last Labour Givernment the Welsh secretary at the time (it was Peter Hain for like 11 years). was asked constantly about when he was going to do something about all the desperate child poverty and unemployment in the South Wales Valleys ..his answer was always "well the rest of the UK is doing fine".


Gorden Brown was asked this numerous times in Parliament, and his answer was always " "London and and the City are doing fine". He was also a strong advocate of controlling currency (or Milton friedmans "monetarism").

You have to seriously wonder (been wondering this for decades tbh) if we are just a poverty dependent society that needs lots and lots of well behaved, repressed poverty and people in penury and food banks..to keep the pound from being inflated.

That if everyone had a decent standard of living the entire system would crash.

And if so, why even talk about Politics or economics at all, when, as a poverty dependent nation.. they are all playing a completely different game to you, and where theybrefuse to do anything, as doing something (things Corbyn advocated) would trash the pound and their livelihoods and the British penal penury colony, they rely on.

[GogLais]

No, that's the salary for 40 hour weeks as per the table. Base salary goes up to 48 hour week and then the enhanced hours. So if you're on 45 hours plus 14 enhanced, you're on 36862, then if you do 1 in 5 weekends you get another £1764

Ok, ta. Still only £3 or £4/hour more than minimum wage then. Fwiw the very small sample of retired medics that Ms GL plays bridge with were unsympathetic on the lines of they get well paid eventually. What proportion of JDs become consultants? Presumably not all.

Yikes, bit of an "I'm alright Jack attitude" and completely ignores that we've been losing a lot of doctors to the rest of the Anglosphere, particularly the lands down under, because they can get better pay, conditions and work-life balance now rather than jam tomorrow.

Oh I agree. Saying you’ll be minted when you’re 40/50 doesn’t help you buy a house when you’re 30.

[C69]

Ok, ta. Still only £3 or £4/hour more than minimum wage then. Fwiw the very small sample of retired medics that Ms GL plays bridge with were unsympathetic on the lines of they get well paid eventually. What proportion of JDs become consultants? Presumably not all.

Yikes, bit of an "I'm alright Jack attitude" and completely ignores that we've been losing a lot of doctors to the rest of the Anglosphere, particularly the lands down under, because they can get better pay, conditions and work-life balance now rather than jam tomorrow.

Oh I agree. Saying you’ll be minted when you’re 40/50 doesn’t help you buy a house when you’re 30.

Sorry but your narrative that they are poorly paid is way of the mark.

[dpedin]

Ok, ta. Still only £3 or £4/hour more than minimum wage then. Fwiw the very small sample of retired medics that Ms GL plays bridge with were unsympathetic on the lines of they get well paid eventually. What proportion of JDs become consultants? Presumably not all.

Yikes, bit of an "I'm alright Jack attitude" and completely ignores that we've been losing a lot of doctors to the rest of the Anglosphere, particularly the lands down under, because they can get better pay, conditions and work-life balance now rather than jam tomorrow.

Oh I agree. Saying you’ll be minted when you’re 40/50 doesn’t help you buy a house when you’re 30.

Let's not forget huge loans/debt of 5 years at Uni plus costs associated with moving around all the time for placements/short term jobs plus fees for exams etc.

I am not a doc but have a great deal of sympathy for these guys, their real take home salaries have fallen dramatically in the last 10 years. It is also a misnomer to call them Junior Docs, they are highly qualified and highly skilled professionals doing the donkey work in most hospitals. The NHS would fall apart without the 'junior docs' and it is a complete nonsense that they are treated so badly in the early stages of their career, most private organisations carefully nurture this cohort of staff, value them and pay to keep them.

Current Gov policy seems to be to not train enough docs, make them borrow huge sums of money to learn at Uni, pay them a miserable salary when being trained, expect them to work all the hours and treat them like shit when at work - all on a promise of a Consultant job (consultants are also threatening to strike over pay!) One of the first 'EU laws' they want to get rid of is the EWTD so expect junior docs to be back to working 100+ hours over 7 nights in a row type of shifts, regardless of the damage they do to themselves and the patients!

[dpedin]

Yikes, bit of an "I'm alright Jack attitude" and completely ignores that we've been losing a lot of doctors to the rest of the Anglosphere, particularly the lands down under, because they can get better pay, conditions and work-life balance now rather than jam tomorrow.

Oh I agree. Saying you’ll be minted when you’re 40/50 doesn’t help you buy a house when you’re 30.

Sorry but your narrative that they are poorly paid is way of the mark.

Pay is a relative issue, poorly paid is also dependant upon who you compare them with and how much you value their skill set.

We compete for the medical workforce in a worldwide market - over 30% of docs are non-UK - and compared to similar countries (or the anglosphere as put nicely above) our junior docs are paid very poorly and are treated badly in the main. Gone are the days when we could fill medical vacancies from the asian sub continent, the best ones now look to the US, Australia, NZ, etc. Our Junior Docs are also leaving mid training to go to the likes of Australia and NZ where they get paid more and have a better work life balance. We compete in a world wide market now and sadly we are becoming increasingly non competitive for the brightest and the best.

They are also paid poorly when compared to similar levels of professional jobs in many sectors of the UK. Both my kids earn much more than a junior doc of the same age and qualification level and get any number of fringe benefits from their large multinational employers - staff discounts, gym memberships, flexible working, generous holidays, creche facilities, etc. Unlike the NHS both their employers are desperate to hold on to good young employees who they have invested in.

[GogLais]

Yikes, bit of an "I'm alright Jack attitude" and completely ignores that we've been losing a lot of doctors to the rest of the Anglosphere, particularly the lands down under, because they can get better pay, conditions and work-life balance now rather than jam tomorrow.

Oh I agree. Saying you’ll be minted when you’re 40/50 doesn’t help you buy a house when you’re 30.

Sorry but your narrative that they are poorly paid is way of the mark.

Perception rather than narrative.

[GogLais]

My perception is based on the fact I saw somewhere (yes ok, not a verifiable source!) that the average salary for a JD is about £40k. If there’s a more accurate figure out there for salary and hours worked then great.
I was earning that as an average QS in a small practice about fifteen years ago.

[C69]

My perception is based on the fact I saw somewhere (yes ok, not a verifiable source!) that the average salary for a JD is about £40k. If there’s a more accurate figure out there for salary and hours worked then great.
I was earning that as an average QS in a small practice about fifteen years ago.

Feel free to post the info. However that's going o the wages for the first couple of years
Tbh for the first 3 years or so JDs are little more than glorified scribes and phebotomists.

[Line6 HXFX]

My perception is based on the fact I saw somewhere (yes ok, not a verifiable source!) that the average salary for a JD is about £40k. If there’s a more accurate figure out there for salary and hours worked then great.
I was earning that as an average QS in a small practice about fifteen years ago.

Feel free to post the info. However that's going o the wages for the first couple of years
Tbh for the first 3 years or so JDs are little more than glorified scribes and phebotomists.

....who are over worked, stressed to fickery, and yet still legally accountable, and must achievebthe exact same standard of care as senior doctors..so can fuck up and kill people, end up in court with their careers trashed...for 17 quid an hour.

Nurses could too btw.

Isn't the 35% just what has been taken off them over the last 13 years?

[C69]

My perception is based on the fact I saw somewhere (yes ok, not a verifiable source!) that the average salary for a JD is about £40k. If there’s a more accurate figure out there for salary and hours worked then great.
I was earning that as an average QS in a small practice about fifteen years ago.

Feel free to post the info. However that's going o the wages for the first couple of years
Tbh for the first 3 years or so JDs are little more than glorified scribes and phebotomists.

....who are over worked, stressed to fickery, and yet still legally accountable, and must achievebthe exact same standard of care as senior doctors..so can fuck up and kill people, end up in court with their careers trashed...for 17 quid an hour.

Nurses could too btw.

Isn't the 35% just what has been taken off them over the last 13 years?

Re standard of care the Bolam test/principles apply.
And I know from personal bitter experience how much NHS staff pay has stagnated and agree that all clinical staff deserve an uplift
Not so managers imho

[GogLais]

My perception is based on the fact I saw somewhere (yes ok, not a verifiable source!) that the average salary for a JD is about £40k. If there’s a more accurate figure out there for salary and hours worked then great.
I was earning that as an average QS in a small practice about fifteen years ago.

Feel free to post the info. However that's going o the wages for the first couple of years
Tbh for the first 3 years or so JDs are little more than glorified scribes and phebotomists.

Well as I say “I saw it somewhere”. If it’s wrong it’s wrong.

[C69]

My perception is based on the fact I saw somewhere (yes ok, not a verifiable source!) that the average salary for a JD is about £40k. If there’s a more accurate figure out there for salary and hours worked then great.
I was earning that as an average QS in a small practice about fifteen years ago.

Feel free to post the info. However that's going o the wages for the first couple of years
Tbh for the first 3 years or so JDs are little more than glorified scribes and phebotomists.

Well as I say “I saw it somewhere”. If it’s wrong it’s wrong.

Fair enough.

[fishfoodie]

How much money piled into HS2, & meanwhile .....

Millions of rail journeys will be disrupted over the next two months by the closure of a key rail link in Oxfordshire due to a wobbly bridge.

The main line connecting the Midlands and northern England with the south coast is closed at Nuneham Viaduct. The bridge across the Thames a few miles south of Oxford needs emergency repairs because of “a lot of movement in the structure”.

The line linking Oxford with Didcot and Reading also serves commuter passengers from the Cotswolds and Oxfordshire to London.

A team of engineers from Network Rail spent the weekend examining the structure.

On the afternoon of Easter Monday, a spokesperson for the infrastructure provider said: “Network Rail has confirmed that it is now working to install a temporary structure that will stabilise the viaduct at Nuneham in Oxfordshire in order for trains to run again between Didcot Parkway and Oxford by 10 June.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/ne ... 17072.html

[Insane_Homer]

Turns out the 0.08% Pacific trade "win" has been overestimated

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 13359.html

[Hal Jordan]

Tell that to the Inequalities Minister. She's one for the evidence.

[dpedin]

Turns out the 0.08% Pacific trade "win" has been overestimated

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 13359.html

Her own Dept!

Why am I not in the least bit surprised that yet again the Gov is caught massaging the figures for their benefit? So instead of needing 50x deals of this size to compensate for Brexit we will need even more than 50? I would have more respect for them if they just admitted Brexit is a trade disaster, they had fecked it up big style and said sorry folks. However the £51b hit to the economy in 2023 due to Brexit is already baked in so we are in for a real rocky ride economically for at least the rest of the decade. Feck knows how bad the impact of UK imposing trade barriers to the EU from the end of this year and the intro of biometrics at the EUI Border again later this year is going to be. Something has to give ...

[Sandstorm]

Turns out the 0.08% Pacific trade "win" has been overestimated

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 13359.html

Her own Dept!

Why am I not in the least bit surprised that yet again the Gov is caught massaging the figures for their benefit? So instead of needing 50x deals of this size to compensate for Brexit we will need even more than 50? I would have more respect for them if they just admitted Brexit is a trade disaster, they had fecked it up big style and said sorry folks. However the £51b hit to the economy in 2023 due to Brexit is already baked in so we are in for a real rocky ride economically for at least the rest of the decade. Feck knows how bad the impact of UK imposing trade barriers to the EU from the end of this year and the intro of biometrics at the EUI Border again later this year is going to be. Something has to give ...

Good luck getting anyone in this Cabinet admitting that Brexit is a shitshow! They all got their current positoons on the coattails of "Let's get Brexit done"

[_Os_]

The latest Braverman incident. This seems to be the timeline ...

1. Police receive a complaint about an Essex pub displaying Golliwog dolls. They visit the pub and the dolls are removed from display.
2. Braverman through the Home Office berates the police, telling them Golliwog dolls should not concern them.
3. Essex pub landlord turns out to be the exact sort of person you would imagine someone displaying Golliwog dolls to be, going by his social media posts. The Golliwogs are either now hanging behind the bar by their necks in his words "like they used to in Mississippi", or were at some point in the past.
4. The pub is going to return it's Golliwog doll lynching display with a notice outside saying anyone offended by the display should not enter.
5. When it turns out the pub landlord is sharing all sorts of far-right content, including content from "Generation Identity" a white supremist/fascist group (who could've guessed!). Suddenly the police are forced to officially say Braverman and the Home Office never contacted them, when previously anonymous Home Office sources said Braverman and the Home Office did, the story first being reported in the Daily Mail as Braverman sticking up for an innocent landlord and his right to have Golliwog dolls on display (incorrect, English people think they have American free speech style laws, they do not).

She's still somehow Home Secretary, totally out of her depth (as per my previous posts on her career trajectory), only getting away with this because of her identity (as per my previous posts on her career trajectory). This one would've sunk anyone who was white by the end of the day.

The Braverman incidents are getting more and more bizarre. Each time she goes into bat for racists, it turns into a shit show, then she pretends she played no role.

[dpedin]

Oh I agree. Saying you’ll be minted when you’re 40/50 doesn’t help you buy a house when you’re 30.

Sorry but your narrative that they are poorly paid is way of the mark.

Pay is a relative issue, poorly paid is also dependant upon who you compare them with and how much you value their skill set.

We compete for the medical workforce in a worldwide market - over 30% of docs are non-UK - and compared to similar countries (or the anglosphere as put nicely above) our junior docs are paid very poorly and are treated badly in the main. Gone are the days when we could fill medical vacancies from the asian sub continent, the best ones now look to the US, Australia, NZ, etc. Our Junior Docs are also leaving mid training to go to the likes of Australia and NZ where they get paid more and have a better work life balance. We compete in a world wide market now and sadly we are becoming increasingly non competitive for the brightest and the best.

They are also paid poorly when compared to similar levels of professional jobs in many sectors of the UK. Both my kids earn much more than a junior doc of the same age and qualification level and get any number of fringe benefits from their large multinational employers - staff discounts, gym memberships, flexible working, generous holidays, creche facilities, etc. Unlike the NHS both their employers are desperate to hold on to good young employees who they have invested in.

This is informative ...

[yermum]

I know 3 young docs that finished foundation training and got straight on the plane to Aus.

They all have no plans to return.

[C69]

I know 3 young docs that finished foundation training and got straight on the plane to Aus.

They all have no plans to return.

Oh agreed and the poor pay is relative, the exodus is the same for nursing staff and physios.
Especially nursing staff with Critical Care experience.

This at the same time as the NHS is shipping in international nurses form all over the globe.

[dpedin]

The latest Braverman incident. This seems to be the timeline ...

1. Police receive a complaint about an Essex pub displaying Golliwog dolls. They visit the pub and the dolls are removed from display.
2. Braverman through the Home Office berates the police, telling them Golliwog dolls should not concern them.
3. Essex pub landlord turns out to be the exact sort of person you would imagine someone displaying Golliwog dolls to be, going by his social media posts. The Golliwogs are either now hanging behind the bar by their necks in his words "like they used to in Mississippi", or were at some point in the past.
4. The pub is going to return it's Golliwog doll lynching display with a notice outside saying anyone offended by the display should not enter.
5. When it turns out the pub landlord is sharing all sorts of far-right content, including content from "Generation Identity" a white supremist/fascist group (who could've guessed!). Suddenly the police are forced to officially say Braverman and the Home Office never contacted them, when previously anonymous Home Office sources said Braverman and the Home Office did, the story first being reported in the Daily Mail as Braverman sticking up for an innocent landlord and his right to have Golliwog dolls on display (incorrect, English people think they have American free speech style laws, they do not).

She's still somehow Home Secretary, totally out of her depth (as per my previous posts on her career trajectory), only getting away with this because of her identity (as per my previous posts on her career trajectory). This one would've sunk anyone who was white by the end of the day.

The Braverman incidents are getting more and more bizarre. Each time she goes into bat for racists, it turns into a shit show, then she pretends she played no role.

And ironically would have been made most unwelcome in the pub involved should she stroll in unannounced!

TBH I am always a little suspicious of individuals who have very strong religious beliefs or who belong to small religious sects - everything from the Wee Frees in Scotland to the bampot right wing gun totting evangelists in the US. They all seem deranged to one degree or another and have an unflinching faith in themselves, their decisions and their religion. They also have very wide staring eyes!

Braverman it appears belongs to the Triratna Sect which is on the fringes of the wider Buddhist religion, founded by a Brit Dennis Longwood in 1967 and had some controversy over its founder involved in forced homosexuality. They have never denounced their founder who they call Sangharakshita and we know as Dennis.

[dpedin]

I know 3 young docs that finished foundation training and got straight on the plane to Aus.

They all have no plans to return.

Oh agreed and the poor pay is relative, the exodus is the same for nursing staff and physios.
Especially nursing staff with Critical Care experience.

This at the same time as the NHS is shipping in international nurses form all over the globe.

Pre EU the UK used to rely heavily on the flow of doctors from the Indian sub continent due to historical links between Royal Colleges and these countries.When we joined EU we turned to Europe and were building ups steady supply from mostly southern Europe but from all EU members. Post Brexit and the now very hostile environment from the Home Office the supply from Europe has dried up and the Indian sub continent supply pipeline is now fuelling the huge demand for docs in the US and Canada etc. The UK is now not a very attractive place for non UK docs to come to unless they want specific training or experience. We increasingly lose out in trying to attract the brightest and the best from the RoW.

Nursing etc recruitment from abroad is also proving very difficult and increasingly expensive. The UK is increasingly desperate to fill vacancies and has abandoned its ethical recruitment policy and is recruiting from 'red list' countries that could ill afford to lose these skilled staff despite having previously agreed not to. Nursing pay levels and working conditions in UK are not particularly attractive to nurses in many other countries. I have heard that for some of the NHS it is costing c£18k to recruit and bring over an overseas nurse!

Mistakes were made 10 years ago by the current Gov in failing to invest in doctor and nurse undergraduate programmes and despite knowing full well of the demographic 'Baby boomer' bulge in the NHS workforce sat on their hands as they didnt want to increase investment in training. Austerity and reduction of NHS wages in real terms has made it extremely difficult for the UK to compete in the international labour markets. Brexit and the soiling of the UK reputation was essentially the straw that broke the camels back. It will take huge investment and 10+ years to recover the NHS workforce challenge.

[I like neeps]

The latest Braverman incident. This seems to be the timeline ...

1. Police receive a complaint about an Essex pub displaying Golliwog dolls. They visit the pub and the dolls are removed from display.
2. Braverman through the Home Office berates the police, telling them Golliwog dolls should not concern them.
3. Essex pub landlord turns out to be the exact sort of person you would imagine someone displaying Golliwog dolls to be, going by his social media posts. The Golliwogs are either now hanging behind the bar by their necks in his words "like they used to in Mississippi", or were at some point in the past.
4. The pub is going to return it's Golliwog doll lynching display with a notice outside saying anyone offended by the display should not enter.
5. When it turns out the pub landlord is sharing all sorts of far-right content, including content from "Generation Identity" a white supremist/fascist group (who could've guessed!). Suddenly the police are forced to officially say Braverman and the Home Office never contacted them, when previously anonymous Home Office sources said Braverman and the Home Office did, the story first being reported in the Daily Mail as Braverman sticking up for an innocent landlord and his right to have Golliwog dolls on display (incorrect, English people think they have American free speech style laws, they do not).

She's still somehow Home Secretary, totally out of her depth (as per my previous posts on her career trajectory), only getting away with this because of her identity (as per my previous posts on her career trajectory). This one would've sunk anyone who was white by the end of the day.

The Braverman incidents are getting more and more bizarre. Each time she goes into bat for racists, it turns into a shit show, then she pretends she played no role.

It's very odd she waded into a debate about gollywogs, they've been noted as racist for 30 years +. Not even a new fangled culture war that's racist thing an actual that is racist thing.

[Margin__Walker]

Reading about that this morning. Pretty amusing intervention from her.

Even for an anti woke crusader that she's trying to be, this was probably not a hill you'd want to be dying on.

[robmatic]

The latest Braverman incident. This seems to be the timeline ...

1. Police receive a complaint about an Essex pub displaying Golliwog dolls. They visit the pub and the dolls are removed from display.
2. Braverman through the Home Office berates the police, telling them Golliwog dolls should not concern them.
3. Essex pub landlord turns out to be the exact sort of person you would imagine someone displaying Golliwog dolls to be, going by his social media posts. The Golliwogs are either now hanging behind the bar by their necks in his words "like they used to in Mississippi", or were at some point in the past.
4. The pub is going to return it's Golliwog doll lynching display with a notice outside saying anyone offended by the display should not enter.
5. When it turns out the pub landlord is sharing all sorts of far-right content, including content from "Generation Identity" a white supremist/fascist group (who could've guessed!). Suddenly the police are forced to officially say Braverman and the Home Office never contacted them, when previously anonymous Home Office sources said Braverman and the Home Office did, the story first being reported in the Daily Mail as Braverman sticking up for an innocent landlord and his right to have Golliwog dolls on display (incorrect, English people think they have American free speech style laws, they do not).

She's still somehow Home Secretary, totally out of her depth (as per my previous posts on her career trajectory), only getting away with this because of her identity (as per my previous posts on her career trajectory). This one would've sunk anyone who was white by the end of the day.

The Braverman incidents are getting more and more bizarre. Each time she goes into bat for racists, it turns into a shit show, then she pretends she played no role.

It's very odd she waded into a debate about gollywogs, they've been noted as racist for 30 years +. Not even a new fangled culture war that's racist thing an actual that is racist thing.

She does seem to be quite dumb in many respects.

[tabascoboy]

FFS who enables these people?

Tory politician claims 'all white men should have black slaves' in racist outburst

Andrew Edwards' comment can be heard in a 16-second clip that was sent to Rhian Young, the monitoring officer at Pembrokeshire County Council as he referred himself to the Public Services Ombudsman

A Tory politician is being investigated by party chiefs after allegedly saying: "All white men should have a black man as a slave". County councillor Andrew Edwards is also accused of saying black people were of "lower class" than whites and has refused to deny the claims.

The allegations emerged after an audio recording appeared online and was identified as Mr Edwards' voice.

The Pembrokeshire County councillor - who also sits as a magistrate - said he had referred himself to ombudsmen and left the party.

The Conservatives confirmed it was investigating the allegations and that self-employed hairdresser Mr Edwards had not yet been suspended.

[I like neeps]

Interestingly Musk says twitter is going to label the BBC as state funded media. They aren't happy but after the recent nonsense and that it's government funded it's hard to say they have a leg to stand on.

[Biffer]

Interestingly Musk says twitter is going to label the BBC as state funded media. They aren't happy but after the recent nonsense and that it's government funded it's hard to say they have a leg to stand on.

I thought they'd agreed on 'publicly funded'

[C69]

So now some Blue on Blue/ Brown on Brown) girl on girl action
The former Chairman of the Tory Party Baroness Warsi has told Suella stfu saying brown people can be racist to and to cease with her racist rhetoric.
She called on Sunak to grow a pair and stop the vapid twat from demonising sections of society and to stop engaging in Culture Wars shite

As an aside my Muslim friends think she vehmently racist and abhor her

[GogLais]

Interestingly Musk says twitter is going to label the BBC as state funded media. They aren't happy but after the recent nonsense and that it's government funded it's hard to say they have a leg to stand on.

I thought they'd agreed on 'publicly funded'

At the least the public funding would be significantly less if it weren’t for the state.

[C69]

I wonder if Andrew Edwards would want Rishi or Suella as one of this slaves?


Wtf is wrong with these Tory councillors?

[_Os_]

Braverman it appears belongs to the Triratna Sect which is on the fringes of the wider Buddhist religion, founded by a Brit Dennis Longwood in 1967 and had some controversy over its founder involved in forced homosexuality. They have never denounced their founder who they call Sangharakshita and we know as Dennis.

I did not know this. Something to add to her bio then! Stupid of me not to check this, a colourful set of private beliefs or an interesting past/private life, seems quite common among recent Tory MPs.

Reading about that this morning. Pretty amusing intervention from her.

Even for an anti woke crusader that she's trying to be, this was probably not a hill you'd want to be dying on.

I think what's happening is people fighting the "culture war" have applied "woke" not only to zealous leftie crusaders most would find a bit amusing, but are now using it for anything vaguely liberal. They're using "woke" to describe what most would see as simple common decency. The premise of this game is there are no racists or bad people, or if they exist they understand the Westminster culture war game and will also dog whistle and not reveal their true selves. But in any population about 10%-30% are bigots of some type, because one side of the culture war refuses to admit these people exist their end point has become perpetually defending these rotten people, to try and win their votes presumably. It's completely crazy.

[_Os_]

Meanwhile in Bracknell the Tories are putting up the ex-deputy leader of Britain First who was also the ex-regional head of the BNP. "Got a problem with that you're woke!".

(I've cut the article down)

Tory candidate exposed as ex-deputy leader of Britain First
11th April

A Conservative hopeful vying for a seat on Bracknell’s town council has been exposed as the former deputy leader of far-right group Britain First.

Andrew McBride, who was chosen by the Conservative Party to stand in next month’s Local Elections, also served as a regional organiser for the BNP and stood as a candidate for Wokingham in 2008, it has been revealed.

He previously defended the British Nationalist Party, which supports the death penalty and a blanket ban on immigration, as “not racist”, saying: “we are not a racist party, colour or religion is not important to us, but we feel that British people are not getting enough access to housing and jobs.”

Mr McBride’s political background emerged last week after he was announced as Bracknell Forest Conservatives’ candidate for Priestwood. The news sparked a backlash from across the political spectrum with one Conservative councillor saying members were “angry and appalled”.

The Conservative Party has now suspended Mr McBride from the party but it is “too late” for him to be withdrawn from the election process, meaning he will still be their representative in the elections with the public still able to vote for him.

https://www.bracknellnews.co.uk/news/23 ... tain-first

[Hal Jordan]

So now some Blue on Blue/ Brown on Brown) girl on girl action
The former Chairman of the Tory Party Baroness Warsi has told Suella stfu saying brown people can be racist to and to cease with her racist rhetoric.
She called on Sunak to grow a pair and stop the vapid twat from demonising sections of society and to stop engaging in Culture Wars shite

As an aside my Muslim friends think she vehmently racist and abhor her

That would tie in with the Government's enthusiasm for Netanyahu and Modi and their odious regimes.

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.msn.com/en-GB/news/uk/all-w ... reappshare

A Conservative politician is being investigated over racist comments after allegedly saying “all white men should have a Black slave”.

Andrew Edwards, a County councillor and former magistrate in Pembrokeshire, Wales, is also accused of saying Black people are of “lower class” than white people during a clip that has emerged online. Mr Edwards has referred himself to the Public Services ombudsman.