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I like neeps wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:22 am

Good stuff from Labour here. A tax policy that benefits asset ownership over, you know, labour is here to stay.

Only difference between Sunak's Tories and Starmer's labour is what? Rwanda?
What is the point in appealing to those voters who will vote for them anyway no matter what? Surely the voter that changes their direction (for whatever reason) is the most important one to appeal to?
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shaggy wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:31 am
I like neeps wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:22 am

Good stuff from Labour here. A tax policy that benefits asset ownership over, you know, labour is here to stay.

Only difference between Sunak's Tories and Starmer's labour is what? Rwanda?
What is the point in appealing to those voters who will vote for them anyway no matter what? Surely the voter that changes their direction (for whatever reason) is the most important one to appeal to?
Yup. It’s also an easy u-turn after Labour win: “Now we see the state of the finances the filthy Tories left us, we have no choice but to introduce a wealth tax”
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Sandstorm wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:41 am
shaggy wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:31 am
I like neeps wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:22 am

Good stuff from Labour here. A tax policy that benefits asset ownership over, you know, labour is here to stay.

Only difference between Sunak's Tories and Starmer's labour is what? Rwanda?
What is the point in appealing to those voters who will vote for them anyway no matter what? Surely the voter that changes their direction (for whatever reason) is the most important one to appeal to?
Yup. It’s also an easy u-turn after Labour win: “Now we see the state of the finances the filthy Tories left us, we have no choice but to introduce a wealth tax”
And as long as they exclude pension pots in that it will only really affect a small number of the population, mostly in the London/SE area, so will have almost no effect on their vote appeal.
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shaggy wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:45 am

And as long as they exclude pension pots in that it will only really affect a small number of the population, mostly in the London/SE area, so will have almost no effect on their vote appeal.
It's actually the sort of policy that does reach far beyond its impact in the voting booth. People are terrified for the day they're going to be hugely wealthy, and e'er so slightly overlook the chances the chances they'll ever be in such boat are vanishingly slim
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Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:16 am
shaggy wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:45 am

And as long as they exclude pension pots in that it will only really affect a small number of the population, mostly in the London/SE area, so will have almost no effect on their vote appeal.
It's actually the sort of policy that does reach far beyond its impact in the voting booth. People are terrified for the day they're going to be hugely wealthy, and e'er so slightly overlook the chances the chances they'll ever be in such boat are vanishingly slim
There are a shit ton of loopholes and avoidance measures that can be removed, that could raise a lot of money.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Biffer wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:49 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:16 am
shaggy wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:45 am

And as long as they exclude pension pots in that it will only really affect a small number of the population, mostly in the London/SE area, so will have almost no effect on their vote appeal.
It's actually the sort of policy that does reach far beyond its impact in the voting booth. People are terrified for the day they're going to be hugely wealthy, and e'er so slightly overlook the chances the chances they'll ever be in such boat are vanishingly slim
There are a shit ton of loopholes and avoidance measures that can be removed, that could raise a lot of money.

I absolutely think they should be doing it, but it is a thing such ideas come with a cost well above what practical penalties it applies in terms of how people vote
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C69 wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:17 am Mad Nad's resignation letter in full. I suspect these sentiments are echoes by a lot of MPs and even more grass roots Boris fans in the Party.
These is now a schism filled Cultist collectionsof self serving rats deserting a sinking ship.

Any money on more resignations and Farage reaching out for a new populist right wing Party?
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Dear Prime Minister,

It has been the greatest honour and privilege of my life to have served the good people of Mid Bedfordshire as their MP for eighteen years and I count myself blessed to have worked in Westminster for almost a quarter of a century. Despite what some in the media and you yourself have implied, my team of caseworkers and I have continued to work for my constituents faithfully and diligently to this day.

When I arrived in Mid Bedfordshire in 2005, I inherited a Conservative majority of 8,000. Over five elections this has increased to almost 25,000, making it one of the safest seats in the country. A legacy I am proud of.

During my time as a Member of Parliament, I have served as a back bencher, a bill Committee Chair, a Parliamentary Under Secretary of State before becoming Minister of State in the Department of Health and Social Care during the Covid crisis, after which I was appointed as Secretary of State at the department of Digital, Culture, Media, and Sport. The offer to continue in my Cabinet role was extended to me by your predecessor, Liz Truss, and I am grateful for your personal phone call on the morning you appointed your cabinet in October, even if I declined to take the call.

As politicians, one of the greatest things we can do is to empower people to have opportunities to achieve their aspirations and to help them to change their lives for the better. In DHSC I championed meaningful improvements to maternity and neonatal safety. I launched the women’s health strategy and pushed forward a national evidence-based trial for Group B Strep testing in pregnant women with the aim to reduce infant deaths. When I resigned as Secretary of State for DCMS I was able to thank the professional, dedicated, and hard-working civil servants for making our department the highest performing in Whitehall. We worked tirelessly to strengthen the Online Safety Bill to protect young people, froze the BBC licence fee, included the sale of Channel 4 into the Media Bill to protect its long-term future and led the world in imposing cultural sanctions when Putin invaded Ukraine.


I worked with and encouraged the tech sector, to search out untaught talents such as creative and critical thinking in deprived communities offering those who faced a life on low unskilled pay or benefits, access to higher paid employment and social mobility. What many of the CEOs I spoke to in the tech sector and business leaders really wanted was meaningful regulatory reform from you as chancellor to enable companies not only to establish in the UK, but to list on the London Stock Exchange rather than New York. You flashed your gleaming smile in your Prada shoes and Savile Row suit from behind a camera, but you just weren’t listening. All they received in return were platitudes and a speech illustrating how wonderful life was in California. London is now losing its appeal as more UK-based companies seek better listing opportunities in the U.S. That, Prime Minister, is entirely down to you.

Long before my resignation announcement, in July 2022, I had advised the Cabinet Secretary, Simon Case, of my intention to step down. Senior figures in the party, close allies of yours, have continued to this day to implore me to wait until the next general election rather than inflict yet another damaging by-election on the party at a time when we are consistently twenty points behind in the polls.

Having witnessed first-hand, as Boris Johnson and then Liz Truss were taken down, I decided that the British people had a right to know what was happening in their name. Why is it that we have had five Conservative Prime Ministers since 2010, with not one of the previous four having left office as the result of losing a general election? That is a democratic deficit which the mother of parliaments should be deeply ashamed of and which, as you and I know, is the result of the machinations of a small group of individuals embedded deep at the centre of the party and Downing St.

To start with, my investigations focused on the political assassination of Boris Johnson, but as I spoke to more and more people – and I have spoken to a lot of people, from ex-Prime Ministers, Cabinet Ministers both ex and current through all levels of government and Westminster and even journalists – a dark story emerged which grew ever more disturbing with each person I spoke to.

It became clear to me as I worked that remaining as a back bencher was incompatible with publishing a book which exposes how the democratic process at the heart of our party has been corrupted. As I uncovered this alarming situation I knew, such were the forces ranged against me, that I was grateful to retain my parliamentary privilege until today. And, as you also know Prime Minister, those forces are today the most powerful figures in the land. The onslaught against me even included the bizarre spectacle of the Cabinet Secretary claiming (without evidence) to a select committee that he had reported me to the Whips and Speakers office (not only have neither office been able to confirm this was true, but they have no power to act, as he well knows). It is surely as clear a breach of Civil Service impartiality as you could wish to see.

But worst of all has been the spectacle of a Prime Minister demeaning his office by opening the gates to whip up a public frenzy against one of his own MPs. You failed to mention in your public comments that there could be no writ moved for a by-election over summer. And that the earliest any by-election could take place is at the end of September. The clearly orchestrated and almost daily personal attacks demonstrates the pitifully low level your Government has descended to.

It is a modus operandi established by your allies which has targeted Boris Johnson, transferred to Liz Truss and now moved on to me. But I have not been a Prime Minister. I do not have security or protection. Attacks from people, led by you, declared open season on myself and the past weeks have resulted in the police having to visit my home and contact me on a number of occasions due to threats to my person.

Since you took office a year ago, the country is run by a zombie Parliament where nothing meaningful has happened. What exactly has been done or have you achieved? You hold the office of Prime Minister unelected, without a single vote, not even from your own MPs. You have no mandate from the people and the Government is adrift. You have squandered the goodwill of the nation, for what?

And what a difference it is now since 2019, when Boris Johnson won an eighty-seat majority and a greater percentage of the vote share than Tony Blair in the Labour landslide victory of ’97. We were a mere five points behind on the day he was removed from office. Since you became Prime Minister, his manifesto has been completely abandoned. We cannot simply disregard the democratic choice of the electorate, remove both the Prime Minister and the manifesto commitments they voted for and then expect to return to the people in the hope that they will continue to unquestioningly support us. They have agency, they will use it.

Levelling up has been discarded and with it, those deprived communities it sought to serve. Social care, ready to be launched, abandoned along with the hope of all of those who care for the elderly and the vulnerable. The Online Safety Bill has been watered down. BBC funding reform, the clock run down. The Mental Health Act, timed out. Defence spending, reduced. Our commitment to net zero, animal welfare and the green issues so relevant to the planet and voters under 40, squandered. As Lord Goldsmith wrote in his own resignation letter, because you simply do not care about the environment or the natural world. What exactly is it you do stand for?

You have increased Corporation tax to 25 per cent, taking us to the level of the highest tax take since World War two at 75 per cent of GDP, and you have completely failed in reducing illegal immigration or delivering on the benefits of Brexit. The bonfire of EU legislation, swerved. The Windsor framework agreement, a dead duck, brought into existence by shady promises of future preferment with grubby rewards and potential gongs to MPs. Stormont is still not sitting.

Disregarding your own chancellor, last week you took credit for reducing inflation, citing your ‘plan’. There has been no budget, no new fiscal measures, no debate, there is no plan. Such statements take the British public for fools. The decline in the price of commodities such as oil and gas, the eased pressure on the supply of wheat and the increase in interest rates by the Bank of England are what has taken the heat out of the economy and reduced inflation. For you to personally claim credit for this was disingenuous at the very least.

It is a fact that there is no affection for Keir Starmer out on the doorstep. He does not have the winning X factor qualities of a Thatcher, a Blair, or a Boris Johnson, and sadly, Prime Minister, neither do you. Your actions have left some 200 or more of my MP colleagues to face an electoral tsunami and the loss of their livelihoods, because in your impatience to become Prime Minister you put your personal ambition above the stability of the country and our economy. Bewildered, we look in vain for the grand political vision for the people of this great country to hold on to, that would make all this disruption and subsequent inertia worthwhile, and we find absolutely nothing.

I shall take some comfort from explaining to people exactly how you and your allies achieved this undemocratic upheaval in my book. I am a proud working-class Conservative which is why the Levelling Up agenda was so important to me. I know personally how effective a strong and helping hand can be to lift someone out of poverty and how vision, hope and opportunity can change lives. You have abandoned the fundamental principles of Conservatism. History will not judge you kindly.

I shall today inform the Chancellor of my intention to take the Chiltern Hundreds, enabling the writ to be moved on September the 4th for the by-election you are so desperately seeking to take place.

Yours sincerely,

Nadine Dorries

This is vicious, this is visceral and this is articulating the feelings of her puppet masters
So that's what's taken her so long. Fair enough
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shaggy wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:31 am
I like neeps wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:22 am

Good stuff from Labour here. A tax policy that benefits asset ownership over, you know, labour is here to stay.

Only difference between Sunak's Tories and Starmer's labour is what? Rwanda?
What is the point in appealing to those voters who will vote for them anyway no matter what? Surely the voter that changes their direction (for whatever reason) is the most important one to appeal to?
The point is to ehh build a better economy and society maybe? No? A bit too crazy??

The country's economy being set up to appeal to unproductive asset strippers at the cost of professionals and families is why we're in the mess we are.
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Labour will be bland and say nothing.
Just not being Boris and Truss and Tories should do it.

It's not what I want but competency and blandness seems to be what the Country wants.

It's going to be pretty easy wen in power to say .
We did not realise it was so bad therefore we need to....
Surely they mus learn the lesson of the collapse of the red wall.

Hopefully there will be nods and winks to just campaign where they need to with the LDs to destroy the Tories.
No use battling against each other and taking votes to allow the Tories seats anywhere

What will Nigel and his cronies do?
The rumour is that quite a few more Tories may resign after the recess or at least formally announce they are standing down.
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Love Cruella latest, "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME !!!!", stunt.

How the ever loving fuck does she seriously suggest that the Rozzers will investigate every theft ?

She must be the thickest Minister to ever hold such a senior Office in the UK.
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No, the police can investigate crimes even if they lack resources, boats can be used to house people. Which is to say she might be awful but she's nowhere close to channeling an inner Chris Grayling, yet
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fishfoodie wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:07 am Love Cruella latest, "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME !!!!", stunt.

How the ever loving fuck does she seriously suggest that the Rozzers will investigate every theft ?

She must be the thickest Minister to ever hold such a senior Office in the UK.
"Investigation" will be redefined, that's how
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Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:16 am
shaggy wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:45 am

And as long as they exclude pension pots in that it will only really affect a small number of the population, mostly in the London/SE area, so will have almost no effect on their vote appeal.
It's actually the sort of policy that does reach far beyond its impact in the voting booth. People are terrified for the day they're going to be hugely wealthy, and e'er so slightly overlook the chances the chances they'll ever be in such boat are vanishingly slim
Similar to Inheritance Tax. It affects a very small amount of people but the way people whine about it you'd think that it was 100% of everything you're inheriting. It's amazing how many slightly doddery 80 year olds suddenly become very interested in Octopus BPR portfolios when their children start "helping" them manage their affairs.
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fishfoodie wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:07 am Love Cruella latest, "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME !!!!", stunt.

How the ever loving fuck does she seriously suggest that the Rozzers will investigate every theft ?

She must be the thickest Minister to ever hold such a senior Office in the UK.
Since the last Home Secretary!
Her interview on Today was absolutely mind numbing. I turned it off as couldn't listen to her uitter stupidity
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I like neeps wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 10:36 am
shaggy wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:31 am
I like neeps wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:22 am

Good stuff from Labour here. A tax policy that benefits asset ownership over, you know, labour is here to stay.

Only difference between Sunak's Tories and Starmer's labour is what? Rwanda?
What is the point in appealing to those voters who will vote for them anyway no matter what? Surely the voter that changes their direction (for whatever reason) is the most important one to appeal to?
The point is to ehh build a better economy and society maybe? No? A bit too crazy??

The country's economy being set up to appeal to unproductive asset strippers at the cost of professionals and families is why we're in the mess we are.
Policies are all about getting into power. The rest is immaterial.
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shaggy wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:51 pm
I like neeps wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 10:36 am
shaggy wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:31 am

What is the point in appealing to those voters who will vote for them anyway no matter what? Surely the voter that changes their direction (for whatever reason) is the most important one to appeal to?
The point is to ehh build a better economy and society maybe? No? A bit too crazy??

The country's economy being set up to appeal to unproductive asset strippers at the cost of professionals and families is why we're in the mess we are.
Policies are all about getting into power. The rest is immaterial.
Yes, and that's why politics is a disaster. You're cheering bad policies for economic growth and a healthier society because they'll win an election and then what? The decline continues? And that's good? Very bizarre viewpoint.
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I like neeps wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:11 pm
shaggy wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:51 pm
I like neeps wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 10:36 am

The point is to ehh build a better economy and society maybe? No? A bit too crazy??

The country's economy being set up to appeal to unproductive asset strippers at the cost of professionals and families is why we're in the mess we are.
Policies are all about getting into power. The rest is immaterial.
Yes, and that's why politics is a disaster. You're cheering bad policies for economic growth and a healthier society because they'll win an election and then what? The decline continues? And that's good? Very bizarre viewpoint.
Not my viewpoint. Just my take on how politics actually works.
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shaggy wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:20 pm
I like neeps wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:11 pm
shaggy wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:51 pm

Policies are all about getting into power. The rest is immaterial.
Yes, and that's why politics is a disaster. You're cheering bad policies for economic growth and a healthier society because they'll win an election and then what? The decline continues? And that's good? Very bizarre viewpoint.
Not my viewpoint. Just my take on how politics actually works.
How electioneering works, yes. It's an example of why politics doesn't actually work imo.

Both parties have decided their entire mo is relentlessly focused on 45+ year olds with asset wealth focused on maintaining the status quo at the expense of economic and social growth. That eh can't be seen as a positive.
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I like neeps wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:00 am
shaggy wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:20 pm
I like neeps wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:11 pm

Yes, and that's why politics is a disaster. You're cheering bad policies for economic growth and a healthier society because they'll win an election and then what? The decline continues? And that's good? Very bizarre viewpoint.
Not my viewpoint. Just my take on how politics actually works.
How electioneering works, yes. It's an example of why politics doesn't actually work imo.

Both parties have decided their entire mo is relentlessly focused on 45+ year olds with asset wealth focused on maintaining the status quo at the expense of economic and social growth. That eh can't be seen as a positive.
There is a great idea doing the rounds, that political parties should only be funded by a voucher system where we all, as citizens are given a 5 quid voucher and chose who we fund...parties will be working for your voucher instead of working for lobby groups etc.

If they don't deliver or lie, you can effectively defund them.
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Line6 HXFX wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:11 am
I like neeps wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:00 am
shaggy wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:20 pm

Not my viewpoint. Just my take on how politics actually works.
How electioneering works, yes. It's an example of why politics doesn't actually work imo.

Both parties have decided their entire mo is relentlessly focused on 45+ year olds with asset wealth focused on maintaining the status quo at the expense of economic and social growth. That eh can't be seen as a positive.
There is a great idea doing the rounds, that political parties should only be funded by a voucher system where we all, as citizens are given a 5 quid voucher and chose who we fund...parties will be working for your voucher instead of working for lobby groups etc.

If they don't deliver or lie, you can effectively defund them.
The unpalatable truth is that if you don’t want billionaires/pressure groups/trade unions funding political parties it has to come from the public instead.

Maybe this was blindingly obvious, but it was pointed out to me a couple of years ago that the reason so many politicians write books is so donors can buy up thousands of copies without touching the political donation laws.
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Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:16 am
Line6 HXFX wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:11 am
I like neeps wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:00 am

How electioneering works, yes. It's an example of why politics doesn't actually work imo.

Both parties have decided their entire mo is relentlessly focused on 45+ year olds with asset wealth focused on maintaining the status quo at the expense of economic and social growth. That eh can't be seen as a positive.
There is a great idea doing the rounds, that political parties should only be funded by a voucher system where we all, as citizens are given a 5 quid voucher and chose who we fund...parties will be working for your voucher instead of working for lobby groups etc.

If they don't deliver or lie, you can effectively defund them.
The unpalatable truth is that if you don’t want billionaires/pressure groups/trade unions funding political parties it has to come from the public instead.

Maybe this was blindingly obvious, but it was pointed out to me a couple of years ago that the reason so many politicians write books is so donors can buy up thousands of copies without touching the political donation laws.
Or if you're the Bumblecunt, you get a whacking great advance to write a book, & never actually write it, & then another one, & another one ....
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So you're saying something smells when you get a £500k advance for a book that even if you wrote it wouldn't cover printing costs?
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Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:35 am So you're saying something smells when you get a £500k advance for a book that even if you wrote it wouldn't cover printing costs?
Well if you we're a publicly quoted company, I think shareholders would have a slam dunk case for firing the board, & demanding the contract be fulfilled
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fishfoodie wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:09 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:35 am So you're saying something smells when you get a £500k advance for a book that even if you wrote it wouldn't cover printing costs?
Well if you we're a publicly quoted company, I think shareholders would have a slam dunk case for firing the board, & demanding the contract be fulfilled
That's probably just going down the rabbit hole
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The Tories have been milking the Kremlin cash cow for years and you've had that scandal with Jenrick and Richard Desmond too.

I'd be incredibly surprised if they felt the need to get money from publishers when being brazen is very effective anyway.
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EU-era water pollution restrictions for housing developments are to be scrapped in a bid to build more homes, the government has announced.

Up to 100,000 new homes could be built by 2030 if rules around building houses near waterways in protected areas are loosened, the government said.

The government argue water pollution from new homes is "very small" and will be offset by £280m of investment.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66642878
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fishfoodie wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:34 am England's Green & Pleasant land.
EU-era water pollution restrictions for housing developments are to be scrapped in a bid to build more homes, the government has announced.

Up to 100,000 new homes could be built by 2030 if rules around building houses near waterways in protected areas are loosened, the government said.

The government argue water pollution from new homes is "very small" and will be offset by £280m of investment.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66642878
The insurance for flood damage costs will be eye-watering for those new home owners.
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fishfoodie wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:34 am England's Green & Pleasant land.
EU-era water pollution restrictions for housing developments are to be scrapped in a bid to build more homes, the government has announced.

Up to 100,000 new homes could be built by 2030 if rules around building houses near waterways in protected areas are loosened, the government said.

The government argue water pollution from new homes is "very small" and will be offset by £280m of investment.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66642878
Yes, they managed to keep on message about our disastrous water pollution until something shinier came along
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Slick wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:07 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:34 am England's Green & Pleasant land.
EU-era water pollution restrictions for housing developments are to be scrapped in a bid to build more homes, the government has announced.

Up to 100,000 new homes could be built by 2030 if rules around building houses near waterways in protected areas are loosened, the government said.

The government argue water pollution from new homes is "very small" and will be offset by £280m of investment.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66642878
Yes, they managed to keep on message about our disastrous water pollution until something shinier came along
Well it's win-win for them. If anyone complains about the lack of home building, they say well we wanted too, but the damn EU regulations stopped us, & if people complain about pollution, they point the people looking for houses at the wealthy nimbys blocking them from building. As usual nothing is their fault
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fishfoodie wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:12 pm
Slick wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:07 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:34 am England's Green & Pleasant land.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66642878
Yes, they managed to keep on message about our disastrous water pollution until something shinier came along
Well it's win-win for them. If anyone complains about the lack of home building, they say well we wanted too, but the damn EU regulations stopped us, & if people complain about pollution, they point the people looking for houses at the wealthy nimbys blocking them from building. As usual nothing is their fault
I was actually looking at it from the other angle, that it might be a mistake. Lots of wealthy folk having their annual jaunt to the SW very pissed off at not being able to go in the sea for much of the summer only to be told that it will get worse so more houses will be built. Who knows!
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Slick wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:14 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:12 pm
Slick wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:07 pm

Yes, they managed to keep on message about our disastrous water pollution until something shinier came along
Well it's win-win for them. If anyone complains about the lack of home building, they say well we wanted too, but the damn EU regulations stopped us, & if people complain about pollution, they point the people looking for houses at the wealthy nimbys blocking them from building. As usual nothing is their fault
I was actually looking at it from the other angle, that it might be a mistake. Lots of wealthy folk having their annual jaunt to the SW very pissed off at not being able to go in the sea for much of the summer only to be told that it will get worse so more houses will be built. Who knows!
The wealthy folk will already be angry about more houses being built as it makes their houses lose value.

People should always be angry about pollution.
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I like neeps wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:43 pm
Slick wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:14 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:12 pm

Well it's win-win for them. If anyone complains about the lack of home building, they say well we wanted too, but the damn EU regulations stopped us, & if people complain about pollution, they point the people looking for houses at the wealthy nimbys blocking them from building. As usual nothing is their fault
I was actually looking at it from the other angle, that it might be a mistake. Lots of wealthy folk having their annual jaunt to the SW very pissed off at not being able to go in the sea for much of the summer only to be told that it will get worse so more houses will be built. Who knows!
The wealthy folk will already be angry about more houses being built as it makes their houses lose value.

People should always be angry about pollution.
This is what Brexit was all about - being able to avoid petty EU regulations that protect the environment in order to enable builders and landowners to make bigger profits from housebuilding. Deregulation in action and it is a feckin disaster for us common people.
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Jayne Secker: It's been revealed that water companies received £100m in tax cuts last year... what's your research uncovered?

Ed Davey: "It shows that 10 water companies paid no tax at all last financial year thanks to Rishi Sunak's sewage tax cut... "
#KayBurley #BBCBreakfast
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dpedin wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:03 pm
I like neeps wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:43 pm
Slick wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:14 pm

I was actually looking at it from the other angle, that it might be a mistake. Lots of wealthy folk having their annual jaunt to the SW very pissed off at not being able to go in the sea for much of the summer only to be told that it will get worse so more houses will be built. Who knows!
The wealthy folk will already be angry about more houses being built as it makes their houses lose value.

People should always be angry about pollution.
This is what Brexit was all about - being able to avoid petty EU regulations that protect the environment in order to enable builders and landowners to make bigger profits from housebuilding. Deregulation in action and it is a feckin disaster for us common people.
The builders were wavering on donations, so they've got their bung and share price bump.

Per Sky

During the Parliamentary stages of the Retained EU Law Bill the Solicitor General, Michael Tomlinson, said:  
•“we will not lower environmental protections”. 12th and 21st June 2023
•“we will not lower environmental protections or standards”. 24th May 2023
 
On 25th July 2023 the Minister, Therese Coffey wrote this letter to the Office for Environmental Protection saying: “We have been clear in Parliament about our commitment to uphold environmental protections.”

Brexit. Burn the regulations, leave the ECHR. Cunts.
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Insane_Homer wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:29 am
Jayne Secker: It's been revealed that water companies received £100m in tax cuts last year... what's your research uncovered?

Ed Davey: "It shows that 10 water companies paid no tax at all last financial year thanks to Rishi Sunak's sewage tax cut... "
#KayBurley #BBCBreakfast
So to make sure the water companies could continue to pay their dividends, the Government gave the huge bung, & on the monopolies part they cut their running costs, by just dumping raw sewage into the countries waterways, secure in the knowledge they wouldn't get fined, & if they did the levels of fines imposed would always be less than the cost of treating the sewage they dumped.

Does anyone know if there's a small UK Water company for sale ?
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fishfoodie wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:37 am
Insane_Homer wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:29 am
Jayne Secker: It's been revealed that water companies received £100m in tax cuts last year... what's your research uncovered?

Ed Davey: "It shows that 10 water companies paid no tax at all last financial year thanks to Rishi Sunak's sewage tax cut... "
#KayBurley #BBCBreakfast
So to make sure the water companies could continue to pay their dividends, the Government gave the huge bung, & on the monopolies part they cut their running costs, by just dumping raw sewage into the countries waterways, secure in the knowledge they wouldn't get fined, & if they did the levels of fines imposed would always be less than the cost of treating the sewage they dumped.

Does anyone know if there's a small UK Water company for sale ?
Most have billions in debt (that they're not even trying to reduce, paying dividends to shareholders instead). Knock yourself out.
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This is incredible- sorry don’t know how to do the new Twitter thing

https://x.com/davethroup/status/1696778 ... tSNBueE4mg
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Slick wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:13 am This is incredible- sorry don’t know how to do the new Twitter thing

https://x.com/davethroup/status/1696778 ... tSNBueE4mg
This is incredible ... we are now firmly in the land of 1984!
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dpedin wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:49 am
Slick wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:13 am This is incredible- sorry don’t know how to do the new Twitter thing

https://x.com/davethroup/status/1696778 ... tSNBueE4mg
This is incredible ... we are now firmly in the land of 1984!
No, just a failed state.
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