So, coronavirus...

[Insane_Homer]

better info below

[Margin__Walker]

Going to be a long winter for anybody with kids. Every time they cough, you'll be locked down until the test comes back negative.

I got a test on Wednesday for a cold that developed into a persistent cough (which happens every time I get a cold).

Thankfully the result came back in a day, but the Mrs wasn't impressed as we had to take my son out of school yesterday.

I know it’s dreadfully inconvenient... what else is one to do when faced with a beastly pandemic?

Nice

Not impressed at me in a strictly light hearted way for getting a test with with an abundance of caution for borderline symptoms.

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/nhs-cov ... ct-tracing

[Rinkals]

Fuck you...

AB Rh negative. ..

Me too.

[Bimbowomxn]

Anyone here using the "NHS" Covid Test and Trace app? I don't even have anything I could install it on...

Installed it this morning. You;ve got to have something fairly old for it not to run

3 years ...

Neither my wife’s nor my phone are new enough.

[Bimbowomxn]

People ;

“We hate this government and cannot trust them”

“Ooo an app , lets download that”

[Raggs]

Had it installed for ages now. Recently got a notification to say my area has moved from a low risk to a medium risk area.

Were you in the trial zone? Until this morning you needed a trial code to turn the app on

Yes, I was.

As for privacy. Coders I trust, and who were originally very upset with the Government app in terms of privacy, were actually quite happy with it once the released the source code for it and how it was used. It's a shame that apple wouldn't share their information to be honest, because a centralised app can be so much more usefully adapted than a decentralised one.

[Sandstorm]

Watching the BBC news and every moaning twat on there today - 2 x MPs crying about Job Security measures, a medical professional questioning lockdown and an IT Bod bitching about Track&Trace App - are all fucking Scots!!

Why don't they just piss off into Independence already?

[Slick]

Watching the BBC news and every moaning twat on there today - 2 x MPs crying about Job Security measures, a medical professional questioning lockdown and an IT Bod bitching about Track&Trace App - are all fucking Scots!!

Why don't they just piss off into Independence already?

You just need to learn how it works, all the identical measures taken up here are brilliant according to the same folk

[Biffer]

Wrt Vallance having shares in Astra Zeneca; he was CEO, of course he fucking did.

When he stood down in 2018, he had £6million quids worth. Since then he's sold ninety percent. That'll be a gradual cashing in probably agreed with the company, in order to prevent a significant one of sale impacting the share price (or the visuals of a CEO selling the lot as soon as he leaves causing a run).

GSK I think? He was President for 6 years

He was head of R&D at GSK.

I don’t think this is the gotcha moment that the Torygraph thinks it is. As Biffer has pointed out, this is simply the residue of his share options, and is only 10% of his previous holdings. It’s also worth noting that GSK is not involved with either of the main UK vaccine candidates at Oxford or Imperial. It’s only university partner appears to be the University of Queensland.

If he had substantial shareholding’s in AstraZeneca, there might have been more of a story, given its involvement with the Oxford vaccine candidate, but he doesn’t appear to have invested in AZ.

Yeah, GSK, sorry. I think the disbursement of his shares was probably a condition of taking the role he's currently in.

[JM2K6]

People ;

“We hate this government and cannot trust them”

“Ooo an app , lets download that”

It follows all the correct procedures in order to be trusted.

[Bimbowomxn]

People ;

“We hate this government and cannot trust them”

“Ooo an app , lets download that”

It follows all the correct procedures in order to be trusted.

I’m sure it does. I’m just constantly surprised by the dichotomy regarding the “Boris is a liar” ..... “let’s trust their covid response”

This is all politics now, not science.

[Sandstorm]

Watching the BBC news and every moaning twat on there today - 2 x MPs crying about Job Security measures, a medical professional questioning lockdown and an IT Bod bitching about Track&Trace App - are all fucking Scots!!

Why don't they just piss off into Independence already?

You just need to learn how it works, all the identical measures taken up here are brilliant according to the same folk

[Sandstorm]

This is all politics now, not science.

You said it

[Bimbowomxn]

This is all politics now, not science.

You said it

Indeed, however you’re incredibly adherent to the message etc. Don’t you see the issue?

[JM2K6]

People ;

“We hate this government and cannot trust them”

“Ooo an app , lets download that”

It follows all the correct procedures in order to be trusted.

I’m sure it does. I’m just constantly surprised by the dichotomy regarding the “Boris is a liar” ..... “let’s trust their covid response”

This is all politics now, not science.

Boris didn't develop this.

The app has been developed in a way that's orthogonal to how Boris and chums operate their government. International collaboration, openness, rigorous inpsection by all parties, public scrutiny...

[Uncle fester]

Going to be a long winter for anybody with kids. Every time they cough, you'll be locked down until the test comes back negative.

I got a test on Wednesday for a cold that developed into a persistent cough (which happens every time I get a cold).

Thankfully the result came back in a day, but the Mrs wasn't impressed as we had to take my son out of school yesterday.

I know it’s dreadfully inconvenient... what else is one to do when faced with a beastly pandemic?

Some of us have jobs to do.

[Insane_Homer]

So... £12,000,000,000 to get to this point of track and trace! Someone's done well out of this and it's not the taxpayer.

[Ali Cadoo]

The image of Boris trying to develop an app has just kept me chuckling for a good few minutes here, thanks.

[Bimbowomxn]

It follows all the correct procedures in order to be trusted.

I’m sure it does. I’m just constantly surprised by the dichotomy regarding the “Boris is a liar” ..... “let’s trust their covid response”

This is all politics now, not science.

Boris didn't develop this.

The app has been developed in a way that's orthogonal to how Boris and chums operate their government. International collaboration, openness, rigorous inpsection by all parties, public scrutiny...

Oh ok. This will be the first time that there isn’t over reach from governments or data collectors ever.

[JM2K6]

Happily, people can check the app's code for themselves to see what it can and can't allow. Assuming malicious use by the government and/or third parties was an essential first step in seeing whether the app was actually worth using or not.

[Bimbowomxn]

Happily, people can check the app's code for themselves to see what it can and can't allow. Assuming malicious use by the government and/or third parties was an essential first step in seeing whether the app was actually worth using or not.

Well that’s a relief.


I love that my VW polo get 95 miles to the gallon as well.

[Sandstorm]

This is all politics now, not science.

You said it

Indeed, however you’re incredibly adherent to the message etc. Don’t you see the issue?

And your default setting is "contradiction"

Fun, innit?

[Slick]

You said it

Indeed, however you’re incredibly adherent to the message etc. Don’t you see the issue?

And your default setting is "contradiction"

Fun, innit?

Was just going to post similar, it's incredible.

[Bimbowomxn]

You said it

Indeed, however you’re incredibly adherent to the message etc. Don’t you see the issue?

And your default setting is "contradiction"

Fun, innit?

Sometimes it’s funny. The economic collapse that’s coming won’t be,

Btw, disagreement with you isn’t “contradiction “ it’s just a different view, same for the jock above.

[Sandstorm]

Oh ok. This will be the first time that there isn’t over reach from governments or data collectors ever.

So don't download the App or wear a mask. Just STFU if others think it's a good idea and want to do it for the sake of their fellow man.

Selfish, preachy cunt

[JM2K6]

Happily, people can check the app's code for themselves to see what it can and can't allow. Assuming malicious use by the government and/or third parties was an essential first step in seeing whether the app was actually worth using or not.

Well that’s a relief.

I love that my VW polo get 95 miles to the gallon as well.

I don't think you quite understand this. Never mind.

[Sandstorm]

Sometimes it’s funny. The economic collapse that’s coming won’t be,

Yes, we all know it's coming. We don't need you to tell us typing one-handed.

[Bimbowomxn]

Oh ok. This will be the first time that there isn’t over reach from governments or data collectors ever.

So don't download the App or wear a mask. Just STFU if others think it's a good idea and want to do it for the sake of their fellow man.

Selfish, preachy cunt

I’m a good mask wearer because I don’t want to scare the fragile. I can’t down load the App sadly.

You keep cheering on the erosion of liberties while somehow hating on those doing it.

[Sandstorm]

Fuck it. Back onto my very short Foe list you go.

[Bimbowomxn]

Happily, people can check the app's code for themselves to see what it can and can't allow. Assuming malicious use by the government and/or third parties was an essential first step in seeing whether the app was actually worth using or not.

Well that’s a relief.

I love that my VW polo get 95 miles to the gallon as well.

I don't think you quite understand this. Never mind.

I understand enough to know that this level of tech cannot be trusted and that Data is very very valuable. I’m far to much of a cynic to believe in wasted opportunities.

[Bimbowomxn]

Fuck it. Back onto my very short Foe list you go.

Of course I made a sensible argument regarding the conflicting positions people are happy with. There’s no way you’d bother rebutting it.


I made my points perfectly politely btw.

[JM2K6]

The point is: They're not conflicting positions. If anything, it proves the opposite of your claim that "it's all political". This is an app being promoted by the Tory govt and people are willing to trust it precisely because it's open source, used with international collaboration, and does not try and harvest any details it does not need in order to operate. There's no shroud of secrecy, no bullshit, and no partisan political nonsense involved.

TORY GOVERNMENT BAD GRRR would see people rejecting it out of hand.

[Bimbowomxn]

The point is: They're not conflicting positions. If anything, it proves the opposite of your claim that "it's all political". This is an app being promoted by the Tory govt and people are willing to trust it precisely because it's open source, used with international collaboration, and does not try and harvest any details it does not need in order to operate. There's no shroud of secrecy, no bullshit, and no partisan political nonsense involved.

TORY GOVERNMENT BAD GRRR would see people rejecting it out of hand.

Good stuff regarding the App. That wasn’t my point . Sorry for the confusion.

I’m fairly sure the data will be misused. I don’t believe anything big tech says. I also believe when companies like Facebook hire high profile politicians like Nick Clegg the game is properly rigged.

[JM2K6]

The point is: They're not conflicting positions. If anything, it proves the opposite of your claim that "it's all political". This is an app being promoted by the Tory govt and people are willing to trust it precisely because it's open source, used with international collaboration, and does not try and harvest any details it does not need in order to operate. There's no shroud of secrecy, no bullshit, and no partisan political nonsense involved.

TORY GOVERNMENT BAD GRRR would see people rejecting it out of hand.

Good stuff regarding the App. That wasn’t my point . Sorry for the confusion.

I’m fairly sure the data will be misused. I don’t believe anything big tech says. I also believe when companies like Facebook hire high profile politicians like Nick Clegg the game is properly rigged.

I am also sure that whoever gets the data will misuse it, which is why it's important that the data collection be as minimal as possible. That was what I meant earlier by "assuming malicious use by the government and/or third parties was an essential first step in seeing whether the app was actually worth using or not". Being cynical about these things is the correct course. However, the app does need to exist.

[Bimbowomxn]

Understood.

As we know I’m less worried about the virus so am sceptical regarding existence.

I am also concerned where this ends up.

3 week emergency powers here were to protect the NHS , we are now in week 25 with warning of another 26 weeks of restrictions. The government have massively over reached already.

[Uncle fester]

So... £12,000,000,000 to get to this point of track and trace! Someone's done well out of this and it's not the taxpayer.

Did you mean to type twelve billion pounds there?

[CM11]

Is it the same as the Irish app? There's basically no data collection.

[Bimbowomxn]

So... £12,000,000,000 to get to this point of track and trace! Someone's done well out of this and it's not the taxpayer.

Did you mean to type twelve billion pounds there?

Yep, apparently Hancock spaffed 10 billion on the Isle of White tested app that failed.

[JM2K6]

HOW