Stop voting for fucking Tories

[sturginho]

The good news for the Tories is Liz Truss is back saying that she was right all along.

That's different levels of delusion.

You'd kind of hope that people have enough sense to vote such a moron out at the next election, but, Norfolk...

...they feed beefburgers to cows

[sockwithaticket]

I do think our political class do need to think why growth has being anemic for so long and we never seem to recover from the 2008 GFC unlike the US.

Truss is simply a moron though - she was warned about the pension FDI issue and that markets would short UK gilts in the government pressed ahead with unfunded tax cuts but pressed ahead anyway. She claims to be a heir to Thatcher but Thatcher's mission at least at the start was about building economic credibility. She was part of the consensus that insisted on the hardest form of Brexit putting another dampener (but not IMO the only or biggest one) on the UK economy

She is too stupid to know she should stay quiet.

Austerity rather than stimulus is no small part of that. The economy's been dragging its heels ever since.

[I like neeps]

I do think our political class do need to think why growth has being anemic for so long and we never seem to recover from the 2008 GFC unlike the US.

Truss is simply a moron though - she was warned about the pension FDI issue and that markets would short UK gilts in the government pressed ahead with unfunded tax cuts but pressed ahead anyway. She claims to be a heir to Thatcher but Thatcher's mission at least at the start was about building economic credibility. She was part of the consensus that insisted on the hardest form of Brexit putting another dampener (but not IMO the only or biggest one) on the UK economy

She is too stupid to know she should stay quiet.

Austerity rather than stimulus is no small part of that. The economy's been dragging its heels ever since.

Quite, in Tim Shipman's piece about Starmer in the Sunday Times he has an aid saying "you can't keep slicing up a pie, you have to build a kitchen".

I wonder how they play to build a kitchen with reform and no money.

[Slick]

Kind of related to this I have always found managed economies fascinating - the economy of the Soviet Union in particular.

The absolute failure of a central planning even based on models created by the best and brightest to get the right goods to the right place - the soviets did attempt to distribute consumer goods 'fairly' but were hamstrung but the decision to focus on heavy industry and military production.

The absurd supermarket model with separate queues for ordering, collecting and paying - in a sense fairer as it kept two more people than necessary in a job. The failure to create a micro processor industry, the failure of collective agriculture ETC ETC.

We have rivers full of shit, 7 million people on waiting lists, hospitals and schools crumbling, railways falling to bits, Drs on strike, inequality not seen since anytime in our history, and privatised industries deciding they are going to charge us the earth for our water, gas, electric, foodbanks, child poverty at like 50% and human misery atop human misery, all fucking deliberately manufactured by our political leaders.

And we don't really have a Micro processor industry either.

I've really noticed the number of ex pats coming back here on holiday in the last few months and being appalled at the state of the place.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Capitalism is a system that essentially demands greed. Almost by definition - it's a system that ultimately prioritises profits by private individuals above all other considerations. Any attempts to discuss capitalism without accepting that as a fact is doomed to fail.

Every system entails greed. Capitalism just better harnesses it than most others, arguably all others. But I wouldn't say capitalism prioritises profits by private individuals above all else, it would prioritise profits, it wouldn't care where the money was, it would want whatever creates the most more profit. That those in charge tend to skew the system means the version of capitalism one gets isn't rational, but any system will be skewed by those controlling the levers of power.

There's probably a fair point that my objection to the misuse of the word capitalism is besides the point because it's meaning is now so corrupted it's on a par with discussing Owen Farrell's tackle technique, when like capitalism like a tackle is a specific and defined thing onto which many have added much in the way of muddled thinking. And that so many are wrong in the use of capitalism as a concept then sort of means they're right because it's meeting the requirement of conveying meaning, just given the muddled thinking on what a thing is perhaps adds to some muddled thinking on what the problems are and how to address them.

I have though dug out my old copy of Max Weber's essay on Capitalism, and when I finish my current book I'll return to something I probably haven't read in over 20 years, I read it during A-levels and then again first year at Uni. if nothing else it'll get nicely in the way of my failing attempts to improve in German and Polish

[mat the expat]

I've really noticed the number of ex pats coming back here on holiday in the last few months and being appalled at the state of the place.

Guilty as charged.....

I usually come back within 3 years, but it's been 6.

It's very apparent that things are shit - we have lots of problems of varying levels in Oz, but it's very evident how depressed the UK is at present.

Hopefully, by the time I come back again, it'll have perked up a bit

[dpedin]

That's different levels of delusion.

You'd kind of hope that people have enough sense to vote such a moron out at the next election, but, Norfolk...

...they feed beefburgers to cows

I happened across her speech on telly and sat mesmerised listening to it. She is full on loopy batshit crazy and was even worse in the Q&A after when she had to answer questions without a preprepared script. Apart from 'it was the woke left wing establishment that did me' in line we also had bring in fracking, dump all our green policies cause global warming aint a thing, deregulate almost everything, and all sorts of other soundbites without any real explanation. She really has become the mouthpiece of the radical right wing nut jobs and looks happy enough to take whatever they are offering to spout their nonsense. However she is also as thick as a pound of mince, like a rabbit in the headlights when speaking and has the charisma of one of my bunions.She did however manage to trash the last 13 years of Tory Government and took a number of side swipes at Sunak which was mildly amusing. For the Tory Party to ever think she was good enough to be an MP let alone PM is just astonishing and shows how they have been captured by the far right, Farage was in the audience, and dodgy dark money. It was all strangely hypnotic and amusing in a very scary way.

[Hal Jordan]

Sunak decides Net Zero is a bad idea, presumably because the wingnuts in his Party are thinking about Ruislip, and he's had his orders from the wife's portfolio and the usual suspects.

At this stage, the collection of barrel dregs that constitutes what can laughably be referred to as the Government (not much actual governing going on) are engaged in one or more of the following at any given time:-

Red meat via culture wars and random policy announcements with zero thought to the consequences or optics outside the hardcore monkey wearing a blue rosette voters
Tufton Street cut 'n' paste
Chasing the fringe to try to see off the Reform idiots in Tice's latest grift, whilst mutating into them on the pissing out the tent principle (UKIP do over)
Burn it down to cripple Labour when they get in after the election and who cares about the country
Secure a job post election

If they can funnel off money to the chums, donors and mates whilst doing it, so much the better. They are engaged in the sort of behaviour dictators get up to in the end game as the tanks are rolling up to the capital city- siphon off as much loot as possible before fleeing the scene.

[SaintK]

It's utter chaos.
Announcing a major policy change via a leak and a woolly statement sent out to the press at midnight.
Braverman utterly clueless (as ever) on the news round this morning
UK car industry now up in arms having made huge long term investments.
Shambles Plc doesn't even begin to describe this shower

[Raggs]

He's not doing this to try and get votes, they're fucked regardless. He's got a tasty donation/board membership etc lined up from some oil company that wanted this.

[tabascoboy]

Let's hope this year's Tory Party Conference is riven by more internal feuds and recriminations. Another disaster zone following last year's Trussonomics bloodbath. However the most likely thing seems lurching even more to the right to try and absorb support for Reform UK etc - but with any luck helping towards the eventual implosion of the Tories as an electable party ( not that Labour are much better tbh).

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Braverman utterly clueless (as ever) on the news round this morning

I thought she had a brave take on how Boris had previously picked the targets from thin air and they'd suddenly realised government policy aiming to bankrupt as many households as possible wasn't a good idea.

It is of course possible she didn't quite say what she was told to say on her talking points, it was funny though

[tabascoboy]

[SaintK]

I bet Sunak is mighty pleased that he's not up at PM's question time today!!!

[shaggy]

I bet Sunak is mighty pleased that he's not up at PM's question time today!!!

Irrespective of the above I had a quote to make my leaking 1930s property ready for the new world and I nearly shat myself at the price.

The prices to meet the expectations are not affordable for joe public.

Policy needs a careful look at, which we know is not possible, but if Labour do follow through it will bankrupt the UK.

[Sandstorm]

I bet Sunak is mighty pleased that he's not up at PM's question time today!!!

Irrespective of the above I had a quote to make my leaking 1930s property ready for the new world and I nearly shat myself at the price.

The prices to meet the expectations are not affordable for joe public.

Policy needs a careful look at, which we know is not possible, but if Labour do follow through it will bankrupt the UK.

Wanna buy some discount cladding?

[shaggy]

I bet Sunak is mighty pleased that he's not up at PM's question time today!!!

Irrespective of the above I had a quote to make my leaking 1930s property ready for the new world and I nearly shat myself at the price.

The prices to meet the expectations are not affordable for joe public.

Policy needs a careful look at, which we know is not possible, but if Labour do follow through it will bankrupt the UK.

Wanna buy some discount cladding?

No cash left, new Tesla arriving Monday!

[I like neeps]

I bet Sunak is mighty pleased that he's not up at PM's question time today!!!

Irrespective of the above I had a quote to make my leaking 1930s property ready for the new world and I nearly shat myself at the price.

The prices to meet the expectations are not affordable for joe public.

Policy needs a careful look at, which we know is not possible, but if Labour do follow through it will bankrupt the UK.

It is too expensive for individuals that's true. But the biggest issue with green policies is people don't care a fraction of the amount about climate change as they do living a comfortable life. People who believe in climate change don't willingly take steps to address the problem. Therefore green policies when they come up against the increased cost and decreased comfort of life will lose. And when the world is expensive and uncomfortable because of climate change the politicians of today will be gone.

[shaggy]

I bet Sunak is mighty pleased that he's not up at PM's question time today!!!

Irrespective of the above I had a quote to make my leaking 1930s property ready for the new world and I nearly shat myself at the price.

The prices to meet the expectations are not affordable for joe public.

Policy needs a careful look at, which we know is not possible, but if Labour do follow through it will bankrupt the UK.

It is too expensive for individuals that's true. But the biggest issue with green policies is people don't care a fraction of the amount about climate change as they do living a comfortable life. People who believe in climate change don't willingly take steps to address the problem. Therefore green policies when they come up against the increased cost and decreased comfort of life will lose. And when the world is expensive and uncomfortable because of climate change the politicians of today will be gone.

I thought the world is already expensive and uncomfortable to most people, or have I imagined the latest couple of years?

[I like neeps]

Irrespective of the above I had a quote to make my leaking 1930s property ready for the new world and I nearly shat myself at the price.

The prices to meet the expectations are not affordable for joe public.

Policy needs a careful look at, which we know is not possible, but if Labour do follow through it will bankrupt the UK.

It is too expensive for individuals that's true. But the biggest issue with green policies is people don't care a fraction of the amount about climate change as they do living a comfortable life. People who believe in climate change don't willingly take steps to address the problem. Therefore green policies when they come up against the increased cost and decreased comfort of life will lose. And when the world is expensive and uncomfortable because of climate change the politicians of today will be gone.

I thought the world is already expensive and uncomfortable to most people, or have I imagined the latest couple of years?

Yes you're right. I should've said more uncomfortable and expensive.

[sockwithaticket]

Step one - Stop giving the fucking fossil fuel companies, who rake in profit, subsidies. Put all that money into helping ordinary people greenify their homes.

The wealthiest contribute dispropotionately more carbon emissions than the rest of us. Squeeze them 'til the pips squeak, to borrow a phrase, to raise funds.

[Paddington Bear]

Kind of related to this I have always found managed economies fascinating - the economy of the Soviet Union in particular.

The absolute failure of a central planning even based on models created by the best and brightest to get the right goods to the right place - the soviets did attempt to distribute consumer goods 'fairly' but were hamstrung but the decision to focus on heavy industry and military production.

The absurd supermarket model with separate queues for ordering, collecting and paying - in a sense fairer as it kept two more people than necessary in a job. The failure to create a micro processor industry, the failure of collective agriculture ETC ETC.

We have rivers full of shit, 7 million people on waiting lists, hospitals and schools crumbling, railways falling to bits, Drs on strike, inequality not seen since anytime in our history, and privatised industries deciding they are going to charge us the earth for our water, gas, electric, foodbanks, child poverty at like 50% and human misery atop human misery, all fucking deliberately manufactured by our political leaders.

And we don't really have a Micro processor industry either.

I've really noticed the number of ex pats coming back here on holiday in the last few months and being appalled at the state of the place.

Tbh you’ve got to be in a bit of a bubble not to notice a decline in at least some areas, IMHO since covid. Various things going on but I think an awful lot of our public services (often but not exclusively privatised) realised the absolute bare minimum customer service they could get away with and have based their company policies on that ever since. Allied, again IMHO, with a general fall off in behaviour in public places. Cannot take a train or tube without someone blasting music out loud and/or vaping.

[I like neeps]

None of these were government policy...

[Slick]

We have rivers full of shit, 7 million people on waiting lists, hospitals and schools crumbling, railways falling to bits, Drs on strike, inequality not seen since anytime in our history, and privatised industries deciding they are going to charge us the earth for our water, gas, electric, foodbanks, child poverty at like 50% and human misery atop human misery, all fucking deliberately manufactured by our political leaders.

And we don't really have a Micro processor industry either.

I've really noticed the number of ex pats coming back here on holiday in the last few months and being appalled at the state of the place.

Tbh you’ve got to be in a bit of a bubble not to notice a decline in at least some areas, IMHO since covid. Various things going on but I think an awful lot of our public services (often but not exclusively privatised) realised the absolute bare minimum customer service they could get away with and have based their company policies on that ever since. Allied, again IMHO, with a general fall off in behaviour in public places. Cannot take a train or tube without someone blasting music out loud and/or vaping.

Agree with all of that, it’s very noticeable

[Slick]

None of these were government policy...

It just makes me think he’s even more of a cunt than many others. You know he doesn’t believe this bullshit himself

[petej]

Irrespective of the above I had a quote to make my leaking 1930s property ready for the new world and I nearly shat myself at the price.

The prices to meet the expectations are not affordable for joe public.

Policy needs a careful look at, which we know is not possible, but if Labour do follow through it will bankrupt the UK.

Wanna buy some discount cladding?

No cash left, new Tesla arriving Monday!

How much is tesla and how much is the quote?

Edit: I've been amazed how much people spend on cars that depreciate quickly but not on their house.

[petej]

None of these were government policy...

It just makes me think he’s even more of a cunt than many others. You know he doesn’t believe this bullshit himself

Eating meat is probably a generous description of some meat products. Who cares about public health? When you see video of people 30 years ago you really do see the damage of the food industry in all its obese glory. Our food labelling is disgustingly misleading and massive quantities of our "food" is not actually food.

You need to fly as rail is shite and obscenely expensive.

Tbf why sort it into different bins when a fair proportion of it isn't recycled but just exported.

You to can sit in a traffic jam for longer.

Even more insulation upgrades with the shite that has been built. Let's not forget who removed support for insulation.

[I like neeps]

None of these were government policy...

It just makes me think he’s even more of a cunt than many others. You know he doesn’t believe this bullshit himself

Eating meat is probably a generous description of some meat products. Who cares about public health? When you see video of people 30 years ago you really do see the damage of the food industry in all its obese glory. Our food labelling is disgustingly misleading and massive quantities of our "food" is not actually food.

You need to fly as rail is shite and obscenely expensive.

Tbf why sort it into different bins when a fair proportion of it isn't recycled but just exported.

You to can sit in a traffic jam for longer.

Even more insulation upgrades with the shite that has been built. Let's not forget who removed support for insulation.

All are actually quite good policies for climate mitigation and public health tbf. But most people will hate them, so fair enough.

The insulation thing is just plain stupid. We have terrible insulation and improving it would save money! It's not even clear why Joe public won't like it.

[petej]

It just makes me think he’s even more of a cunt than many others. You know he doesn’t believe this bullshit himself

Eating meat is probably a generous description of some meat products. Who cares about public health? When you see video of people 30 years ago you really do see the damage of the food industry in all its obese glory. Our food labelling is disgustingly misleading and massive quantities of our "food" is not actually food.

You need to fly as rail is shite and obscenely expensive.

Tbf why sort it into different bins when a fair proportion of it isn't recycled but just exported.

You to can sit in a traffic jam for longer.

Even more insulation upgrades with the shite that has been built. Let's not forget who removed support for insulation.

All are actually quite good policies for climate mitigation and public health tbf. But most people will hate them, so fair enough.

The insulation thing is just plain stupid. We have terrible insulation and improving it would save money! It's not even clear why Joe public won't like it.

I do think food and food processing is the next big health scandal at the level of smoking.

[shaggy]

Wanna buy some discount cladding?

No cash left, new Tesla arriving Monday!

How much is tesla and how much is the quote?

Edit: I've been amazed how much people spend on cars that depreciate quickly but not on their house.

Quote was air source pump, solar + storage, hot water system, external cladding and underfloor insulation for suspended wooden floors. Tesla is company scheme as the last one timed out and my other vehicle is not ULEZ compliant.

[tabascoboy]

[geordie_6]

None of these were government policy...

It just makes me think he’s even more of a cunt than many others. You know he doesn’t believe this bullshit himself

He's just doing what his/his wife's pals tell him, or maybe the Saudi oil interests we seem beholden to as a country.

[dpedin]

None of these were government policy...

It just makes me think he’s even more of a cunt than many others. You know he doesn’t believe this bullshit himself

He's just doing what his/his wife's pals tell him, or maybe the Saudi oil interests we seem beholden to as a country.

This is the equivalent of Brussels banning the British Banger, Turkey joining the EU, Boat people invasion, no barriers in the Oirish Sea, etc. All complete bullshit the Tories were happy to send out to frighten the good old UK public and fight off the woke, avocado eating, dinner partying, elite, leftie lawyer commies. However Seven Bins Sunak seems to have been found out on this one - the Head of Admin UK seems to have been found out. Sooner the fucker goes the better.

[geordie_6]

It just makes me think he’s even more of a cunt than many others. You know he doesn’t believe this bullshit himself

He's just doing what his/his wife's pals tell him, or maybe the Saudi oil interests we seem beholden to as a country.

This is the equivalent of Brussels banning the British Banger, Turkey joining the EU, Boat people invasion, no barriers in the Oirish Sea, etc. All complete bullshit the Tories were happy to send out to frighten the good old UK public and fight off the woke, avocado eating, dinner partying, elite, leftie lawyer commies. However Seven Bins Sunak seems to have been found out on this one - the Head of Admin UK seems to have been found out. Sooner the fucker goes the better.

Sadly, he seems to be with us until the General Election at least. And hopefully, on the back of this anti-environment bollocks, Labour are contacting the car manufacturers and saying "sit tight, we'll revert this nonsense when we come in".

Its an excellent way for the Tories to put businesses off investing in the UK. No consistency, no stability, just hot air and cruelty.

[Line6 HXFX]

I mean if it was up to pensioners the poor would all be in work camps, the young would all be in National service, homosexuality and being black or brown would be illegal, the disabled and sick would all be forced to work..and we would be invading France.

Right wing Pensioner numbers are rising massively, and Britian has never been a nation for the young anyway.
Think as people approach death (after 55) they get more Christian Conservative..


My solution. I implore all of Britain's young to move to Wales and Scotland. It is the only way progressive politics and your interests will be satisfied in the U.K. democratically. Even the telegraph is telling you to move out of the country, You will never outvote pensioners in England...the voting pensioner will never give you a progressive government...so leave them to their hell scape.

Hey we all tried to change pensioners minds or tried to get them to vote remain regarding brexit..how many of us were successful?

Leave England to the old and the charlatans that prey on them.

Do fuck off somewhere else you monumental loon!

Please provide evidence for all this shit you are spouting, or is this plucked from your completely warped imagination? You and Boris Johnson/Truss etc are a lot alike, live in your own little reality that is devoid of anything to do with reality itself.

What the actually fuck? Lee Anderson want the poor to work in work camps and tents..look it up. National service is seen as the panacea of all Britain's ills, look it up, pensioners have massive political power over the young, sick and unemployed, in the u.k. and their triple lock actually costs lives and a massive amount of cash.. ..look it up and the right wing are recomending anyone young leaves the country...look it up oh and they really really wantbthe sick to work..again look it up.
I am not a monumental loon, this is the UK., today. I am explaining it as is...and only offered a solution, which is basically abandon the resentarted, addicted to resenta'tainmented English old, and move to Wales and Scotland , and create a kind, progressive government.

Hey if you have another better idea..go for it. I will patiently read it and not throw out a single word of abuse.

I am not responsible for your political ignorance and reactionary anger though...that's all you.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

The young could easily fix much of the disparity by voting. Just how much sympathy should one have for the feckless?

[Sandstorm]

The young could easily fix much of the disparity by voting. Just how much sympathy should one have for the feckless?

Did you look that up?

[Hal Jordan]

Interestingly, it appears that the ZEV Mandate, which will require car makers to have electrified models make up at least 22 per cent of their overall sales from 2024 is still coming into force.

Now, "electrified" is a weasel word, but if you miss the target you get clipped at £15k per vehicle. Given that anecdotally the 5 year rollback is making people think about whether to leave getting an EV (and the deadline also being either ill-researched or wilfully misrepresented in certain quarters as "a total ban in ICE"), a cynic might think some mandarin has hit upon a way to screw an income source out of car companies whose EV demand is suppressed by the announcement.

[Line6 HXFX]

The young could easily fix much of the disparity by voting. Just how much sympathy should one have for the feckless?

35% of the population (which is all you need in a first past the post system) and all the right wing media (thats 90% of all the media in case you were wondering) have England addicted to resenta'tainment and by the bollocks.

England is doomed.

Old, Brexited, resent'tarded, bankrupt and angry.


Come to Wales and Scotland where progressive politics have a hope.

Kier Starmer is just a placater or cunts.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

The young could easily fix much of the disparity by voting. Just how much sympathy should one have for the feckless?

35% of the population (which is all you need in a first past the post system) and all the right wing media (thats 90% of all the media in case you were wondering) have England addicted to resenta'tainment and by the bollocks.

England is doomed.

Old, Brexited, resent'tarded, bankrupt and angry.


Come to Wales and Scotland where progressive politics have a hope.

Kier Starmer is just a placater or cunts.

Wales voted for Brexit, just saying.

It's not so much progressive as an ageing white population living in fear