Russell Brand: Raper

[LenCohen]

Wow what a bunch of gossipy little chaps

[LenCohen]

Eh?

[TedMaul]

Everyone know who the Knickers Nicker is. Everyone.

[Uncle fester]

Everyone know who the Knickers Nicker is. Everyone.

CenLohan yeah?

[Sandstorm]

Nothing gossipy about front page news. Gossipy would be hearing off a mate that a well known poster on NPR likes robbing women's knickers off their line and then giving them to his wife as a present. Or so I have heard

Leave me out of this, thank-you!

[Openside]

Not using a condom when it was agreed, taking it off mid way through, etc etc all counts as rape legally. It's about what the other person consented too. Same for 2 men having sex. If consent was given for sex with a condom, then if the other person removes or pretends then consent is revoked. There's been legal cases around it and convictions.

Fair enough he could be a spot of bother then. Hard to prove after all this time

[Openside]

Nothing gossipy about front page news. Gossipy would be hearing off a mate that a well known poster on NPR likes robbing women's knickers off their line and then giving them to his wife as a present. Or so I have heard

Leave me out of this, thank-you!

[Line6 HXFX]

Well, this is worth a watch.


[media] [/media]

[Slick]

Well, yeah. Maybe not sociopathy specifically, but there's clearly something wrong with the parts of their brains that relate to empathy, otherwise they wouldn't do what they do. Their own wants and needs are skewed from those of regular people and other than wanting to not get caught, they don't seem to have any limitations set on pursuing their aberrant desires. Sometimes they find themselves already born to a position where there's apparatus they can leverage to insulate themselves against consequences of that pursuit (Prince Andrew), while others rise to such a position (Saville).

Lately, when victims are courageous enough to come forward and go on the record they are held to account. Belatedly perhaps, but Epstein was in prison when he killed himself/was bumped off before he could spill his guts and last I heard Tate is awaiting whether a judge will advise for rape and human trafficking charges in Romania to proceed to trial. It just requires a bit more than everyone 'knowing' that someone's a creep.

My Thought Tree which is more accustomed to much lighter subject material did an episode on Saville which was downright chilling.

Seems he almost did want to get caught, which just turns your stomach when you think how did he not die in prison.

Yeah, they have kind of documented this with some serial killers. They want to keep killing, servicing that desire, but they also have a kind of perverse pride in what they do and want for notoriety, so they start taking risks or explicitly providing hints for law enforcement.

He was meant to be doing a fundraising gig for a domestic violence charity next week…

[Ymx]

The dispatchers which I didn’t watch apparently used actors? Wtf?

[Slick]

The dispatchers which I didn’t watch apparently used actors? Wtf?

Not sure what your issue is?

[Ymx]

The dispatchers which I didn’t watch apparently used actors? Wtf?

Not sure what your issue is?

I mean it’s fine it was a sensationalist movie made down the track, but probably not the best for people to use as a basis to neutrally judge for themselves.

Or is it just me??

[Slick]

The dispatchers which I didn’t watch apparently used actors? Wtf?

Not sure what your issue is?

I mean it’s fine it was a sensationalist movie made down the track, but probably not the best for people to use as a basis to neutrally judge for themselves.

Or is it just me??

I’m not being a knob, I genuinely am not sure what you are getting at here. Actors saying the words of the women accusing him?

[Ymx]

Not sure what your issue is?

I mean it’s fine it was a sensationalist movie made down the track, but probably not the best for people to use as a basis to neutrally judge for themselves.

Or is it just me??

I’m not being a knob, I genuinely am not sure what you are getting at here. Actors saying the words of the women accusing him?

I think it’s a trust thing. Dramatic delivery by a good actor feels misleading to me.

[Ymx]

A google on communication gave this as top result

These studies led Dr. Mehrabian to devise a formula to describe how the mind determines meaning. He concluded that the interpretation of a message is 7 percent verbal, 38 percent vocal and 55 percent visual. The conclusion was that 93 percent of communication is “nonverbal” in nature.

[Simian]

A google on communication gave this as top result

These studies led Dr. Mehrabian to devise a formula to describe how the mind determines meaning. He concluded that the interpretation of a message is 7 percent verbal, 38 percent vocal and 55 percent visual. The conclusion was that 93 percent of communication is “nonverbal” in nature.

You know that is *literally* referred to as the Mehrabian Myth?

[Ymx]

A google on communication gave this as top result

These studies led Dr. Mehrabian to devise a formula to describe how the mind determines meaning. He concluded that the interpretation of a message is 7 percent verbal, 38 percent vocal and 55 percent visual. The conclusion was that 93 percent of communication is “nonverbal” in nature.

You know that is *literally* referred to as the Mehrabian Myth?

I was trusting google, it presented it so conclusively at the top.

However, there is obviously substantial communication from more than the written words.

[JM2K6]

I mean it’s fine it was a sensationalist movie made down the track, but probably not the best for people to use as a basis to neutrally judge for themselves.

Or is it just me??

I’m not being a knob, I genuinely am not sure what you are getting at here. Actors saying the words of the women accusing him?

I think it’s a trust thing. Dramatic delivery by a good actor feels misleading to me.

They're not fucking getting Kiera Knightly and Emily Blunt to do this. Between the extremely common use of voice actors whenever there's a good reason for the victims to not be public, and the even more common links to the rape crisis helplines in the article, you are either extremely confused by something that is utterly commonplace or trying to muddy the waters for some reason. What are you doing? It's weird.

[Ymx]

I’m not being a knob, I genuinely am not sure what you are getting at here. Actors saying the words of the women accusing him?

I think it’s a trust thing. Dramatic delivery by a good actor feels misleading to me.

They're not fucking getting Kiera Knightly and Emily Blunt to do this. Between the extremely common use of voice actors whenever there's a good reason for the victims to not be public, and the even more common links to the rape crisis helplines in the article, you are either extremely confused by something that is utterly commonplace or trying to muddy the waters for some reason. What are you doing? It's weird.

Any use of actors is entirely inappropriate for presenting this to the public where opinions form rapidly. People read in to facial expressions, intonations, tone of voice. Actors kind of specialise in doing this !!

I’m pretty sure this was not your stance when it came to Marlin Yarde, even being named, let alone someone performing on a camera pretending to be the victim.

[Guy Smiley]

I think it’s a trust thing. Dramatic delivery by a good actor feels misleading to me.

They're not fucking getting Kiera Knightly and Emily Blunt to do this. Between the extremely common use of voice actors whenever there's a good reason for the victims to not be public, and the even more common links to the rape crisis helplines in the article, you are either extremely confused by something that is utterly commonplace or trying to muddy the waters for some reason. What are you doing? It's weird.

Any use of actors is entirely inappropriate for presenting this to the public where opinions form rapidly. People read in to facial expressions, intonations, tone of voice. Actors kind of specialise in doing this !!

I’m pretty sure this was not your stance when it came to Marlin Yarde, even being named, let alone someone performing on a camera pretending to be the victim.

This is a fucking weird take on things...

you're saying you want real victims to appear and relate their stories, with all the trauma that would entail... because you think that public opinion, which matters less than a gnat's turd, might be influenced by seeing an actor.

Have a look at yourself, dude.

[robmatic]

The dispatchers which I didn’t watch apparently used actors? Wtf?

Not sure what your issue is?

I mean it’s fine it was a sensationalist movie made down the track, but probably not the best for people to use as a basis to neutrally judge for themselves.

Or is it just me??

Eh, this is quite common for these kinds of programmes. Do you not watch much TV?

[JM2K6]

I think it’s a trust thing. Dramatic delivery by a good actor feels misleading to me.

They're not fucking getting Kiera Knightly and Emily Blunt to do this. Between the extremely common use of voice actors whenever there's a good reason for the victims to not be public, and the even more common links to the rape crisis helplines in the article, you are either extremely confused by something that is utterly commonplace or trying to muddy the waters for some reason. What are you doing? It's weird.

Any use of actors is entirely inappropriate for presenting this to the public where opinions form rapidly. People read in to facial expressions, intonations, tone of voice. Actors kind of specialise in doing this !!

It's extremely clear you have no idea what you're talking about. If you want to defend Brand, just defend him: don't start making shit up about a system that you do not understand in the slightest and seemingly have not even a scintilla of knowledge regarding the history and purpose.

I’m pretty sure this was not your stance when it came to Marlin Yarde, even being named, let alone someone performing on a camera pretending to be the victim.

What the fuck are you talking about? Have you just randomly tried to find a player you thought I might have defended and taken a stab in the dark, hoping you were right? Because woopsie, you got that badly wrong.

[TheNatalShark]

I, for one, am not at all surprised by certain posters attitudes and salami slicing into worst takes of the matter.


I think the first time I came across Russell Brand proper is when I saw people with his face on the Che Guevara print type shirts, which I thought just a bit weird.

[Ymx]

They're not fucking getting Kiera Knightly and Emily Blunt to do this. Between the extremely common use of voice actors whenever there's a good reason for the victims to not be public, and the even more common links to the rape crisis helplines in the article, you are either extremely confused by something that is utterly commonplace or trying to muddy the waters for some reason. What are you doing? It's weird.

Any use of actors is entirely inappropriate for presenting this to the public where opinions form rapidly. People read in to facial expressions, intonations, tone of voice. Actors kind of specialise in doing this !!

I’m pretty sure this was not your stance when it came to Marlin Yarde, even being named, let alone someone performing on a camera pretending to be the victim.

This is a fucking weird take on things...

you're saying you want real victims to appear and relate their stories, with all the trauma that would entail... because you think that public opinion, which matters less than a gnat's turd, might be influenced by seeing an actor.

Have a look at yourself, dude.

I never said they should go on a TV program. They should go to the police, that’s what they should do. Not partake in script writing.

I hope for their sake they did this not for cash in pocket.

And yes, public opinion matters hugely. Trials are compromised and completely broken because of it. Often high profile cases have to be delayed specifically because of it, or risk going down as mistrials.

[Big D]

Mid 2000's North London and a group of us are on an evening out. Brand tries repeatedly to approach/chat up the girlfriend of one of our group and suggest she goes off with him, whilst a couple of his entourage act as his shield and engage us whilst he "goes about his work". After he's told many times to fuck off, and a bit of a square off, he eventually goes off elsewhere.

So always thought he was an absolute twat and avoided anything he's done on the telly. Wouldn't surprise me if he was an absolute wrong 'un.

Also spent a few evenings in his company in Camden back in the day and he was well known as being an absolute cunt. Was in his face twice myself and pushed out the way by a couple of his unofficial security. Anyone in that area around that time knew he was a cunt

By coincidence was with a group tonight talking about this which included an ex tabloid editor who had personal experience of Walliams. They reckon he is on another level and will eventually be outed as one of the worst predators we have seen in the entertainment industry

I saw a rumour that they have info on allegations against Walliams and Noel Fielding.

[Ymx]

Well you seemed to want to restrain public thought in that case, it certainly doesn’t feel like you wanted a tv programme about it, based on the below.

Speculation is fine, as long as you treat it for what it is and not for the truth.

This. I think everyone gets overly concerned about what can and can't be said on an anonymous Internet forum.

Anyway we all know who we are all thinking it is.

Oh no, I don't care about what can and can't be said, I just think it's really ghoulish that people respond to a rape by eagerly reeling off names tbh

I don't think there's any doubt who it is, especially with Sale having confirmed a member of their squad was arrested. It's a pretty grim event though, so not sure if there's much mileage in continuing to discuss it when we're not going to get any further details at this stage.

[Big D]

It hasn't been mentioned here but I have seen the motives of Daniel Sloss being the only comedian to speak on the programme questioned.

This might explain his motives rather than advancing his career:

[I like neeps]

Imaging shagging someone who couldn't legally buy you a drink when you're over the age of 18. F*cking creep.

Also the BBC sending the 16 year old in a chaffeured car to Brand have real questions to answer. Wonder why the right wing press haven't kicked up the Huw Edwards stink about it yet?

[Line6 HXFX]

..

[JM2K6]

Well you seemed to want to restrain public thought in that case, it certainly doesn’t feel like you wanted a tv programme about it, based on the below.

This. I think everyone gets overly concerned about what can and can't be said on an anonymous Internet forum.

Anyway we all know who we are all thinking it is.

Oh no, I don't care about what can and can't be said, I just think it's really ghoulish that people respond to a rape by eagerly reeling off names tbh

I don't think there's any doubt who it is, especially with Sale having confirmed a member of their squad was arrested. It's a pretty grim event though, so not sure if there's much mileage in continuing to discuss it when we're not going to get any further details at this stage.

Honestly, you are absolutely fucking brain dead. Pretty big difference between me saying that a) people shouldn't gleefully speculate over who a mystery rapist might be and b) speculation when we're not going to get any more details is not worth it, vs actual details being published as part of a years-long investigation featuring multiple allegations. Reading what I wrote and coming to the conclusion that I would not want an actual investigation to be published is bonkers. In your haste to find any kind of gotcha all you've done is once again prove that basic comprehension fails you on a regular basis.

Speculating over who a mystery rapist might be is both ghoulish and pretty fucking terrible for everyone whose names get linked with something heinous for absolutely no reason.

[sockwithaticket]

It hasn't been mentioned here but I have seen the motives of Daniel Sloss being the only comedian to speak on the programme questioned.

This might explain his motives rather than advancing his career:

I appreciate what he's saying, but I can't help but wonder if that will actually achieve anything. You can't take "I think this guy's a bit dodge, said some iffy things" to the police. You can tell the speaker what they're saying isn't ok, but all that really teaches them is to moderate their speech in front of you, it doesn't disabuse them of the notion that sexual assault or worse is ok. Dropping them from your circle probably isn't going to be a road to Damascus moment either. The vast majority of men know that it's illegal and that society at large is completely behind it being illegal because it's also considered immoral. They know and don't care and/or transgressing against social mores is part of the point.

[robmatic]

It hasn't been mentioned here but I have seen the motives of Daniel Sloss being the only comedian to speak on the programme questioned.

This might explain his motives rather than advancing his career:

I appreciate what he's saying, but I can't help but wonder if that will actually achieve anything. You can't take "I think this guy's a bit dodge, said some iffy things" to the police. You can tell the speaker what they're saying isn't ok, but all that really teaches them is to moderate their speech in front of you, it doesn't disabuse them of the notion that sexual assault or worse is ok. Dropping them from your circle probably isn't going to be a road to Damascus moment either. The vast majority of men know that it's illegal and that society at large is completely behind it being illegal because it's also considered immoral. They know and don't care and/or transgressing against social mores is part of the point.

I feel like Brand certainly wouldn't have been as emboldened/prolific if he hadn't had his agents/colleagues etc. turning a blind eye to his proclivities and people generally blowing smoke up his arse.

[Slick]

Mid 2000's North London and a group of us are on an evening out. Brand tries repeatedly to approach/chat up the girlfriend of one of our group and suggest she goes off with him, whilst a couple of his entourage act as his shield and engage us whilst he "goes about his work". After he's told many times to fuck off, and a bit of a square off, he eventually goes off elsewhere.

So always thought he was an absolute twat and avoided anything he's done on the telly. Wouldn't surprise me if he was an absolute wrong 'un.

Also spent a few evenings in his company in Camden back in the day and he was well known as being an absolute cunt. Was in his face twice myself and pushed out the way by a couple of his unofficial security. Anyone in that area around that time knew he was a cunt

By coincidence was with a group tonight talking about this which included an ex tabloid editor who had personal experience of Walliams. They reckon he is on another level and will eventually be outed as one of the worst predators we have seen in the entertainment industry

I saw a rumour that they have info on allegations against DW and NF.

The reason I mentioned it was because I thought that it had already been said by ST/Dispatches that DF is next? Maybe not.

[sockwithaticket]

It hasn't been mentioned here but I have seen the motives of Daniel Sloss being the only comedian to speak on the programme questioned.

This might explain his motives rather than advancing his career:

I appreciate what he's saying, but I can't help but wonder if that will actually achieve anything. You can't take "I think this guy's a bit dodge, said some iffy things" to the police. You can tell the speaker what they're saying isn't ok, but all that really teaches them is to moderate their speech in front of you, it doesn't disabuse them of the notion that sexual assault or worse is ok. Dropping them from your circle probably isn't going to be a road to Damascus moment either. The vast majority of men know that it's illegal and that society at large is completely behind it being illegal because it's also considered immoral. They know and don't care and/or transgressing against social mores is part of the point.

I feel like Brand certainly wouldn't have been as emboldened/prolific if he hadn't had his agents/colleagues etc. turning a blind eye to his proclivities and people generally blowing smoke up his arse.

Yeah, celebs are a different thing. There are a lot of people willing to enable someone who looks like they might be a meal ticket, but Sloss was making more of a general point at the end there so I moved onto it.

Not that anyone cares, I think he's a brilliant stand up. Haven't seen the special this is a part of, though, as it's not on Netflix like others.

[David in Gwent]

Wait, so in the last few weeks RB has given critiques on Moderna, Pfizer, Bill Gates, Biden etc etc and all of a sudden he's being taken down.

I am the very personification of being shocked.

[I like neeps]

Wait, so in the last few weeks RB has given critiques on Moderna, Pfizer, Bill Gates, Biden etc etc and all of a sudden he's being taken down.

I am the very personification of being shocked.

He's been giving critiques of all of those groups for at least three years.

[derriz]

Wait, so in the last few weeks RB has given critiques on Moderna, Pfizer, Bill Gates, Biden etc etc and all of a sudden he's being taken down.

I am the very personification of being shocked.

Let’s get this straight - you believe that all the allegations are made up and the women/girls are lying as a conspiracy to silence him?

[Ymx]

Well you seemed to want to restrain public thought in that case, it certainly doesn’t feel like you wanted a tv programme about it, based on the below.

Oh no, I don't care about what can and can't be said, I just think it's really ghoulish that people respond to a rape by eagerly reeling off names tbh

I don't think there's any doubt who it is, especially with Sale having confirmed a member of their squad was arrested. It's a pretty grim event though, so not sure if there's much mileage in continuing to discuss it when we're not going to get any further details at this stage.

Honestly, you are absolutely fucking brain dead. Pretty big difference between me saying that a) people shouldn't gleefully speculate over who a mystery rapist might be and b) speculation when we're not going to get any more details is not worth it, vs actual details being published as part of a years-long investigation featuring multiple allegations. Reading what I wrote and coming to the conclusion that I would not want an actual investigation to be published is bonkers. In your haste to find any kind of gotcha all you've done is once again prove that basic comprehension fails you on a regular basis.

Speculating over who a mystery rapist might be is both ghoulish and pretty fucking terrible for everyone whose names get linked with something heinous for absolutely no reason.

Speculating over the identity of a suspect vs speculating from an actor portraying a victim against a named person n. The former is not fine, the latter is hunky dory. Got it.

I’m not surprised you don’t see your inconsistency.

[JM2K6]

Well you seemed to want to restrain public thought in that case, it certainly doesn’t feel like you wanted a tv programme about it, based on the below.

Honestly, you are absolutely fucking brain dead. Pretty big difference between me saying that a) people shouldn't gleefully speculate over who a mystery rapist might be and b) speculation when we're not going to get any more details is not worth it, vs actual details being published as part of a years-long investigation featuring multiple allegations. Reading what I wrote and coming to the conclusion that I would not want an actual investigation to be published is bonkers. In your haste to find any kind of gotcha all you've done is once again prove that basic comprehension fails you on a regular basis.

Speculating over who a mystery rapist might be is both ghoulish and pretty fucking terrible for everyone whose names get linked with something heinous for absolutely no reason.

Speculating over the identity of a suspect vs speculating from an actor portraying a victim against a named person n. The former is not fine, the latter is hunky dory. Got it.

I’m not surprised you don’t see your inconsistency.

"speculating from an actor portraying a victim against a named person" is not what is happening, you genuine imbecile.

[David in Gwent]

Wait, so in the last few weeks RB has given critiques on Moderna, Pfizer, Bill Gates, Biden etc etc and all of a sudden he's being taken down.

I am the very personification of being shocked.

He's been giving critiques of all of those groups for at least three years.

He hasn't. Moderna and Pfizer are newish Gates is newish

Personally I think they pushed the button after his Biden 9/11 video but that's just a hunch.

For the record, I've never liked Brand, in fact, there was a time that whenever I was a bit down I would watch the video on YT of him being pushed into a fountain, cheered me up no end.