Kicking off in Israel

[C69]

A gentle reminder to everyone, whilst we agree this is an emotive and somewhat polarising subject, we will not tolerate personal attacks. Agree to disagree is fine, but making it personal is not, if you dont like someone elses opinion, there is an ignore function, we suggest you use it.

Well said

[David in Gwent]

A gentle reminder to everyone, whilst we agree this is an emotive and somewhat polarising subject, we will not tolerate personal attacks. Agree to disagree is fine, but making it personal is not, if you dont like someone elses opinion, there is an ignore function, we suggest you use it.

[Ymx]

A gentle reminder to everyone, whilst we agree this is an emotive and somewhat polarising subject, we will not tolerate personal attacks. Agree to disagree is fine, but making it personal is not, if you dont like someone elses opinion, there is an ignore function, we suggest you use it.

Well said

Shut it, brown-nose cvnt

[Ymx]

Christ, the protestors are not even trying to hide it now.

[C69]

Christ, the protestors are not even trying to hide it now.

Probably some religious nutter.
What a bellend

[Ymx]

A gentle reminder to everyone, whilst we agree this is an emotive and somewhat polarising subject, we will not tolerate personal attacks. Agree to disagree is fine, but making it personal is not, if you dont like someone elses opinion, there is an ignore function, we suggest you use it.

Where is ER?

All his posts on this thread and possibly the bored are gone?

[Ymx]

Rishi is now providing his view

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/rishi-su ... a-12991075

Rishi Sunak says al Ahli hospital blast 'likely caused' by missile from within Gaza

The prime minister also announced an additional £20m in humanitarian aid to Gaza.

By Alexandra Rogers, Political reporter @Journoamrogers
Monday 23 October 2023 17:26, UK
Rishi Sunak statement on Israel
Rishi Sunak has said the explosion at a hospital in Gaza was "likely caused" by a missile launched from within the territory and towards Israel.

The prime minister said the government had come to the conclusion "on the basis of the deep knowledge and analysis of our intelligence and weapons experts".

It means the UK is in agreement with the US, where officials said the information gathered so far indicated Israel was "not responsible" for the blast.

[Ymx]

Meanwhile Andrew Neil is sticking to his guns

[C69]

Broken ER he went too far, Irael and the ME threads are too much for him I blame his demise and the destruction of Gaza on

[MungoMan]

Broken ER he went too far, Irael and the ME threads are too much for him I blame his demise and the destruction of Gaza on

Shames me to say it took damned near a minute for the penny to drop

[Guy Smiley]

[Ymx]

Having fun games with kids

[Ymx]

I’m walking away from this thread now.

It’s not worth it.

[Gumboot]

Probably for the best. It's become a reflection of its subject matter - a total clusterfuck.

[Raggs]

Hamas claiming they have 35k troops available right now inside Gaza.

2 weeks ago they apparently had 40k.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-isra ... 9878a0cfe4

[Uncle fester]

Hamas claiming they have 35k troops available right now inside Gaza.

2 weeks ago they apparently had 40k.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-isra ... 9878a0cfe4

Not sure what Israel hope to achieve with a ground operation. They levelled half of Lebanon before and Hezbollah came out of it pretty much unscathed.

They could possibly permanently station troops in Gaza to shut down rocket activity but that means putting them in harm's way.

Hamas are almost certainly counting on a load of air strikes and short ground campaign and then they'll go back to business.

[Raggs]

Hamas claiming they have 35k troops available right now inside Gaza.

2 weeks ago they apparently had 40k.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-isra ... 9878a0cfe4

Not sure what Israel hope to achieve with a ground operation. They levelled half of Lebanon before and Hezbollah came out of it pretty much unscathed.

They could possibly permanently station troops in Gaza to shut down rocket activity but that means putting them in harm's way.

Hamas are almost certainly counting on a load of air strikes and short ground campaign and then they'll go back to business.

Complete separation seems to be their goal. It won't completely shut down the rockets, but if they can build a massive wall, no gates, and basically try for peace by ignoring them for a generation or two, I suspect it'll be the only way. Supply nothing to Gaza, no connection etc.

[Uncle fester]

Hamas claiming they have 35k troops available right now inside Gaza.

2 weeks ago they apparently had 40k.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-isra ... 9878a0cfe4

Not sure what Israel hope to achieve with a ground operation. They levelled half of Lebanon before and Hezbollah came out of it pretty much unscathed.

They could possibly permanently station troops in Gaza to shut down rocket activity but that means putting them in harm's way.

Hamas are almost certainly counting on a load of air strikes and short ground campaign and then they'll go back to business.

Complete separation seems to be their goal. It won't completely shut down the rockets, but if they can build a massive wall, no gates, and basically try for peace by ignoring them for a generation or two, I suspect it'll be the only way. Supply nothing to Gaza, no connection etc.

So essentially hand the keys to the prison over to Egypt?
Are they on board with this plan?

[Raggs]

So essentially hand the keys to the prison over to Egypt?
Are they on board with this plan?

I have no idea if I'm right. And if I was Israel, I wouldn't much care. No idea if they even plan on blocking sea ports (though i doubt they'd allow Gaza over Israeli airspace). They clearly don't want to be responsible for Gaza, and Hamas clearly don't want them responsible for Gaza either. Accept that, and leave them to it.

[Uncle fester]

So essentially hand the keys to the prison over to Egypt?
Are they on board with this plan?

I have no idea if I'm right. And if I was Israel, I wouldn't much care. No idea if they even plan on blocking sea ports (though i doubt they'd allow Gaza over Israeli airspace). They clearly don't want to be responsible for Gaza, and Hamas clearly don't want them responsible for Gaza either. Accept that, and leave them to it.

I can see the attraction of the idea but don't think it's practical or even remotely humane.

[Raggs]

So essentially hand the keys to the prison over to Egypt?
Are they on board with this plan?

I have no idea if I'm right. And if I was Israel, I wouldn't much care. No idea if they even plan on blocking sea ports (though i doubt they'd allow Gaza over Israeli airspace). They clearly don't want to be responsible for Gaza, and Hamas clearly don't want them responsible for Gaza either. Accept that, and leave them to it.

I can see the attraction of the idea but don't think it's practical or even remotely humane.

I have no doubt that after this, Gaza will receive billions up billions of aid. More than enough to build sufficient industry to become more self sufficient. If they want trade, they will need to develop trade partners, just like every other nation.

[Uncle fester]

I have no idea if I'm right. And if I was Israel, I wouldn't much care. No idea if they even plan on blocking sea ports (though i doubt they'd allow Gaza over Israeli airspace). They clearly don't want to be responsible for Gaza, and Hamas clearly don't want them responsible for Gaza either. Accept that, and leave them to it.

I can see the attraction of the idea but don't think it's practical or even remotely humane.

I have no doubt that after this, Gaza will receive billions up billions of aid. More than enough to build sufficient industry to become more self sufficient. If they want trade, they will need to develop trade partners, just like every other nation.

Blockade though?

[Raggs]

I can see the attraction of the idea but don't think it's practical or even remotely humane.

I have no doubt that after this, Gaza will receive billions up billions of aid. More than enough to build sufficient industry to become more self sufficient. If they want trade, they will need to develop trade partners, just like every other nation.

Blockade though?

Egypt, sea ports.

[Uncle fester]

Am pretty sure they were blockaded by sea also.

[Raggs]

Am pretty sure they were blockaded by sea also.

They are. I'm suggesting that Israel stops doing that.

[Uncle fester]

Am pretty sure they were blockaded by sea also.

They are. I'm suggesting that Israel stops doing that.

Get you. Simply locking them up as before is not a sustainable situation.

[Raggs]

Am pretty sure they were blockaded by sea also.

They are. I'm suggesting that Israel stops doing that.

Get you. Simply locking them up as before is not a sustainable situation.

I'd argue with the gate to Egypt, and if they actually used the pipes, and money, and concrete, and ambulances and everything else they're given to actually develop their country, they could get by even without sea ports. But I'd let them open anyway. As I said though, Air space would be restricted.

[C69]

Pretty remarkable interview with one of the released hostages.
Pretty brave of her. I don't know if Netenyahu will respond to her condemnation of the failure of the Government and the security services.
She really is a ray of light in the darkness. Quite extraordinary.
She literally broke bread with her captors.

[Raggs]

Pretty remarkable interview with one of the released hostages.
Pretty brave of her. I don't know if Netenyahu will respond to her condemnation of the failure of the Government and the security services.
She really is a ray of light in the darkness. Quite extraordinary.
She literally broke bread with her captors.

You watched the sky clip? It misses out the bit where she says it was hellish and they beat her as they took her to Gaza. Also doesn't mention the fact that her husband is still in Gaza, so I can't imagine she's going to be too rude at the moment.

[Uncle fester]

Yep. Other hostages released have been careful because they don't want to put others at risk.
Also Stockholm syndrome.

[Raggs]

Yep. Other hostages released have been careful because they don't want to put others at risk.
Also Stockholm syndrome.

Wouldn't think Stockholm syndrome has had long enough. But the two released today both left their husbands still held captive.

[C69]

Pretty remarkable interview with one of the released hostages.
Pretty brave of her. I don't know if Netenyahu will respond to her condemnation of the failure of the Government and the security services.
She really is a ray of light in the darkness. Quite extraordinary.
She literally broke bread with her captors.

You watched the sky clip? It misses out the bit where she says it was hellish and they beat her as they took her to Gaza. Also doesn't mention the fact that her husband is still in Gaza, so I can't imagine she's going to be too rude at the moment.

No I watched all of it. And that her husband was still a hostage and all it entails.
I also noted her comments about what happened 3 weeks ago hence my comments

[sockwithaticket]

Isn't the legitimacy of Stockholme Syndrome seriously disputed by psychologists these days?

[Guy Smiley]

Yep. Other hostages released have been careful because they don't want to put others at risk.
Also Stockholm syndrome.

Wouldn't think Stockholm syndrome has had long enough. But the two released today both left their husbands still held captive.

The lady featured in this story (and her husband) has worked for years in peace efforts for Palestine, it's hardly Stockholm Syndrome when you're already aligned with a cause, however loosely.

Ms Lifschitz and her 83-year-old husband, Oded, are known peace activists who helped transport sick people out of Gaza to hospitals in Israel, according to their families.

Oded is a journalist who's worked for peace and the rights of Palestinians for decades, Sharone told the BBC.

According to the National Union of Journalists, he used to work for newspaper Al Hamishmar, and was among the first journalists to report on the massacre in two Palestinian refugee camps in Beirut in 1982.

[C69]

Sorry to even suggest Stockholm syndrome is moronic
It is quite offensive given the poor octagenorians words

[Openside]

That is fucking mental

More combat jumps than OS too.

Cnut.

[Uncle fester]

The war on truth.
BBC News - Omer and Omar: How two 4-year-olds were killed and social media denied it
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67206277

[C69]

According to Hamas 50 Israeli hostages killed in the decimation of Gaza by the IDF

Will this make any difference to Israeli tactics if their actions directly lead to the death of the HAMAS prisoners?

Crazy shit going on.

[Calculon]

According to Hamas 50 Israeli hostages killed in the decimation of Gaza by the IDF

Will this make any difference to Israeli tactics if their actions directly lead to the death of the HAMAS prisoners?

Crazy shit going on.

I believe Israel is generally more reluctant to negotiate with terrorists than other countries so doubt if tactics will change, even if Hamas use women and children hostages as human shields. Not that you should belive the figures from Hamas, they are also adamant that they did not kill any civilians

[Margin__Walker]

Obviously, a completely different scale of problem here, but didn't Israel release over 1000 Palestinian prisoners for just one IDF corporal after negotiations a decade or so ago?

They've definitely negotiated with terrorists for hostage release in the past. Clearly a problem of scale here though and hardened attitudes after October 7th though.