Kicking off in Israel

[Tichtheid]

Oh I've no doubt that you don't give a fuck, that is why your behaviour is as it is on here.

More people will see you as you go on, though.

I've got a clear conscious.

Yeah, you don't give a fuck, you've already said and it's blindingly obvious.


Anyway, that's my last on this.

[David in Gwent]

Excellent.

[Niegs]

Amazing to think that the rave attack might have been more an emergent opportunity rather than something in the early planning! Found this in a reddit discussion where some were suggesting the rave itself was either moved or at least not publicly advertised until days before.

[Ymx]

There was a reference to ethnic cleansing.

I suggest we remind ourselves of this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter

The charter states that "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[3] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.[4][5] It emphasizes the importance of jihad, stating in article 13, "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

[Ymx]

And the extent that Israel tried to give a massive live branch

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli ... _from_Gaza

[
In 2005, 21 Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip were unilaterally dismantled and Israeli settlers and army evacuated from inside the Gaza Strip.

The disengagement was proposed in 2003 by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, adopted by the government in June 2004, and approved by the Knesset in February 2005 as the Disengagement Plan Implementation Law.[1] It was implemented in August 2005 and completed in September 2005. The settlers who refused to accept government compensation packages and voluntarily vacate their homes prior to the 15 August 2005 deadline were evicted by Israeli security forces over a period of several days.[2] The eviction of all residents, demolition of the residential buildings and evacuation of associated security personnel from the Gaza Strip was completed by 12 September 2005.[3] The eviction and dismantlement of the four settlements in the northern West Bank was completed ten days later. 8,000 Jewish settlers from the 21 settlements in the Gaza Strip were relocated.
/quote]

[sefton]

This thread has become about the personalities who are commenting and interpersonal rancour, rather than the topic.

From the short time he has been here David in Gwent has done this on every thread.

It was the very same with that Bimbo character.

DAC not Bimbo.

[Ymx]

And now this terrorist attack on Israeli civilians.

Yet, Israel have been issuing warnings to civilians in Gaza to evacuate before attacks.

Given all the above, it is clear that only one side here are trying to instigate ethnic cleansing. And it is very much not Israel.

It was a very stupid antagonistic comment.

[Ymx]

Just read this on sky news.

King Charles holds call with Israel's president

Yay, we are saved.

Ffs.

[Insane_Homer]

Yet, Israel have been issuing warnings to civilians in Gaza to evacuate before attacks.

To where and how?

[I like neeps]

What do you do Sefton. Do this for another 100 years? I think the chance was lost fir them to live side by side about 20/30 years ago. There is no going back that I can see. Thankfully I don't have to make the decisions and can just shite on here

The logical end point of this disaster of a thread really was someone suggesting genocide is the only option and doubling down when called out on it.

My god, the thread should be locked. Absolutely no good will come from posting on here for anyone.

I didn't say kill them ffs

"I would level the place and end this half life phase once and for all"

What happens when you level a place with people in said place?

[Blackmac]

I think that’s called ethnic cleaning.

To be fair, so is scooping all the Jews up and relocating them to Shitsville, Ohio.

[Blackmac]

The logical end point of this disaster of a thread really was someone suggesting genocide is the only option and doubling down when called out on it.

My god, the thread should be locked. Absolutely no good will come from posting on here for anyone.

I didn't say kill them ffs

"I would level the place and end this half life phase once and for all"

What happens when you level a place with people in said place?

There has been some pretty shocking opinions from both sides but the thread definitely took a down turn when a couple of posters took the attitude "oh well it's Jews, even we hated and killed them".

I'm with you, lock it, it's quite fucking disturbing.

[Raggs]

Yet, Israel have been issuing warnings to civilians in Gaza to evacuate before attacks.

To where and how?

Down the street, walking?

He's talking about the "knocking". If Hamas have equipment in civilian buildings Israel drops a dummy round on the roof to knock, they also leaflet drop and message cell phones in the area, advising of the strike. Normally 10-15 minutes warning. Civilians can get out, but the equipment is still going to be destroyed.

In cases of high value targets, they don't bother with the knock. In that situation, rightly or wrongly, if I was living there, and knew a commander etc was in my building, I'd move out until they were gone.

[I like neeps]

I didn't say kill them ffs

"I would level the place and end this half life phase once and for all"

What happens when you level a place with people in said place?

Why would the people be there? There are huge conversations about corridors by Biden etc. Maybe if they levelled Gaza Abbas would then realise I need to stop people saying they are going to drive Jews into the sea. I doubt it but I am fairly confident continuing like this is unlikely for Israel. It's also unlikely the US will restrain them.

So the plan is - Biden negotiates some corridors (let's repeat there currently is no way out) for people to go, you wait a while and start the logistics of an evacuation of c2.5m people, then level the place and the people never to return, which the regional powers in the ME would never agree to anyway but let's say for the sake of argument. Then you would keep YMX busy on the "dinghy people" thread as everyone would take in more refugees, and a fair amount of those would actually be Hamas terrorists who are now spread across Europe/the US. Doesn't seem very smart.

[Muttonbird]

Zionists and their hangers on don't have a plan. It's been three generations since they were gifted a nation and things are as bad as they have ever been. They clearly do not want to find an enduring solution.

[Raggs]

Zionists and their hangers on don't have a plan. It's been three generations since they were gifted a nation and things are as bad as they have ever been. They clearly do not want to find an enduring solution.

It's one nation attacking them, rather than every neighbouring country. There's now peace with a few, and peace talks/normalisation with others. Things are very shitty right now, but overall progress has been made.

[Guy Smiley]

Zionists and their hangers on don't have a plan. It's been three generations since they were gifted a nation and things are as bad as they have ever been. They clearly do not want to find an enduring solution.

It's one nation attacking them, rather than every neighbouring country. There's now peace with a few, and peace talks/normalisation with others. Things are very shitty right now, but overall progress has been made.

Well, Israel has certainly made progress acquiring land.

[Raggs]

Zionists and their hangers on don't have a plan. It's been three generations since they were gifted a nation and things are as bad as they have ever been. They clearly do not want to find an enduring solution.

It's one nation attacking them, rather than every neighbouring country. There's now peace with a few, and peace talks/normalisation with others. Things are very shitty right now, but overall progress has been made.

Well, Israel has certainly made progress acquiring land.

Yes and no. They've a hell of a lot less land than they had in 67-82. Probably only a third of what they had during that period.

[Guy Smiley]

And there we have it. Israelis should either leave, weaken their already precarious postion or die. And what do we get in return? A load of lads who hate gays and women and the way we like to live. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant

It's this sort of ridiculous conflation of statements that makes any attempt to talk about the subject pointless.

Israel has been condemned by the UN for the land grab it has carried out on Palestinian territory and urged to return to the '67 borders. It's a massive part of the problem.

[Ymx]

Just re posting this in case those uneducated haven’t seen this.

And the extent that Israel tried to give a massive olive branch

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli ... _from_Gaza

[
In 2005, 21 Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip were unilaterally dismantled and Israeli settlers and army evacuated from inside the Gaza Strip.

The disengagement was proposed in 2003 by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, adopted by the government in June 2004, and approved by the Knesset in February 2005 as the Disengagement Plan Implementation Law.[1] It was implemented in August 2005 and completed in September 2005. The settlers who refused to accept government compensation packages and voluntarily vacate their homes prior to the 15 August 2005 deadline were evicted by Israeli security forces over a period of several days.[2] The eviction of all residents, demolition of the residential buildings and evacuation of associated security personnel from the Gaza Strip was completed by 12 September 2005.[3] The eviction and dismantlement of the four settlements in the northern West Bank was completed ten days later. 8,000 Jewish settlers from the 21 settlements in the Gaza Strip were relocated.
/quote]

[Raggs]

67 will never happen. Israel will not give up Jerusalem. It will also not give up the military strategic power of the Golan heights (including the main water supply for Israel).

The west bank settlers should be told they have 3 months to leave, or they're on their own, to be dealt with how the west bank government wishes to deal with illegal immigrants.

[David in Gwent]

Zionists and their hangers on don't have a plan. It's been three generations since they were gifted a nation and things are as bad as they have ever been. They clearly do not want to find an enduring solution.

The state of you.

[Uncle fester]

And the extent that Israel tried to give a massive live branch

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli ... _from_Gaza

[
In 2005, 21 Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip were unilaterally dismantled and Israeli settlers and army evacuated from inside the Gaza Strip.

The disengagement was proposed in 2003 by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, adopted by the government in June 2004, and approved by the Knesset in February 2005 as the Disengagement Plan Implementation Law.[1] It was implemented in August 2005 and completed in September 2005. The settlers who refused to accept government compensation packages and voluntarily vacate their homes prior to the 15 August 2005 deadline were evicted by Israeli security forces over a period of several days.[2] The eviction of all residents, demolition of the residential buildings and evacuation of associated security personnel from the Gaza Strip was completed by 12 September 2005.[3] The eviction and dismantlement of the four settlements in the northern West Bank was completed ten days later. 8,000 Jewish settlers from the 21 settlements in the Gaza Strip were relocated.
/quote]

It's far too late now but Israel have never made a real concession. And stopping taking land that doesn't belong to you isn't a concession.

[Margin__Walker]

67 will never happen. Israel will not give up Jerusalem. It will also not give up the military strategic power of the Golan heights (including the main water supply for Israel).

The west bank settlers should be told they have 3 months to leave, or they're on their own, to be dealt with how the west bank government wishes to deal with illegal immigrants.

Security provision for these idiots must be such an overhead for the Israeli state.

[Uncle fester]

"I would level the place and end this half life phase once and for all"

What happens when you level a place with people in said place?

Why would the people be there? There are huge conversations about corridors by Biden etc. Maybe if they levelled Gaza Abbas would then realise I need to stop people saying they are going to drive Jews into the sea. I doubt it but I am fairly confident continuing like this is unlikely for Israel. It's also unlikely the US will restrain them.

So the plan is - Biden negotiates some corridors (let's repeat there currently is no way out) for people to go, you wait a while and start the logistics of an evacuation of c2.5m people, then level the place and the people never to return, which the regional powers in the ME would never agree to anyway but let's say for the sake of argument. Then you would keep YMX busy on the "dinghy people" thread as everyone would take in more refugees, and a fair amount of those would actually be Hamas terrorists who are now spread across Europe/the US. Doesn't seem very smart.

Kind of like the original Jewish diaspora hmm?

[David in Gwent]

Can we talk nuts and bolts.

Why are the Left on here and everywhere so utterly convinced that the land belongs to the "Palestinians"

I'd really like to know their understanding of the ownership and what facts they have to back up such strongly held beliefs.

[boere wors]

Can we talk nuts and bolts.

Why are the Left on here and everywhere so utterly convinced that the land belongs to the "Palestinians"

I'd really like to know their understanding of the ownership and what facts they have to back up such strongly held beliefs.

The land is called Palestine, it belongs to the Palestinians. Quite easy you doofus.





I am joking, the wording alone is part of the problem.

[Slick]

I take it everyone would need to be quadrupled vaccinated and tripled boosted?

You are such an enormous cunt

he's a terrible cunt. Was trying to get me to say yesterday Ireland was overrun with Muslims and you can't buy rashers ar anything now

He's basically got 3 or 4 themes that he has spent years being brainwashed on through far right websites, Covid, Trump/Deep State and the main one, Muslims. He'll come on any thread on anything and attempt to bring the subject to one of his areas of "expertise" deliberately using vague assertions that he can then throw his arms up in the air when called on it, and tell us we are all shills who don't understand and he is being misrepresented. Every fucking time.

[Muttonbird]

1967 my arse guy. The problem is they keep explicitly calling for the destruction of Israel. Are all you lads actually immune to the power of those statements?

Statements do not have the power of deeds. Israel has been destroying the Palestinian state through settlement building for some time. They don't just make statements, they actually bulldoze and build.

[David in Gwent]

You are such an enormous cunt

he's a terrible cunt. Was trying to get me to say yesterday Ireland was overrun with Muslims and you can't buy rashers ar anything now

He's basically got 3 or 4 themes that he has spent years being brainwashed on through far right websites, Covid, Trump/Deep State and the main one, Muslims. He'll come on any thread on anything and attempt to bring the subject to one of his areas of "expertise" deliberately using vague assertions that he can then throw his arms up in the air when called on it, and tell us we are all shills who don't understand and he is being misrepresented. Every fucking time.

Ha Ha.

You're not very good at giving examples of your assertations though, are you?

[SaintK]

he's a terrible cunt. Was trying to get me to say yesterday Ireland was overrun with Muslims and you can't buy rashers ar anything now

He's basically got 3 or 4 themes that he has spent years being brainwashed on through far right websites, Covid, Trump/Deep State and the main one, Muslims. He'll come on any thread on anything and attempt to bring the subject to one of his areas of "expertise" deliberately using vague assertions that he can then throw his arms up in the air when called on it, and tell us we are all shills who don't understand and he is being misrepresented. Every fucking time.

Ha Ha.

You're not very good at giving examples of your assertations though, are you?

..........but he's correct about you being an enormous cunt though

[David in Gwent]

He's basically got 3 or 4 themes that he has spent years being brainwashed on through far right websites, Covid, Trump/Deep State and the main one, Muslims. He'll come on any thread on anything and attempt to bring the subject to one of his areas of "expertise" deliberately using vague assertions that he can then throw his arms up in the air when called on it, and tell us we are all shills who don't understand and he is being misrepresented. Every fucking time.

Ha Ha.

You're not very good at giving examples of your assertations though, are you?

..........but he's correct about you being an enormous cunt though

You're going to have to up the levels of personal abuse to Hamasesque levels if you want me to leave.

[David in Gwent]

..........but he's correct about you being an enormous cunt though

You're going to have to up the levels of personal abuse to Hamasesque levels if you want me to leave.

A piece of shit like you isn't worth it. Just put you on ignore.

OK. Have a nice time.

[Ymx]

And the extent that Israel tried to give a massive live branch

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli ... _from_Gaza

In 2005, 21 Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip were unilaterally dismantled and Israeli settlers and army evacuated from inside the Gaza Strip.

The disengagement was proposed in 2003 by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, adopted by the government in June 2004, and approved by the Knesset in February 2005 as the Disengagement Plan Implementation Law.[1] It was implemented in August 2005 and completed in September 2005. The settlers who refused to accept government compensation packages and voluntarily vacate their homes prior to the 15 August 2005 deadline were evicted by Israeli security forces over a period of several days.[2] The eviction of all residents, demolition of the residential buildings and evacuation of associated security personnel from the Gaza Strip was completed by 12 September 2005.[3] The eviction and dismantlement of the four settlements in the northern West Bank was completed ten days later. 8,000 Jewish settlers from the 21 settlements in the Gaza Strip were relocated.

It's far too late now but Israel have never made a real concession. And stopping taking land that doesn't belong to you isn't a concession.

Except, here they actually handed land back!! I’m m not sure how you missed that part.

Now here we are, despite that!

Israel also have the right to exist, which is not what Hamas think, demand.

[I like neeps]

Why would the people be there? There are huge conversations about corridors by Biden etc. Maybe if they levelled Gaza Abbas would then realise I need to stop people saying they are going to drive Jews into the sea. I doubt it but I am fairly confident continuing like this is unlikely for Israel. It's also unlikely the US will restrain them.

So the plan is - Biden negotiates some corridors (let's repeat there currently is no way out) for people to go, you wait a while and start the logistics of an evacuation of c2.5m people, then level the place and the people never to return, which the regional powers in the ME would never agree to anyway but let's say for the sake of argument. Then you would keep YMX busy on the "dinghy people" thread as everyone would take in more refugees, and a fair amount of those would actually be Hamas terrorists who are now spread across Europe/the US. Doesn't seem very smart.

Kind of like the original Jewish diaspora hmm?

Well quite, but how many nations or peoples haven't either been forced out of elsewhere or taken over elsewhere themselves? It's a reductive line or argument because the answer is .. all of them?

I actually think a solution would be moving the Palestinians out of Gaza as asylum seekers elsewhere. But it won't happen as the west won't take refugees, Hamas terrorists will continue terrorising if they did just in the west now, and more importantly not through a western pov the ME leaders won't see that as a suitable solution as they're aren't having Muslims kicked out of the Middle East.

[David in Gwent]

One would suggest that Hamas are the actual occupiers.

[Uncle fester]

1967 my arse guy. The problem is they keep explicitly calling for the destruction of Israel. Are all you lads actually immune to the power of those statements?

Statements do not have the power of deeds. Israel has been destroying the Palestinian state through settlement building for some time. They don't just make statements, they actually bulldoze and build.

What are you talking about. There was no Palestinian state before 1948. There was the Levant with a load of Christians, Jews and Arabs rocking on. It was decided there should be a Jewish state as people kept being cunts to them, like the way lots would like the Kurds to have somewhere the Turks and various others can't harass them, and they picked an area with an increasingly large Jewish population. Palestine and Palestinians are as big a construct as Israel is.

Well Israel agreed to it in Oslo peace accords in 93 and immediately set about undermining it.

[Uncle fester]

And the extent that Israel tried to give a massive live branch

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli ... _from_Gaza

It's far too late now but Israel have never made a real concession. And stopping taking land that doesn't belong to you isn't a concession.

Except, here they actually handed land back!! I’m m not sure how you missed that part.

Now here we are, despite that!

Israel also have the right to exist, which is not what Hamas think, demand.

If you steal stuff from a shop and under pressure, give a portion of it back while keeping the rest + promising not to take anymore and reneging on that, is everybody all square then?

[David in Gwent]

It's far too late now but Israel have never made a real concession. And stopping taking land that doesn't belong to you isn't a concession.

Except, here they actually handed land back!! I’m m not sure how you missed that part.

Now here we are, despite that!

Israel also have the right to exist, which is not what Hamas think, demand.

If you steal stuff from a shop and under pressure, give a portion of it back while keeping the rest + promising not to take anymore and reneging on that, is everybody all square then?

What if you used to own the shop originally?

[C69]

I find Regev and his TV interviews sickening and nasty. He has no empathy and is a blood thirsty price of shit with a disdain for humanity.
His writing however is much more nuanced and well researched