Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Happyhooker]

It's a shame they didn't force Starmer to answer what countries don't have those values. British values .. what a load of boloney.

Why saying does britain having those values (whatever they are) preclude other countries also those values?

He was asked a question and answered it.
Edit - i agree he could have taken a different tack

[C69]

So there is a schism in the NHS staff council regarding the newest pay offer.

Unison the RCM and the CSP voted for the deal and the RCN and SOR against.
The EGM on May 2nd is going to interesting especially given the Court ruling to truncate the RCNs strike.

The leadership of the RCN are being hammered atm as rightly so over their underhand deal with the Tories.
Which has somewhat backfired after the recent Court ruling.

[_Os_]

I've played golf in South Caroline numerous times and it can be very embarrassing for a Scot. Many courses are built on old plantations - cotton, tobacco, indigo - and have signs with some local history. They almost all go along the same lines ie 'This course is built on an old cotton plantation which had over 400 slaves and was run by the Robertson family from Aberdeen'. Some actually have slave graveyards, now tended and protected, on the courses. Also many courses are named after Scottish links - Aberdeen, True Blue, Caledonia, Glen Dornoch, Thistle, etc. Had a brilliant taxi driver who looked after us for the week, big black guy who it turned out was named Cameron McPherson, turned out his great granny was 'friends' with the slave driver. We Scots left our mark in South Carolina and I am not sure it is one we should be proud of!

The history of the Antebellum South and before then (17th/18th century) in the South and West Indies, is fascinating.

It had very heavy Celtic influence. As you say there were a lot of Scots too and not just Irish (often getting there the same way, indentured or deported). There were also just stragglers shipped out from anywhere in the British Isles. Thomas Sowell (a black American conservative writer) has a theory that the South was so heavily Celtic, that the slave populations assimilated into that culture and what is understood as "black American culture" today is actually a version of rebel Celtic culture.

Goes back to my earlier large (but still abridged) paragraph on how race was used and changed through the colonial period. In the early period (17th century), there were Celts working in conditions arguably similar to that of slaves (as ever EverReady pointed out, but it still doesn't make them actual slaves though). Then those same people (and new arrivals) were elevated to foremen above African slaves but still working for the planation owner. Then they were the planation owners. Race and the values attached to it start out to some degree fluid in the 17th century (eg at the time, whites were working in plantations in the West Indies and a mixed race man was governing in the Cape), but by the 19th century race/racism has become a much more fixed hierarchical idea as we know it today.

I do find it amusing the most rebellious states were also the most Celtic. You guys always want to secede from the union!

[tabascoboy]

The Strikes (Minimum Service Levels) Bill was voted down in the House of Lords yesterday (26 April), but experts warn it could still become law before the summer.

The bill – which will introduce minimum service levels that must be met during industrial action – saw the House of Lords vote by 221 to 197, favouring a consultation and the publishing of an impact assessment before it becomes legislation.

Julia Kermode, founder of IWORK, called the voting down a “huge victory” for workers’ rights. “Introducing a law that stops workers from striking would have eroded workers' rights and human rights, preventing desperate people from having their voices heard,” she said.

[fishfoodie]

Christ alive, when even a toerag like Gullis finds your comments distasteful then how unpleasant a human being are you?

Part of a Government that gets praised by a Neo-Facist ??

Meloni praises Sunak’s immigration policies on visit to No 10

Far-right Italian prime minister in London for ‘new beginning’ aiming at deeper and wider alliance between the countries

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... t-to-no-10

[Yeeb]

We'll all fight like rats in a sack once they're gone.

In 1997 Labour came in on an economic upturn, people wanting change and optimistic. Whatever the mood music is it's not "things can only get better" euphoria. Probably Labour comes in and no one is particularly happy after not that long.

Agreed, very unclear how Labour are going to improve anything. They're just as reactionary as the Tories at this point.

That's exactly the line the Tories are desperate for you to believe! They are desperate to sell the 'all politicians are shite but because we talk posh, went to a Red Brick Uni to study PPE and have three houses' we are better than you and should retain political power. JRM is the epitome of this message. Get the bastards out and lets see what the other parties can do, it can't be much worse and if Labour repeat what the did last time at least the NHS will get better, child poverty will reduce and public services will work!

How exactly did labour make NHS better last time they were in ? They brought in PFI for medical needs, trusts and payment by results , which seem to have been broadly terrible for nhs. See also education, public housing , roads and rail…
Child poverty was deffo one of their successes and one of Blair’s main pledges iirc - shame it was partly achieved by unsustainable social payments helping debt to soar & resulting in damaging austerity cuts (even I think these went way too far) and massaging the figure by changing the housing costs calculation.
Somehow thinking labour will do any better after next GE is somewhat wishful thinking and not really backed up by recent history, Tories have done such a bad job post Cameron though they do need to be kicked into touch for a while.

[Yeeb]

I've played golf in South Caroline numerous times and it can be very embarrassing for a Scot. Many courses are built on old plantations - cotton, tobacco, indigo - and have signs with some local history. They almost all go along the same lines ie 'This course is built on an old cotton plantation which had over 400 slaves and was run by the Robertson family from Aberdeen'. Some actually have slave graveyards, now tended and protected, on the courses. Also many courses are named after Scottish links - Aberdeen, True Blue, Caledonia, Glen Dornoch, Thistle, etc. Had a brilliant taxi driver who looked after us for the week, big black guy who it turned out was named Cameron McPherson, turned out his great granny was 'friends' with the slave driver. We Scots left our mark in South Carolina and I am not sure it is one we should be proud of!

The history of the Antebellum South and before then (17th/18th century) in the South and West Indies, is fascinating.

It had very heavy Celtic influence. As you say there were a lot of Scots too and not just Irish (often getting there the same way, indentured or deported). There were also just stragglers shipped out from anywhere in the British Isles. Thomas Sowell (a black American conservative writer) has a theory that the South was so heavily Celtic, that the slave populations assimilated into that culture and what is understood as "black American culture" today is actually a version of rebel Celtic culture.

Goes back to my earlier large (but still abridged) paragraph on how race was used and changed through the colonial period. In the early period (17th century), there were Celts working in conditions arguably similar to that of slaves (as ever EverReady pointed out, but it still doesn't make them actual slaves though). Then those same people (and new arrivals) were elevated to foremen above African slaves but still working for the planation owner. Then they were the planation owners. Race and the values attached to it start out to some degree fluid in the 17th century (eg at the time, whites were working in plantations in the West Indies and a mixed race man was governing in the Cape), but by the 19th century race/racism has become a much more fixed hierarchical idea as we know it today.

I do find it amusing the most rebellious states were also the most Celtic. You guys always want to secede from the union!

Pesky celts have always been troublesome , and destined to be ruled by someone else - romans, Saxons, vikings, English, Alchohol, nearly Germans, heroin and now some of them Brussels.

[dpedin]

I've played golf in South Caroline numerous times and it can be very embarrassing for a Scot. Many courses are built on old plantations - cotton, tobacco, indigo - and have signs with some local history. They almost all go along the same lines ie 'This course is built on an old cotton plantation which had over 400 slaves and was run by the Robertson family from Aberdeen'. Some actually have slave graveyards, now tended and protected, on the courses. Also many courses are named after Scottish links - Aberdeen, True Blue, Caledonia, Glen Dornoch, Thistle, etc. Had a brilliant taxi driver who looked after us for the week, big black guy who it turned out was named Cameron McPherson, turned out his great granny was 'friends' with the slave driver. We Scots left our mark in South Carolina and I am not sure it is one we should be proud of!

The history of the Antebellum South and before then (17th/18th century) in the South and West Indies, is fascinating.

It had very heavy Celtic influence. As you say there were a lot of Scots too and not just Irish (often getting there the same way, indentured or deported). There were also just stragglers shipped out from anywhere in the British Isles. Thomas Sowell (a black American conservative writer) has a theory that the South was so heavily Celtic, that the slave populations assimilated into that culture and what is understood as "black American culture" today is actually a version of rebel Celtic culture.

Goes back to my earlier large (but still abridged) paragraph on how race was used and changed through the colonial period. In the early period (17th century), there were Celts working in conditions arguably similar to that of slaves (as ever EverReady pointed out, but it still doesn't make them actual slaves though). Then those same people (and new arrivals) were elevated to foremen above African slaves but still working for the planation owner. Then they were the planation owners. Race and the values attached to it start out to some degree fluid in the 17th century (eg at the time, whites were working in plantations in the West Indies and a mixed race man was governing in the Cape), but by the 19th century race/racism has become a much more fixed hierarchical idea as we know it today.

I do find it amusing the most rebellious states were also the most Celtic. You guys always want to secede from the union!

Pesky celts have always been troublesome , and destined to be ruled by someone else - romans, Saxons, vikings, English, Alchohol, nearly Germans, heroin and now some of them Brussels.

Thanks for background info and yes - we Celts have always been troublesome, it's in the genes or is it jeans?

For my info - did the highland clearances in 1750s onwards speed up this process as highlanders were subjected to 'assisted' immigration to US and Aussieland.

[tabascoboy]

Hoping for a domino effect here

[Paddington Bear]

The history of the Antebellum South and before then (17th/18th century) in the South and West Indies, is fascinating.

It had very heavy Celtic influence. As you say there were a lot of Scots too and not just Irish (often getting there the same way, indentured or deported). There were also just stragglers shipped out from anywhere in the British Isles. Thomas Sowell (a black American conservative writer) has a theory that the South was so heavily Celtic, that the slave populations assimilated into that culture and what is understood as "black American culture" today is actually a version of rebel Celtic culture.

Goes back to my earlier large (but still abridged) paragraph on how race was used and changed through the colonial period. In the early period (17th century), there were Celts working in conditions arguably similar to that of slaves (as ever EverReady pointed out, but it still doesn't make them actual slaves though). Then those same people (and new arrivals) were elevated to foremen above African slaves but still working for the planation owner. Then they were the planation owners. Race and the values attached to it start out to some degree fluid in the 17th century (eg at the time, whites were working in plantations in the West Indies and a mixed race man was governing in the Cape), but by the 19th century race/racism has become a much more fixed hierarchical idea as we know it today.

I do find it amusing the most rebellious states were also the most Celtic. You guys always want to secede from the union!

Pesky celts have always been troublesome , and destined to be ruled by someone else - romans, Saxons, vikings, English, Alchohol, nearly Germans, heroin and now some of them Brussels.

Thanks for background info and yes - we Celts have always been troublesome, it's in the genes or is it jeans?

For my info - did the highland clearances in 1750s onwards speed up this process as highlanders were subjected to 'assisted' immigration to US and Aussieland.

Yes - and interestingly newly arrived highlanders in the American South were a bulwark of support for the crown during the American Revolution, marshalled by Flora MacDonald. The last highland charge took place for King George in America, not at Culloden. History is funny.

[SaintK]

Three year old Wilf must have dressed the blonde slug this morning!

[tabascoboy]

[inactionman]

Three year old Wilf must have dressed the blonde slug this morning!

The clothes bollox is an affectation. Oh I am such an absent minded professor type. Yeah Boris exactly like that

I saw the clip without any sound or context, and initially thought he'd been caught with his pants down and was fleeing the scene.

That, at least, would not be an affectation.

[SaintK]

Yep a real third world tinpot dictatorship trying to manipulate who the head prefect speaks to and reports on what he says
Well played the Scottish press for showing them up!

[SaintK]

So, Coffey's constituency is as full of shit as she is!!

E coli levels from treated sewage discharges into the River Deben in Thérèse Coffey’s constituency are far above legal limits for bathing water status, campaigners say.
As the environment secretary was due to visit Martlesham water treatment works in her constituency on the Deben in Suffolk on Friday, previously unpublished data given to campaigners by Anglian Water reveals extremely high levels of E coli in the river.

https://www.theguardian.com/environmen ... ta-shows

[Tichtheid]

I've played golf in South Caroline numerous times and it can be very embarrassing for a Scot. Many courses are built on old plantations - cotton, tobacco, indigo - and have signs with some local history. They almost all go along the same lines ie 'This course is built on an old cotton plantation which had over 400 slaves and was run by the Robertson family from Aberdeen'. Some actually have slave graveyards, now tended and protected, on the courses. Also many courses are named after Scottish links - Aberdeen, True Blue, Caledonia, Glen Dornoch, Thistle, etc. Had a brilliant taxi driver who looked after us for the week, big black guy who it turned out was named Cameron McPherson, turned out his great granny was 'friends' with the slave driver. We Scots left our mark in South Carolina and I am not sure it is one we should be proud of!

The history of the Antebellum South and before then (17th/18th century) in the South and West Indies, is fascinating.

It had very heavy Celtic influence. As you say there were a lot of Scots too and not just Irish (often getting there the same way, indentured or deported). There were also just stragglers shipped out from anywhere in the British Isles. Thomas Sowell (a black American conservative writer) has a theory that the South was so heavily Celtic, that the slave populations assimilated into that culture and what is understood as "black American culture" today is actually a version of rebel Celtic culture.

Goes back to my earlier large (but still abridged) paragraph on how race was used and changed through the colonial period. In the early period (17th century), there were Celts working in conditions arguably similar to that of slaves (as ever EverReady pointed out, but it still doesn't make them actual slaves though). Then those same people (and new arrivals) were elevated to foremen above African slaves but still working for the planation owner. Then they were the planation owners. Race and the values attached to it start out to some degree fluid in the 17th century (eg at the time, whites were working in plantations in the West Indies and a mixed race man was governing in the Cape), but by the 19th century race/racism has become a much more fixed hierarchical idea as we know it today.

I do find it amusing the most rebellious states were also the most Celtic. You guys always want to secede from the union!

There some interesting reading in this thread.
Good stuff.


There is a piece here about the conditions miners faced in Scotland, the term used in one letter in the article is "bond-servant", which only means one thing, really.

http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/429.html

[Hal Jordan]

Sharp becomes another casualty of Johnson. He's like Trump, a trail of broken bodies behind him as he fixes his sights on the next idiot who buys him lunch. 

N.B. This in no way implies any sympathy for Sharp.

[fishfoodie]

Sharp becomes another casualty of Johnson. He's like Trump, a trail of broken bodies behind him as he fixes his sights on the next idiot who buys him lunch. 

N.B. This in no way implies any sympathy for Sharp.

and just like the other scumbag, nothing happens to the instigator, instead all the shit hits the facilitor

[Hal Jordan]

Sharp becomes another casualty of Johnson. He's like Trump, a trail of broken bodies behind him as he fixes his sights on the next idiot who buys him lunch. 

N.B. This in no way implies any sympathy for Sharp.

and just like the other scumbag, nothing happens to the instigator, instead all the shit hits the facilitor

It's why Johnson keeps doing it. He was somehow sacked up the chain all the way to being Prime Minister, got sacked from there and still has arseholes lining up to give him money and perks.

[C69]

Fyi re NHS strikes.
They are effectively finished, the Staff Council meets next week and the pay deal will be agreed. As the Unions that voted to accept have the majority.
The RCN are fecked and the leadership may face a vote of no confidence soon.

[Biffer]

I've played golf in South Caroline numerous times and it can be very embarrassing for a Scot. Many courses are built on old plantations - cotton, tobacco, indigo - and have signs with some local history. They almost all go along the same lines ie 'This course is built on an old cotton plantation which had over 400 slaves and was run by the Robertson family from Aberdeen'. Some actually have slave graveyards, now tended and protected, on the courses. Also many courses are named after Scottish links - Aberdeen, True Blue, Caledonia, Glen Dornoch, Thistle, etc. Had a brilliant taxi driver who looked after us for the week, big black guy who it turned out was named Cameron McPherson, turned out his great granny was 'friends' with the slave driver. We Scots left our mark in South Carolina and I am not sure it is one we should be proud of!

The history of the Antebellum South and before then (17th/18th century) in the South and West Indies, is fascinating.

It had very heavy Celtic influence. As you say there were a lot of Scots too and not just Irish (often getting there the same way, indentured or deported). There were also just stragglers shipped out from anywhere in the British Isles. Thomas Sowell (a black American conservative writer) has a theory that the South was so heavily Celtic, that the slave populations assimilated into that culture and what is understood as "black American culture" today is actually a version of rebel Celtic culture.

Goes back to my earlier large (but still abridged) paragraph on how race was used and changed through the colonial period. In the early period (17th century), there were Celts working in conditions arguably similar to that of slaves (as ever EverReady pointed out, but it still doesn't make them actual slaves though). Then those same people (and new arrivals) were elevated to foremen above African slaves but still working for the planation owner. Then they were the planation owners. Race and the values attached to it start out to some degree fluid in the 17th century (eg at the time, whites were working in plantations in the West Indies and a mixed race man was governing in the Cape), but by the 19th century race/racism has become a much more fixed hierarchical idea as we know it today.

I do find it amusing the most rebellious states were also the most Celtic. You guys always want to secede from the union!

There some interesting reading in this thread.
Good stuff.


There is a piece here about the conditions miners faced in Scotland, the term used in one letter in the article is "bond-servant", which only means one thing, really.

http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/429.html

Bond servant, indentured labour etc are all little better than slavery, but they’re not slavery. You aren’t actually owned by another person to do with as they please. It’s fundamentally wrong, and disregards the experience of slavery, to just equate the two. It’s very much something that’s done by white power groups in the US to try to counter black rights groups, so we should always be careful nut to consider them the same when talking about Scottish history.

[Tichtheid]

There some interesting reading in this thread.
Good stuff.


There is a piece here about the conditions miners faced in Scotland, the term used in one letter in the article is "bond-servant", which only means one thing, really.

http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/429.html

Bond servant, indentured labour etc are all little better than slavery, but they’re not slavery. You aren’t actually owned by another person to do with as they please. It’s fundamentally wrong, and disregards the experience of slavery, to just equate the two. It’s very much something that’s done by white power groups in the US to try to counter black rights groups, so we should always be careful nut to consider them the same when talking about Scottish history.

The point I was making was not to equate slavery and bonded servitude, though the lived experience of those miners and salters was that their labour was legally owned by a person who was referred to in law as their Master. They could not work for anyone else under pain of huge fines for the other employers and corporal punishment for the labourer. The initial act came into being in 1606 and wasn't repealed until 1799.

The servitude was not legally inherited, but there was much coercion to ensure children of the servants would follow their parents' footsteps. I was born in a town called Bo'ness in West Lothian, the town is mentioned in the article I posted. Every June they hold a children's parade, the origins of which are the celebrations of the act in 1799 which brought freedom to the colliers and salters.

There were slave owners who came from Scotland, just as there were slave owners who came from Ireland, the point about Irish indentured service was what made me point out the situation for some in Scotland.

Slavery was and is an abomination, I don't think pointing out how some people were forced to live in Scotland lessens that in any way

[fishfoodie]

Epic, Epic, Epic fuckup !!!

I can see SF not attending the ceremony as a result of this, & handed another victory by the completely tone deaf plums in London.

Coronation: Public asked to swear allegiance to King Charles

People watching the Coronation will be invited to join a "chorus of millions" to swear allegiance to the King and his heirs, organisers say.

The public pledge is one of several striking changes to the ancient ceremony revealed on Saturday.

In a coronation full of firsts, female clergy will play a prominent role, and the King himself will pray out loud.

The Christian service will also see religious leaders from other faiths have an active part for the first time.

The Coronation on Saturday will be the first to incorporate other languages spoken in Britain, with a hymn set to be sung in Welsh, Scottish Gaelic and Irish Gaelic.

Despite changes designed to reflect other faiths, the three oaths the King will take and form the heart of the service remain unchanged, including the promise to maintain "the Protestant Reformed Religion".
....

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65435426

How many years is it since Catholic emancipation, & these fucking idiots still haven't realized that there's more than one religion in the UK, & when you're already starting with an un-elected HoS, to go past that & start demanding everyone swear some kind of oath of allegiance is piling insanity upon insanity.

[C69]

I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God."

GET FUCKED

[Sandstorm]

I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God."

GET FUCKED

[tabascoboy]

I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God."

[GogLais]

He can thank me for letting him be my sovereign.

[Blackmac]

Epic, Epic, Epic fuckup !!!

I can see SF not attending the ceremony as a result of this, & handed another victory by the completely tone deaf plums in London.

Coronation: Public asked to swear allegiance to King Charles

People watching the Coronation will be invited to join a "chorus of millions" to swear allegiance to the King and his heirs, organisers say.

The public pledge is one of several striking changes to the ancient ceremony revealed on Saturday.

In a coronation full of firsts, female clergy will play a prominent role, and the King himself will pray out loud.

The Christian service will also see religious leaders from other faiths have an active part for the first time.

The Coronation on Saturday will be the first to incorporate other languages spoken in Britain, with a hymn set to be sung in Welsh, Scottish Gaelic and Irish Gaelic.

Despite changes designed to reflect other faiths, the three oaths the King will take and form the heart of the service remain unchanged, including the promise to maintain "the Protestant Reformed Religion".
....

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65435426

How many years is it since Catholic emancipation, & these fucking idiots still haven't realized that there's more than one religion in the UK, & when you're already starting with an un-elected HoS, to go past that & start demanding everyone swear some kind of oath of allegiance is piling insanity upon insanity.

I think that this is very much an attempt to let the blue rinse brigade feel involved, but seems very misguided when Charles himself seems to want to downplay and modernise the whole ceremony.

[GogLais]

Ms GL and I are worried that Alexa may be eavesdropping at homage time.

[dpedin]

I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God."

GET FUCKED

I'm not sure I will be pledging my allegiance to the King, it might put me off my putting! Daughter who lives in London has escaped to Italy for the week to avoid the incessant royalty shite. Son is planning to be on the top of a Munro.

What really gets my goat is this fawning at the feet of a very dysfunctional family which, for example, includes:

- Charles shagging his married bird behind his new wife Diana's back
- Charles accepting bags of cash for 'charities' from dodgy individuals/politicians
- Charles personal office involved in cash for honours disgrace
- New wife Camilla shagging Charles whilst married with young kids and apparently with her husband knowing about it
- Philip a well known womaniser who had a number of extra marital affairs
- Drunk, chain smoker Princess Margaret who shagged her gardener, amongst others, whilst married and spent most of her time sozzled on her mates private island
- Andrew the paedo who was besties with and regular visitor of a convicted child groomer, trafficker and paedophile and his fixer/muse Maxwell.
- Sarah another who also had numerous affairs whilst married and prior to divorce
- Andrew and Sarah involved in dodgy housing transactions involving crooked benefactors from Kazhakstan
- Their kids Beatrice and Eugenie on numerous expensive holidays and hugely expensive weddings they obviously can't afford themselves which we pay for

I could go on, the list is endless. They are more Sunday Sport celebrities than anyone I admire or would align myself to and resent financially supporting them through my taxes! They are just a bunch of spoiled posh brats who pretend to care about this country whilst stuffing their pockets and living a life of luxury at our expense. I really struggle to understand how folk think they are to be admired?

Old Liz seemed, at least on the face of it, a more decent person but no different to my late Grannie who worked hard all her life in the Dundee jute mills. The main difference between them was my Grannie put money on the odd racehorse whereas Liz owned them!

[fishfoodie]

Would this be a good time to remind the population that they're actually krauts ?

"I didn't vote for Brexit so I could swear allegiance to some jug-earred KRAUT !!!"

[robmatic]

I'm not sure I will be pledging my allegiance to the King, it might put me off my putting! Daughter who lives in London has escaped to Italy for the week to avoid the incessant royalty shite. Son is planning to be on the top of a Munro.

What really gets my goat is this fawning at the feet of a very dysfunctional family which, for example, includes:

- Charles shagging his married bird behind his new wife Diana's back
- Charles accepting bags of cash for 'charities' from dodgy individuals/politicians
- Charles personal office involved in cash for honours disgrace
- New wife Camilla shagging Charles whilst married with young kids and apparently with her husband knowing about it
- Philip a well known womaniser who had a number of extra marital affairs
- Drunk, chain smoker Princess Margaret who shagged her gardener, amongst others, whilst married and spent most of her time sozzled on her mates private island
- Andrew the paedo who was besties with and regular visitor of a convicted child groomer, trafficker and paedophile and his fixer/muse Maxwell.
- Sarah another who also had numerous affairs whilst married and prior to divorce
- Andrew and Sarah involved in dodgy housing transactions involving crooked benefactors from Kazhakstan
- Their kids Beatrice and Eugenie on numerous expensive holidays and hugely expensive weddings they obviously can't afford themselves which we pay for

I could go on, the list is endless. They are more Sunday Sport celebrities than anyone I admire or would align myself to and resent financially supporting them through my taxes! They are just a bunch of spoiled posh brats who pretend to care about this country whilst stuffing their pockets and living a life of luxury at our expense. I really struggle to understand how folk think they are to be admired?

Old Liz seemed, at least on the face of it, a more decent person but no different to my late Grannie who worked hard all her life in the Dundee jute mills. The main difference between them was my Grannie put money on the odd racehorse whereas Liz owned them!

You missed off William, the great white hope of the Royal Family, who is also an inveterate extra-marital shagger.

[Hal Jordan]

Liz knew exactly what was going on. Stumped up £12m to pay off her son's misdemeanours.

[inactionman]

This sounds like a book on Boris I'd quite like to read:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/ ... -interview

banner headline:

Anthony Seldon on Boris Johnson: ‘At his heart, he is extraordinarily empty’

[lemonhead]

This sounds like a book on Boris I'd quite like to read:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/ ... -interview

banner headline:

Anthony Seldon on Boris Johnson: ‘At his heart, he is extraordinarily empty’

Narcissists generally are.

Did like seeing this in print, it rarely goes out of date.

The fact is,” he says, “people come into No 10 knowing less about [complex organisations] than most people running companies employing less than 20 people. That’s forgivable. What is unforgivable is that almost without exception, they do not want to learn how to do it. They think they know best. They are often snide, poisonous, dismissive of previous teams, particularly teams from their same party. And they come in with frothing adrenaline and swagger.”

[Insane_Homer]

Truss caught stealing.

https://www.msn.com/en-GB/news/london/l ... reappshare

[dpedin]

Liz knew exactly what was going on. Stumped up £12m to pay off her son's misdemeanours.

You are correct, I withdraw my earlier remarks! £12m of our money as well.

We are basically paying millions to keep a bunch of inbreds and their hangers on and for them to continue shaggin anything that moves, which in Andrews case would appear to include trafficked young girls. I could have delved deeper into other parts of the Royal Family such as Lord Mountbatten's predilections but .... I enjoyed watching the C4 series on Catherine the Great but didnt realise, with all the dumb bastards shagging and debauchery that it was a parody of our current royal family!

[tabascoboy]

Wonder how HMG are going to react to this, on the one hand there is very little love for Johnson amongst the disciples of Rishi but on the other it's surely going to be very damning about the Party as a whole
Should be an "interesting read" when it comes out later this week

After his dramatic rise to power in the summer of 2019 amid the Brexit deadlock, Boris Johnson presided over the most turbulent period of British history in living memory. Beginning with the controversial prorogation of Parliament in August and the historic landslide election victory later that year, Johnson was barely through the door of No. 10 when Britain was engulfed by a series of crises that will define its place in the world for decades to come. From the agonising upheaval of Brexit and the devastating Covid-19 pandemic to the nerve-shredding crisis in Afghanistan and the outbreak of war in Ukraine, Johnson's government ultimately unravelled after just three years.

This gripping behind-the-scenes work of contemporary history maps Johnson's time in power from start to finish and sheds new light on the most divisive Prime Minister to have led the United Kingdom since Thatcher. Based on more than 200 interviews with key aides, allies and insiders, Johnson at 10 gives the first full account of Johnson's premiership, the shockwaves of which are still felt today.

[GogLais]

Truss caught stealing.

https://www.msn.com/en-GB/news/london/l ... reappshare

Obvious point to make really - does she not see how this looks? Is she really short of £12k given what she’ll get for speeches and whatever.

[fishfoodie]

Truss caught stealing.

https://www.msn.com/en-GB/news/london/l ... reappshare

Obvious point to make really - does she not see how this looks? Is she really short of £12k given what she’ll get for speeches and whatever.

Self-Awareness wouldn't be one of her strengths ..... if she ever had any, "Pork Markets !"