RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00

[Margin__Walker]

Currie must feel a real tool.




What a kant

You got a link? There seems to be a lot of misinformation going around about this.

Netwerk24 is reporting that they've moved onto the November 2022 match, and it now has nothing to do with the RWC. If this is true then it looks frivolous.

Well that doesn't exactly sound plausible, does it.

[Sards]

Famously English rugby lacks contacts and connections in the legal profession

Which is why we're into Wednesday and this is still ongoing, they surely had all the evidence days back already.

Any thoughts on the possibility the lawyers have decided to go back to the future into a match from 2022?

Are there lawyers representing the England rugby team involved?

I am just pleased we can put all the deflections and controversies aside now and focus on the ABs....

Thank you England for the game and wish you guys well in the future

[_Os_]

You got a link? There seems to be a lot of misinformation going around about this.

Netwerk24 is reporting that they've moved onto the November 2022 match, and it now has nothing to do with the RWC. If this is true then it looks frivolous.

Well that doesn't exactly sound plausible, does it.

That source is extremely close to the Bok camp, basically embedded media. If the Bok camp wanted to leak anything it would be through someone like that.

[OomStruisbaai]

Deon Fourie face tells it all. Middel kant.

[Blackmac]

Why? He reported what he heard, carried on playing and attempting to shake his hand afterwards. What’s he done wrong?

It was a very serious allegation and another attempt to derail the Springboks preperations for this weekend as well as cast bad vibes on Bongis Ju Ju......

It was a seriously kak allegation to make and he should be ashamed

Just to get this straight, Sards, Curry, who's team were winning at this point, made an allegation to the ref mid game in attempt to derail the Springboks preparation for a match they hadn't even qualified for yet? Have I got this right?

The "white side" explanation seems very plausible but FFS, some of the other shit the Saffers are coming out with in defence of this is laughable. We have seen "a black man can't racially abuse a white man", "a god fearing black man would never racially abuse anyone", "a Springbok vice captain would never lower himself to this level". All genuinely insane stuff.

[Sards]

Deon Fourie face tells it all. Middel kant.

In the cherry

[Margin__Walker]

Netwerk24 is reporting that they've moved onto the November 2022 match, and it now has nothing to do with the RWC. If this is true then it looks frivolous.

Well that doesn't exactly sound plausible, does it.

That source is extremely close to the Bok camp, basically embedded media. If the Bok camp wanted to leak anything it would be through someone like that.

Why would Curry moan during the game about something that happened a year ago.

Any why would the RFU take issue with it now rather than then?

[_Os_]

Deon Fourie face tells it all. Middel kant.

It's hilarious, they're dropping kant just to annoy Bongi around the media. They don't give a fuck about any of this.

[Sards]

The "white side" explanation seems very plausible but FFS, some of the other shit the Saffers are coming out with in defence of this is laughable. We have seen "a black man can't racially abuse a white man", "a god fearing black man would never racially abuse anyone", "a Springbok vice captain would never lower himself to this level". All genuinely insane stuff.

Drop it dude....we are.

Unless you want to push a political agenda based on your own insecurities

[_Os_]

Why would Curry moan during the game about something that happened a year ago.

Any why would the RFU take issue with it now rather than then?

Exactly.

Mr.Bear gave a reasonable explanation, that lawyers are lawyering and raking back over past stuff.

[OomStruisbaai]

Why would Curry moan during the game about something that happened a year ago.

Any why would the RFU take issue with it now rather than then?

Exactly.

Mr.Bear gave a reasonable explanation, that lawyers are lawyering and raking back over past stuff.

Surely Coenie Osthuizen explained him poes.

[assfly]

The "white side" explanation seems very plausible but FFS, some of the other shit the Saffers are coming out with in defence of this is laughable. We have seen "a black man can't racially abuse a white man", "a god fearing black man would never racially abuse anyone", "a Springbok vice captain would never lower himself to this level". All genuinely insane stuff.

Where have you seen this?

[Slick]

Why would Curry moan during the game about something that happened a year ago.

Any why would the RFU take issue with it now rather than then?

Exactly.

Mr.Bear gave a reasonable explanation, that lawyers are lawyering and raking back over past stuff.

You just can't reason with this level of paranoia

[Blackmac]

The "white side" explanation seems very plausible but FFS, some of the other shit the Saffers are coming out with in defence of this is laughable. We have seen "a black man can't racially abuse a white man", "a god fearing black man would never racially abuse anyone", "a Springbok vice captain would never lower himself to this level". All genuinely insane stuff.

Where have you seen this?

Not on here mate. But pretty much the prevalent nonsense being spouted on social media, and a few rugby ones at that.

[Blackmac]

The "white side" explanation seems very plausible but FFS, some of the other shit the Saffers are coming out with in defence of this is laughable. We have seen "a black man can't racially abuse a white man", "a god fearing black man would never racially abuse anyone", "a Springbok vice captain would never lower himself to this level". All genuinely insane stuff.

Drop it dude....we are.

Unless you want to push a political agenda based on your own insecurities

That makes absolutely fuck all sense.

[_Os_]

Why would Curry moan during the game about something that happened a year ago.

Any why would the RFU take issue with it now rather than then?

Exactly.

Mr.Bear gave a reasonable explanation, that lawyers are lawyering and raking back over past stuff.

You just can't reason with this level of paranoia

"If WR are investigating it is no shock they’re looking at past encounters between the two players in particular in an effort to establish a pattern/previous between them etc."

Seems reasonable enough to me? What is paranoid about it?

[Margin__Walker]

Exactly.

Mr.Bear gave a reasonable explanation, that lawyers are lawyering and raking back over past stuff.

You just can't reason with this level of paranoia

"If WR are investigating it is no shock they’re looking at past encounters between the two players in particular in an effort to establish a pattern/previous between them etc."

Seems reasonable enough to me? What is paranoid about it?

That doesn't really match the tweet that you posted though

The alleged Bongi incident happened in November 2022. Yes, November 2022. Unbelievable!

Implying that this whole thing is about something that did or didn't happen a year ago.

Which it clearly isn't

[Sards]

I've no skin in England so wont be defending the English in these matters....

Enough is enough dudes.......move on

[inactionman]

I appreciate it's nice to celebrate a WC win with a few jars, but you can't all still be drunk, surely?

[_Os_]

You just can't reason with this level of paranoia

"If WR are investigating it is no shock they’re looking at past encounters between the two players in particular in an effort to establish a pattern/previous between them etc."

Seems reasonable enough to me? What is paranoid about it?

That doesn't really match the tweet that you posted though

The alleged Bongi incident happened in November 2022. Yes, November 2022. Unbelievable!

Implying that this whole thing is about something that did or didn't happen a year ago.

Which it clearly isn't

Like I said that journo is very close to the Bok camp, if he's saying 2022 is coming into it then I believe it. The article is paywalled so I don't know what it says beyond the journo's tweeted summary.

As to the specifics of why 2022 is coming into it, Mr.Bear's guess seem credible. Possible they're asking the Bok camp about 2022 and the Bok camp is thinking "wtf is going on, we'll leak this", and there's some 2+2=5.

[Margin__Walker]

It just adds to the Twitter pile on though. The tweet from the journo clearly indicates that the complaint is about an incident from 2022. The mob commenting below it all take that to be the case.

The tweet does not say that their prior interaction in 2022 may form part of the investigation which may be plausible.

[tc27]

Twitter full of Saffas demanding an apology from Curry for some reason.

If it was just a matter of lost in translation then we can all be relieved and move on

If it was the other thing then its incredibly serious.

In neither case does Curry owe an apology

[PornDog]

[_Os_]

It just adds to the Twitter pile on though. The tweet from the journo clearly indicates that the complaint is about an incident from 2022. The mob commenting below it all take that to be the case.

The tweet does not say that their prior interaction in 2022 may form part of the investigation which may be plausible.

The Telegraph article Raggs posted also comes from a leak, the RFU would be my guess.

[Margin__Walker]

It just adds to the Twitter pile on though. The tweet from the journo clearly indicates that the complaint is about an incident from 2022. The mob commenting below it all take that to be the case.

The tweet does not say that their prior interaction in 2022 may form part of the investigation which may be plausible.

The Telegraph article Raggs posted also comes from a leak, the RFU would be my guess.

There's nothing wrong with articles based on sources. By the way Charlie Morgan is a superb rugby journo. The rugby pages of the Telegraph really aren't there to push any right wing agenda.

Netwerk 24 can have a direct line to God for all I know, but WR themselves confirmed the allegation being investigated happened at the weekend, not a year ago. The Netwerk24 journo then sends that shitty tweet stoking more outrage by saying that the alleged incident happened in 2022. That lad seems all about the drama and engagement, rather than ensuring he's reporting things accurately.

[Blake]

Calling it now, Bongi will become an all time Bok fan favourite.

"Watter kant!"

Same trolling energy as when Rassie coached Esterhuizen how to tackle after that shoulder charge in England match

Love it!

[Margin__Walker]

Same trolling energy as when Rassie coached Esterhuizen how to tackle after that shoulder charge in England match

Love it!

Nah, they need to up the trolling game. Should have chucked the last one directly up above him

[assfly]

Twitter full of Saffas demanding an apology from Curry for some reason.

If it was just a matter of lost in translation then we can all be relieved and move on

If it was the other thing then its incredibly serious.

In neither case does Curry owe an apology

There's your first problem.

But I agree, all Curry did was ask the question. The abuse is inexcusable.

[JM2K6]

It just adds to the Twitter pile on though. The tweet from the journo clearly indicates that the complaint is about an incident from 2022. The mob commenting below it all take that to be the case.

The tweet does not say that their prior interaction in 2022 may form part of the investigation which may be plausible.

The Telegraph article Raggs posted also comes from a leak, the RFU would be my guess.

There's nothing wrong with articles based on sources. By the way Charlie Morgan is a superb rugby journo. The rugby pages of the Telegraph really aren't there to push any right wing agenda.

Netwerk 24 can have a direct line to God for all I know, but WR themselves confirmed the allegation being investigated happened at the weekend, not a year ago. The Netwerk24 journo then sends that shitty tweet stoking more outrage by saying that the alleged incident happened in 2022. That lad seems all about the drama and engagement, rather than ensuring he's reporting things accurately.

Yup. I don't always agree with Morgan but it's disingenuous to smear him as "right wing media" when he's one of our most objective rugby journos. It shows a pretty gross misunderstanding of the situation that sports journos find themselves in in this country. He is one of the least likely people to be pushing any kind of ~agenda~ (beyond being a little too willing to give England's shithouse performances the benefit of the doubt)

[Tichtheid]

The Telegraph article Raggs posted also comes from a leak, the RFU would be my guess.

There's nothing wrong with articles based on sources. By the way Charlie Morgan is a superb rugby journo. The rugby pages of the Telegraph really aren't there to push any right wing agenda.

Netwerk 24 can have a direct line to God for all I know, but WR themselves confirmed the allegation being investigated happened at the weekend, not a year ago. The Netwerk24 journo then sends that shitty tweet stoking more outrage by saying that the alleged incident happened in 2022. That lad seems all about the drama and engagement, rather than ensuring he's reporting things accurately.

Yup. I don't always agree with Morgan but it's disingenuous to smear him as "right wing media" when he's one of our most objective rugby journos. It shows a pretty gross misunderstanding of the situation that sports journos find themselves in in this country. He is one of the least likely people to be pushing any kind of ~agenda~ (beyond being a little too willing to give England's shithouse performances the benefit of the doubt)

I’d agree that the Torygraph’s sports pages don’t follow the editorial lead of the newspaper itself.

[Plim]

You do realise that Bongi has access to a very high powered legal team backed by the Sharks....
Currie will do well to walk away without any recourse

Famously English rugby lacks contacts and connections in the legal profession

Imagine if it went to court.......we are talking slander and defamation of character and reputation


World rugby will do well to diffuse this.

This is a joke, right? Rugby player defamed by another rugby player to the referee. So Bongi's reputation has been appallingly damaged by a complaint to Ben O'Keeffe?

The repetition of the privately expressed complaint is nothing to do with Curry. He even refused to talk about it.

I can't say I'm well up on French defamation law, but I strongly suspect that any claim in defamation would end up in the bin tout de suite.

[JM2K6]

There's nothing wrong with articles based on sources. By the way Charlie Morgan is a superb rugby journo. The rugby pages of the Telegraph really aren't there to push any right wing agenda.

Netwerk 24 can have a direct line to God for all I know, but WR themselves confirmed the allegation being investigated happened at the weekend, not a year ago. The Netwerk24 journo then sends that shitty tweet stoking more outrage by saying that the alleged incident happened in 2022. That lad seems all about the drama and engagement, rather than ensuring he's reporting things accurately.

Yup. I don't always agree with Morgan but it's disingenuous to smear him as "right wing media" when he's one of our most objective rugby journos. It shows a pretty gross misunderstanding of the situation that sports journos find themselves in in this country. He is one of the least likely people to be pushing any kind of ~agenda~ (beyond being a little too willing to give England's shithouse performances the benefit of the doubt)

I’d agree that the Torygraph’s sports pages don’t follow the editorial lead of the newspaper itself.

Same goes for our cricket journos, for example.

[Blake]

Twitter full of Saffas demanding an apology from Curry for some reason.

If it was just a matter of lost in translation then we can all be relieved and move on

If it was the other thing then its incredibly serious.

In neither case does Curry owe an apology

There's your first problem.

But I agree, all Curry did was ask the question. The abuse is inexcusable.

Agree.

I think the nature of the allegation rubs a lot of South Africans the wrong way, because how sensitive the issue of racism is here. I mean, just an accusation ruined more than one player's career. But they are out of order. The process was followed and we move on.

Many of them would have been just as vocal if there was wrongdoing or a legit case of racism and Curry didn't report the matter. You can't please that mob regardless of what you do.

[Sards]

Listened to an edited version and Curry was stretching. A bit of gamesmanship.

[average joe]

All good to cry-cry if you think you heard something that insulted you. But one would think that when you are proven wrong you would have the common decency to apologise.

[OomStruisbaai]

[Sards]

All good to cry-cry if you think you heard something that insulted you. But one would think that when you are proven wrong you would have the common decency to apologise.

Listen
Some supporters are going over the top with abuse of Curry and his family. That's not cool. We didn't like it when Reinach got that. Nobody should be subjected to that. Everyone needs to calm the vok down. I could not hear clearly before, but it was amplified and real time and Curry waa definitely stretching it. In my opinion. It didn't sound directed at him at all and was spoken to the Springbok team to set the defensive line.

[Margin__Walker]

The incident the complaint is about isn't anything caught on ref mic. It was off the ball after following the tackle.

Now maybe Curry made it up, or maybe he misunderstood what Bongi was saying on that occasion, but it's apparently not the audio doing the rounds on twitter.

[Margin__Walker]

And that's all she wrote anyway thankfully

[TedMaul]

All good to cry-cry if you think you heard something that insulted you. But one would think that when you are proven wrong you would have the common decency to apologise.

What did he get wrong exactly.