So, coronavirus...

[Bimbowomxn]

Maybe, I fairly sure if we’d given the care sector what would have seemed unlimited funds in March we would have saved 25,000 deaths and 300 billion quid.

Doubtful. We didn’t know how to treat elderly patients with Covid in March.

I’m talking about spending the money shielding the elderly not treating them. Other countries managed.

Even changing that part way through was beyond their dull brains.

[fishfoodie]

Boris Johnson: "There is nothing more frustrating for the vast majority, the law-abiding majority that do comply. Then the sight of a few brazenly defying the rules."

but at the same time we love freedom too much to follow the rules...

The lying cunt managed to write a biography of Churchill, & supposedly holds him as a hero; & yet managed to completely miss the numerous, onerous restrictions that his hero placed on people freedoms during WW II.

[eldanielfire]

The problem with initial testing wasn’t that PHE was sidelined it was they resisted at PHE all private sector help .... that lasted months .

PHE totally at fault .

PHE is trash, but The Government has been hugely flawed in this awarding contracts to clueless friends rather than those in the business. It's no coincidence that posters here pointed out the most COVID infected area of Australia got that way through a private contracts where other states used the public sector and didn't.

And yet private providers did fine in Germany and Switzerland.

I' m talking about the outsourcing of Coronavirus related jobs to new private providers/bidders, not long stablished health care providers.

Likewise the German system isn't exactly a private provider of healthcare, it's a hybrid system. It is funded by state and private insurance and those are enforced by law. essentially making it a tax. And the private contributions only come in when you earn over 62k Euros and most people use the public health care plan. Simply saying the private sector is doing fine in Germany is a complete misrepresentation of German healthcare systems.

[eldanielfire]

Reports in the Australian media today that the UK is entering a 2nd wave. Stay safe boets

Interestingly, these reports are in the same media that has been demanding that Australian states ease restrictions for months. So I guess governments are damned either way?

That's the issue. At one end we have moronic anti-maskers who oppose any intervention regardless of death rates from pure denial, then we have the extremist "we should have never left lockdown ever" types. Sadly extremist opinion always gets over represented in media. Most people are sympathetic to their governments making difficult decisions in a first time event in our lifetimes.

[eldanielfire]

I don't disagree.

Unfortunately we panicked people so much (rightly so) that they are fixated on numbers and aren't really factoring in the increased ability to catch cases so we get headlines like 'most cases since April!!!!!!!' without much explanation that it's not comparable.

We are not really being helped by the media.

I've known quite a few journalists and most of them are pretty clueless when it comes to numbers, unfortunately.

Also true of politicians. Last time I checked there were 5 out of 650 MPs at Westminster who had a STEM degree.

Just checked and it’s changed a fair amount, it’s twenty something now. But that’s still shockingly low.

Agreed. Just shows how many useless pricks there are in politics.

[eldanielfire]

A 20k fine and some jailtime would not be excessive

A 1k fine would be right. 20k for any establishment that allows rule breaking maybe.

[eldanielfire]

A 20k fine and some jailtime would not be excessive

I did think something similar but thought maybe I was being a bit mean.


I dont understand what is going on overall. Its like some people have forgotten the last 7 months and couldnt care less about the consequnces.
Looking at the younger generation here.

Wash hands, wear a mask, social distance. If you do that it, shouldnt spread .


Came across a Twitch stream of Swedish girls in Italy just totally not giving a monkeys

Yeah yeah, lol Swedish girls on Twitch

It was a random thing

LInk? I assume Rule 1 is still a law on this forum.

[eldanielfire]

Well shit - wanna poor more fear onto me?

A new study of more than one million people suggests those with a certain blood type are less at risk of contracting Covid-19 than others.

The study of 1.05 million participants over four months, published on medrxiv.org, has found people with O-type blood may be less susceptible to contracting coronavirus.

The results have not been peer reviewed.

The study is based on research results from personal genomics and biotechnology company 23andMe, which conducted the work this year. So probably means I am safe. Phew

It found people with O-type blood appear to be at a lower risk of being infected and also are less likely to have a severe case of the disease.

I'm O positive. I'm kinda hoping this is true

[TB63]

Fuck you...

AB Rh negative. ..

[eldanielfire]

(Btw masks are a placebo ).

So you think people wearing a mask will not spread infection only because they believe it? FFS!

[eldanielfire]

[Bimbowomxn]

(Btw masks are a placebo ).

So you think people wearing a mask will not spread infection only because they believe it? FFS!

Erm, the meaning of placebo was cleared up a while ago. Try and keep up.

[eldanielfire]

Cathy Newman on C4 news really can be shite. Desperately trying to get 3 experts to disagree with each other but all 3 started almost every reply with “we are all agreed on this” but still she thrashed.

She pretty much wreaked her reputation with Jordan Peterson. But she is always desperate for conflict. I suspect because she doesn't read deeply into many topics, she can't facilitate a deeper informative discussion when there is nothing to argue about.

[eldanielfire]

(Btw masks are a placebo ).

So you think people wearing a mask will not spread infection only because they believe it? FFS!

Erm, the meaning of placebo was cleared up a while ago. Try and keep up.

[sturginho]

(Btw masks are a placebo ).

So you think people wearing a mask will not spread infection only because they believe it? FFS!

Erm, the meaning of placebo was cleared up a while ago. Try and keep up.

A friend in need is a friend indeed

[Bimbowomxn]

Thread.

[eldanielfire]

Uptick in cases in Sweden. Now doing various local measures to control it:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... ion-signs/

[Insane_Homer]

[Bimbowomxn]

[SaintK]

Thread.

Yasy..................you win again

[Bimbowomxn]

Thread.

Yasy..................you win again

An odd response to an alternate view.

Unless you think we will have a successful vaccine fairly soon another approach to “lockdowns” is going to have to be taken.

[Insane_Homer]

[Niegs]

Some analysis from Canada:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/public-h ... -1.5733069

[SaintK]

Thread.

Yay..................you win again

An odd response to an alternate view.

Unless you think we will have a successful vaccine fairly soon another approach to “lockdowns” is going to have to be taken.

You prefaced your post with "Thread"
So was working on the basis that you thought the thread was done and dusted and your argument had won
No vaccine until next Spring at a guess and another lockdown at some stage this year also at a guess

[Un Pilier]

Pretty reasonable guesses, I’d say SaintK.

I don’t think the lockdown will be quite as severe as the original one, but the new measures announced so far are unlikely to be enough.

[yermum]

A Colleague of mine that works with a pro cycling team told me that they had less illness and stomach issues than any other three week tours.

Usually by the third week half the riders and the support staff have the shits or are coming down with illness.

She put it down to mask usage, infection control and social distancing. Obviously placebo is a powerful thing.

[Un Pilier]

A Colleague of mine that works with a pro cycling team told me that they had less illness and stomach issues than any other three week tours.

Usually by the third week half the riders and the support staff have the shits or are coming down with illness.

She put it down to mask usage, infection control and social distancing. Obviously placebo is a powerful thing.

That all makes sense really, though I did worry about some of the mask-free idiots shouting into riders’ faces on some of the climbs. I suppose I needn’t have worried since all the riders will have been briefed about placebos and stuff.

I was wondering earlier today whether there is any information yet on the tour’s impact or lack of on Covid in the general population. Anyone seen any data?

[Bimbowomxn]

A Colleague of mine that works with a pro cycling team told me that they had less illness and stomach issues than any other three week tours.

Usually by the third week half the riders and the support staff have the shits or are coming down with illness.

She put it down to mask usage, infection control and social distancing. Obviously placebo is a powerful thing.

Masks stop digestion illness now as well ?

[yermum]

Norovirus can be spread through coughing or sneezing.

[Saint]

Even if masks were shown to do nothing other than provide a permanent reminder to do the social distancing thing they're worthwhile. The only real risk is if they provide a false sense of security - but fortunately the data shows that if both parties are wearing a mask then there's a significant reduction in transmission

[Bimbowomxn]

Norovirus can be spread through coughing or sneezing.

That’ll be it.

[Bimbowomxn]

Even if masks were shown to do nothing other than provide a permanent reminder to do the social distancing thing they're worthwhile. The only real risk is if they provide a false sense of security - but fortunately the data shows that if both parties are wearing a mask then there's a significant reduction in transmission

The data shows nothing of the sort in practical terms. Plenty of high and early mask use where high cases have appeared.

[Sandstorm]

So a friend sold some stuff on Gumtree. The guy who bought it said “I’ve got Covid, but do you mind if I pop over and collect it today?”

When she said no, he started to get abusive and threaten her. WTF.

[JM2K6]

You prefaced your post with "Thread"
So was working on the basis that you thought the thread was done and dusted and your argument had won
No vaccine until next Spring at a guess and another lockdown at some stage this year also at a guess

It means "I am posting a twitter link that's actually a thread worth reading, not just the single tweet".

Though I'm not sure it actually backs up his argument...

[fishfoodie]

So a friend sold some stuff on Gumtree. The guy who bought it said “I’ve got Covid, but do you mind if I pop over and collect it today?”

When she said no, he started to get abusive and threaten her. WTF.

Almost sounds like the start of a scam ?

You know:

"I've Covid, & don't want to infect you; so why don't you leave the stuff outside, & once I put it in the car, I'll come back & leave an envelope with the money in your letterbox ...."

[Sandstorm]

So a friend sold some stuff on Gumtree. The guy who bought it said “I’ve got Covid, but do you mind if I pop over and collect it today?”

When she said no, he started to get abusive and threaten her. WTF.

Almost sounds like the start of a scam ?

You know:

"I've Covid, & don't want to infect you; so why don't you leave the stuff outside, & once I put it in the car, I'll come back & leave an envelope with the money in your letterbox ...."

Maybe. This’ll get Bimboh frothing in his y-fronts, but she’s getting in contact with the Police to report this fool.

[Saint]

Even if masks were shown to do nothing other than provide a permanent reminder to do the social distancing thing they're worthwhile. The only real risk is if they provide a false sense of security - but fortunately the data shows that if both parties are wearing a mask then there's a significant reduction in transmission

The data shows nothing of the sort in practical terms. Plenty of high and early mask use where high cases have appeared.

Early mask usage has come in areas where there has been high cases. You’re mistaking the cause for the high correlation

[Bimbowomxn]

Even if masks were shown to do nothing other than provide a permanent reminder to do the social distancing thing they're worthwhile. The only real risk is if they provide a false sense of security - but fortunately the data shows that if both parties are wearing a mask then there's a significant reduction in transmission

The data shows nothing of the sort in practical terms. Plenty of high and early mask use where high cases have appeared.

Early mask usage has come in areas where there has been high cases. You’re mistaking the cause for the high correlation

I’m pointing out there’s plenty of places with early adoption and tight mask policies that are in worse places than more laissez faire approaches. If masks worked we wouldn’t see this.

[Saint]

The data shows nothing of the sort in practical terms. Plenty of high and early mask use where high cases have appeared.

Early mask usage has come in areas where there has been high cases. You’re mistaking the cause for the high correlation

I’m pointing out there’s plenty of places with early adoption and tight mask policies that are in worse places than more laissez faire approaches. If masks worked we wouldn’t see this.

There's far more to it than that. I'm fed up of people talking about this stuff as if there's a single cause/effect/cure. It's provable that wearing a mask, even a basic mask, reduces the propagation of viruses particles. Bug that doesn't make wearing a mask a method by itself to stop virus propagation.

Anyway, onto ignore for you.

[Guy Smiley]

The data shows nothing of the sort in practical terms. Plenty of high and early mask use where high cases have appeared.

Early mask usage has come in areas where there has been high cases. You’re mistaking the cause for the high correlation

I’m pointing out there’s plenty of places with early adoption and tight mask policies that are in worse places than more laissez faire approaches. If masks worked we wouldn’t see this.

Southeast Asia shits on your cornflakes Bimboh.