RWC Final : New Zealand vs South Africa - Sat 28th @ 20.00 BST

[Guy Smiley]

There won't be many tries on Saturday... like always when two heavyweights slug it out in knockout rugby.... it will come down to who handles the last 20 minutes best. Probably similar to the 2015 semi...

Controlling set piece in that period will be key... and experience helps. Having guys who have been there before, who will remain composed under pressure.

I don't see much in it either way. But SA if they win, will have done it the hard way.

My take is that it’ll come down to discipline…

And that is the ABs Achilles heel.

[OomStruisbaai]

There won't be many tries on Saturday... like always when two heavyweights slug it out in knockout rugby.... it will come down to who handles the last 20 minutes best. Probably similar to the 2015 semi...

Controlling set piece in that period will be key... and experience helps. Having guys who have been there before, who will remain composed under pressure.

I don't see much in it either way. But SA if they win, will have done it the hard way.

McCleod recon it will be decided in the first 20 mins. Agree with him going to the last two tests between the two teams.

[Gumboot]

How many RWC finals have been decided in the first 20 minutes? Let's get real.

[Guy Smiley]

How many RWC finals have been decided in the first 20 minutes? Let's get real.

McLeod didn't say that, Oom has mangled his words.

He talked about how the team that can come out and hit hard first up will have an advantage, pointing to the stand out AB games earlier this year and the Twickenham test as examples of early dominance helping to set teams up.

[Gumboot]

How many RWC finals have been decided in the first 20 minutes? Let's get real.

McLeod didn't say that, Oom has mangled his words.

He talked about how the team that can come out and hit hard first up will have an advantage, pointing to the stand out AB games earlier this year and the Twickenham test as examples of early dominance helping to set teams up.

Which is why I asked about RWC finals.

[assfly]

The 2019 world cup final was won at the first scrum

[Gumboot]

But it was still only 3-0 after 20 minutes, and only 12-6 at HT. The Boks won that final in the second half.

[assfly]

Of all the matches to not have Malcolm Marx, this one hurts the most.

He was born for a world cup final against the All Blacks.

[Guy Smiley]

But it was still only 3-0 after 20 minutes, and only 12-6 at HT. The Boks won that final in the second half.

Yes, and England must have won last weekend's 1/4 final because....

[Gumboot]

But it was still only 3-0 after 20 minutes, and only 12-6 at HT. The Boks won that final in the second half.

Yes, and England must have won last weekend's 1/4 final because....

Because it wasn't the final? FFS, how many times do I need to repeat it.

[Ymx]

The 2019 world cup final was won at the first scrum

And 2015 on the first tackle

[Gumboot]

Every RWC winning side has led the Final at HT. Every winning team has led at HT by fewer than 10 points except NZ v Aus in 2015 (16-3). If this year's Final is decided in the first 20 minutes, it will indeed be a first.

[OomStruisbaai]

Time to get the biggest rugby rivalry going

[Sandstorm]

Of all the matches to not have Malcolm Marx, this one hurts the most.

He was born for a world cup final against the All Blacks.

Word

[boere wors]

Quite enjoyed that talk. Respectfull. Funny. Not like this place here

[Grandpa]

While we reminisce... first time I have heard this from someone (South African security detail) who was actually there... I always assumed they got food poisoning in 1995 by accident.. not that it was intentional and he thinks likely a betting syndicate job...

[OomStruisbaai]

Steyn is a chicken running Scot

[Grandpa]

Steyn is a chicken running Scot

You think he's making it up?

[OomStruisbaai]

Steyn is a chicken running Scot

You think he's making it up?

Yes. 1995 is so long ago, wish South Africa was the same as then. Rugby is nothing compare to real life.

[OomStruisbaai]

The final is creeping on us. I just love the South African vibe around town. It reminds me when we had the long tours when everybody is discussing the rugby. Everywhere you go in town, its just rugby and the final and the All Blacks and the Springboks. All the shops have this braai corner marketing the Springboks. You get Springbok fire lighters, Springbok wood, Springbok biltong, Springbok jerseys, Springbok wood, Springbok Castles, Springbok 5 year KWV. Everywhere even 80 year old tannies are talking rugby. Maybe they should market Springbok underpants with break marks after this last two WC matches.

Even loadshedding disappear and day to day worries. This is so lekker. I love it.

[Gumboot]

What's a tanny?

[Sards]

Bongi cleared

[Gumboot]

Bongi cleared

Nothingburger.

[OomStruisbaai]

What's a tanny?

Tannie is married to a Oom.

Aunty is married to Uncle

Hope that s correct?

[OomStruisbaai]

Bongi cleared

How should Curry feel about that? Running to the ref like a grade 1 kid.

[Sards]

Bongi cleared

How should Curry feel about that? Running to the ref like a grade 1 kid.

Kantboks vs England thread

[Sandstorm]

What's a tanny?

Fatcat dates them.

[Gumboot]

I hope we stick to the young bench props, and resist the temptation to bring back Nepo and Ofa for their supposed scrummaging prowess.

[OomStruisbaai]

Hope the All Blacks perform a worth to a WC final haka on saturday. Usually my treat when we play the All Blacks

[Sandstorm]

Hope the All Blacks perform a worth to a WC final haka on saturday. Usually my treat when we play the All Blacks

Boks always get the horrible Pango-Fisting version.

[Gumboot]

Come to think of it, both our starting props are Aussies.

Gulp!

[boere wors]

why is the ka mate haka no longer performed?

[Sandstorm]

why is the ka mate haka no longer performed?

Too much slapping, not enough throat-slitting probably.

[Slick]

The final is creeping on us. I just love the South African vibe around town. It reminds me when we had the long tours when everybody is discussing the rugby. Everywhere you go in town, its just rugby and the final and the All Blacks and the Springboks. All the shops have this braai corner marketing the Springboks. You get Springbok fire lighters, Springbok wood, Springbok biltong, Springbok jerseys, Springbok wood, Springbok Castles, Springbok 5 year KWV. Everywhere even 80 year old tannies are talking rugby. Maybe they should market Springbok underpants with break marks after this last two WC matches.

Even loadshedding disappear and day to day worries. This is so lekker. I love it.

You see, this is what disappoints me so much about SA rugby over the last few years.

I grew up as a kid adoring SA rugby as my aunt would send me a new strip every year - Springbok, Western Province, Transvaal - along with regular videos of matches - in fairness it made my parents life a little difficult in the 70's and 80's as I wore my Springbok jersey everywhere.

As I got older I took every opportunity to get to SA and my aunt and uncle would always take me to games, I absolutely loved the whole experience and rugby culture. I deliberately went out to SA for the entire 2003 WC and spent the whole competition in and around Durban with a group of rugby lads that included an ex Springbok and an ex Natal captain - it was the time of my life being totally immersed in this incredible rugby culture.

So I don't know what has happened over the last few years, it has been such a steep decent into bitterness and paranoia. All the undermining of rugby tradition, the win at all costs and fuck the game stuff. It's really sad, frankly.

[Jethro]

Come to think of it, both our starting props are Aussies.

Gulp!

No way to get machetes onto the pitch

Was starting to feel quietly confident till I remember that is when Fozzie pulls the carpet out from under you, plus Christie, seriously how the heck was this player in France in the first place.

[Gumboot]

[OomStruisbaai]

The final is creeping on us. I just love the South African vibe around town. It reminds me when we had the long tours when everybody is discussing the rugby. Everywhere you go in town, its just rugby and the final and the All Blacks and the Springboks. All the shops have this braai corner marketing the Springboks. You get Springbok fire lighters, Springbok wood, Springbok biltong, Springbok jerseys, Springbok wood, Springbok Castles, Springbok 5 year KWV. Everywhere even 80 year old tannies are talking rugby. Maybe they should market Springbok underpants with break marks after this last two WC matches.

Even loadshedding disappear and day to day worries. This is so lekker. I love it.

You see, this is what disappoints me so much about SA rugby over the last few years.

I grew up as a kid adoring SA rugby as my aunt would send me a new strip every year - Springbok, Western Province, Transvaal - along with regular videos of matches - in fairness it made my parents life a little difficult in the 70's and 80's as I wore my Springbok jersey everywhere.

As I got older I took every opportunity to get to SA and my aunt and uncle would always take me to games, I absolutely loved the whole experience and rugby culture. I deliberately went out to SA for the entire 2003 WC and spent the whole competition in and around Durban with a group of rugby lads that included an ex Springbok and an ex Natal captain - it was the time of my life being totally immersed in this incredible rugby culture.

So I don't know what has happened over the last few years, it has been such a steep decent into bitterness and paranoia. All the undermining of rugby tradition, the win at all costs and fuck the game stuff. It's really sad, frankly.

Sorry I don't understand.

[Slick]

The final is creeping on us. I just love the South African vibe around town. It reminds me when we had the long tours when everybody is discussing the rugby. Everywhere you go in town, its just rugby and the final and the All Blacks and the Springboks. All the shops have this braai corner marketing the Springboks. You get Springbok fire lighters, Springbok wood, Springbok biltong, Springbok jerseys, Springbok wood, Springbok Castles, Springbok 5 year KWV. Everywhere even 80 year old tannies are talking rugby. Maybe they should market Springbok underpants with break marks after this last two WC matches.

Even loadshedding disappear and day to day worries. This is so lekker. I love it.

You see, this is what disappoints me so much about SA rugby over the last few years.

I grew up as a kid adoring SA rugby as my aunt would send me a new strip every year - Springbok, Western Province, Transvaal - along with regular videos of matches - in fairness it made my parents life a little difficult in the 70's and 80's as I wore my Springbok jersey everywhere.

As I got older I took every opportunity to get to SA and my aunt and uncle would always take me to games, I absolutely loved the whole experience and rugby culture. I deliberately went out to SA for the entire 2003 WC and spent the whole competition in and around Durban with a group of rugby lads that included an ex Springbok and an ex Natal captain - it was the time of my life being totally immersed in this incredible rugby culture.

So I don't know what has happened over the last few years, it has been such a steep decent into bitterness and paranoia. All the undermining of rugby tradition, the win at all costs and fuck the game stuff. It's really sad, frankly.

Sorry I don't understand.

You have an awesome rugby culture which is being destroyed in the eyes of many by acting the cunts.

[assfly]

You see, this is what disappoints me so much about SA rugby over the last few years.

I grew up as a kid adoring SA rugby as my aunt would send me a new strip every year - Springbok, Western Province, Transvaal - along with regular videos of matches - in fairness it made my parents life a little difficult in the 70's and 80's as I wore my Springbok jersey everywhere.

As I got older I took every opportunity to get to SA and my aunt and uncle would always take me to games, I absolutely loved the whole experience and rugby culture. I deliberately went out to SA for the entire 2003 WC and spent the whole competition in and around Durban with a group of rugby lads that included an ex Springbok and an ex Natal captain - it was the time of my life being totally immersed in this incredible rugby culture.

So I don't know what has happened over the last few years, it has been such a steep decent into bitterness and paranoia. All the undermining of rugby tradition, the win at all costs and fuck the game stuff. It's really sad, frankly.

Maybe it's not us, it's you.

I don't find being world champions sad at all, I don't think our fans or players do either.

[Slick]

You see, this is what disappoints me so much about SA rugby over the last few years.

I grew up as a kid adoring SA rugby as my aunt would send me a new strip every year - Springbok, Western Province, Transvaal - along with regular videos of matches - in fairness it made my parents life a little difficult in the 70's and 80's as I wore my Springbok jersey everywhere.

As I got older I took every opportunity to get to SA and my aunt and uncle would always take me to games, I absolutely loved the whole experience and rugby culture. I deliberately went out to SA for the entire 2003 WC and spent the whole competition in and around Durban with a group of rugby lads that included an ex Springbok and an ex Natal captain - it was the time of my life being totally immersed in this incredible rugby culture.

So I don't know what has happened over the last few years, it has been such a steep decent into bitterness and paranoia. All the undermining of rugby tradition, the win at all costs and fuck the game stuff. It's really sad, frankly.

Maybe it's not us, it's you.

I don't find being world champions sad at all, I don't think our fans or players do either.

And there we have it.