Chauvin/Floyd trial

[Uncle fester]

Amazed it took this long.
Bit irresponsible having him mixed with general prison population though.

[Ymx]

Is that autopsy report floating around actually real, or fabricated?

[Blackmac]

Oh dear how absolutely terrible
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67529163

Nice to know you actually want this man dead. Just wondering if you support the death penalty or is it just mob justice for your own particular causes.

[Ymx]

Found it. This one



Is this real? Or bollocks?

[C69]

Oh dear how absolutely terrible
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67529163

Nice to know you actually want this man dead. Just wondering if you support the death penalty or is it just mob justice for your own particular causes.

I support the death penalty in some cases.

[Blackmac]

Oh dear how absolutely terrible
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67529163

Nice to know you actually want this man dead. Just wondering if you support the death penalty or is it just mob justice for your own particular causes.

I support the death penalty in some cases.

And on the scale of those cases do you think he deserves it, because if you do you must support killing just about every murderer.

[Blackmac]

Found it. This one



Is this real? Or bollocks?

It could well be real but just about every well trained cop should understand the dangerous of restraining someone the way they did, especially if they have certain drugs in their system. That would not necessarily show during an autopsy because there could be little or no visible injury.

[convoluted]

Found it. This one



Is this real? Or bollocks?

It could well be real but just about every well trained cop should understand the dangerous of restraining someone the way they did, especially if they have certain drugs in their system. That would not necessarily show during an autopsy because there could be little or no visible injury.

Floyd was restrained in the exact way that policeman Chauvin had been taught to act when dealing with a highly erratic suspect, which Floyd certainly was.

And just how was Chavin supposed to know that within his system Floyd had a fatal 11 level of fetanyl?
In conjunction with his myriad other severe health problems, that overdose amount of fetanyl meant Floyd was on the verge of death before he even exited the car.

[Gumboot]

Floyd was restrained in the exact way that policeman Chauvin had been taught to act when dealing with a highly erratic suspect, which Floyd certainly was.

And just how was Chavin supposed to know that within his system Floyd had a fatal 11 level of fetanyl?
In conjunction with his myriad other severe health problems, that overdose amount of fetanyl meant Floyd was on the verge of death before he even exited the car.

Jeez, I wonder how a jury of Chauvin's peers saw things so differently to you, then.

Are you suggesting that US police officers are trained to commit murder, and therefore this mitigated his crime?

[Blackmac]

Found it. This one



Is this real? Or bollocks?

It could well be real but just about every well trained cop should understand the dangerous of restraining someone the way they did, especially if they have certain drugs in their system. That would not necessarily show during an autopsy because there could be little or no visible injury.

Floyd was restrained in the exact way that policeman Chauvin had been taught to act when dealing with a highly erratic suspect, which Floyd certainly was.

And just how was Chavin supposed to know that within his system Floyd had a fatal 11 level of fetanyl?
In conjunction with his myriad other severe health problems, that overdose amount of fetanyl meant Floyd was on the verge of death before he even exited the car.

Yes but not for that length of time. 9 minutes was completely unnecessary. Look up positional asphyxiation. No one knows if a restrained suspect has drugs or alcohol in their system but a cop should act appropriately to ensure that if they do then they aren't doing anything to exacerbate any potential underlying issues.

You can argue all you want but I served for 28 years and in the UK we are more aware of these issues as we tend to control and restrain our suspects rather than use firearms.

[Ymx]

Thanks for clearing that up Blackmac

[inactionman]

Found it. This one



Is this real? Or bollocks?

It could well be real but just about every well trained cop should understand the dangerous of restraining someone the way they did, especially if they have certain drugs in their system. That would not necessarily show during an autopsy because there could be little or no visible injury.

Floyd was restrained in the exact way that policeman Chauvin had been taught to act when dealing with a highly erratic suspect, which Floyd certainly was.

And just how was Chavin supposed to know that within his system Floyd had a fatal 11 level of fetanyl?
In conjunction with his myriad other severe health problems, that overdose amount of fetanyl meant Floyd was on the verge of death before he even exited the car.

You appear to be saying American policeman are trained to kill suspects. That can't be what you meant, surely.

[Gumboot]

[Gumboot]

US police academies spend far more time on firearms training than on de-escalating a situation - 71 hours against 21, on average, according to a 2013 US Bureau of Justice Statistics report.

And in the US, the escalation of force is at the discretion of the officer, whereas in countries such as Norway and Finland, there are more rigorous rules as to what is considered justified use of force.

Prof Haberfeld says: "Most of the training in the US is focused on various types of use of force, primarily the various types of physical force. The communication skills are largely ignored by most police academies.

"This is why you see officers very rapidly escalating from initial communication to the actual physical use of force, because this is how they train."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56834733

[Gumboot]

[Marylandolorian]

Prof Haberfeld says: "Most of the training in the US is focused on various types of use of force, primarily the various types of physical force. The communication skills are largely ignored by most police academies.

"This is why you see officers very rapidly escalating from initial communication to the actual physical use of force, because this is how they train."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56834733

A major issue wasn’t mentioned in this article is that since the Irak / Afghanistan wars most of the new recruits and equipments come from the militaries. So instead of Serve & Protect it’s Shoot & Kill.

[Uncle fester]

Prof Haberfeld says: "Most of the training in the US is focused on various types of use of force, primarily the various types of physical force. The communication skills are largely ignored by most police academies.

"This is why you see officers very rapidly escalating from initial communication to the actual physical use of force, because this is how they train."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56834733

A major issue wasn’t mentioned in this article is that since the Irak / Afghanistan wars most of the new recruits and equipments come from the militaries. So instead of Serve & Protect it’s Shoot & Kill.

They openly use militaristic language like "tours of duty" as if they are going to Afghanistan.

[Blackmac]

I don't know where they get those figures but in the UK every officer does minimum 2 years training until they are confirmed. That's a lot more than the 2250 hours they are showing there so whoever compiled that is just making figures up. They then do regular professional improvement throughout their career.

[Gumboot]

I don't know where they get those figures but in the UK every officer does minimum 2 years training until they are confirmed. That's a lot more than the 2250 hours they are showing there so whoever compiled that is just making figures up. They then do regular professional improvement throughout their career.

Fair enough, I'm sure UK cops are very well trained. Much more so than their American counterparts, that's for damn sure.

When I was living in Taiwan, I saw poorly trained cops behaving ineptly in pressure situations numerous times. It was usually comical buffoonery and we'd just roll our eyes, but a couple of times it got out of hand and guns were drawn. That's when you realise that arming a poorly trained cop is never a good idea.

[inactionman]

The aspect that really worries me is the power of the police unions - you'd think they'd be keen to set a high standard of behaviour, but all they seem to do is excuse the worst excesses and encourage a 'them-versus-us' mentality.

Not great, given the already discussed lack of training - particularly of anything around actually engaging with people - and given the ridiculous surfeit of guns and the military kit.

[Blake]

Found it. This one



Is this real? Or bollocks?

It could well be real but just about every well trained cop should understand the dangerous of restraining someone the way they did, especially if they have certain drugs in their system. That would not necessarily show during an autopsy because there could be little or no visible injury.

Floyd was restrained in the exact way that policeman Chauvin had been taught to act when dealing with a highly erratic suspect, which Floyd certainly was.

Instersting.

Funny that an actual instructor from Minneapolis Police Department's training division the disagrees with you...under oath.

It's almost like you have no idea what you are talking about and have some kind of agenda.