Kicking off in Israel

[Uncle fester]

What's happening in Dagestan has very little relevance to what's happening in Israel/Gaza.

Unless you're trying to paint a narrative of the conflict there being "Jewish people versus the world" and some folks clearly do have that aim.

Not sure who you're talking to here, if me, I'm just trying to find out from C69, why Jews being hunted by Russians, has any relevance to his point that Israel still having flights to Russia.

More aimed at the person who brought it up in the first place.

[Raggs]

What's happening in Dagestan has very little relevance to what's happening in Israel/Gaza.

Unless you're trying to paint a narrative of the conflict there being "Jewish people versus the world" and some folks clearly do have that aim.

Not sure who you're talking to here, if me, I'm just trying to find out from C69, why Jews being hunted by Russians, has any relevance to his point that Israel still having flights to Russia.

More aimed at the person who brought it up in the first place.

Ah OK. You really think that if Israel/Gaza wasn't going on, with Muslim leaders around the world calling for people to rise up, that 80%+ Dagestan, would still have had a pack of people hunting for Jews on a flight from Israel?

Unless you mean, as it's not directly the Israel/Gaza conflict itself, it's irrelevant to the thread? Perhaps. Antisemitism and Antiislamic incidents are increasing everywhere in the wake of this. You can get a sense of Muslims vs the World and Jews vs the World, depending on the media you see.

[Uncle fester]

I think using a backward shithole like Russia as the benchmark for "Jewish people v world" is a poor starting point.

As to your wider point, yes, people killing each other with abandon in one location is liable to kick off killing in other locations too.

[Raggs]

I think using a backward shithole like Russia as the benchmark for "Jewish people v world" is a poor starting point.

As to your wider point, yes, people killing each other with abandon in one location is liable to kick off killing in other locations too.

Shall we go to the 20+ Jewish schools in Paris that were evacuated today due to bomb threats then?

[Uncle fester]

I think using a backward shithole like Russia as the benchmark for "Jewish people v world" is a poor starting point.

As to your wider point, yes, people killing each other with abandon in one location is liable to kick off killing in other locations too.

Shall we go to the 20+ Jewish schools in Paris that were evacuated today due to bomb threats then?

Much more relevant yes. Were the threats happening with the same frequency pre-Oct 7th?

[David in Gwent]

Watching further videos of what was basically "Jew Hunting" at the airport, accompanied by Allah Akbar was and is chilling.

No other word for it.

[Raggs]

I think using a backward shithole like Russia as the benchmark for "Jewish people v world" is a poor starting point.

As to your wider point, yes, people killing each other with abandon in one location is liable to kick off killing in other locations too.

Shall we go to the 20+ Jewish schools in Paris that were evacuated today due to bomb threats then?

Much more relevant yes. Were the threats happening with the same frequency pre-Oct 7th?

I don't know about France, but in the UK incidents have gone up more than 13x https://www.theguardian.com/news/2023/o ... r-met-says

I highly doubt it's any different in France.

[C69]

What's happening in Dagestan has very little relevance to what's happening in Israel/Gaza.

Unless you're trying to paint a narrative of the conflict there being "Jewish people versus the world" and some folks clearly do have that aim.

Not sure who you're talking to here, if me, I'm just trying to find out from C69, why Jews being hunted by Russians, has any relevance to his point that Israel still having flights to Russia.

I has wrongly thought that all Western countries had cut ties with Russia and fins it remarkable Israel still trade with Russia and fly there. Quite simple really, USA's biggest ally still dealing with the Russians for me is quite astounding

[Raggs]

What's happening in Dagestan has very little relevance to what's happening in Israel/Gaza.

Unless you're trying to paint a narrative of the conflict there being "Jewish people versus the world" and some folks clearly do have that aim.

Not sure who you're talking to here, if me, I'm just trying to find out from C69, why Jews being hunted by Russians, has any relevance to his point that Israel still having flights to Russia.

I has wrongly thought that all Western countries had cut ties with Russia and fins it remarkable Israel still trade with Russia and fly there. Quite simple really, USA's biggest ally still dealing with the Russians for me is quite astounding

As pointed out, EU claim it was for safety reasons. Canada still has flights to Russia for instance. So, accordingly, we'd expect Russians to hunt down any Canadians that landed there?

[laurent]

There has been bomb scares for about a month against Schools airport and train station since the murder of a teacher by a Russian cretin (see the relationship)

Funny enough the rallies supporting Israel / Palestine have happened without issues despite the government forbidding a lot of pro Palestine rally.

My opinion on this conflict is that there are Two bunch of utter cunts.

[Raggs]

There has been bomb scares for about a month against Schools airport and train station since the murder of a teacher by a Russian cretin (see the relationship)

Funny enough the rallies supporting Israel / Palestine have happened without issues despite the government forbidding a lot of pro Palestine rally.

My opinion on this conflict is that there are Two bunch of utter cunts.

This one? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67101089

Happened after Israel/Gaza kicked off.

[laurent]

There has been bomb scares for about a month against Schools airport and train station since the murder of a teacher by a Russian cretin (see the relationship)

Funny enough the rallies supporting Israel / Palestine have happened without issues despite the government forbidding a lot of pro Palestine rally.

My opinion on this conflict is that there are Two bunch of utter cunts.

This one? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67101089

Happened after Israel/Gaza kicked off.

Yes and the guy had been on the police watch for a short while. It's rather unrelated as Tchetchen are completely nuts. (Isis is not involved with heathens like the Palestinians ,they tend to want to cure them of Heresy)

[Uncle fester]

Shall we go to the 20+ Jewish schools in Paris that were evacuated today due to bomb threats then?

Much more relevant yes. Were the threats happening with the same frequency pre-Oct 7th?

I don't know about France, but in the UK incidents have gone up more than 13x https://www.theguardian.com/news/2023/o ... r-met-says

I highly doubt it's any different in France.

Agreed. De-escalation would be helpful.

[Raggs]

Much more relevant yes. Were the threats happening with the same frequency pre-Oct 7th?

I don't know about France, but in the UK incidents have gone up more than 13x https://www.theguardian.com/news/2023/o ... r-met-says

I highly doubt it's any different in France.

Agreed. De-escalation would be helpful.

I don't see this problem ever getting better whilst Hamas are in place, and as they don't consider it their responsibility to look after the people of Gaza, they will never be in a position to negotiate with good intentions.

[Uncle fester]

I don't know about France, but in the UK incidents have gone up more than 13x https://www.theguardian.com/news/2023/o ... r-met-says

I highly doubt it's any different in France.

Agreed. De-escalation would be helpful.

I don't see this problem ever getting better whilst Hamas are in place, and as they don't consider it their responsibility to look after the people of Gaza, they will never be in a position to negotiate with good intentions.

They cannot be defeated (or eliminated) by military means.

[Raggs]

Agreed. De-escalation would be helpful.

I don't see this problem ever getting better whilst Hamas are in place, and as they don't consider it their responsibility to look after the people of Gaza, they will never be in a position to negotiate with good intentions.

They cannot be defeated by military means.

Why not? And what means can they be defeated by? They have the money, guns, control, media etc in Gaza. They are the government there. They don't care about the populace. They have 500km of tunnels underneath for their own use. Infrastrcture, supplies, equipment etc are all taken by them if they want it, they can smuggle in more arms etc.

[Uncle fester]

Because it's a insurgency. Tanks and jets shooting up buildings, killing non-combatants just fuels the next generation of terrorists and makes the opposition stronger, not weaker.

If the tactics Israel is using worked, Afghanistan would have been pacified by the Russians, let alone the Americans.

[C69]

Not sure who you're talking to here, if me, I'm just trying to find out from C69, why Jews being hunted by Russians, has any relevance to his point that Israel still having flights to Russia.

I has wrongly thought that all Western countries had cut ties with Russia and fins it remarkable Israel still trade with Russia and fly there. Quite simple really, USA's biggest ally still dealing with the Russians for me is quite astounding

As pointed out, EU claim it was for safety reasons. Canada still has flights to Russia for instance. So, accordingly, we'd expect Russians to hunt down any Canadians that landed there?

Fair enough if it was just about flights but FFS Israel have been increasing their trade with Russia and making hay whilst all others shun these warmongering cunts

[Raggs]

Because it's a insurgency. Tanks and jets shooting up buildings, killing non-combatants just fuels the next generation of terrorists and makes the opposition stronger, not weaker.

If the tactics Israel is using worked, Afghanistan would have been pacified by the Russians, let alone the Americans.

It's not an insurgency. It's the democratically elected leaders of Gaza. Now admittedly, they haven't allowed later elections, but they are the government, they re in charge of the area. It's not like there's some semi reasonable government just being undermined by them.

[David in Gwent]

Agreed. De-escalation would be helpful.

I don't see this problem ever getting better whilst Hamas are in place, and as they don't consider it their responsibility to look after the people of Gaza, they will never be in a position to negotiate with good intentions.

They cannot be defeated (or eliminated) by military means.

The IDF are going to give it a good go though.

Let's call Hamas what they are, Islamists, motivated entirely by the writings in their cult book.

You can't negotiate with people like that so their total anhiliation is the only solution.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

I don't see this problem ever getting better whilst Hamas are in place, and as they don't consider it their responsibility to look after the people of Gaza, they will never be in a position to negotiate with good intentions.

They cannot be defeated by military means.

Why not? And what means can they be defeated by? They have the money, guns, control, media etc in Gaza. They are the government there. They don't care about the populace. They have 500km of tunnels underneath for their own use. Infrastrcture, supplies, equipment etc are all taken by them if they want it, they can smuggle in more arms etc.

Sadly either nobody knows, or if they do they're keeping very quiet about it because nobody so far has had a good idea they're letting anyone know about.

If Israel manage to bomb/starve a people into a peaceful future fair play, I have my doubts, but I can't say I wouldn't want similar actions were it my friends and family under attack.

[Tilly Orifice]

I don't see this problem ever getting better whilst Hamas are in place, and as they don't consider it their responsibility to look after the people of Gaza, they will never be in a position to negotiate with good intentions.

They cannot be defeated (or eliminated) by military means.

The IDF are going to give it a good go though.

Let's call Hamas what they are, Islamists, motivated entirely by the writings in their cult book.

You can't negotiate with people like that so their total anhiliation is the only solution.

This is why there will always be a Hamas.

[Guy Smiley]

You can't negotiate with people like that so their total anhiliation is the only solution.

They're in a concentration camp now, may as well just gas em, eh?

[C69]

I don't see this problem ever getting better whilst Hamas are in place, and as they don't consider it their responsibility to look after the people of Gaza, they will never be in a position to negotiate with good intentions.

They cannot be defeated (or eliminated) by military means.

The IDF are going to give it a good go though.

Let's call Hamas what they are, Islamists, motivated entirely by the writings in their cult book.

You can't negotiate with people like that so their total anhiliation is the only solution.

Seems like a sort of final solution tbh.
Just a simple question, if you want to totally annihilate these people.
Do you have pow camps or just kill every Hamas soldier you capture.
The reason I ask if because Regev suggested a few days ago now POW would be kept alive.
He used words like you and suggested they would just be executed.

[Uncle fester]

Interesting article. Long but worth a read.
https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/l ... aw-yaakov/

[Line6 HXFX]

So if Hamas were hiding inside Israel, amongst the Jewish pop, would the IDF be using the exact same scorched earth policy as they are whilst Hamas are in amongst the Palistinian population? And if not (there is no fucking way they would), they are not really targeting Hamas at all. They are indescrinantly attacking everywhere.

Already, many of the Isreali victims families are saying the attacks inside Palestine and Gaza are sickenning revenge attacks on palestinians by Isreal, and should stop.

Revenge attacks are not "defending yourself".

This is more like Nazies lining up whole towns of innocent French people, after French Resistance fighters carried out their operations,

[Raggs]

So if Hamas were hiding inside Israel, amongst the Jewish pop, would the IDF be using the exact same scorched earth policy as they are whilst Hamas are in amongst the Palistinian population? And if not (there is no fucking way they would), they are not really targeting Hamas at all. They are indescrinantly attacking everywhere.

Already, many of the Isreali victims families are saying the attacks inside Palestine and Gaza are sickenning revenge attacks on palestinians by Isreal, and should stop.

Revenge attacks are not "defending yourself".

This is more like Nazies lining up whole towns of innocent French people, after French Resistance fighters carried out their operations,

If there was a non-governmental uprising, not capable of building 500km of tunnels under Israel, not capable of building under schools and hospitals, and setting up rocket placements next to kindgartens, not capable of using schools as weapon caches (and when those weapons are discovered, simply getting them back). Then no, it would not go down the same way, because it's in no way a comparable scenario.

[Uncle fester]

Because it's a insurgency. Tanks and jets shooting up buildings, killing non-combatants just fuels the next generation of terrorists and makes the opposition stronger, not weaker.

If the tactics Israel is using worked, Afghanistan would have been pacified by the Russians, let alone the Americans.

It's not an insurgency. It's the democratically elected leaders of Gaza. Now admittedly, they haven't allowed later elections, but they are the government, they re in charge of the area. It's not like there's some semi reasonable government just being undermined by them.

Ah come on. It's a classic insurgency.

An insurgency is a violent, armed rebellion by small, lightly armed bands who practice guerrilla warfare from primarily rural base areas against a larger authority. The key descriptive feature of insurgency is its asymmetric nature: small irregular forces face a large, well-equipped, regular military force state adversary. Due to this asymmetry, insurgents avoid large-scale direct battles, opting instead to blend in with the civilian population (mainly in the countryside) where they gradually expand territorial control and military forces. Insurgency frequently hinges on control of and collaboration with local populations.

Aside from the rural component, that's Hamas to a T.

As to how to deal with it, have a read of David Galula's ideas.

[petej]

Urban areas are probably more suited to insurgency than rural areas. If I was Israeli I would be asking questions of what does mission complete look like. The Ukrainians have a very clear aims in their war which is a major advantage for them. Russia less so at this stage.

[Raggs]

Because it's a insurgency. Tanks and jets shooting up buildings, killing non-combatants just fuels the next generation of terrorists and makes the opposition stronger, not weaker.

If the tactics Israel is using worked, Afghanistan would have been pacified by the Russians, let alone the Americans.

It's not an insurgency. It's the democratically elected leaders of Gaza. Now admittedly, they haven't allowed later elections, but they are the government, they re in charge of the area. It's not like there's some semi reasonable government just being undermined by them.

Ah come on. It's a classic insurgency.

An insurgency is a violent, armed rebellion by small, lightly armed bands who practice guerrilla warfare from primarily rural base areas against a larger authority. The key descriptive feature of insurgency is its asymmetric nature: small irregular forces face a large, well-equipped, regular military force state adversary. Due to this asymmetry, insurgents avoid large-scale direct battles, opting instead to blend in with the civilian population (mainly in the countryside) where they gradually expand territorial control and military forces. Insurgency frequently hinges on control of and collaboration with local populations.

Aside from the rural component, that's Hamas to a T.

As to how to deal with it, have a read of David Galula's ideas.

Hold on.

We need to do away with lightly armed, these guys have rockets capable of travelling hundreds of kilometers with large payloads. They aren't heavily armed, sure, but lightly is incorrect.

We need to do away with rural bases.

We need to do away practicing warfare against a larger authority to some degree, these guys attack civilians over military.

We also need to do away with expanding territorial control.

And continuing from your Wikipedia definition:

"Where a revolt takes the form of armed rebellion, it may not be viewed as an insurgency if a state of belligerency exists between one or more sovereign states and rebel forces"

We are seeing warfare between two governments. It is not an insurgency.

[David in Gwent]

They cannot be defeated (or eliminated) by military means.

The IDF are going to give it a good go though.

Let's call Hamas what they are, Islamists, motivated entirely by the writings in their cult book.

You can't negotiate with people like that so their total anhiliation is the only solution.

Seems like a sort of final solution tbh.
Just a simple question, if you want to totally annihilate these people.
Do you have pow camps or just kill every Hamas soldier you capture.
The reason I ask if because Regev suggested a few days ago now POW would be kept alive.
He used words like you and suggested they would just be executed.

I don't think you and others here know the mindset of Hamas. You think you do, but you don't.

Hamas need to be destroyed, utterly and an example set of what happens when you attack a country and commit an attempted genocide on innocent people.

What's really starting to worry me from the non-left/woke side of the West is that people are starting to think the Israeli civvies weren't innocent.

[David in Gwent]

You can't negotiate with people like that so their total anhiliation is the only solution.

They're in a concentration camp now, may as well just gas em, eh?

A concentration camp that get's 100 of millions of pounds a year in aid, which they then choose to spend on their military.

6 Times the people of Palestine were offered a two state solution, 6 times they refused.

Hamas and the people that support them asked for this Hell.

[Guy Smiley]

That’s me convinced. We HAVE to bomb their babies, they made us do it.

[David in Gwent]

When Hamas and the people who support them love their babies more than they hate the Jews this can stop.

[C69]

The IDF are going to give it a good go though.

Let's call Hamas what they are, Islamists, motivated entirely by the writings in their cult book.

You can't negotiate with people like that so their total anhiliation is the only solution.

Seems like a sort of final solution tbh.
Just a simple question, if you want to totally annihilate these people.
Do you have pow camps or just kill every Hamas soldier you capture.
The reason I ask if because Regev suggested a few days ago now POW would be kept alive.
He used words like you and suggested they would just be executed.

I don't think you and others here know the mindset of Hamas. You think you do, but you don't.

Hamas need to be destroyed, utterly and an example set of what happens when you attack a country and commit an attempted genocide on innocent people.

What's really starting to worry me from the non-left/woke side of the West is that people are starting to think the Israeli civvies weren't innocent.

What a load of horse shit. Your attempts at mind reading and pop psychology seems to have come from some fringe bollocks.
Give yourself an upper cut or at least substantiate your musings with actual evidence.

[David in Gwent]

Seems like a sort of final solution tbh.
Just a simple question, if you want to totally annihilate these people.
Do you have pow camps or just kill every Hamas soldier you capture.
The reason I ask if because Regev suggested a few days ago now POW would be kept alive.
He used words like you and suggested they would just be executed.

I don't think you and others here know the mindset of Hamas. You think you do, but you don't.

Hamas need to be destroyed, utterly and an example set of what happens when you attack a country and commit an attempted genocide on innocent people.

What's really starting to worry me from the non-left/woke side of the West is that people are starting to think the Israeli civvies weren't innocent.

What a load of horse shit. You attempts at mind reading and pop psychology seems to have come from some fringe bollocks.
Give yourself an upper cut or at least substantiate your musings with actual evidence.

Actual evidence?

Like senior Labour MPs talking about "from the river to the sea"?

It doesn't matter he's been suspended, the damage has been done.

[Tilly Orifice]

Seems like a sort of final solution tbh.
Just a simple question, if you want to totally annihilate these people.
Do you have pow camps or just kill every Hamas soldier you capture.
The reason I ask if because Regev suggested a few days ago now POW would be kept alive.
He used words like you and suggested they would just be executed.

I don't think you and others here know the mindset of Hamas. You think you do, but you don't.

Hamas need to be destroyed, utterly and an example set of what happens when you attack a country and commit an attempted genocide on innocent people.

What's really starting to worry me from the non-left/woke side of the West is that people are starting to think the Israeli civvies weren't innocent.

What a load of horse shit. Your attempts at mind reading and pop psychology seems to have come from some fringe bollocks.
Give yourself an upper cut or at least substantiate your musings with actual evidence.

The man seems to live his life in some kind of fatuous cross between a Daily Mail article and a Facebook group. It's all gotchas and slogans.

[shaggy]

I don't think you and others here know the mindset of Hamas. You think you do, but you don't.

Hamas need to be destroyed, utterly and an example set of what happens when you attack a country and commit an attempted genocide on innocent people.

What's really starting to worry me from the non-left/woke side of the West is that people are starting to think the Israeli civvies weren't innocent.

What a load of horse shit. Your attempts at mind reading and pop psychology seems to have come from some fringe bollocks.
Give yourself an upper cut or at least substantiate your musings with actual evidence.

The man seems to live his life in some kind of fatuous cross between a Daily Mail article and a Facebook group. It's all gotchas and slogans.

Aren’t Refry and DAC just alternate egos of another poster with too much time on their hands?

Surely neither are real people?

[Raggs]

Aren’t Refry and DAC just alternate egos of another poster with too much time on their hands?

Surely neither are real people?

I'd certainly hope not.

[David in Gwent]

Always playing the man, never the ball.