All Blacks want Springboks

[Gumboot]

Bit hard blaming people who are long gone. I'll reserve my blame for those who's still stinking up the place with their fossil fuel farts.

That would've been my suggestion as well.

See, we may be decades apart in age but we can still share the same ideals.

[average joe]

Bit hard blaming people who are long gone. I'll reserve my blame for those who's still stinking up the place with their fossil fuel farts.

That would've been my suggestion as well.

See, we may be decades apart in age but we can still share the same ideals.

I was actually referring to my parents. I can't blame them if they're no longer here. I'm an 80's baby so not exactly a millennial. Don't know how old you are but Dan54 seems to be a dinosaur.

[assfly]

Do you two know each other?

[Gumboot]

I was actually referring to my parents. I can't blame them if they're no longer here.

You can't blame Hitler for WWII because he's no longer here?.

Who are you going to blame when you're elderly? The younger generation!

[average joe]

I was actually referring to my parents. I can't blame them if they're no longer here.

You can't blame Hitler for WWII because he's no longer here?.

Who are you going to blame when you're elderly? The younger generation!

You also blame dead people for crap that ended long before you were born?

[OomStruisbaai]

Bit hard blaming people who are long gone. I'll reserve my blame for those who's still stinking up the place with their fossil fuel farts.

That would've been my suggestion as well.

See, we may be decades apart in age but we can still share the same ideals.

I was actually referring to my parents. I can't blame them if they're no longer here. I'm an 80's baby so not exactly a millennial. Don't know how old you are but Dan54 seems to be a dinosaur.

Vok AJ, Dan54 is one of the most respected All Blacks supporters I know.

[PornDog]

I kind of feel like I just discovered that our new girlfriend is still texting her ex!

[Dan54]

Getting up at 4am for those 1981 tests as a kid was just amazing. My dad was a Round Tabler and all his mates would arrive to watch. I can remember them drinking Red Heart rum and coffee while watching. The All Black-Springbok rivalry is the ultimate for me.

Me too, and long may it be so!

[Dan54]

You seriously don't follow Kiwi rugby do you.

Well I have since 50s, and that's what I talking about. Noone in NZ considered Wallabies as any kind of rival up until 90s, and that's what I meant about rivallry and historical . As I said, the Bledisloe wasn't even spoken about during 60s and 70s, and was actually buried somewhere in NZRU offices and had to be found when Aussies won it. I not arguing they considered rivals now, many NZ fans have only been around since the game went professional, which is ok. You do understand the difference between rivallry and historical rivallry don't you. Really going back over years the whole country just went ape shit when it was Springboks and Wales as they were 2 countries that every AB would speak of as hardest place to play, and were games that had us glued to radios etc. Not playing down other countries and the fact they all get to raise in our thoughts at times, I would suggest at moment most would put France right up there, as well as Ireland etc. But there a difference between that and people having games etc that are stilled stewed over up years later, Deans non try in Wales, 56 Bok series etc, as well as 2 countries that have a passion for game that we do
. Wallabie biggest thing is they beat us at turn of century, and with travel etc many kiwis live there and visit easily, but the general Aussie doesn't really have a passion for game so in the end it not deep in their hearts like NZ,SA and Wales.

You do understand that history keeps going right and that your generation is on the way out? The 90' was 30 odd years ago. People who were born back then are in their thirties now. For them history only started in the 90'

I understand that average, but I was saying historically Boks (and Wales) are our tradional rivals, Jethro suggested I haven't been wating rugby very long to think that. I have no problems if some prefer Wallabies as their rivals, but historically the Boks are our greatest rivals.
I know you call me a Dinasaur, and probably right, but even when for some the Boks struggled for a few years and seemed to drift off pace etc, they now realise (or should) why Dinosaurs like me have so much time for them. I will add in my life regardless what I have seen on forums etc, I have yet to meet a Saffa (or Welshmen really) that I am unable to sit down with and genuinely enjoy talking about the game of rugby!

I will gave an example; in eraly 90s I was in Auckland, there was a table of Saffas at a tble nest to me in a pub, we were having a chat, Springboks had just got the green light to return to test rugby, and they said although Boks had a test booked in against (I think Wallabies) and none against ABs, they were adamant that SARU and NZRU would arrange a test before that, because SA would accept playing no other country on coming back into the fold! And he was right a month later it was announced ABs were off to SA! That is rivallary and respect!!

[average joe]

Well I have since 50s, and that's what I talking about. Noone in NZ considered Wallabies as any kind of rival up until 90s, and that's what I meant about rivallry and historical . As I said, the Bledisloe wasn't even spoken about during 60s and 70s, and was actually buried somewhere in NZRU offices and had to be found when Aussies won it. I not arguing they considered rivals now, many NZ fans have only been around since the game went professional, which is ok. You do understand the difference between rivallry and historical rivallry don't you. Really going back over years the whole country just went ape shit when it was Springboks and Wales as they were 2 countries that every AB would speak of as hardest place to play, and were games that had us glued to radios etc. Not playing down other countries and the fact they all get to raise in our thoughts at times, I would suggest at moment most would put France right up there, as well as Ireland etc. But there a difference between that and people having games etc that are stilled stewed over up years later, Deans non try in Wales, 56 Bok series etc, as well as 2 countries that have a passion for game that we do
. Wallabie biggest thing is they beat us at turn of century, and with travel etc many kiwis live there and visit easily, but the general Aussie doesn't really have a passion for game so in the end it not deep in their hearts like NZ,SA and Wales.

You do understand that history keeps going right and that your generation is on the way out? The 90' was 30 odd years ago. People who were born back then are in their thirties now. For them history only started in the 90'

I understand that average, but I was saying historically Boks (and Wales) are our tradional rivals, Jethro suggested I haven't been wating rugby very long to think that. I have no problems if some prefer Wallabies as their rivals, but historically the Boks are our greatest rivals.
I know you call me a Dinasaur, and probably right, but even when for some the Boks struggled for a few years and seemed to drift off pace etc, they now realise (or should) why Dinosaurs like me have so much time for them. I will add in my life regardless what I have seen on forums etc, I have yet to meet a Saffa (or Welshmen really) that I am unable to sit down with and genuinely enjoy talking about the game of rugby!

I will gave an example; in eraly 90s I was in Auckland, there was a table of Saffas at a tble nest to me in a pub, we were having a chat, Springboks had just got the green light to return to test rugby, and they said although Boks had a test booked in against (I think Wallabies) and none against ABs, they were adamant that SARU and NZRU would arrange a test before that, because SA would accept playing no other country on coming back into the fold! And he was right a month later it was announced ABs were off to SA! That is rivallary and respect!!

You guys are a more likable lot than the okkers but you can have more than one rival, just like you can have more than one friend. I'm certain it would mean a lot for Ozzy rugby fans if they can win it again after 22 years. The Springbok AB rivalry is just on a whole other level. Kids in SA dream of one day becoming Springboks and facing the mighty All Blacks. The first international rugby I saw was the 95' WC. I was 14 and watched the final on a big screen projector. I was awe struck when I saw the haka for the first time, it gave me goose bumps.

[OomStruisbaai]

just like you can have more than one friend.

very true. Us playing in the URC have change my opinion of the Irish, Scot, Wales and Italians. The NH teams have that old time rugby culture that we miss in the SH. Small things like big crowds, silence when the place kickers line up, ext.

I love the Irish.

[Guy Smiley]

just like you can have more than one friend.

very true. Us playing in the URC have change my opinion of the Irish, Scot, Wales and Italians. The NH teams have that old time rugby culture that we miss in the SH. Small things like big crowds, silence when the place kickers line up, ext.

I love the Irish.

You seek friendship like currency. Something to trade, to exchange and later discard.

[Dan54]

You guys are a more likable lot than the okkers but you can have more than one rival, just like you can have more than one friend. I'm certain it would mean a lot for Ozzy rugby fans if they can win it again after 22 years. The Springbok AB rivalry is just on a whole other level. Kids in SA dream of one day becoming Springboks and facing the mighty All Blacks. The first international rugby I saw was the 95' WC. I was 14 and watched the final on a big screen projector. I was awe struck when I saw the haka for the first time, it gave me goose bumps.

Yep mate, I not knocking Wallabies, just talking about 'historical' rivals. It's a whole different conversation!

Talking of history I was gobsmacked about 15-18 years back, got a call from Grandson (a college student) asking me all these questions about the 81 Bok tour of NZ, quite a few interesting questions about going to games ,what happened , my experience. When he was finsihed I asked him what he was writing, the bugger said it a history project!!!! F***en history? I was there it was just yesterday I said!

[Gumboot]

I also vividly remember the '81 tour Dan, but probably for quite different reasons.

It is a shameful stain on our nation's history.

Found this in a box of old belongings the other day...

[Guy Smiley]

I also vividly remember the '81 tour Dan, but probably for quite different reasons.

It is a shameful stain on our nation's history.

Found this in a box of old belongings the other day...

Amen



I remember clearly watching his release, covered live on TV.

Shameful stain is right. Special police squads going to town on peaceful protesters.

[Gumboot]

Shameful stain is right. Special police squads going to town on peaceful protesters.

Yep, wielding their Minto bars and steel-capped boots. My mates and I (along with dozens of others) took a right hammering on the day of the Wellington test. That was bad enough, but later having to march back down Adelaide Road to the Basin Reserve through hordes of pissed off, feral ABs supporters hurling abuse and spitting, and the glass jugs thrown at us from the pub on the corner of the Basin... pretty damn nerve-racking tbf.

[OomStruisbaai]

You guys are a more likable lot than the okkers but you can have more than one rival, just like you can have more than one friend. I'm certain it would mean a lot for Ozzy rugby fans if they can win it again after 22 years. The Springbok AB rivalry is just on a whole other level. Kids in SA dream of one day becoming Springboks and facing the mighty All Blacks. The first international rugby I saw was the 95' WC. I was 14 and watched the final on a big screen projector. I was awe struck when I saw the haka for the first time, it gave me goose bumps.

Yep mate, I not knocking Wallabies, just talking about 'historical' rivals. It's a whole different conversation!

Talking of history I was gobsmacked about 15-18 years back, got a call from Grandson (a college student) asking me all these questions about the 81 Bok tour of NZ, quite a few interesting questions about going to games ,what happened , my experience. When he was finsihed I asked him what he was writing, the bugger said it a history project!!!! F***en history? I was there it was just yesterday I said!

1981 I was fresh out of the Army and do article in Springbok.
That tour was pretty special, best tour ever. The conditions that Springbok players went through to play rugby was unbelievable. . We were all part of what they call the lost generation. BUT if you look at the current conditions we live currently, we truly are lost. Our opening day of the WC , only have power from 12h00 to 16h00. We are use to being vokken lost.

Anyway let the rugby start and feel free and exciting! We living lekker in South Africa!

[OomStruisbaai]

Shameful stain is right. Special police squads going to town on peaceful protesters.

Yep, wielding their Minto bars and steel-capped boots. My mates and I (along with dozens of others) took a right hammering on the day of the Wellington test. That was bad enough, but later having to march back down Adelaide Road to the Basin Reserve through hordes of pissed off, feral ABs supporters hurling abuse and spitting, and the glass jugs thrown at us from the pub on the corner of the Basin... pretty damn nerve-racking tbf.

Oh vok Takhaar betogers. . I was speaking Namakwalands this side.

You could have died, Brain O'Driscoll style.

[Gumboot]

Shameful stain is right. Special police squads going to town on peaceful protesters.

Yep, wielding their Minto bars and steel-capped boots. My mates and I (along with dozens of others) took a right hammering on the day of the Wellington test. That was bad enough, but later having to march back down Adelaide Road to the Basin Reserve through hordes of pissed off, feral ABs supporters hurling abuse and spitting, and the glass jugs thrown at us from the pub on the corner of the Basin... pretty damn nerve-racking tbf.

Oh vok Takhaar betogers. . I was speaking Namakwalands this side.

You could have died, Brain O'Driscoll style.

Not knowing Afrikaans, I'll have to assume that's deeply offensive.

[Sandstorm]

Yep, wielding their Minto bars and steel-capped boots. My mates and I (along with dozens of others) took a right hammering on the day of the Wellington test. That was bad enough, but later having to march back down Adelaide Road to the Basin Reserve through hordes of pissed off, feral ABs supporters hurling abuse and spitting, and the glass jugs thrown at us from the pub on the corner of the Basin... pretty damn nerve-racking tbf.

Oh vok Takhaar betogers. . I was speaking Namakwalands this side.

You could have died, Brain O'Driscoll style.

Not knowing Afrikaans, I'll have to assume that's deeply offensive.

The Irish part is the most offensive!

[Jethro]

I will say the Bled although being around since the 1930s isn'tpart of historical rivallry, think when Aussie's won it in 80s the NZRU struggled to find where it was even stored. Before that I doubt many rugby fans even knew it existed.

You seriously don't follow Kiwi rugby do you.

How is he wrong?

There were numerous occasions between the 1930s and 1980s when NZ and Australia didn't play each other for several years at a time. The Bled only became a regular annual event in the early '80s, iirc. But then, I'm not an expert on pre-1980s Bledisloe Cup history.

Always happy to learn something new, so please feel free to expand on your comment.

While the Kiwi/Saffa thing is and should remain a basic thing in world rugby, there has always been a Bledisloe thing going down, perhaps only second to Bok tests. Pre 80s we could go years between Bled matches because of International scheduling, still remember the Aussies touring NZ, playing a bunch of tests and midweek and non-test weeks Provincial sides.

Playing the Bled year in year out has completely devalued the concept for mine. Most times can't be arsed watching yet another AB v Wob test

[Dan54]

Shameful stain is right. Special police squads going to town on peaceful protesters.

Yep, wielding their Minto bars and steel-capped boots. My mates and I (along with dozens of others) took a right hammering on the day of the Wellington test. That was bad enough, but later having to march back down Adelaide Road to the Basin Reserve through hordes of pissed off, feral ABs supporters hurling abuse and spitting, and the glass jugs thrown at us from the pub on the corner of the Basin... pretty damn nerve-racking tbf.

I was at Wellington test, I must admit to not really seeing much of what went on with protestors, apart from a mate getting an injury to his leg when we walked through the protestors and one had something sharp he scraped against his leg. Didn't see it until we were going into park, he was ok though got a couple of stitches in it next day.
Weren't really great days were they, and plenty of shit seemd to happen from everywhere. Not sure how anyone can point finger's at either side of argument.

[Gumboot]

Shameful stain is right. Special police squads going to town on peaceful protesters.

Yep, wielding their Minto bars and steel-capped boots. My mates and I (along with dozens of others) took a right hammering on the day of the Wellington test. That was bad enough, but later having to march back down Adelaide Road to the Basin Reserve through hordes of pissed off, feral ABs supporters hurling abuse and spitting, and the glass jugs thrown at us from the pub on the corner of the Basin... pretty damn nerve-racking tbf.

I was at Wellington test, must admit to not really seeing much of what went on with protestors, apart from a mate getting an injury to his leg when we walked through the protestors and one had something sharp he scraped against his leg. Didn't see it until we were going into park, he was ok though got a couple of stitches in it next day.
Weren't really great days were they, and plenty of shit seemd to happen from everywhere. Not sure how anyone can point finger's at either side of argument.

Yeah, must admit I didn't see your mate get stabbed, either.

Not sure how anyone can pretend there's no blame to go round, though. Unless they want the subject buried forever. And that never works.

[Dan54]

No mate, I not even suggesting there wasn't balls ups on all sides, and never would. As mate said when he saw how his leg was, kind c'est la vie there are idiots in any crowd. We weren't anti protesters or anything as we figured they had their opinion and we were in a democracy that allowed them to do it.
And I wasn't dead set sure myself if tour was great idea.
My brother in law (major in the army) was actually in charge of putting up barb wire on grounds etc, it almost wrecked him, that had to be done in NZ, and I still never knew or asked his opinion of rights or wrongs.

Lol biggest trouble I had was a schoolboy team I coached (about 9yos I think, I suggested after training, I said well as MacDonalds have withdrawn their sposorship for rugby, none of you buggers better be hassling your parents for a Big mac when you get home. One kid quick as a flash says yep coach and DB breweries have withdrawn theirs too, so I guess it a dry time for you??

[Gumboot]

Well, you're a lot more magnanimous about that ugly chapter in our history than I am, Dan. But then, as I've said, we probably have quite different memories about it.

For a start, there was the not insignificant fact that we were at the time signatories to the Gleneagles Agreement.

First and foremost, I blame Piggy for cynically driving a wedge into our society for his own political advantage. Then, after winning the next election on the back of his successful divide and conquer strategy, spending the next few years doing his damnedest to bankrupt the country. The prick wasn't a leader's arsehole, and one of my few fond memories from '81 is his scowl when I closed an elevator door in his face just before he could get in.

And I blame the (then) NZRFU for ignoring the damage they were doing to our society and insisting that "sports and politics don't mix". Thank fuck that medieval concept died with that tour. And then they selfishly ignored public sentiment and tried to sent the ABs to SA in '85....while black and coloured people in SA were still being murdered by the apartheid regime. Again, Muldoon supported them, despite having signed the Gleneagles Agreement in 1977.

And I blame the NZ police for their brutality on Molesworth St and elevating the level of anger and violence. So fuck John Banks and Ross Meurant as well.

But of course, there was batshit crazy stuff from both sides of the barbed wire. No excuses for the Auckland flour bombing or some of the violent dickheads who decided to use peaceful protests as an excuse for a stoush with the cops.

/rant

[Guy Smiley]

Good rant.

[OomStruisbaai]

FW de Klerk got his yes vote thanks to that Springbok tour in 1981. The question is now, where did South Africa go from there?

Supporting Russia , still call each other comrade in parliament and use reverse apartheid in full force.

Time for the takhaar betogers to go back to their roots and boycott us.

[OomStruisbaai]

Stuff

New Zealand Rugby is moving closer to finalising an old-school solution to the new issues created by the loss of South Africa to European club competitions.

Responding to comments by SA Rugby president Mark Alexander earlier this month, NZ Rugby chief executive Mark Robinson confirmed to Stuff that the two nations were in discussions about bringing back All Blacks-Springboks tours.

“We've been open with all the SANZAAR parties that that's something that we're having a look at, and how we can consider that sort of format for the future,” said Robinson, hinting at the delicate nature of the discussions.

“So, it's early days but obviously with the reduction in time we have in playing against South Africa in Super [Rugby], I think there would be real interest in it.

“Clearly, there is interest in it from both unions, but it’s very early days around those conversations.”

While Robinson was reluctant to provide further details, Stuff understands that talks are in fact relatively well advanced, and could include games against the New Zealand Super Rugby sides when South Africa tour Aotearoa, and the South African franchises when the All Blacks head to South Africa.

“That's certainly part of the conversation at the moment, [for it] to be a more, you know, more traditional type of tour, but again there’s a lot of work to be done there,” Robinson said.

Robinson is currently in France for the Rugby World Cup, but he also has a packed schedule full of meetings at World Rugby and SANZAAR level in the next month, where the calendar for men’s and women’s rugby will be on the agenda.

[OomStruisbaai]

Tours closer.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby- ... 5XZU35HHA/