Nottingham incident with added London stabbage

[JM2K6]

Remarkable work! Those numbers are definitely all his work and have nothing to do with the police or the Tories!

[Ymx]

Before - 2015

Sadiq Khan: 'I’d do everything in my power to cut stop and search'

Sadiq Khan today promised to drive down the use of stop and search by the Metropolitan Police if he is elected to City Hall.

The Labour mayoral hopeful said he would do everything within his power to continue the reduction of the policing tool. In London stop and search has fallen by 54 per cent since 2010, but the use of a more intelligence-led, targeted approach has led to thousands more arrests.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 24706.html




After - 2022

When will Sadiq Khan admit that stop and search works?


Even as London faces record knife killings, the Mayor continues to undermine a system that has a proven record of tackling crime

…
Stop and search is both a deterrent to carrying weapons and a means to remove those weapons from our streets, but it requires strong political support to work properly – something it certainly hasn’t received during Sadiq Khan’s time as Mayor. The number of crimes solved in London (or sanction detection rate) has fallen from 19.3 per cent to only 8.7 per cent in 2021, despite there being more police on the streets than at any point in almost 20 years

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/0 ... rch-works/

[JM2K6]

Before - 2015

Sadiq Khan: 'I’d do everything in my power to cut stop and search'

Sadiq Khan today promised to drive down the use of stop and search by the Metropolitan Police if he is elected to City Hall.

The Labour mayoral hopeful said he would do everything within his power to continue the reduction of the policing tool. In London stop and search has fallen by 54 per cent since 2010, but the use of a more intelligence-led, targeted approach has led to thousands more arrests.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 24706.html




After - 2022

When will Sadiq Khan admit that stop and search works?


Even as London faces record knife killings, the Mayor continues to undermine a system that has a proven record of tackling crime

…
Stop and search is both a deterrent to carrying weapons and a means to remove those weapons from our streets, but it requires strong political support to work properly – something it certainly hasn’t received during Sadiq Khan’s time as Mayor. The number of crimes solved in London (or sanction detection rate) has fallen from 19.3 per cent to only 8.7 per cent in 2021, despite there being more police on the streets than at any point in almost 20 years

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/0 ... rch-works/

Stop and search is a massively racist system. Shaun Bailey is one of the most dishonest politicians of the last decade and it is laughable to expect anyone to take anything he says at face value.

The police were hugely underfunded and had to make £325m off cuts by 2021. The Mayor was adding extra funding to combat the £700m slashed by the Tories since 2011.

[petej]

Before - 2015

Sadiq Khan: 'I’d do everything in my power to cut stop and search'

Sadiq Khan today promised to drive down the use of stop and search by the Metropolitan Police if he is elected to City Hall.

The Labour mayoral hopeful said he would do everything within his power to continue the reduction of the policing tool. In London stop and search has fallen by 54 per cent since 2010, but the use of a more intelligence-led, targeted approach has led to thousands more arrests.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 24706.html




After - 2022

When will Sadiq Khan admit that stop and search works?


Even as London faces record knife killings, the Mayor continues to undermine a system that has a proven record of tackling crime

…
Stop and search is both a deterrent to carrying weapons and a means to remove those weapons from our streets, but it requires strong political support to work properly – something it certainly hasn’t received during Sadiq Khan’s time as Mayor. The number of crimes solved in London (or sanction detection rate) has fallen from 19.3 per cent to only 8.7 per cent in 2021, despite there being more police on the streets than at any point in almost 20 years

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/0 ... rch-works/

Stop and search is a massively racist system. Shaun Bailey is one of the most dishonest politicians of the last decade and it is laughable to expect anyone to take anything he says at face value.

The police were hugely underfunded and had to make £325m off cuts by 2021. The Mayor was adding extra funding to combat the £700m slashed by the Tories since 2011.

More distraction to add to the pile. Can see the appeal as it is a simple answer to a complex issue. Not only the police cuts but huge cuts to all youth services. A UK wide issue as well so London not unique. Been some stellar work nationwide since the Tories took complete control to increase this type of crime.

[Ymx]

Unfortunately, the truth is that knife crimes themselves are “racist”/ disproportionate to ethnicity.

Black perpetrators represent 53% of knife crime in London, whilst they receive only 31.5% of the searches. So perhaps they’re not so racist, but representative.

As for the terrible Tories underfunding the police services


Up 31%

For reference over the same period GDP has increased by 8%.

[Raggs]

Unfortunately, the truth is that knife crimes themselves are “racist”/ disproportionate to ethnicity.

Black perpetrators represent 53% of knife crime in London, whilst they receive only 31.5% of the searches. So perhaps they’re not so racist, but representative.

As for the terrible Tories underfunding the police services


Up 31%

For reference over the same period GDP has increased by 8%.

And what about if we take it from when the Tories actually took power? Rather than what I suspect was the absolute lowest they took it to.

[Ymx]

I didn’t hand pick the time scale, it was from here.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... 15-to-2023

Though it does show the entire period of Khan, which was 2016.

[Tichtheid]

Are we really saying black kids/adults are more predisposed to violence and knife crime than white kids/adults?


(this is a starter question, there are lots of follow ups)

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... x-hospital

Man arrested after stabbings and pickaxe attack at London hospital, say police
Two people stabbed thought to be maintenance staff at Central Middlesex hospital, and one has life-threatening injuries, Met says

No mention of his race, so safe to presume he's white & hence why YMX hasn't had a wank over it.

[Ymx]

Saw that one - at a hospital.

Shit, it was a pick axe!

[Ymx]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... x-hospital

Man arrested after stabbings and pickaxe attack at London hospital, say police
Two people stabbed thought to be maintenance staff at Central Middlesex hospital, and one has life-threatening injuries, Met says

No mention of his race, so safe to presume he's white & hence why YMX hasn't had a wank over it.

Mate, this is the guardian. The lack of mention of race is usually for the opposite reason.

[sockwithaticket]

Are we really saying black kids/adults are more predisposed to violence and knife crime than white kids/adults?


(this is a starter question, there are lots of follow ups)

Come on Ticht, you're better than that kind of question. I don't think anyone would be so backward as to say that because they're black they're a bit more stabby.

We can say that being black, with all that entails including the migrant experience and racism, systemic or otherwise, over the decades since mass migration of black people to the UK, they're more likely to be in the socio-economic circumstances that drive people to crime and that gang involvement is more likely for young black men, hence their substantial overrepresentation in the stats for knife crime.

[Mahoney]

Black skin colour is an increasingly poor socio-economic indicator anyway; dramatically different generalisations between people of Caribbean background and those of more recent African background in England, as I understand it.

[Insane_Homer]

Mate, this is the guardian. The lack of mention of race is usually for the opposite reason.

Your lack of an immediate frenzied post celebratory wank suggests the opposite.

What do your GBNews, Specy, DailyMail, Telegraph et al feeds/alerts have to say about him?

[petej]

Unfortunately, the truth is that knife crimes themselves are “racist”/ disproportionate to ethnicity.

Black perpetrators represent 53% of knife crime in London, whilst they receive only 31.5% of the searches. So perhaps they’re not so racist, but representative.

As for the terrible Tories underfunding the police services


Up 31%

For reference over the same period GDP has increased by 8%.

If that is the case then increasing police funding is a poor and more expensive way to tackle knife crime compared to funding youth services. The all party parliamentary group on youth crime have covered some of this. Alas funding for the police is a bigger + in an election then funding cheaper things that meant you wouldn't have to increase funding for the police.

[Ymx]

Mate, this is the guardian. The lack of mention of race is usually for the opposite reason.

Your lack of an immediate frenzied post celebratory wank suggests the opposite.

What do your GBNews, Specy, DailyMail, Telegraph et al feeds/alerts have to say about him?

What? You are the one charging in here … posting it, immediately slinging shit.

At the time I posted the Nottingham OP, it wasn’t known at all who it was. But I posted it because it was a pretty horrific incident, evolving.

So piss off with your shite.

[Tichtheid]

Are we really saying black kids/adults are more predisposed to violence and knife crime than white kids/adults?


(this is a starter question, there are lots of follow ups)

Come on Ticht, you're better than that kind of question. I don't think anyone would be so backward as to say that because they're black they're a bit more stabby.

We can say that being black, with all that entails including the migrant experience and racism, systemic or otherwise, over the decades since mass migration of black people to the UK, they're more likely to be in the socio-economic circumstances that drive people to crime and that gang involvement is more likely for young black men, hence their substantial overrepresentation in the stats for knife crime.

Hang on, I did say it was a starter question. There are many follow ups, you outline some of the issues there, but I'd also say that carrying a knife is recorded as a knife crime, if the police are predominantly stopping and searching one demographic of kids then it's more likely that that demographic shows up as being the main perpetrators of that crime. We've been through the profiling thing on here before, the gangs involving other ethnicities are not stopped to the same degree

eg the yoofs who get on the train at five o'clock in the morning here to go home after a night's county lining are pretty much all, or mostly, white, my wife used to see them several days a week when she did the early commute

[inactionman]

Are we really saying black kids/adults are more predisposed to violence and knife crime than white kids/adults?


(this is a starter question, there are lots of follow ups)

Come on Ticht, you're better than that kind of question. I don't think anyone would be so backward as to say that because they're black they're a bit more stabby.

We can say that being black, with all that entails including the migrant experience and racism, systemic or otherwise, over the decades since mass migration of black people to the UK, they're more likely to be in the socio-economic circumstances that drive people to crime and that gang involvement is more likely for young black men, hence their substantial overrepresentation in the stats for knife crime.

Hang on, I did say it was a starter question. There are many follow ups, you outline some of the issues there, but I'd also say that carrying a knife is recorded as a knife crime, if the police are predominantly stopping and searching one demographic of kids then it's more likely that that demographic shows up as being the main perpetrators of that crime. We've been through the profiling thing on here before, the gangs involving other ethnicities are not stopped to the same degree

eg the yoofs who get on the train at five o'clock in the morning here to go home after a night's county lining are pretty much all, or mostly, white, my wife used to see them several days a week when she did the early commute

I'd hope there's more sophistication to the reporting than that - between who is caught in possession of illegal knives, and who is caught using a knife in the committing of a (generally violent) crime.

[petej]

Are we really saying black kids/adults are more predisposed to violence and knife crime than white kids/adults?


(this is a starter question, there are lots of follow ups)

Come on Ticht, you're better than that kind of question. I don't think anyone would be so backward as to say that because they're black they're a bit more stabby.

We can say that being black, with all that entails including the migrant experience and racism, systemic or otherwise, over the decades since mass migration of black people to the UK, they're more likely to be in the socio-economic circumstances that drive people to crime and that gang involvement is more likely for young black men, hence their substantial overrepresentation in the stats for knife crime.

Hang on, I did say it was a starter question. There are many follow ups, you outline some of the issues there, but I'd also say that carrying a knife is recorded as a knife crime, if the police are predominantly stopping and searching one demographic of kids then it's more likely that that demographic shows up as being the main perpetrators of that crime. We've been through the profiling thing on here before, the gangs involving other ethnicities are not stopped to the same degree

eg the yoofs who get on the train at five o'clock in the morning here to go home after a night's county lining are pretty much all, or mostly, white, my wife used to see them several days a week when she did the early commute

Ymx has already pointed out, "Black perpetrators represent 53% of knife crime in London, whilst they receive only 31.5% of the searches."

If it was due to stopping searching alone you would expect those percentages to be reversed.

[Tichtheid]

Ymx has already pointed out, "Black perpetrators represent 53% of knife crime in London, whilst they receive only 31.5% of the searches."

If it was due to stopping searching alone you would expect those percentages to be reversed.

The black population makes up 13.5% of the total in London, so nearly a third of all searches is being carried out on a very small proportion

I'm short of time atm, but I'll come back to this.

[Insane_Homer]

Mate, this is the guardian. The lack of mention of race is usually for the opposite reason.

Your lack of an immediate frenzied post celebratory wank suggests the opposite.

What do your GBNews, Specy, DailyMail, Telegraph et al feeds/alerts have to say about him?

What? You are the one charging in here … posting it, immediately slinging shit.

At the time I posted the Nottingham OP, it wasn’t known at all who it was. But I posted it because it was a pretty horrific incident, evolving.

So piss off with your shite.

So white then?

[Ymx]

No idea. They haven’t said.

[Ymx]

For reference this is where I lifted the 53%

10 February 2022
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Despite making up only 13% of London’s total population, black Londoners account for 45% of London’s knife murder victims, 61% of knife murder perpetrators and 53% of knife crime perpetrators.

https://www.london.gov.uk/press-release ... -community

It’s higher for knife murder perpetrators @ 61%


A bit about searches here

Shaun Bailey AM, who proposed the original motion, said:

“Since 2016, sanction detection rates have fallen from 17.3% to just 8.7% last year, despite there being more police on London’s streets than at any point in almost 20 years.

[JM2K6]

Please stop quoting Shaun Bailey. I'm serious, he's as bad as Boris for making shit up. It's impossible to take anything he says at face value, he's an absolute snake.

This is a few years old now, but it's still a well researched and considered piece about both the facts about crime in London and the incredible amount of disinformation about it as well: https://www.onlondon.co.uk/london-mayor ... and-crime/

[Tichtheid]

Purely for the sake of giving real-world numbers as well as statistics, from a BBC article

The number of homicides in London fell in 2022 while teenage killings were halved, the Met Police has revealed.
There were 109 homicides in the capital last year, down from 132 in 2021 and the lowest figure since 2014, police figures show.
Of those deaths, 14 were teenagers, down from 30 the previous year.
Met Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley said each death was "one too many", as the force vowed to tackle violence affecting youngsters.
Of the 109 homicides in 2022, nine of those were shootings, while 69 were fatal stabbings.

[Insane_Homer]

No idea. They haven’t said.

So, not just the Guardian.

[Ymx]

Please stop quoting Shaun Bailey. I'm serious, he's as bad as Boris for making shit up. It's impossible to take anything he says at face value, he's an absolute snake.

It is an official press release. The only part linked to Shaun Bailey was the quote further down the article.

The key part of 53% and the higher number 61% are accurate, for the benefit of doubt.

This is a few years old now, but it's still a well researched and considered piece about both the facts about crime in London and the incredible amount of disinformation about it as well: https://www.onlondon.co.uk/london-mayor ... and-crime/

The article you link to is a low grade opinion fluff piece. It doesn’t even try to hide its bias.

It’s worth noting, though, that this general upward trend began from around 2014, when Johnson was Mayor,

What has Sadiq Khan done and what are his opponents promising? Khan’s political critics have accused him of shifting the blame for rising crime on to the national government, by highlighting the series of budget cuts the Met has had to absorb since the advent of “austerity” in 2010. This argument obscures rather more than it illuminates. It ignores complex questions about what causes crime levels to rise and fall in the first place and presupposes a straightforward relationship between the level of police resources and the amount of offending.

Why have incidents of very serious violence become more common and, in some cases, exceptionally vicious? Rick Muir writes: “The recent increase in serious violence is almost certainly linked to changes in drug markets and the operating models of organised crime groups and networks involved in trafficking drugs”.

[JM2K6]

Probably best to read it rather than skim it, and to click on the copious links to the data.

[Ymx]

And look at the state of the one-eyed nutter

[tabascoboy]

A man has been charged with attempted murder after two people were stabbed at Central Middlesex Hospital in north-west London.

Matteo Bottarelli, 43, of Central Way, Park Royal, has also been charged with two counts of threatening violence with a bladed article in a public place.

It comes after two men, believed to be aged in their 40s, were attacked at the hospital in Park Royal on Wednesday.

Mr Bottarelli will appear at Willesden Magistrates' Court later.

The "bladed article " was apparently a mattock

[Sandstorm]

A man has been charged with attempted murder after two people were stabbed at Central Middlesex Hospital in north-west London.

Matteo Bottarelli, 43, of Central Way, Park Royal, has also been charged with two counts of threatening violence with a bladed article in a public place.

It comes after two men, believed to be aged in their 40s, were attacked at the hospital in Park Royal on Wednesday.

Mr Bottarelli will appear at Willesden Magistrates' Court later.

The "bladed article " was apparently a mattock

Not messing about then.

[Ymx]

Googled his name and this came up.

Unfortunate coincidence

[Insane_Homer]

Fckin' Khan bla bla bla

Man 'stabs himself to death' at Tube station in west London

https://ground.news/article/man-stabs-h ... don_ae8f5b

[Ymx]

Fckin' Khan bla bla bla

Man 'stabs himself to death' at Tube station in west London

https://ground.news/article/man-stabs-h ... don_ae8f5b

Did he accidentally walk in to his own hand knife? flay himself with his trouser machete? Slice himself with his hat razor?

Or just fed up living in LondanisKhan ?

[Insane_Homer]

LondanisKhan

Ah, the good Ol' this guy, black kids and a guy in Nottingham are stabby because the Mayor of London is a Muslim argument

[Sandstorm]

LondanisKhan

Ah, the good Ol' this guy, black kids and a guy in Nottingham are stabby because the Mayor of London is a Muslim argument

The UK is an inclusive, tolerant place.

[Insane_Homer]

LondanisKhan

Ah, the good Ol' this guy, black kids and a guy in Nottingham are stabby because the Mayor of London is a Muslim argument

The UK is an inclusive, tolerant place.

Shush, I'm watching the cricket.

[Ymx]

Shit, I thought it was a new one.

Londongrad
Londonistan

Is Khan to blame for Nottingham one, too? Scotland one? It figures, I knew it.

[Insane_Homer]

You’re getting close …

He’s [...] successfully overseen the highest number of stabbings ever in a year! 14,700 in a year !!!!

Hats off to Genghis !

Source?

[I like neeps]

You’re getting close …

He’s [...] successfully overseen the highest number of stabbings ever in a year! 14,700 in a year !!!!

Hats off to Genghis !

Source?

Source is www.ymxmadeitup.co.nz

What's interesting is ymx is so concerned about London. Why not West Midlands which has the highest rate of knife crime in the UK? Why is he not so disappointed in Andy Street? Qwhite the mystery.