Nottingham incident with added London stabbage

[Ymx]

You’re getting close …

He’s [...] successfully overseen the highest number of stabbings ever in a year! 14,700 in a year !!!!

Hats off to Genghis !

Source?

Source is www.ymxmadeitup.co.nz

What's interesting is ymx is so concerned about London. Why not West Midlands which has the highest rate of knife crime in the UK? Why is he not so disappointed in Andy Street? Qwhite the mystery.

I’ll dig it up. It was ONS or similar. It will be knife crime stats.

I live closer to London is my main reason. But you go ahead with whatever your rhetoric is.

[Ymx]

There you go knob-cheese. Crimes with knives and sharp instruments (not just stabbings, btw - yes I realise I said stabbings above)



source ONS:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... datatables

[Insane_Homer]

So Boris while Mayor oversaw well over 75,000 "stabbings" (2008/2009 stats missing).

Boris also peaked at 13,275 "stabbings" in 2011/2012 - at 160.07 per 100,000 - Khan's "record" 158.15 per 100,000

[Ymx]

There was a peak indeed under Boris. However, he then wrestled it well under control, and left it in a better place (9,100)

Khan then allowed it to slope upwards consistently, until it hit its highest peak (14,700). Probably through his soft on search shambles failing. Then London was hugely spared through Covid (10,500). But, even then, it was still worse than what he picked up (9,100). I hate to think where that 14,700 would have been had it not been for COVID.

[Masterji]

He was mental. That's all you need to know. The lack of news is a clear indication he was nutsba and the wagons are being circled. It follows the same pattern

He is a nut job but if he was a muslim nut job, it matters not.

Well, I think there is a distinction between those who are neurodivergent and those who have been indoctrinated in to a jihadi organisation.

Ask their victims? Does it hurt less when stabbed by one type of nut case and not the other. The religious nut jobs you talk about are also mentally ill, when have been adducted to drugs or have been in prison. The one thing we know about the guys that create these distinctions is that they are hypocrites to a person.

[Ymx]

It’s gone mad in London Area.


A man in his forties has died after being fatally stabbed in a street in north London.
Emergency services were called to Pinner Road in Harrow at about 6:00 BST on Saturday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-l ... 142163.amp


Man arrested after two people injured in Surbiton stabbing attacks
One person is believed to have been assaulted at the Crowne Plaza Hotel, while the other man was attacked at the BMW garage next door.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/surb ... 93188.html

[C69]

It’s gone mad in London Area.


A man in his forties has died after being fatally stabbed in a street in north London.
Emergency services were called to Pinner Road in Harrow at about 6:00 BST on Saturday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-l ... 142163.amp


Man arrested after two people injured in Surbiton stabbing attacks
One person is believed to have been assaulted at the Crowne Plaza Hotel, while the other man was attacked at the BMW garage next door.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/surb ... 93188.html

The Government has lost control of every sector of society.
Destroying public services and impoverishment of swathes of people with austerity has its consequences.

[Insane_Homer]

Don't forget about that woman who killed 2 kids with her Land Rover in Wimbledon

[Ymx]

Don't forget about that woman who killed 2 kids with her Land Rover in Wimbledon

Was worried about that one, it turns out it was a seizure, rather than a deliberate stab attack.

[Ymx]

It’s gone mad in London Area.


A man in his forties has died after being fatally stabbed in a street in north London.
Emergency services were called to Pinner Road in Harrow at about 6:00 BST on Saturday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-l ... 142163.amp


Man arrested after two people injured in Surbiton stabbing attacks
One person is believed to have been assaulted at the Crowne Plaza Hotel, while the other man was attacked at the BMW garage next door.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/surb ... 93188.html

The Government has lost control of every sector of society.
Destroying public services and impoverishment of swathes of people with austerity has its consequences.

The Labour councils have failed to manage their police in so many areas, despite the funding offered.

[C69]

It’s gone mad in London Area.


A man in his forties has died after being fatally stabbed in a street in north London.
Emergency services were called to Pinner Road in Harrow at about 6:00 BST on Saturday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-l ... 142163.amp


Man arrested after two people injured in Surbiton stabbing attacks
One person is believed to have been assaulted at the Crowne Plaza Hotel, while the other man was attacked at the BMW garage next door.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/surb ... 93188.html

The Government has lost control of every sector of society.
Destroying public services and impoverishment of swathes of people with austerity has its consequences.

The Labour councils have failed to manage their police in so many areas, despite the funding offered.

I put the massive cuts in police numbers down to the government. It's their watch no one else's.
Cutting vital public sector staff like police has repercussions.

[Raggs]

So Boris while Mayor oversaw well over 75,000 "stabbings" (2008/2009 stats missing).

Boris also peaked at 13,275 "stabbings" in 2011/2012 - at 160.07 per 100,000 - Khan's "record" 158.15 per 100,000

Was that actual stabbings? Cos that many stabbings vs general "crimes with knives" seems massively higher. At a complete guess, I'd have to imagine there's a lot more "crimes with knives" than stabbings. Read a story about a bloke who got arrested recently after packing his knife collection up securely, and carrying it in boxes on the bus since he was moving house. That would come under "crimes with knives" but is a long way from a stabbing!

[petej]

The Government has lost control of every sector of society.
Destroying public services and impoverishment of swathes of people with austerity has its consequences.

The Labour councils have failed to manage their police in so many areas, despite the funding offered.

I put the massive cuts in police numbers down to the government. It's their watch no one else's.
Cutting vital public sector staff like police has repercussions.

The police side is basically too late plus police doing lots of none police work as other services have been cut. Prevention is always under valued.

[Insane_Homer]

Was that actual stabbings?

Only in YMX's world.

[SaintK]

It’s gone mad in London Area.


A man in his forties has died after being fatally stabbed in a street in north London.
Emergency services were called to Pinner Road in Harrow at about 6:00 BST on Saturday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-l ... 142163.amp


Man arrested after two people injured in Surbiton stabbing attacks
One person is believed to have been assaulted at the Crowne Plaza Hotel, while the other man was attacked at the BMW garage next door.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/surb ... 93188.html

The Government has lost control of every sector of society.
Destroying public services and impoverishment of swathes of people with austerity has its consequences.

The Labour councils have failed to manage their police in so many areas, despite the funding offered.

Have a guess are how many of the 35 Police and Crime Commissioners in England who control the local police budgets are from the Labour party?

[JM2K6]

It’s gone mad in London Area.


A man in his forties has died after being fatally stabbed in a street in north London.
Emergency services were called to Pinner Road in Harrow at about 6:00 BST on Saturday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-l ... 142163.amp


Man arrested after two people injured in Surbiton stabbing attacks
One person is believed to have been assaulted at the Crowne Plaza Hotel, while the other man was attacked at the BMW garage next door.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/surb ... 93188.html

The Government has lost control of every sector of society.
Destroying public services and impoverishment of swathes of people with austerity has its consequences.

The Labour councils have failed to manage their police in so many areas, despite the funding offered.

I'm struggling to understand this accusation. My understanding is that the local councils provide only a third of the funding a police force receives, with the vast majority coming from the government instead (see here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... user-guide ). It is not at all clear to me how much power a council has over the police force.

Take Surbiton (from the above stabbing), for example. That's part of Surrey, and the Surrey Police Force has just replaced their former Chief Constable Gavin Stephens with a new guy, Tim de Mayer. Both are experienced police officers. The appointment was agreed by the Surrey Police and Crime Panel, who are described as such:

The role of the Panel will be to examine the actions and decisions of Surrey's Police and Crime Commissioner and to make sure information is available for the public so that they can hold their Commissioner to account.

The Panel is a committee of Surrey County Council, and consists of one elected councillor from each of Surrey's twelve local authorities and two co-opted independent members.

Further to that, Surrey has a Police and Crime Commissioner:

The Commissioner is responsible for setting the strategic objectives for policing in the county.

This includes setting and updating a police and crime plan, setting the force budget and precept, and appointing, and where necessary dismissing, the Chief Constable. The Police and Crime Panel will play a key role in scrutinising decisions made by the Commissioner in connection to these responsibilities.

These new arrangements are designed to increase transparency of the delivery of policing services, and to give the public the ability to ensure their police are accountable. As such, the Chief Constable of Surrey Police is accountable to the Commissioner, and the Commissioner is accountable to the electorate.

That to me suggests that unlike with the Met - who are ultimately governed by the Home Office - there's quite a bit of power in local government. But I don't know the reality of this. Surrey's current Police and Crime Commissioner is a Tory who's been in place for two years. She replaced David Munro, another Tory. It would be very easy for me to point fingers at the Tories in charge of Surbiton's policing but how much power can you actually wield if you don't control the purse strings? How much does the government of the day control local police forces, beyond funding? I just don't know the answer to those questions - if you can explain it to a layman, I'd be really grateful. It's slightly embarrassing that I don't know how this stuff works in places outside of London.

[Line6 HXFX]

Seems to be a real preponderance of abuse crazy angry arseholses about recently,
Had some black guy just lose his shit at me the other week for nothing, when i was waiting for a bus,

I was called a cunt, disgusting, everything under the sun.

Not saying its a race or reliigious thing (he was callihg me "white" as an insult) but the bloke seemed utterly appalled at me on a biblical, race hate preacher level..like I was some sort of demon. Shook me up a bit.
Had been abusing everyone for like an hour, so not just me otherwise I would have taken it personally.
You can easily imagine a walking puddle of hatred like him doing something nuts.

Some people really need their meds.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

The Government has lost control of every sector of society.
Destroying public services and impoverishment of swathes of people with austerity has its consequences.

The Labour councils have failed to manage their police in so many areas, despite the funding offered.

I'm struggling to understand this accusation. My understanding is that the local councils provide only a third of the funding a police force receives, with the vast majority coming from the government instead (see here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... user-guide ). It is not at all clear to me how much power a council has over the police force.

Take Surbiton (from the above stabbing), for example. That's part of Surrey, and the Surrey Police Force has just replaced their former Chief Constable Gavin Stephens with a new guy, Tim de Mayer. Both are experienced police officers. The appointment was agreed by the Surrey Police and Crime Panel, who are described as such:

The role of the Panel will be to examine the actions and decisions of Surrey's Police and Crime Commissioner and to make sure information is available for the public so that they can hold their Commissioner to account.

The Panel is a committee of Surrey County Council, and consists of one elected councillor from each of Surrey's twelve local authorities and two co-opted independent members.

Further to that, Surrey has a Police and Crime Commissioner:

The Commissioner is responsible for setting the strategic objectives for policing in the county.

This includes setting and updating a police and crime plan, setting the force budget and precept, and appointing, and where necessary dismissing, the Chief Constable. The Police and Crime Panel will play a key role in scrutinising decisions made by the Commissioner in connection to these responsibilities.

These new arrangements are designed to increase transparency of the delivery of policing services, and to give the public the ability to ensure their police are accountable. As such, the Chief Constable of Surrey Police is accountable to the Commissioner, and the Commissioner is accountable to the electorate.

That to me suggests that unlike with the Met - who are ultimately governed by the Home Office - there's quite a bit of power in local government. But I don't know the reality of this. Surrey's current Police and Crime Commissioner is a Tory who's been in place for two years. She replaced David Munro, another Tory. It would be very easy for me to point fingers at the Tories in charge of Surbiton's policing but how much power can you actually wield if you don't control the purse strings? How much does the government of the day control local police forces, beyond funding? I just don't know the answer to those questions - if you can explain it to a layman, I'd be really grateful. It's slightly embarrassing that I don't know how this stuff works in places outside of London.

Minor point of order. Surbiton isn't in Surrey. Technically the stabbings didn't take place in Surbiton.

<EDIT> First responders would likely have been from Kingston as it's the closest police station.

[tabascoboy]

There is clearly a problem with rising knife crime nationwide, not sure much is gained by trying to politicise it

An adult has been taken to hospital with a suspected stab wound following an incident at Tewkesbury School, police say
The school in Gloucestershire is in lockdown after the incident
Police say they were called on Monday morning after a report that a pupil had stabbed a teacher
A teenage boy has been arrested
Tewkesbury is a state school for 11 to 18-year-olds

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-66151983

[Yeeb]

Seems to be a real preponderance of abuse crazy angry arseholses about recently,
Had some black guy just lose his shit at me the other week for nothing, when i was waiting for a bus,

I was called a cunt, disgusting, everything under the sun.

Not saying its a race or reliigious thing (he was callihg me "white" as an insult) but the bloke seemed utterly appalled at me on a biblical, race hate preacher level..like I was some sort of demon. Shook me up a bit.
Had been abusing everyone for like an hour, so not just me otherwise I would have taken it personally.
You can easily imagine a walking puddle of hatred like him doing something nuts.

Some people really need their meds.

Black geezer in Merthyr Tydfil ??

You should have just thrown some of your scabs at him

[JM2K6]

The Labour councils have failed to manage their police in so many areas, despite the funding offered.

I'm struggling to understand this accusation. My understanding is that the local councils provide only a third of the funding a police force receives, with the vast majority coming from the government instead (see here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... user-guide ). It is not at all clear to me how much power a council has over the police force.

Take Surbiton (from the above stabbing), for example. That's part of Surrey, and the Surrey Police Force has just replaced their former Chief Constable Gavin Stephens with a new guy, Tim de Mayer. Both are experienced police officers. The appointment was agreed by the Surrey Police and Crime Panel, who are described as such:

The role of the Panel will be to examine the actions and decisions of Surrey's Police and Crime Commissioner and to make sure information is available for the public so that they can hold their Commissioner to account.

The Panel is a committee of Surrey County Council, and consists of one elected councillor from each of Surrey's twelve local authorities and two co-opted independent members.

Further to that, Surrey has a Police and Crime Commissioner:

The Commissioner is responsible for setting the strategic objectives for policing in the county.

This includes setting and updating a police and crime plan, setting the force budget and precept, and appointing, and where necessary dismissing, the Chief Constable. The Police and Crime Panel will play a key role in scrutinising decisions made by the Commissioner in connection to these responsibilities.

These new arrangements are designed to increase transparency of the delivery of policing services, and to give the public the ability to ensure their police are accountable. As such, the Chief Constable of Surrey Police is accountable to the Commissioner, and the Commissioner is accountable to the electorate.

That to me suggests that unlike with the Met - who are ultimately governed by the Home Office - there's quite a bit of power in local government. But I don't know the reality of this. Surrey's current Police and Crime Commissioner is a Tory who's been in place for two years. She replaced David Munro, another Tory. It would be very easy for me to point fingers at the Tories in charge of Surbiton's policing but how much power can you actually wield if you don't control the purse strings? How much does the government of the day control local police forces, beyond funding? I just don't know the answer to those questions - if you can explain it to a layman, I'd be really grateful. It's slightly embarrassing that I don't know how this stuff works in places outside of London.

Minor point of order. Surbiton isn't in Surrey. Technically the stabbings didn't take place in Surbiton.

<EDIT> First responders would likely have been from Kingston as it's the closest police station.

Christ. You'd think I'd know that given I lived in Surbiton for ages. I always put it down as Surrey but that's historic shit apparently. So they're actually under the remit of the Met.

[Ymx]

As for the terrible Tories underfunding the police services


Up 31%

For reference over the same period GDP has increased by 8%.

^^^^
This to the lazy comments about under-funding by the Tory’s

[Insane_Homer]

There is clearly a problem with rising knife crime nationwide, not sure much is gained by trying to politicise it

An adult has been taken to hospital with a suspected stab wound following an incident at Tewkesbury School, police say
The school in Gloucestershire is in lockdown after the incident
Police say they were called on Monday morning after a report that a pupil had stabbed a teacher
A teenage boy has been arrested
Tewkesbury is a state school for 11 to 18-year-olds

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-66151983

Someone will be along soon claiming Cheltenham is part of greater London.

[C69]

As for the terrible Tories underfunding the police services


Up 31%

For reference over the same period GDP has increased by 8%.

^^^^
This to the lazy comments about under-funding by the Tory’s

Please feel free to address the issue about police numbers being cut.

[Ymx]

[Raggs]

As for the terrible Tories underfunding the police services


Up 31%

For reference over the same period GDP has increased by 8%.

^^^^
This to the lazy comments about under-funding by the Tory’s

Up 31% from that time. Up from how much from when the Tories actually took power? Then up how much when taking into account inflation?

[Raggs]

Here we go:

https://fullfact.org/crime/police-fundi ... and-wales/

In real terms, government funding fell by 30% from 2010/11 to 2018/19. Leading to a real term overall loss in funding of 19%.

In your diagram, 2018/19 is about £8bn, which in todays terms would be about £9.7bn which is roughly what your graph shows, so basically no real world increase, but at least no further drop I guess, so still down 30% from central government funding beforehand.

[Ymx]

Can’t arrest way out of this, it’s complicated, says the complete failure.

[Ymx]

Here we go:

https://fullfact.org/crime/police-fundi ... and-wales/

In real terms, government funding fell by 30% from 2010/11 to 2018/19. Leading to a real term overall loss in funding of 19%.

In your diagram, 2018/19 is about £8bn, which in todays terms would be about £9.7bn which is roughly what your graph shows, so basically no real world increase, but at least no further drop I guess, so still down 30% from central government funding beforehand.

Per GDP terms are more important when analysing the relative spending amount in terms of resource available, for obvious reasons.

But obviously the “no money left” after Labour had an impact, though since around 2015 it’s been increased significantly.

And that’s a long time ago ….

[Ymx]

The comment “To providing young Londoners with meaningful and engaging activities” I just can’t believe.

Even after all the stabbing he’s overseen, he thinks the answer lies with youth not being bored.

[Hal Jordan]

YMX, word to the wise, never go full bimbo.

[tabascoboy]

YMX, word to the wise, never go full bimbo.

Abandon thread!

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Was this indeed the first known instance of gallows humour being employed in a workplace?

[Ymx]

YMX, word to the wise, never go full bimbo.

Thanks, helpful.