Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Biffer]

I’ve been referencing a 20 year+ period. We’re at the beginning of the largest inter-generational transfer of wealth this country has ever seen
Look at the average house price in London, for example, then look at the IHT exempt thresholds. You don’t need to have a mansion in the suburbs to have a large exposure to this.

Latest figures show that fewer than one in 20 estates pay inheritance tax. Specifically, nearly 4% of deaths result in the payment of inheritance tax, which is about 27,000 estates a year.

Yes and that number will go up as boomers who have benefited from a massive surge in house prices die off, which is why IHT related politics is smart, which is what started this discussion.

Fwiw these figures are always going to be low, to start with a massive chunk of estates will pass to the surviving spouse. Others of course with the resources/smarts/trustworthy kids get around it with clever planning.

One example - there’s a four bed house on the end of my road. They just accepted an offer for £1.25m, their parents bought it for less than £200k back in the day. People can put two and two together and work out they might end up with a tax bill

Why shouldn’t they pay tax on that £1million they’ve done fuck all to earn?

[Paddington Bear]

Latest figures show that fewer than one in 20 estates pay inheritance tax. Specifically, nearly 4% of deaths result in the payment of inheritance tax, which is about 27,000 estates a year.

Yes and that number will go up as boomers who have benefited from a massive surge in house prices die off, which is why IHT related politics is smart, which is what started this discussion.

Fwiw these figures are always going to be low, to start with a massive chunk of estates will pass to the surviving spouse. Others of course with the resources/smarts/trustworthy kids get around it with clever planning.

One example - there’s a four bed house on the end of my road. They just accepted an offer for £1.25m, their parents bought it for less than £200k back in the day. People can put two and two together and work out they might end up with a tax bill

Why shouldn’t they pay tax on that £1million they’ve done fuck all to earn?

Spare the morals. I’m explaining why scrapping IHT is likely to be politically popular, as polling backs up

[C69]

So, YMX, what do *you* think should have happened to the pro-palestine protesters? You say things like 'they should have been policed'. I don't quote understand what you mean by that? How do you think they should have been policed differently?

They should have been arrested for causing public disorder and climbing over memorials and desecrating them with a Palestinian flag.

They should be policed more in line with how the just stop oil, green peace activists are being policed.

The met police should have arrested people on the spot rather than turning a blind eye to blatant hate crimes. Calling for Jihad, the numerous hate banners calling for eradication of Israelis. They have only stood back whilst they are there in big numbers, and then subsequently reacted to online photos.

The met police shouldn’t be having photos taken holding Palestinian flags. They shouldn’t be taking pictures with kids dressed up as terrorists.

You know, that kind of thing …

How do you do that when you have 2000 police and 300000 protestors? Wading into a crowd to arrest people is more likely to increase conflict than prevent it. And when you make an arrest you’re then removing officers from the front line to deal with the arrest - so leaving your colleagues more vulnerable. Identifying them and making later arrests is a better procedure and more likely to maintain public order.

Bloody good job there were not the same percentage of violent loons on the Pro Palestine march as there were on the Fascists stoming of the Centotaph and attacks on the Police. Let's hope those Hamas supporters shouting antisemitic diatribes and carrying Swastika flags are arrested.
YMX'S attempts to defend the EDL are sickening. The bastartards were gaoding the policing and tried to storm the Centotaph ffs.

[Ymx]

Interesting development, the BTP are actually handling it.



Unfortunately, it’s now over to the met. As they left.

[Ymx]

Note the successful strategy.

[Ymx]

And here we have the met, now admitting to ignoring “from the river to the sea”

[Simian]

In simple terms if 70% of knife crimes are by Romanian gangs, I’d expect 70% of searches to be of Romanians lurking on the streets. Even if Romanians represented 10% of the population.

Statistically, on a very basic level it would be incorrect for knife crime prevention to only be searching 10%.

The suggestion that there are only more arrests of a certain segment because they are searched more is not the case.

Likewise, it would be moronic to be searching people over 50 years old proportionately with those between 15-30.

But if the measure of success is to stop and search according to targeting population demographics then you will inherently create a problematic system.

Which is exactly what the whistleblower was saying.

So, quite a lot of things you’ve said you’ve read all discuss why this argument is specious.

So did you lie about reading them or not understand them?

[Simian]

So, YMX, what do *you* think should have happened to the pro-palestine protesters? You say things like 'they should have been policed'. I don't quote understand what you mean by that? How do you think they should have been policed differently?

They should have been arrested for causing public disorder and climbing over memorials and desecrating them with a Palestinian flag.

They should be policed more in line with how the just stop oil, green peace activists are being policed.

The met police should have arrested people on the spot rather than turning a blind eye to blatant hate crimes. Calling for Jihad, the numerous hate banners calling for eradication of Israelis. They have only stood back whilst they are there in big numbers, and then subsequently reacted to online photos.

The met police shouldn’t be having photos taken holding Palestinian flags. They shouldn’t be taking pictures with kids dressed up as terrorists.

You know, that kind of thing …

I didn’t realise being a child and being photographed with a policewoman was actually a crime.

Now answer the simple questions, please

[Muttonbird]

Interesting development, the BTP are actually handling it.



Unfortunately, it’s now over to the met. As they left.

I didn't realise the BTP was an Israeli supremacist organisation.

[Ymx]

So, YMX, what do *you* think should have happened to the pro-palestine protesters? You say things like 'they should have been policed'. I don't quote understand what you mean by that? How do you think they should have been policed differently?

They should have been arrested for causing public disorder and climbing over memorials and desecrating them with a Palestinian flag.

They should be policed more in line with how the just stop oil, green peace activists are being policed.

The met police should have arrested people on the spot rather than turning a blind eye to blatant hate crimes. Calling for Jihad, the numerous hate banners calling for eradication of Israelis. They have only stood back whilst they are there in big numbers, and then subsequently reacted to online photos.

The met police shouldn’t be having photos taken holding Palestinian flags. They shouldn’t be taking pictures with kids dressed up as terrorists.

You know, that kind of thing …

I didn’t realise being a child and being photographed with a policewoman was actually a crime.

Now answer the simple questions, please

You are failing to grasp what was said.

Read it back when you’re sober.

[Simian]

They should have been arrested for causing public disorder and climbing over memorials and desecrating them with a Palestinian flag.

They should be policed more in line with how the just stop oil, green peace activists are being policed.

The met police should have arrested people on the spot rather than turning a blind eye to blatant hate crimes. Calling for Jihad, the numerous hate banners calling for eradication of Israelis. They have only stood back whilst they are there in big numbers, and then subsequently reacted to online photos.

The met police shouldn’t be having photos taken holding Palestinian flags. They shouldn’t be taking pictures with kids dressed up as terrorists.

You know, that kind of thing …

I didn’t realise being a child and being photographed with a policewoman was actually a crime.

Now answer the simple questions, please

You are failing to grasp what was said.

Read it back when you’re sober.

can you tell me what among that is a crime? Specifically.. to be clear; I’m not claiming none of it was. I want to know what you think was.

And can you expand on what you mean by it should be policed like just stop oil etc? I think there’s a very big difference. Including in law.

I see you throw out the ‘sober up’ thing a lot. I’ve asked a bunch of questions and you’ve answered none. I think I know why and it’s not me boozing.

[Simian]

And here we have the met, now admitting to ignoring “from the river to the sea”

what do you mean 'ignoring'?

The reply makes it clear that in a protest setting without any other aggravating factors, they don't view it as actionable.

Why do you think that chanting it, in a protest setting and in the absence of aggravating factors, is something they should act on? Like, it's literally in keeping with their published guidance on exactly this issue?

And more fundamentally, why do you think them acknowledging it happened but not deeming it actionable (and having published guidance on exactly this) is 'ignoring' it? It's not, right? It's explicitly acknowledging, preparing, and giving clarity around it, no?

You do seem to equate "saw it, heard it, but it's not an offence" with "ignored and pretended it didn't happen" an awful lot in your thinking. I'm increasingly of the view that you simply don't agree that people should be allowed to peacefully protest when their views don't align with your own. I've tried as much as possible to give you the chance to clarify your position and you've chosen not to, which is absolutely your right. But I'd be truly keen to hear what you think and find it unhelpful that you keep pushing these sorts of views, claiming to be misunderstood when they're challenged, but refuse to clarify exactly what you think the problem is.

[Simian]

They should have been arrested for causing public disorder and climbing over memorials and desecrating them with a Palestinian flag.

They should be policed more in line with how the just stop oil, green peace activists are being policed.

The met police should have arrested people on the spot rather than turning a blind eye to blatant hate crimes. Calling for Jihad, the numerous hate banners calling for eradication of Israelis. They have only stood back whilst they are there in big numbers, and then subsequently reacted to online photos.

The met police shouldn’t be having photos taken holding Palestinian flags. They shouldn’t be taking pictures with kids dressed up as terrorists.

You know, that kind of thing …

I didn’t realise being a child and being photographed with a policewoman was actually a crime.

Now answer the simple questions, please

You are failing to grasp what was said.

Read it back when you’re sober.

I guess my point is that do you truly believe that you’re accurately characterising the protests and protestors there? You talk a lot like you think the EDL got a tough deal and the pro-Palestinian protesters were somehow doing the same things but got away with them. Like your ‘intuition’ that the Met are some sort of woke lefty collective, I’m just really struggling to see how you’ve arrived at those conclusions

[sockwithaticket]

I didn’t realise being a child and being photographed with a policewoman was actually a crime.

Now answer the simple questions, please

You are failing to grasp what was said.

Read it back when you’re sober.

I guess my point is that do you truly believe that you’re accurately characterising the protests and protestors there? You talk a lot like you think the EDL got a tough deal and the pro-Palestinian protesters were somehow doing the same things but got away with them. Like your ‘intuition’ that the Met are some sort of woke lefty collective, I’m just really struggling to see how you’ve arrived at those conclusions

Look at the social media sources he posts. That's where the world view comes from, alt-right/far right twitter.

[_Os_]

The inheritance tax stuff is stupid. Anyone sitting on a huge pot has already structured it in such a way that they're not paying any inheritance tax (lots of methods to do this). Any rule change is a dig out for people that don't know what they're doing, the people that think they're liable but aren't or know that they are liable but didn't plan anything because they didn't expect to be.

Once they're dug out, that's more free money that will be thrown into property. The one area the UK is happy to have unchecked inflation is in property. It's still just one house, there has been no increase in real wealth. It's a massive misallocation of resources, not much of a stretch to say the UK economy is property given how large the debt pile connected to it is now.

The UK is on the same path of as HK, both followed Thatcherism/neoliberal policies early and strongly. Both nuked their manufacturing sector which was large, through the state not supporting it. Both financialised. Both have a large amount of land they refuse to build on, and artificially inflated property prices through not building. The UK seems to be determined to have an insane average house price, already at nearly £300K, wouldn't rule out going above £1m like HK if this cultural/political/policy situation doesn't change. The blunt truth is if someone leveraged to the eyeballs and ignored all risk buying as much property as they could, then they did well over last 30 years, or 20 years, or 10 years. If someone did the same thing starting a traditional business (trading, manufacturing, whatever), then it has probably gone bust by now.

Taxation is a good way to decrease inflation.

[sefton]

The Tories, champions of free speech, scourge of leftie snowflake cancel culture.

Fifteen government departments have been monitoring the social media activity of potential critics and compiling “secret files” in order to block them from speaking at public events, the Observer can reveal.

Under the guidelines issued in each department, including the departments of health, culture, media and sport, and environment, food and rural affairs, officials are advised to check experts’ Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn accounts. They are also told to conduct Google searches on those individuals, using specific terms such as “criticism of government or prime minister”.

[Line6 HXFX]

So if you can't work, you can work. Employers are benevolent chaps, who are all like social workers, and they are desperate to employ our most crippled, pain suffering and disabled amongst us. So we need to push the sick into work.

This magical thinking shit is again going to terrorise and kill a fuck lot of people.

Not that anyone here gives a shit.

Taxcuts. Whooohoo.

God fucking help us.

[Ymx]

And here we have the met, now admitting to ignoring “from the river to the sea”

what do you mean 'ignoring'?

The reply makes it clear that in a protest setting without any other aggravating factors, they don't view it as actionable.

Why do you think that chanting it, in a protest setting and in the absence of aggravating factors, is something they should act on? Like, it's literally in keeping with their published guidance on exactly this issue?

And more fundamentally, why do you think them acknowledging it happened but not deeming it actionable (and having published guidance on exactly this) is 'ignoring' it? It's not, right? It's explicitly acknowledging, preparing, and giving clarity around it, no?

You do seem to equate "saw it, heard it, but it's not an offence" with "ignored and pretended it didn't happen" an awful lot in your thinking. I'm increasingly of the view that you simply don't agree that people should be allowed to peacefully protest when their views don't align with your own. I've tried as much as possible to give you the chance to clarify your position and you've chosen not to, which is absolutely your right. But I'd be truly keen to hear what you think and find it unhelpful that you keep pushing these sorts of views, claiming to be misunderstood when they're challenged, but refuse to clarify exactly what you think the problem is.

In very simple terms, they are not actioning a call for genocide as a hate crime. There is certainly nothing peaceful about inciting genocide. I’m surprised you think differently.

[sefton]

So if you can't work, you can work. Employers are benevolent chaps, who are all like social workers, and they are desperate to employ our most crippled, pain suffering and disabled amongst us. So we need to push the sick into work.

This magical thinking shit is again going to terrorise and kill a fuck lot of people.

Not that anyone here gives a shit.

Taxcuts. Whooohoo.

God fucking help us.

C69 gets to avoid inheritance tax on his estate and you get the pleasure of cleaning out his stables. Don’t know what the fuck you are crying about.

[Ymx]

I didn’t realise being a child and being photographed with a policewoman was actually a crime.

Now answer the simple questions, please

You are failing to grasp what was said.

Read it back when you’re sober.

can you tell me what among that is a crime? Specifically.. to be clear; I’m not claiming none of it was. I want to know what you think was.

And can you expand on what you mean by it should be policed like just stop oil etc? I think there’s a very big difference. Including in law.

I see you throw out the ‘sober up’ thing a lot. I’ve asked a bunch of questions and you’ve answered none. I think I know why and it’s not me boozing.

I have already been quite clear on which part is illegal. And what the met are ignoring.

The photo with the kid and the photo of them holding up a Palestine flag, and fist bumping the protestors is what I’d call a show of political bias.

This was how they used to deal with memorials

[Ymx]

You are failing to grasp what was said.

Read it back when you’re sober.

I guess my point is that do you truly believe that you’re accurately characterising the protests and protestors there? You talk a lot like you think the EDL got a tough deal and the pro-Palestinian protesters were somehow doing the same things but got away with them. Like your ‘intuition’ that the Met are some sort of woke lefty collective, I’m just really struggling to see how you’ve arrived at those conclusions

Look at the social media sources he posts. That's where the world view comes from, alt-right/far right twitter.

I’m sorry you are seeing things you don’t like to read.

[C69]

I guess my point is that do you truly believe that you’re accurately characterising the protests and protestors there? You talk a lot like you think the EDL got a tough deal and the pro-Palestinian protesters were somehow doing the same things but got away with them. Like your ‘intuition’ that the Met are some sort of woke lefty collective, I’m just really struggling to see how you’ve arrived at those conclusions

Look at the social media sources he posts. That's where the world view comes from, alt-right/far right twitter.

I’m sorry you are seeing things you don’t like to read.

Sorry but that made no sense at all.
Tbh most people would not like to see the far right racist and sources you post.
However, I say continue spamming the bored with the reactionary hate sources.
It's refreshing to see the sites and sources you seemingly adore..

[Line6 HXFX]

So to get me into work, I would have to be out of pain (they are only giving me paracetamol, as cocodomal doesn't work, and ibuprofen affects my heart meds). The only way to go for me is morphine, and no fucker is working on morphine.

I would have to be not irritable as fuck, my PTSD scores should be below 15 (currently at 40). My concentration is done. I would have to have an employer who doesn't give two shits if I turn up for work or do any work or not....because the pain is so debilitating I am knackered a lot of the time, I would be a burden and a misery.

When I worked in social services they had a guy with Cerebral Palsey who they gave a desk to. He turned up, grunted a lot, frightened the women in the office, I liked him, I can aspire to have his job.

Yay.. so maybe I can do that..not sure he was paid though, it was more babysitting,

I have a work capability assessment in a few weeks, I will be assessed as being fit for work, by people (maximus) who wouldn't even give me a job interview (to man their reception) 4 months ago. Lol. Gorra laugh.

[C69]

Yes and that number will go up as boomers who have benefited from a massive surge in house prices die off, which is why IHT related politics is smart, which is what started this discussion.

Fwiw these figures are always going to be low, to start with a massive chunk of estates will pass to the surviving spouse. Others of course with the resources/smarts/trustworthy kids get around it with clever planning.

One example - there’s a four bed house on the end of my road. They just accepted an offer for £1.25m, their parents bought it for less than £200k back in the day. People can put two and two together and work out they might end up with a tax bill

Why shouldn’t they pay tax on that £1million they’ve done fuck all to earn?

Spare the morals. I’m explaining why scrapping IHT is likely to be politically popular, as polling backs up

Gtfo if Hunt does this shit he will face the mother of all red wall Tory anger. So you not see that?
A budget for the rich is what these MPs will be saying. These are Tory MPs in the North.
It's fuck all about morals. Doing this would destroy the red wall and probably see a few more Tory MPs not even bothering to stand at the next GE.

Oh and refry have you tried Tns or nefopam?

[sockwithaticket]

Why shouldn’t they pay tax on that £1million they’ve done fuck all to earn?

Spare the morals. I’m explaining why scrapping IHT is likely to be politically popular, as polling backs up

Gtfo if Hunt does this shit he will face the mother of all red wall Tory anger. So you not see that?
A budget for the rich is what these MPs will be saying. These are Tory MPs in the North.
It's fuck all about morals. Doing this would destroy the red wall and probably see a few more Tory MPs not even bothering to stand at the next GE.

Oh and refry have you tried Tns or nefopam?

I think they've given up on any notion of trying to keep a lick of blue paint on the red wall. Barring a truly drastic implosion from Labour (not beyond the realm of possibility, unfortunately), the Tories won't be the next government and they're likely going to be surrendering a lot of seats even in relative strongholds let alone areas of new gain like the red wall.

So they'll use their remaining time to do things that benefit them/their mates and maybe throw a bone or two to the core vote in the home counties like inheritance tax changes.

[C69]

Spare the morals. I’m explaining why scrapping IHT is likely to be politically popular, as polling backs up

Gtfo if Hunt does this shit he will face the mother of all red wall Tory anger. So you not see that?
A budget for the rich is what these MPs will be saying. These are Tory MPs in the North.
It's fuck all about morals. Doing this would destroy the red wall and probably see a few more Tory MPs not even bothering to stand at the next GE.

Oh and refry have you tried Tns or nefopam?

I think they've given up on any notion of trying to keep a lick of blue paint on the red wall. Barring a truly drastic implosion from Labour (not beyond the realm of possibility, unfortunately), the Tories won't be the next government and they're likely going to be surrendering a lot of seats even in relative strongholds let alone areas of new gain like the red wall.

So they'll use their remaining time to do things that benefit them/their mates and maybe throw a bone or two to the core vote in the home counties like inheritance tax changes.

They have not stopped doing shit that benefits their mates.
I really hope that Labour go after the Billions in COVID fraud with vim and vigour. That could see a few of the Tory ex ministers being taken to task.

[sockwithaticket]

Gtfo if Hunt does this shit he will face the mother of all red wall Tory anger. So you not see that?
A budget for the rich is what these MPs will be saying. These are Tory MPs in the North.
It's fuck all about morals. Doing this would destroy the red wall and probably see a few more Tory MPs not even bothering to stand at the next GE.

Oh and refry have you tried Tns or nefopam?

I think they've given up on any notion of trying to keep a lick of blue paint on the red wall. Barring a truly drastic implosion from Labour (not beyond the realm of possibility, unfortunately), the Tories won't be the next government and they're likely going to be surrendering a lot of seats even in relative strongholds let alone areas of new gain like the red wall.

So they'll use their remaining time to do things that benefit them/their mates and maybe throw a bone or two to the core vote in the home counties like inheritance tax changes.

They have not stopped doing shit that benefits their mates.
I really hope that Labour go after the Billions in COVID fraud with vim and vigour. That could see a few of the Tory ex ministers being taken to task.

Well, no, but it's going to be even more shameless until after the election.

[Paddington Bear]

Why shouldn’t they pay tax on that £1million they’ve done fuck all to earn?

Spare the morals. I’m explaining why scrapping IHT is likely to be politically popular, as polling backs up

Gtfo if Hunt does this shit he will face the mother of all red wall Tory anger. So you not see that?
A budget for the rich is what these MPs will be saying. These are Tory MPs in the North.
It's fuck all about morals. Doing this would destroy the red wall and probably see a few more Tory MPs not even bothering to stand at the next GE.

Oh and refry have you tried Tns or nefopam?

Why are you getting so aggressive about this?

It’s a policy designed to be popular among their traditional heartlands in the south. I’ve explained why I think its smart politics. Obviously anyone who can benefit is unlikely to be on the breadline

[sefton]

Spare the morals. I’m explaining why scrapping IHT is likely to be politically popular, as polling backs up

Gtfo if Hunt does this shit he will face the mother of all red wall Tory anger. So you not see that?
A budget for the rich is what these MPs will be saying. These are Tory MPs in the North.
It's fuck all about morals. Doing this would destroy the red wall and probably see a few more Tory MPs not even bothering to stand at the next GE.

Oh and refry have you tried Tns or nefopam?

Why are you getting so aggressive about this?

It’s a policy designed to be popular among their traditional heartlands in the south. I’ve explained why I think its smart politics. Obviously anyone who can benefit is unlikely to be on the breadline

It’s idiotic politics, it would enable the agenda to become the Tories looking after the few, no different from when Truss tried to scrap the top rate of tax.

[Paddington Bear]

Gtfo if Hunt does this shit he will face the mother of all red wall Tory anger. So you not see that?
A budget for the rich is what these MPs will be saying. These are Tory MPs in the North.
It's fuck all about morals. Doing this would destroy the red wall and probably see a few more Tory MPs not even bothering to stand at the next GE.

Oh and refry have you tried Tns or nefopam?

Why are you getting so aggressive about this?

It’s a policy designed to be popular among their traditional heartlands in the south. I’ve explained why I think its smart politics. Obviously anyone who can benefit is unlikely to be on the breadline

It’s idiotic politics, it would enable the agenda to become the Tories looking after the few, no different from when Truss tried to scrap the top rate of tax.

Depends if you’re trying to win an election or avoiding being wiped out in the home counties

[sefton]

If they want to avoid being wiped out in the Home Counties they would be better looking at the 40% rate, that would make an immediate impact.

[Sandstorm]

If they want to avoid being wiped out in the Home Counties they would be better looking at the 40% rate, that would make an immediate impact.

Raise the minimum to 20k, then up the rate for the upper levels by 5% each

[Paddington Bear]

If they want to avoid being wiped out in the Home Counties they would be better looking at the 40% rate, that would make an immediate impact.

I’m assuming you’re referring to high rate income tax, if so how would that sure up the pensioner vote? And to what level can they cut it in reality to actually make a proper difference to people’s take home pay?

[Biffer]

If they want to avoid being wiped out in the Home Counties they would be better looking at the 40% rate, that would make an immediate impact.

Raise the minimum to 20k, then up the rate for the upper levels by 5% each

No, the first part would benefit the lower paid as well, so they’re not interested in that.

[Hal Jordan]

Or they could can the Residence Nil Rate Band and just raise the "ordinary" NRB to £500,000 (RNRB £175,000 + NRB £325,000) which would simplify things and allow everyone to pass on half a million on whether or not they had a house or kids. It would also help speed up Probate if you had a non-taxable estate as you wouldn't have to apply to HMRC to claim the RNRB, which adds 20 working days(i.e. a calendar month) to the four month application time for a Grant of Representation.

That wouldn't change the status quo for the 2.4 children mob, and only really affect unmarried couples doing IHT planning on the first death and increase the pot for distant relatives unexpectedly inheriting from hitherto unknown maiden aunts or confirmed bachelor uncles.

[Ymx]

Unbelievable. Two councillors have decided to threaten everyone who doesn’t sign a statement to the PM, demanding a ceasefire, by publishing their names as not signing it.

[C69]

Unbelievable. Two councillors have decided to threaten everyone who doesn’t sign a statement to the PM, demanding a ceasefire, by publishing their names as not signing it.

So fucking what?
FFS stop being offended on other people behalf you woke twat.

[Ymx]

So what??!

Some twat is demanding all other councillors sign what he wants them to, else he will out them.

Knowing quite well what the implications are on security right now with the aggressive Hamas fans.

[Ymx]

Absolute braindead idiot C69

[Simian]

So what??!

Some twat is demanding all other councillors sign what he wants them to, else he will out them.

Knowing quite well what the implications are on security right now with the aggressive Hamas fans.

For MPs, there's a BBC app so you can see how your MP voted on the ceasefire motion

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67438901