Lam's not happy ... video and discussion follows in the twitter thread.
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sockwithaticket
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BT just replayed it. Piutau is pushing Hill down into the floor rather aggressively and unnecessarily, but I'm not sure that was more than a pen.
Kitchener definitely should have been banned for longer as he was a non-involved party who came in swinging, but Piutau's defensive action definitely fell under the 'best defense is a strong offense' category and culminated in him throwing a punch too..
Don't buy Lam's idea that punching is necessary for self-defense either. Plenty of space to get away there if he's really worried about someone coming and hitting his head.
Kitchener definitely should have been banned for longer as he was a non-involved party who came in swinging, but Piutau's defensive action definitely fell under the 'best defense is a strong offense' category and culminated in him throwing a punch too..
Don't buy Lam's idea that punching is necessary for self-defense either. Plenty of space to get away there if he's really worried about someone coming and hitting his head.
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sockwithaticket
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Pretty lacklustre opening 15 from Wasps. Tigers good value for their lead.
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That's more like it. Powerful maul, ball away for Feikitoa and try.
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Margin__Walker
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Before it went to ground he connected with a crisp right hook. His was actually the first punch to land I think.
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sockwithaticket
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The Bath game is on a main channel, so should be easier to find if you're not planning on streaming with a BT account.
Quins - Irish might be more competitive, though.
Quins - Irish might be more competitive, though.
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Starting on BBC1 soon;
The Repair Shop
Episode 24
Today in the Repair Shop, the team restore a scoreboard that once belonged to a snooker legend, an old newsagent’s clock, a treasured metal box and an old wooden barber’s chair.
Thank me later.
Wuss not letting Bath have it easy.
EDIT - Actually, might be more accurate given how they've scored, to say that Bath aren't letting Bath have it easily.
EDIT - Actually, might be more accurate given how they've scored, to say that Bath aren't letting Bath have it easily.
Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
LI vs Quins is alright so far: LI just edging it, Marcus Smith scored a lovely little try - a darting finish - and tempers are just starting to fray a little in the pack.
7-5 to the NotNots with the Quins 9 in the bin for another 5 mins...
Game on!
Edit: halfers: LI 15 - Quins 10.
Last ten mins of the first half were a bit dull, but it was rounded off by a decent break by Quins, ended by a superb man and ball cover tackle with extra handbags on top.
Meahen, the Irish 9, has the best pass I’ve seen on a scrummie in the prem this season. An absolute bullet, mixed up nicely with the soft stuff round the fringe.
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Margin__Walker
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Wish we could play Quins every week.
No matter what team you put out, they always give you a chance.
Brutal hit at the end by Hassell-Collins to prevent that try at the death. Reckon Morris could have passed it.
No matter what team you put out, they always give you a chance.
Brutal hit at the end by Hassell-Collins to prevent that try at the death. Reckon Morris could have passed it.
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Smith has scored 500 points in the league for Quins.
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sockwithaticket
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Bath - Worcester was quite competitive for the first quarter, but the game's been pver since half time and both sides are going through the motions really.
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Ah well. Maybe not
Regulation bonus-point victory away from home 
God we were awful in the first half. Baldwin has to shoulder plenty of blame, how is an international hooker so bad at throwing? Much better second half despite all the disruption from KOs and assorted other injuries. Irish really tried to play at pace and gave a good account of themselves. Smith, Lang, Northmore all had big second half performances.
God we were awful in the first half. Baldwin has to shoulder plenty of blame, how is an international hooker so bad at throwing? Much better second half despite all the disruption from KOs and assorted other injuries. Irish really tried to play at pace and gave a good account of themselves. Smith, Lang, Northmore all had big second half performances.
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It looked like the teams were determined to fill an A&E unit with injuries; every time I flicked over, there was another stoppage.JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:09 pm Regulation bonus-point victory away from home
God we were awful in the first half. Baldwin has to shoulder plenty of blame, how is an international hooker so bad at throwing? Much better second half despite all the disruption from KOs and assorted other injuries. Irish really tried to play at pace and gave a good account of themselves. Smith, Lang, Northmore all had big second half performances.
How many games are there left in the season ?
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Forgot to mention yesterday. Smith was genuinely excellent at 10.
Game control with raking kicks pinning the opposition back to the corners. Dangerous with ball in hand and seems to have a ton of time in the ball. Nice last ditch tackle thrown in as well.
Silly hair though.
Game control with raking kicks pinning the opposition back to the corners. Dangerous with ball in hand and seems to have a ton of time in the ball. Nice last ditch tackle thrown in as well.
Silly hair though.
He's been a bright spot. He still makes the occasional bad error - that kick near the end that let you have a try, even though he worked bloody hard to prevent it - but he's one of the few players who appears to be trying to be the best he can be right from the start. It's great see him giving teammates a spray, too.
Both of them show good promise.
Smith probably ahead in terms of experience, game management and execution.
Should include Joe Simmonds from Exeter alongside them. A year or so older but very talented and has already captained the Chiefs
A pretty good crop of 10's developing for England
Smith has all the right attributes, he just needs to learn a bit of pragmatism at times, he has this tendency to go for the showreel pass/play when maybe he should just kick, and ends up fucking it up, if he can learn to add that to his game i think he has real England potential.
To be honest, I think either Smith or Umaga (and maybe Simmonds, not seen enough) could do the job. In the end, whichever starts getting the experience is likely to end up being the one best suited (as daft as that sounds, I hope you understand).
Right now, with Ford and Farrell likely to stay 1 and 2, I don't see any newcomer forcing their way in for a little while yet.
Right now, with Ford and Farrell likely to stay 1 and 2, I don't see any newcomer forcing their way in for a little while yet.
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Yes indeed. I would say Simmonds is the most solid of the three at present, which isn’t surprising. His place kicking is phenomenal but Exeter playing as they do I can’t say I have seen much in the way of tactical open-play kicking from him. Imo both Smith and Umaga have the potential to out-strip him in the medium term.SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:52 amBoth of them show good promise.
Smith probably ahead in terms of experience, game management and execution.
Should include Joe Simmonds from Exeter alongside them. A year or so older but very talented and has already captained the Chiefs
A pretty good crop of 10's developing for England
Agreed. Simmonds is great for the Exeter game plan and executes it well. It's difficult to say how the others would go in his position; they're such a well organised and well prepared unit with a very clear style that anyone playing 10 is going to be this weird mix of someone who's getting an armchair ride but absolutely cannot waste the possession and position they get. I guess that's where the Churchill Cup would've been useful.Un Pilier wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:03 amYes indeed. I would say Simmonds is the most solid of the three at present, which isn’t surprising. His place kicking is phenomenal but Exeter playing as they do I can’t say I have seen much in the way of tactical open-play kicking from him. Imo both Smith and Umaga have the potential to out-strip him in the medium term.SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:52 amBoth of them show good promise.
Smith probably ahead in terms of experience, game management and execution.
Should include Joe Simmonds from Exeter alongside them. A year or so older but very talented and has already captained the Chiefs
A pretty good crop of 10's developing for England
Either way, I think we've got a great crop of young 10s. Wish I could say the same about 9s.
Yeah. Also Tom Hendrickson looks pretty beastly, I orginally thought he was another Saffer import...
There's a few guys like this that seem really promising. Luke James is another one for me - he's class.
Definitely like the look of Luke James, very calm and talented.
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On the Umaga - Simmonds - Smith chat, this is Umaga's first season out of the academy; the other two have substantially more Prem experience and as such are ahead of him on the development curve, particularly when it comes to game management (as evidenced by that Sale game 
). He does have oodles of natural attacking flair, though, it's a joy to see. Not that the other two are lacking in that area, especially Smith.
). He does have oodles of natural attacking flair, though, it's a joy to see. Not that the other two are lacking in that area, especially Smith.AT 26 he's a few years older than I'd presumed.
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In Smith's favour is that he has a high place kicking percentage. Working against him is that he has excellent awareness of space, has an eye for a gap and is good at getting a backline going.