The Brexit Thread

[tabascoboy]

Well it just took a few years for them to get fed up waiting for some semblance of reason to break out in the Tory party.

Vauxhall-maker warns Brexit may force it to close UK factory

One of the world's biggest carmakers has warned it may have to close UK factories if the government does not renegotiate the Brexit deal.

Stellantis, which owns Vauxhall, Peugeot, Citroen and Fiat, had committed to making electric cars in the UK, but says that is under threat.

It warned it could face tariffs of 10% on exports to the EU due to rules on where parts are sourced from.

The government said it was "determined" UK car making will remain competitive.

"If the cost of electric vehicle manufacturing in the UK becomes uncompetitive and unsustainable, operations will close," Stellantis said.

It is the first time a car firm has openly called on the government to renegotiate the terms of the Brexit trade deal.

Stellantis called on ministers to come to an agreement with the EU to keep rules as they are until 2027, and it also wants arrangements for manufacturing parts in Serbia and Morocco to be reviewed.

Just two years ago, the world's fourth biggest car maker said the future of its Ellesmere Port and Luton plants was secure.

But in a submission to a Commons inquiry into electric car production, the firm said current trade rules posed a "threat to our export business and the sustainability of our UK manufacturing operations".
...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65612295

Funny on Twitter, people saying it's not Brexit since industries have been closing/relocating away from the UK since the days of Thatcher. Well, that makes it all good then, well done the Tories!

[laurent]

Well it just took a few years for them to get fed up waiting for some semblance of reason to break out in the Tory party.

Vauxhall-maker warns Brexit may force it to close UK factory

One of the world's biggest carmakers has warned it may have to close UK factories if the government does not renegotiate the Brexit deal.

Stellantis, which owns Vauxhall, Peugeot, Citroen and Fiat, had committed to making electric cars in the UK, but says that is under threat.

It warned it could face tariffs of 10% on exports to the EU due to rules on where parts are sourced from.

The government said it was "determined" UK car making will remain competitive.

"If the cost of electric vehicle manufacturing in the UK becomes uncompetitive and unsustainable, operations will close," Stellantis said.

It is the first time a car firm has openly called on the government to renegotiate the terms of the Brexit trade deal.

Stellantis called on ministers to come to an agreement with the EU to keep rules as they are until 2027, and it also wants arrangements for manufacturing parts in Serbia and Morocco to be reviewed.

Just two years ago, the world's fourth biggest car maker said the future of its Ellesmere Port and Luton plants was secure.

But in a submission to a Commons inquiry into electric car production, the firm said current trade rules posed a "threat to our export business and the sustainability of our UK manufacturing operations".
...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65612295

Funny on Twitter, people saying it's not Brexit since industries have been closing/relocating away from the UK since the days of Thatcher. Well, that makes it all good then, well done the Tories!

PSA + Fiat are Laughing their Arses off...

[tabascoboy]

[dpedin]

Well it just took a few years for them to get fed up waiting for some semblance of reason to break out in the Tory party.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65612295

Funny on Twitter, people saying it's not Brexit since industries have been closing/relocating away from the UK since the days of Thatcher. Well, that makes it all good then, well done the Tories!

PSA + Fiat are Laughing their Arses off...

EU protecting their own EU markets ... what feckin surprise. UK 'Johnny no mates' stuck outside its biggest market and can't meet its own deal requirements pleading to be let in ... what a feckin surprise. When are these feckin brexiteers ever going to admit that it is a complete absolute shitshow and at the very least we need to negotiate entry back into SM and CU before the UK completely implodes? Last person still standing and able to pay their bills please turn the lights out.

[Insane_Homer]

Summary
New figures show UK net migration reached 606,000 in 2022
It's a record figure for a full year - although slightly less than predicted
Immigration was estimated at 1.2m, with emigration around 557,000
Around 114,000 people came from Ukraine and about 52,000 from Hong Kong
Separate data shows the backlog of asylum seekers waiting for a decision has risen to 172,758
In their 2019 manifesto, the Conservatives promised migration would come down

and...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... y-30063503

Nothing in Britain works anymore, say overwhelming majority of Red Wall voters
Despairing voters think the UK is a country in decline according to a grim survey to mark the launch of left-leaning think tank, The New Britain Project

Red Wall voters were even more despairing than the country overall

Three out of four Red Wall voters think nothing in Britain works anymore, a depressing poll reveals today.

In a fresh blow to the Tories’ election chances in former Labour strongholds the party seized in December 2019, 91% believe “things are worse than before” and 80% think the social contract - the idea of a society based on moral and political rules of behaviour - has collapsed.

[fishfoodie]

What a fucking cretin.

Boris Johnson blundered into a crucial Brexit trade deal concession with Australia over a chaotic dinner with prime minister Scott Morrison at No 10, it was claimed today.

He was bounced into signing a disastrous post-Brexit agreement after the Australians seized on a schoolboy howler over meat import quotas during negotiations.

An Australian official made an excuse to go to the Downing Street loo, had Mr Johnson’s concession hurriedly drawn up into a formal agreement and took it back to No 10 where the then-PM signed it before the dinner with Mr Morrison ended.

To cap it all, Mr Johnson is said to have told the Australians he was doing it because he wanted to apologise to them for Britain joining the EU 50 years ago.

A furious Liz Truss, then international trade secretary, tried to unstitch the deal but was told by the gleeful Australians that her boss Mr Johnson had already “given away the kingdom”.

The extraordinary account of how Britain’s post-Brexit trade deal with Australia – condemned as a sell-out by British farmers – was handled by Mr Johnson appeared on the Politico political website.

According to the report of the 14 June 2021 dinner, Mr Johnson agreed to measure beef imports by the weight of only cuts of meat, rather than the entire cow, which is much heavier.

By agreeing to measure Australian meat exports to the UK by the former, not the latter, he effectively signed off a massive increase in how much meat Australia can send to Britain, it is alleged.

Australian high commissioner George Brandis scrawled down the unexpected bonus and fled to the loo. On the way he gave it to an aide to scan and turn in a trade document – before it was returned to the dinner for Mr Johnson to sign.

[Insane_Homer]

Tip of iceberg no doubt. The damage that arsehole has done will still be felt 20 years from now.

[_Os_]

They're lying about the CPTPP again.

I reckon even the rounding error increase in GDP is optimistic, it's underestimating countries like Japan/Aus/NZ/Malaysia/Canada/Chile/Mexico, and overestimating UK agri's ability to compete without scale and without government prioritisation. They never say which of the these countries the UK already had trade deals with, which is all of them other than Malaysia. CPTPP is also goods focused when the UK has a services based economy. In other words it's an extremely limited trade boost because the terms of trade haven't changed much, CPTPP still means some tariffs/customs control/visas. They also never mention that joining the CPTPP holes a lot of the arguments in support of Brexit, because non-UK companies in the CPTPP countries now have the right to sue the UK government (Investor State Dispute Settlement/ISDS) if their profits are threatened, examples of this even include raising the minimum wage or making affordable essential services mandatory. About the only tangible thing joining the CPTPP has done is essentially put a court process above the UK courts and above the UK parliament.

My prediction is CPTPP will become a lightning rod issue for the agri sector. Quite hard to argue about the technical elements of trade deals and leaving the EU. Really easy for a farmer to say "CPTPP has fucked us".

[tabascoboy]

Well, in the Brave New World of Sunlit Uplands, the 0.08% of GDP which we could get from CPTPP in a decade’s time is greater than the 4% we lost to Brexit

[dpedin]

Brexit shit will really hit the fan when the UK introduce tariffs and border checks on EU goods coming into UK at the Border. This will hit supply and prices of a huge range of food and non-food goods ie chemicals, when introduced. Expect shortages on shelves in supermarkets and supply issues for businesses once they hit and many EU transport companies just give up the ghost when hitting the queues at Dover. The shitshow just gets worse and worse and the Gov knows it which is why I suspect they might go for early Autumn election. If they dont then these new import restrictions will be their death knell.

[tabascoboy]

Come on everyone! Think of the "Pork Markets!"

The UK will only see the full benefit of a new trade deal with 11 Asia and Pacific nations if we use it, the Business Secretary has told the BBC.

Kemi Badenoch's comments came after she signed off the deal with a trade area that covers about 500 million people.

The agreement is predicted to only bring marginal gains to the UK economy.

However, Ms Badenoch told the Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg programme that the key thing was how businesses "utilise the agreement".

[petej]

Come on everyone! Think of the "Pork Markets!"

The UK will only see the full benefit of a new trade deal with 11 Asia and Pacific nations if we use it, the Business Secretary has told the BBC.

Kemi Badenoch's comments came after she signed off the deal with a trade area that covers about 500 million people.

The agreement is predicted to only bring marginal gains to the UK economy.

However, Ms Badenoch told the Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg programme that the key thing was how businesses "utilise the agreement".

Basically believe more in brexit.

[dpedin]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66224588

Brexit going well then? Can't see the Polish builders coming back here now nor Eastern European fruit pickers given low value of the £ and promises of 80% of the going rate for the job. Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot ... or in this case both feet and head!

[fishfoodie]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66224588

Brexit going well then? Can't see the Polish builders coming back here now nor Eastern European fruit pickers given low value of the £ and promises of 80% of the going rate for the job. Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot ... or in this case both feet and head!

Well they're not going to come when your next door neighbour is experiencing a booming economy, a massive housing shortage, & won't put them thru any of the bullshit associated with them working in the UK

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/more-b ... 023-07-17/

LONDON, July 18 (Reuters) - The proportion of Britons who say Brexit was a mistake hit a new record high this month, a survey from pollsters YouGov showed on Tuesday.

With few economic benefits to show for the June 2016 vote to leave the European Union, 57% of Britons said the decision to leave the European Union in 2016 was the wrong one, compared with 32% who thought it was correct.

More than half - 55% - said they would vote to rejoin the EU, against 31% who said they would stay out, if a referendum were to be held today.

[Line6 HXFX]

Most thinking people said all this before brexit, predicted every last thing. Argued verciferously against it. Now its all happenned or happenning I just feel like shit.

This is going to be the state of the country till we die.
Perpetual crisis.

Talking won't do anything.
I told you so's won't do anything.
The Labour Party won't do anything, they are terrified of the right wing press.

Welsh, Scottish and N.I. independence is litterally the only hope.

[Biffer]

Come on everyone! Think of the "Pork Markets!"

The UK will only see the full benefit of a new trade deal with 11 Asia and Pacific nations if we use it, the Business Secretary has told the BBC.

Kemi Badenoch's comments came after she signed off the deal with a trade area that covers about 500 million people.

The agreement is predicted to only bring marginal gains to the UK economy.

However, Ms Badenoch told the Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg programme that the key thing was how businesses "utilise the agreement".

Desperately trying to make it someone else's fault from day one.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Most thinking people said all this before brexit, predicted every last thing. Argued verciferously against it. Now its all happenned or happenning I just feel like shit.

This is going to be the state of the country till we die.
Perpetual crisis.

Talking won't do anything.
I told you so's won't do anything.
The Labour Party won't do anything, they are terrified of the right wing press.

Welsh, Scottish and N.I. independence is litterally the only hope.

1. Talking won't do anything. An odd claim as really the choices are talking or fighting in terms of moving society from one position to another. If you actually want the fighting my apologies. If you're simply bored of the talking, well tough, that's what there is.

2. I told you so's won't do anything. Depends on the context, less helpful if seeking votes in an election from those who previously voted against what you may have considered the best interests of the nation, but if you're simply looking to take the piss out of people who voted Brexit or Tory then fill your boots.

3. The Labour Party won't do anything, they are terrified of the right wing press. Another odd claim, okay the Labour Party is worried of the press, perhaps reasonably so in part, perhaps too much so however, but they will do things, maybe not enough, maybe not quite the things you want, but they won't do nothing.

4. Welsh, Scottish and N.I. independence is litterally the only hope. Normally spelt with just the one 't' but whatever this is somewhat Trumpian in its take, that the answer to a bad situation is to do something potentially far more damaging again. Brexit highlights the risks of losing access to major trading partners, and there's no guarantee independence delivers security, currency, desired access to the EU and/or English markets.... It's the student anarchist's take, I'm bored so just burned everything down and don't worry what comes next will obviously be better with no risk things could be much, much worse.

[dpedin]

Most thinking people said all this before brexit, predicted every last thing. Argued verciferously against it. Now its all happenned or happenning I just feel like shit.

This is going to be the state of the country till we die.
Perpetual crisis.

Talking won't do anything.
I told you so's won't do anything.
The Labour Party won't do anything, they are terrified of the right wing press.

Welsh, Scottish and N.I. independence is litterally the only hope.

1. Talking won't do anything. An odd claim as really the choices are talking or fighting in terms of moving society from one position to another. If you actually want the fighting my apologies. If you're simply bored of the talking, well tough, that's what there is.

2. I told you so's won't do anything. Depends on the context, less helpful if seeking votes in an election from those who previously voted against what you may have considered the best interests of the nation, but if you're simply looking to take the piss out of people who voted Brexit or Tory then fill your boots.

3. The Labour Party won't do anything, they are terrified of the right wing press. Another odd claim, okay the Labour Party is worried of the press, perhaps reasonably so in part, perhaps too much so however, but they will do things, maybe not enough, maybe not quite the things you want, but they won't do nothing.

4. Welsh, Scottish and N.I. independence is litterally the only hope. Normally spelt with just the one 't' but whatever this is somewhat Trumpian in its take, that the answer to a bad situation is to do something potentially far more damaging again. Brexit highlights the risks of losing access to major trading partners, and there's no guarantee independence delivers security, currency, desired access to the EU and/or English markets.... It's the student anarchist's take, I'm bored so just burned everything down and don't worry what comes next will obviously be better with no risk things could be much, much worse.

Brexit is a bit like those religious nuts who have a nutter as a leader who claim the world will end on Tuesday, give their leader all their worldly goods and then wait with baited breath for it to end ... and of course it doesn't so they claim it was the wrong Tuesday, the wrong year, they got their message from God mixed up or us unbelievers are the reason why it didn't happen. They don't admit their God was wrong they just go away, pray harder and pick another Tuesday. Brexit has many parallels with Scientology?

Like Scientology, Brexit is just a scam, just like many of these religions are, led by dodgy self appointed god like figures such as the Blonde Bumblecunt, whilst the shady figures behind the scenes make lots and lots of dosh out of a disastrous decision. The Brexit believers are brainwashed and so bought into the cult they cant see the wood for the trees and are so invested in it that it would hurt them hugely - financially, politically and personally - to admit they were hoodwinked so they dig in deeper and become even more cultish. How will it end? I am not sure we will end up with their leader asking for a mass suicide but economically that is what has happened! I suspect like many historical events it will just fade away, we will rejoin and everyone will claim it wasn't them who were involved in Brexit, it was them over there.

[petej]

Most thinking people said all this before brexit, predicted every last thing. Argued verciferously against it. Now its all happenned or happenning I just feel like shit.

This is going to be the state of the country till we die.
Perpetual crisis.

Talking won't do anything.
I told you so's won't do anything.
The Labour Party won't do anything, they are terrified of the right wing press.

Welsh, Scottish and N.I. independence is litterally the only hope.

1. Talking won't do anything. An odd claim as really the choices are talking or fighting in terms of moving society from one position to another. If you actually want the fighting my apologies. If you're simply bored of the talking, well tough, that's what there is.

2. I told you so's won't do anything. Depends on the context, less helpful if seeking votes in an election from those who previously voted against what you may have considered the best interests of the nation, but if you're simply looking to take the piss out of people who voted Brexit or Tory then fill your boots.

3. The Labour Party won't do anything, they are terrified of the right wing press. Another odd claim, okay the Labour Party is worried of the press, perhaps reasonably so in part, perhaps too much so however, but they will do things, maybe not enough, maybe not quite the things you want, but they won't do nothing.

4. Welsh, Scottish and N.I. independence is litterally the only hope. Normally spelt with just the one 't' but whatever this is somewhat Trumpian in its take, that the answer to a bad situation is to do something potentially far more damaging again. Brexit highlights the risks of losing access to major trading partners, and there's no guarantee independence delivers security, currency, desired access to the EU and/or English markets.... It's the student anarchist's take, I'm bored so just burned everything down and don't worry what comes next will obviously be better with no risk things could be much, much worse.

Brexit is a bit like those religious nuts who have a nutter as a leader who claim the world will end on Tuesday, give their leader all their worldly goods and then wait with baited breath for it to end ... and of course it doesn't so they claim it was the wrong Tuesday, the wrong year, they got their message from God mixed up or us unbelievers are the reason why it didn't happen. They don't admit their God was wrong they just go away, pray harder and pick another Tuesday. Brexit has many parallels with Scientology?

Like Scientology, Brexit is just a scam, just like many of these religions are, led by dodgy self appointed god like figures such as the Blonde Bumblecunt, whilst the shady figures behind the scenes make lots and lots of dosh out of a disastrous decision. The Brexit believers are brainwashed and so bought into the cult they cant see the wood for the trees and are so invested in it that it would hurt them hugely - financially, politically and personally - to admit they were hoodwinked so they dig in deeper and become even more cultish. How will it end? I am not sure we will end up with their leader asking for a mass suicide but economically that is what has happened! I suspect like many historical events it will just fade away, we will rejoin and everyone will claim it wasn't them who were involved in Brexit, it was them over there.

Indeed. The brexit believer's who no longer believe don't have to admit they were hoodwinked because they don't have to admit they voted for brexit. People can easily move to saying farage, Bumblecunt et al are all conmen with dirty money and brexit is shit without an acknowledgement of guilt or responsibility much as those responsible for brexit in government seem to now blame others (eg businesses not talking advantage of the new opportunities). We are moving comfortably in the brexit is really shit stage but still have a fair bit of we've spent vast quantities of resource on it so it must be worth something stage (sunk cost fallacy) before we get to the we should probably reverse this stage (which im expecting once the Tories are out of power).

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Some of the trade deals the Tories are signing up for have little to do with growing the economy, Daily Express headlines notwithstanding, but there are going to make a return to closer ties with the EU problematic. And that last is likely the point.

[Hal Jordan]

It's typical of Brexit Britain this fucking weather though. Unbearable heatwave in Southern Europe, typically British March weather in the UK. If we'd just work with Europe to share the heat around a bit, we'd all be better off. But no, up goes the red white and blue jetstream, blocking out the warmth while making Europeans' lives worse out of spite. Fucking gammons

[Simian]

Most thinking people said all this before brexit, predicted every last thing. Argued verciferously against it. Now its all happenned or happenning I just feel like shit.

This is going to be the state of the country till we die.
Perpetual crisis.

Talking won't do anything.
I told you so's won't do anything.
The Labour Party won't do anything, they are terrified of the right wing press.

Welsh, Scottish and N.I. independence is litterally the only hope.

1. Talking won't do anything. An odd claim as really the choices are talking or fighting in terms of moving society from one position to another. If you actually want the fighting my apologies. If you're simply bored of the talking, well tough, that's what there is.

2. I told you so's won't do anything. Depends on the context, less helpful if seeking votes in an election from those who previously voted against what you may have considered the best interests of the nation, but if you're simply looking to take the piss out of people who voted Brexit or Tory then fill your boots.

3. The Labour Party won't do anything, they are terrified of the right wing press. Another odd claim, okay the Labour Party is worried of the press, perhaps reasonably so in part, perhaps too much so however, but they will do things, maybe not enough, maybe not quite the things you want, but they won't do nothing.

4. Welsh, Scottish and N.I. independence is litterally the only hope. Normally spelt with just the one 't' but whatever this is somewhat Trumpian in its take, that the answer to a bad situation is to do something potentially far more damaging again. Brexit highlights the risks of losing access to major trading partners, and there's no guarantee independence delivers security, currency, desired access to the EU and/or English markets.... It's the student anarchist's take, I'm bored so just burned everything down and don't worry what comes next will obviously be better with no risk things could be much, much worse.

Brexit is a bit like those religious nuts who have a nutter as a leader who claim the world will end on Tuesday, give their leader all their worldly goods and then wait with baited breath for it to end ... and of course it doesn't so they claim it was the wrong Tuesday, the wrong year, they got their message from God mixed up or us unbelievers are the reason why it didn't happen. They don't admit their God was wrong they just go away, pray harder and pick another Tuesday. Brexit has many parallels with Scientology?

Like Scientology, Brexit is just a scam, just like many of these religions are, led by dodgy self appointed god like figures such as the Blonde Bumblecunt, whilst the shady figures behind the scenes make lots and lots of dosh out of a disastrous decision. The Brexit believers are brainwashed and so bought into the cult they cant see the wood for the trees and are so invested in it that it would hurt them hugely - financially, politically and personally - to admit they were hoodwinked so they dig in deeper and become even more cultish. How will it end? I am not sure we will end up with their leader asking for a mass suicide but economically that is what has happened! I suspect like many historical events it will just fade away, we will rejoin and everyone will claim it wasn't them who were involved in Brexit, it was them over there.

Excellent post. This is actually why I think the ‘I told you so’ point is actually an important one. It’s critical that people realise they were conned, realise who conned them, and start to see the need to hold those people accountable. That type of cultural change is needed to prevent so many people voting again for something that was so monumentally fucking stupid.

[Insane_Homer]

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[fishfoodie]

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Describing Ferret face as a person of very low net worth, is incredibly kind

[petej]

Blonde Bumblecunt delivers for British fishing as he has for British manufacturing.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... exit-hopes

[Tichtheid]

UK to retain EU safety mark in latest Brexit climbdown


The UK will retain the EU’s product safety mark indefinitely, in the latest climbdown from proposed post-Brexit changes, after the government bowed to pressure from industry and manufacturers.

The CE (Conformité Européenne) mark is used by the bloc to certify that a wide range of items – from electrical goods and construction materials to medical devices and toys – meet safety standards.

The safety marking had been expected to be replaced by a new UKCA (UK Conformity Assessed) mark for goods sold in Great Britain from the end of 2024, after several extensions to the deadline for the changeover.

Businesses had called on the government to extend the use of the CE mark, saying that forcing them to meet new UK rules, which would initially duplicate EU product standards, would add significant costs at a time when many have been trying to get over the disruption caused by the pandemic and stubbornly high inflation.

The UKCA mark would not have been recognised in the EU, so would have been required only for goods to be sold in Great Britain.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... 5mVP8dp3Ic

[dpedin]

I see that the UK has had its wrists slapped by the EU for writing to each EU country asking how it plans to address the forthcoming border changes for imports into the UK ie adding checks and tariffs etc. UK been told not to try and speak to each country individually and instead deal directly and only with the EU. I suspect that the UK might delay their introduction yet again as it is going to have a catastrophic impact on prices, supply chains and inflation let alone reputational impact of the UK being open for business.

This will be a real unmitigated feckin disaster and it will be interesting to see if the UK blink first. My personal thoughts are the Gov will either delay the introduction yet again and incur the wrath of the EU for breaking the agreement and build a EU baddies scenario again or else they might go for a snap GE before implementation in order to avoid the lose-lose situation they are in ie finish off the economy v admit Brexit was a disaster, and leave the thorny issue for another Gov. I suppose they have taken back control?

[fishfoodie]

I see that the UK has had its wrists slapped by the EU for writing to each EU country asking how it plans to address the forthcoming border changes for imports into the UK ie adding checks and tariffs etc. UK been told not to try and speak to each country individually and instead deal directly and only with the EU. I suspect that the UK might delay their introduction yet again as it is going to have a catastrophic impact on prices, supply chains and inflation let alone reputational impact of the UK being open for business.

This will be a real unmitigated feckin disaster and it will be interesting to see if the UK blink first. My personal thoughts are the Gov will either delay the introduction yet again and incur the wrath of the EU for breaking the agreement and build a EU baddies scenario again or else they might go for a snap GE before implementation in order to avoid the lose-lose situation they are in ie finish off the economy v admit Brexit was a disaster, and leave the thorny issue for another Gov. I suppose they have taken back control?

One of the first, Uh Oh, moments for European leaders was when May was asked by Merkel what the UK wanted for a Brexit deal, & May's response was along the lines of; "well what can you give us ?". That was the moment they realised that the Tories really didn't have a clue, & there wasn't any master plan in the background.

That's the theme for all of this shit.

The Blonde cunt et al were focused on the soundbite of, "Get Brexit Done", "Take Back Control", & never bothered mapping the bullshit slogan to reality, & measuring the consequences.

A very significant amount of food that ends up being served in the UK, comes from Ireland, & because Ireland still has some Politicians who do what they're suppose to, & has a lot of excellent Civil Servants who know their briefs, they have been working on contingency measures since the UK announced that it was holding the Brexit Ref, never mind since the vote was counted !

One of the figures that kind of stuck, was our Government announcing that we'd need to hire thousands of new Vets ( I think the actual figure was 4,000), to deal with both verifying the SPS measures on food being imported from the UK, & also process certificates for food to be sent to the UK.

I might have missed it, but if a Country of 5M people, needs to hire 4k Vets, & we have a massive export surplus, while the UK has needed to import ~60% of it's food since the 50s, how many new Vets has the UK been training to process all this extra work; 40k, 50k ???? or ZERO !

[Tichtheid]

I might have missed it, but if a Country of 5M people, needs to hire 4k Vets, & we have a massive export surplus, while the UK has needed to import ~60% of it's food since the 50s, how many new Vets has the UK been training to process all this extra work; 40k, 50k ???? or ZERO !

I imagine the vet situation is much the like the dentist, doctor and nurse etc situation in the uk, we don't have nearly enough of them

Anecdotally I can say that in the practice I take my dog to, not one vet is of UK origin, the dental practice I go to has no one of UK origin, from the front desk to the dentists themselves, and the GP I saw last week is Spanish.

They are all great, dog only knows why they stay in this shit hole that the Tories have created.

[fishfoodie]

I might have missed it, but if a Country of 5M people, needs to hire 4k Vets, & we have a massive export surplus, while the UK has needed to import ~60% of it's food since the 50s, how many new Vets has the UK been training to process all this extra work; 40k, 50k ???? or ZERO !

I imagine the vet situation is much the like the dentist, doctor and nurse etc situation in the uk, we don't have nearly enough of them

Anecdotally I can say that in the practice I take my dog to, not one vet is of UK origin, the dental practice I go to has no one of UK origin, from the front desk to the dentists themselves, and the GP I saw last week is Spanish.

They are all great, dog only knows why they stay in this shit hole that the Tories have created.

I remember seeing stories EU workers in the NHS hearing the gammon lies from people they were caring for, but often with the, "but not you" , proviso, because it was different for them want all other EU workers ejected, except for the one who was making their life better.

If you're a Vet or a GP from the EU, you have skills that mean you can make a comfortable life for yourself anywhere, the people I felt really sorry for were the workers in care homes etc, who do work that is vital, & horribly undervalued & as a result grossly under paid. I know for sure I don't have what it takes to do this work, no matter how well paid it was, & I sure as hell wouldn't do it in a hostile environment.

[dpedin]

... and there we have it! As predicted the Gov fold on implementing the UK import checks and tariffs given fears of inflation and shortages. I fully expect this to be kicked into the long grass until after a GE and in the interim UK businesses face significant export charges and delays etc whilst EU companies will continue to export into UK market without the same costs and delays. Taking back control, useless Brexiteer feckers couldn't control their own piss!

[fishfoodie]

Even that is a flat out lie.

They aren't not doing it because they are afraid of inflation, they aren't doing it because they haven't the capacity to do it, & that's because they never made the necessary investment, & now the cost of it would blow a hole in budgets already at breaking point.

The problem is that now the WTO is going to get involved, because other 3rd Countries are going to be pissed off at the EU having better unregulated access to the UK, & will either want the same access, or will retaliate against UK trade

[Sandstorm]

Even that is a flat out lie.

They aren't not doing it because they are afraid of inflation, they aren't doing it because they haven't the capacity to do it, & that's because they never made the necessary investment, & now the cost of it would blow a hole in budgets already at breaking point.

The problem is that now the WTO is going to get involved, because other 3rd Countries are going to be pissed off at the EU having better unregulated access to the UK, & will either want the same access, or will retaliate against UK trade

Who didn't see this coming?

[fishfoodie]

UK to retain EU safety mark in latest Brexit climbdown


The UK will retain the EU’s product safety mark indefinitely, in the latest climbdown from proposed post-Brexit changes, after the government bowed to pressure from industry and manufacturers.

The CE (Conformité Européenne) mark is used by the bloc to certify that a wide range of items – from electrical goods and construction materials to medical devices and toys – meet safety standards.

The safety marking had been expected to be replaced by a new UKCA (UK Conformity Assessed) mark for goods sold in Great Britain from the end of 2024, after several extensions to the deadline for the changeover.

Businesses had called on the government to extend the use of the CE mark, saying that forcing them to meet new UK rules, which would initially duplicate EU product standards, would add significant costs at a time when many have been trying to get over the disruption caused by the pandemic and stubbornly high inflation.

The UKCA mark would not have been recognised in the EU, so would have been required only for goods to be sold in Great Britain.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... 5mVP8dp3Ic

Turns out the UKCA hasn't been completely abandoned, there's one piddling little industry that will still have adopt it .... Construction !

But hey, those 40x New Hospitals have all been build, the Education infrastructure is in a fine state of repair, HS2 & Hinkley are on track, & on budget, & you can go for a swim in any of Britains rivers without a care.

The Government has confirmed that the indefinite extension to the use of CE marking for the wider business community in the UK will not apply to construction products.

Following its announcement yesterday, the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities has now confirmed the u-turn on accepting CE marks will not apply to construction products.

The Construction Products Association sought clarification after the latest Government statement spun the construction sector into confusion.

It said that the position for construction will remain the same. That is that the CE mark for construction products will continue until 30 June 2025, when implementation of the UK CA marking scheme is set to become mandatory.

Peter Caplehorn, CPA Chief Executive, said: “We fear that policy makers do not fully understand or appreciate the gravity of this policy position not only for our sector and the construction industry, but indeed for any government ambitions related to the UK’s housing, schools, hospitals, infrastructure and wider built environment.

“The CPA has long argued that every day that manufacturers have to wait for clarification from government causes more damage.

This uncertainty has exacerbated product availability issues, led to UK and foreign manufacturers pulling products from the UK market, diminished investment and R&D, and therefore negatively impacted jobs and the ability of the product sector to support the UK construction industry every day.

“We hope that today’s announcement reflects a new appreciation by policy makers of the cost and burden caused by the CA Mark scheme.

“We will appreciate further discussions with the government to ensure the UK construction products sector sees similar clarity very soon.”

https://www.constructionenquirer.com/20 ... ng-u-turn/

[dpedin]

Interesting post on the consequences of continuation of EU CE mark ... it just gets worse and worse!!!

[Tichtheid]

Interesting post on the consequences of continuation of EU CE mark ... it just gets worse and worse!!!

If only someone had said that this was likely to happen...


In reply to FF, I reckon there will be a cave in on behalf of the construction industry, whether by the current government or the next one, at the moment they are probably trying to save face, no matter the cost to a major industry

[dpedin]

This Brexit malarky is getting better and better!!! Taking back control ya bass!

[dpedin]

... and another one! I getting blinded by these sunlit uplands!

[fishfoodie]

... and another one! I getting blinded by these sunlit uplands!

There's more chance of the BB being faithful to Princess Nut Nut, than there is of the EU granting a better deal on RoO !