RWCR4 Scotland vs Ireland on 7Oct @ 21h00

[OomStruisbaai]

Congrats to the Iere. They are the team to beat this WC.

Hard luck to Scotland. Pretty kak to been draw in this pool.

[tc27]

Commiserations Scotland. You would have qualified from Pool C or D

[Blackmac]

Hats off to Ireland, dominate display, we were never at the races. Good luck for the rest of the tournament.

[Slick]

Well done Ireland, an excellent team.

We are all Kiwi this week but enjoy the win.

[Slick]

Scotland, are you England in disguise?

Easy

Edit: if you don’t realise how shite England are that’s part of the problem

Sorry, I’ve bitten on that…. But still, we are the league above that nonsense

[Gumboot]

Well done Ireland, an excellent team.

We are all Kiwi this week but enjoy the win.

Welcome aboard, maaate!

[troglodiet]

Will you lot please stop hyping the Irish team. That's going to add fuel to the fire for The Swarm to drive us insane.


Even though the Irish team deserves all the praises.



Before the SA/Ire game I said the winner of that match will have their back engraved on the WWE trophy this year. I stand by that prediction.

[Slick]

Well done Ireland, an excellent team.

We are all Kiwi this week but enjoy the win.

Welcome aboard, maaate!

Tena koe

[Slick]

Well done Ireland, an excellent team.

We are all Kiwi this week but enjoy the win.

You would support NZ against a fellow 6 nations side. That's mental. The only team I would support NZ against is England in a final as listening to them afterwards would be too much for my weak heart. And Wales because Wales. And France as the current teams are shits. Not Scotland or Italy though.

We are basically brothers.

I’ll always support the NH sides apart from Ireland, and England. And maybe Wales. Probably Italy as well.

Allez Les bleus

[Sandstorm]

Berry gave Ireland a magic carpet ride tonight, however it made little difference to a Scottish pack that were comprehensively in all facets tonight.

[Chilli]

Congratulations Ireland.

The Scots deserve more, if they were in any other poll.

[Big D]

My wife is from Northern Ireland so at least she is happy.

[fishfoodie]

Hard luck Scotland; that was another massively physical match tonight, & you could see how drained they all were at the final whistle.

You got screwed by the blazers with the bullshit lopsided draw, as you've played more than well enough to top one of the groups on the other side.

[Slick]

Hard luck Scotland; that was another massively physical match tonight, & you could see how drained they all were at the final whistle.

You got screwed by the blazers with the bullshit lopsided draw, as you've played more than well enough to top one of the groups on the other side.

That’s very kind, and much appreciated, but also nonsense m, Ireland didn’t need to stretch very much

[fishfoodie]

Hard luck Scotland; that was another massively physical match tonight, & you could see how drained they all were at the final whistle.

You got screwed by the blazers with the bullshit lopsided draw, as you've played more than well enough to top one of the groups on the other side.

That’s very kind, and much appreciated, but also nonsense m, Ireland didn’t need to stretch very much

You are being way too hard on yourselves which tbf I would be as well. We have been basically injury free including after the much vaunted Saffer bomb squad. That match was physical enough that we have 4 clear and present danger injuries and we'll see the rest in the coming days. It was a brutal match

I think the Scottish supporters on here know where their team needs to improve; it's no mystery, because all you need to do is look where Ireland where a few years ago. We'd 4-5 quality players, but that just isn't enough at the top level; now we've 2x that. Then there's just a ruthlessness, & belief in this squad that just been building since that first time we beat NZ.

Scotland were incredibly physical, & showed some nice touches in the first 20mins, but when they didn't get any return, their heads dropped, & we did what the class NZ sides did, have 15mins or so & go manic, & take your points.

I actually wouldn't be straight in looking for a new coach; because that would just be knee jerk reaction, & you'd just be throwing all the cards in the air again.

[Tichtheid]

For me it has to start in the URC, no one is beating Leinster at the RDS, not often, but in Glasgow and Edinburgh we need to be winning and we need to be beating Munster, Ulster and Connacht before we can really have a crack at Ireland, likewise with the Saffa sides

[Jethro]

Will you lot please stop hyping the Irish team. That's going to add fuel to the fire for The Swarm to drive us insane.


Even though the Irish team deserves all the praises.



Before the SA/Ire game I said the winner of that match will have their back engraved on the WWE trophy this year. I stand by that prediction.

Pretty much agree, who do the Irish face after saving Kiwis from more Fozzie (hey silver lining ).

[laurent]

Will you lot please stop hyping the Irish team. That's going to add fuel to the fire for The Swarm to drive us insane.


Even though the Irish team deserves all the praises.



Before the SA/Ire game I said the winner of that match will have their back engraved on the WWE trophy this year. I stand by that prediction.

Pretty much agree, who do the Irish face after saving Kiwis from more Fozzie (hey silver lining ).

The rubbish side of the draw

[Big D]

Saw the POM interview after the match. The Scot Munster hatred alive and well. Where did it start?

I'm honestly not sure. I think it is a Munster Glasgow club thing that has crept for some into the national sides.i don't really get it tbh.

[Tichtheid]

Saw the POM interview after the match. The Scot Munster hatred alive and well. Where did it start?

I'm honestly not sure. I think it is a Munster Glasgow club thing that has crept for some into the national sides.i don't really get it tbh.

Yeah, as far as I remember it started with Glasgow Munster over several games which has crept into the national sides via the World Cup bid which the SRU made perfectly clear how it would vote way before bids were put in, they said they would vote for which ever brought in the most money for all the unions playing and here we are in France.

The situation was made worse when Earls tip tackled Brown at Thomond in the first game after Foley died, as he was red carded Earls started on Brown saying he had deliberately speared himself.
Munster went on to win by a large margin, but things like Glasgow beating Munster in the Pro 14 final didn't go down well.

[Muttonbird]

If Scotland win this it would be an upset, but not a massive upset. It's 1 v 5 in the rankings and at a neutral venue. Must win for Scotland but not really must win for Ireland.

Mutton is your glas half empty or full?

OS, it's fully empty these days.

[ASMO]

Scotland, are you England in disguise?

Easy

Edit: if you don’t realise how shite England are that’s part of the problem

Sorry, I’ve bitten on that…. But still, we are the league above that nonsense

It was a little fishing expidition, i know England are Tier 3 at best right now.

[Uncle fester]

Hard luck sweeties. Massively physical game.

[Sandstorm]

Hard luck sweeties. Massively physical game.

[Uncle fester]

I'm going to leave it.

[Sandstorm]

Sweet

[earl the beaver]

Well done Ireland, an excellent team.

We are all Kiwi this week but enjoy the win.

Surely you would prefer to have been beaten by a team that went far in the tournament rather than knowing you'd have had an even bigger hiding in any QF had you won?

[Biffer]

Well done Ireland, an excellent team.

We are all Kiwi this week but enjoy the win.

Surely you would prefer to have been beaten by a team that went far in the tournament rather than knowing you'd have had an even bigger hiding in any QF had you won?

It’d be really funny watching the wailing as Ireland failed, yet again, to win a knock out match though.

[Slick]

Well done Ireland, an excellent team.

We are all Kiwi this week but enjoy the win.

Surely you would prefer to have been beaten by a team that went far in the tournament rather than knowing you'd have had an even bigger hiding in any QF had you won?

It’d be really funny watching the wailing as Ireland failed, yet again, to win a knock out match though.

Yeah, it’s all about nuance, Earl

[Yr Alban]

That’s very kind, and much appreciated, but also nonsense m, Ireland didn’t need to stretch very much

You are being way too hard on yourselves which tbf I would be as well. We have been basically injury free including after the much vaunted Saffer bomb squad. That match was physical enough that we have 4 clear and present danger injuries and we'll see the rest in the coming days. It was a brutal match

I think the Scottish supporters on here know where their team needs to improve; it's no mystery, because all you need to do is look where Ireland where a few years ago. We'd 4-5 quality players, but that just isn't enough at the top level; now we've 2x that. Then there's just a ruthlessness, & belief in this squad that just been building since that first time we beat NZ.

Scotland were incredibly physical, & showed some nice touches in the first 20mins, but when they didn't get any return, their heads dropped, & we did what the class NZ sides did, have 15mins or so & go manic, & take your points.

I actually wouldn't be straight in looking for a new coach; because that would just be knee jerk reaction, & you'd just be throwing all the cards in the air again.

This is what I’ve been arguing on our own thread. After the loss of the early try we had 15 minutes of good pressure in the Ireland half. We won two penalties and both went in the corner. OK, we can’t assume the second would have happened if we had kicked the first, but to get points on the board even at 5-3 would have given the players some reward for their good play. Instead, we scored zero and once Ireland scored a second try the fight visibly went out of us.

I’m not saying for a moment we’d have won this game if our game management had been better. Ireland are much better than we are and showed it. What frustrates me is that we didn’t give ourselves a chance.

[Uncle fester]

You are being way too hard on yourselves which tbf I would be as well. We have been basically injury free including after the much vaunted Saffer bomb squad. That match was physical enough that we have 4 clear and present danger injuries and we'll see the rest in the coming days. It was a brutal match

I think the Scottish supporters on here know where their team needs to improve; it's no mystery, because all you need to do is look where Ireland where a few years ago. We'd 4-5 quality players, but that just isn't enough at the top level; now we've 2x that. Then there's just a ruthlessness, & belief in this squad that just been building since that first time we beat NZ.

Scotland were incredibly physical, & showed some nice touches in the first 20mins, but when they didn't get any return, their heads dropped, & we did what the class NZ sides did, have 15mins or so & go manic, & take your points.

I actually wouldn't be straight in looking for a new coach; because that would just be knee jerk reaction, & you'd just be throwing all the cards in the air again.

This is what I’ve been arguing on our own thread. After the loss of the early try we had 15 minutes of good pressure in the Ireland half. We won two penalties and both went in the corner. OK, we can’t assume the second would have happened if we had kicked the first, but to get points on the board even at 5-3 would have given the players some reward for their good play. Instead, we scored zero and once Ireland scored a second try the fight visibly went out of us.

I’m not saying for a moment we’d have won this game if our game management had been better. Ireland are much better than we are and showed it. What frustrates me is that we didn’t give ourselves a chance.

Shades of Glasgow-Munster last night. It was effective a KO game. You take your points.

[Slick]

And I guess this is what it all comes down to

[fishfoodie]

I think the Scottish supporters on here know where their team needs to improve; it's no mystery, because all you need to do is look where Ireland where a few years ago. We'd 4-5 quality players, but that just isn't enough at the top level; now we've 2x that. Then there's just a ruthlessness, & belief in this squad that just been building since that first time we beat NZ.

Scotland were incredibly physical, & showed some nice touches in the first 20mins, but when they didn't get any return, their heads dropped, & we did what the class NZ sides did, have 15mins or so & go manic, & take your points.

I actually wouldn't be straight in looking for a new coach; because that would just be knee jerk reaction, & you'd just be throwing all the cards in the air again.

This is what I’ve been arguing on our own thread. After the loss of the early try we had 15 minutes of good pressure in the Ireland half. We won two penalties and both went in the corner. OK, we can’t assume the second would have happened if we had kicked the first, but to get points on the board even at 5-3 would have given the players some reward for their good play. Instead, we scored zero and once Ireland scored a second try the fight visibly went out of us.

I’m not saying for a moment we’d have won this game if our game management had been better. Ireland are much better than we are and showed it. What frustrates me is that we didn’t give ourselves a chance.

Shades of Glasgow-Munster last night. It was effective a KO game. You take your points.

Yeah, but Scotland were boxed in by needing to win by 8 clear points, etc, etc, & the try within the first couple of minutes put them right behnd the 8 ball, & crapped all over what plan they had at the kickoff.

[Uncle fester]

True but if that's the case, they were cruising for a bruising. You settle the win first. Margin comes later.

[Yr Alban]

True but if that's the case, they were cruising for a bruising. You settle the win first. Margin comes later.

100% agree. There have been a bunch of games that have demonstrated this in the RWC - Tonga v Romania today, for example - though generally the margin goes to the stronger team later in the game.

I strongly feel that by not taking points when they were on offer, we allowed Ireland to roll right over us.

[Biffer]

True but if that's the case, they were cruising for a bruising. You settle the win first. Margin comes later.

Yep. Got to win before you can win by 8. Or get a try bonus point win.

[Slick]

I don’t agree, but quite amusing

https://x.com/smthrscricket/status/1710 ... tSNBueE4mg

[Yr Alban]

I don’t agree, but quite amusing

https://x.com/smthrscricket/status/1710 ... tSNBueE4mg

There were certainly some dodgy decisions (Keenan clearly being in touch the most annoying). We’d still have lost even if there hadn’t been though.

[Tichtheid]

I don’t agree, but quite amusing

https://x.com/smthrscricket/status/1710 ... tSNBueE4mg

There were certainly some dodgy decisions (Keenan clearly being in touch the most annoying). We’d still have lost even if there hadn’t been though.

The simple fact is that we should have defended it better, yes we should have been playing off an attacking 50/22 instead of defending, but we didn’t defend nearly as well as Ireland did.

I was much more pissed off with the one that Rory Best pointed out at half time, Price was taken out by Hansen on one side whilst Turner was body checked by (I think) Sheehan on the other, leaving Gilchrist to defend a 15m gap against Ringrose for the first try..

There was an illegal turnover by Porter, hands clearly on the ground which led to a try but again that was a separate piece of play which we should have defended.
Another was Porter again, collapsing like a cheap accordion in the scrum but getting the penalty which led to the fourth try. I’ve watching porter do this for years and he gets away with it, so why would he change anything? Schoeman used to have a way of milking penalties by making the tighthead lose their bind, but refs have cottoned on to it.

I know this sounds like sour grapes, I don’t really care, the top teams do get refereed differently and it’s nothing new, dog knows I’ve seen Scotland, Edinburgh and Glasgow benefit from it whilst playing unfancied opposition at home, it is what it is.

We should have defended better is the bottom line for me in all this, Ireland didn’t give us a sniff until the game was pretty much done.

[earl the beaver]

Well done Ireland, an excellent team.

We are all Kiwi this week but enjoy the win.

Surely you would prefer to have been beaten by a team that went far in the tournament rather than knowing you'd have had an even bigger hiding in any QF had you won?

It’d be really funny watching the wailing as Ireland failed, yet again, to win a knock out match though.

We're playing NZ, a team we've beaten 4 times in history. If we lose we lose, I just don't get the whole supporting NZ over a home nation (outside of England).

If it was Scotland playing NZ in a QF you'd be sure the vast majority of Irish fans would be wanting Scotland to win.