Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Biffer]

Bad Enoch now being accused of lying (surprise) about trade negotiations with Canada. She told the House of Commons they were ongoing. The Canadian government has said there are no such talks.

[SaintK]

Bad Enoch now being accused of lying (surprise) about trade negotiations with Canada. She told the House of Commons they were ongoing. The Canadian government has said there are no such talks.

Yep, she thinks she's so smart and good at politics.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/poli ... e-369068/

[dpedin]

Bad Enoch now being accused of lying (surprise) about trade negotiations with Canada. She told the House of Commons they were ongoing. The Canadian government has said there are no such talks.

Yep, she thinks she's so smart and good at politics.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/poli ... e-369068/

I had a boss like her 30 years ago, typical over promoted, egotistical bully who didnt know their arse from their elbow and for whom I constantly had to clear up the shit they created. The appear quickly and disappear just as quickly - Badenough will be out before or at the next election and will then join some right wing dodgy madshit 'Thinktank' and host a GBabies tv pogramme or similar. After that she will slowly disappear into the ether and appear on 'I'm a Celeb' in 5 years time. If fact the typical career of a Tory MP at the moment.

[tabascoboy]

Sunak apparently really phoning it in at PMQs and hasn't even tried his usual default resorts to ad hominem. Completely evaded answering Starmer's question to him whose account of the Staunton vs Badenoch issue he believed - the latter being mysteriously absent from the House today...

Keir Starmer, "Would Rishi Sunak repeat the allegation made by Kemi Badenoch that the former chair of the Post Office is lying when he is saying he was told to go slow in compensation for postmasters"

Rishi Sunak, "She asked Henry Staunton to stand down after concerns were raised"

KS, "On Monday Kemi Badenoch said that at no point was the Post Office told to delay compensation payments by an official or minister.. But a note released by the former Post Office chair this morning appears to contradict that.. Will you investigate this matter?"

RS, "She asked Henry Staunton to stand down after concerns were raised"

KS, "I do hope Rishi Sunak will investigate because where concerns have been raised they have been pushed to one side"

In amongst the hard hitting concerns of the PO and infected blood scandals and the Palestine crisis - we get Tory questions about a link road in Aylesbury and something about pylons...

[Hal Jordan]

I see our nuclear deterrent system is as effective as everything else under this Government, as a test fire of a Trident missile goes tits up for the second time in a row.

[SaintK]

I see our nuclear deterrent system is as effective as everything else under this Government, as a test fire of a Trident missile goes tits up for the second time in a row.

To be fair to the Royal Navy, Grant Shapps was on board at the time and we all know that everything he's involved with turns to rat shit or is a disaster.

[fishfoodie]

I see our nuclear deterrent system is as effective as everything else under this Government, as a test fire of a Trident missile goes tits up for the second time in a row.

To be fair to the Royal Navy, Grant Shapps was on board at the time and we all know that everything he's involved with turns to rat shit or is a disaster.

True.

If they were thinking straight they'd have told him he'd have a much better view from the downrange position, & then just crossed their fingers & prayed.

[tabascoboy]

Fury in the Commons, while Starmer avoids potential rebellion

Harry Farley
Political correspondent BBC

I am sitting in the gallery looking over the House of Commons where roughly two-thirds of MPs are absolutely furious with the Speaker.

The noise from the chamber is deafening with the SNP and the Conservatives livid at Sir Lindsay Hoyle. Labour MPs sit quietly in their seats.

That is because the Speaker will allow votes on the Labour amendment and the government one, as well, to the SNP motion. That is highly unusual to allow an opposition party – in this case Labour – to amend a motion from another opposition party.

“Disgrace,” shouted one SNP MP. “Bring back Bercow,” shouted a Tory MP, referring to the previous holder of the spaker's post, John Bercow. “You ought to be ashamed of yourself,” said another.

The reason they are so annoyed is it means Sir Keir Starmer can avoid a potentially damaging rebellion. He can now tell his MPs to back Labour’s wording. If Labour’s amendment was not selected, some Labour MPs would have been tempted to back the SNP’s wording calling for an “immediate ceasefire”.

[sturginho]

Pretty neat

Everyone is taking the piss out of that now

[Biffer]

Fury in the Commons, while Starmer avoids potential rebellion

Harry Farley
Political correspondent BBC

I am sitting in the gallery looking over the House of Commons where roughly two-thirds of MPs are absolutely furious with the Speaker.

The noise from the chamber is deafening with the SNP and the Conservatives livid at Sir Lindsay Hoyle. Labour MPs sit quietly in their seats.

That is because the Speaker will allow votes on the Labour amendment and the government one, as well, to the SNP motion. That is highly unusual to allow an opposition party – in this case Labour – to amend a motion from another opposition party.

“Disgrace,” shouted one SNP MP. “Bring back Bercow,” shouted a Tory MP, referring to the previous holder of the spaker's post, John Bercow. “You ought to be ashamed of yourself,” said another.

The reason they are so annoyed is it means Sir Keir Starmer can avoid a potentially damaging rebellion. He can now tell his MPs to back Labour’s wording. If Labour’s amendment was not selected, some Labour MPs would have been tempted to back the SNP’s wording calling for an “immediate ceasefire”.

Doing Starmer's dirty work for him. Hoyle has used his position to do something brazenly political, that is pretty disgraceful.

Lammy says it's because it's an election year

https://x.com/AyoCaesar/status/1760230937630040229?s=20

[tc27]

Fury in the Commons, while Starmer avoids potential rebellion

Harry Farley
Political correspondent BBC

I am sitting in the gallery looking over the House of Commons where roughly two-thirds of MPs are absolutely furious with the Speaker.

The noise from the chamber is deafening with the SNP and the Conservatives livid at Sir Lindsay Hoyle. Labour MPs sit quietly in their seats.

That is because the Speaker will allow votes on the Labour amendment and the government one, as well, to the SNP motion. That is highly unusual to allow an opposition party – in this case Labour – to amend a motion from another opposition party.

“Disgrace,” shouted one SNP MP. “Bring back Bercow,” shouted a Tory MP, referring to the previous holder of the spaker's post, John Bercow. “You ought to be ashamed of yourself,” said another.

The reason they are so annoyed is it means Sir Keir Starmer can avoid a potentially damaging rebellion. He can now tell his MPs to back Labour’s wording. If Labour’s amendment was not selected, some Labour MPs would have been tempted to back the SNP’s wording calling for an “immediate ceasefire”.

Doing Starmer's dirty work for him. Hoyle has used his position to do something brazenly political, that is pretty disgraceful.

Lammy says it's because it's an election year

https://x.com/AyoCaesar/status/1760230937630040229?s=20

Come off it...the SNP are desperate to find something to attack Labour with and are using Gaza to that end. The wording of their motion is clearly designed to cause mischief.

Everyone gets a vote on their choice of words and dead civilians in Gaza won't be used as a political football ahead of the GE anymore.

However if you are a stickler for the standing orders I can see why you may be upset.

Unless you really are

[Tichtheid]

Doing Starmer's dirty work for him. Hoyle has used his position to do something brazenly political, that is pretty disgraceful.

Lammy says it's because it's an election year

https://x.com/AyoCaesar/status/1760230937630040229?s=20

Come off it...the SNP are desperate to find something to attack Labour with and are using Gaza to that end. The wording of their motion is clearly designed to cause mischief.

Everyone gets a vote on their choice of words and dead civilians in Gaza won't be used as a political football ahead of the GE anymore.

However if you are a stickler for the standing orders I can see why you may be upset.

Unless you really are

A couple of things on this, what in particular in the wording of the motion is designed to cause mischief?

The second thing that springs to mind is that Scottish Labour (from an article in today's Graun) "unequivocally backed calls for an immediate ceasefire at their conference in Glasgow last weekend," - I'm not sure how the SNP can attack Labour in the constituencies they will be standing in if they both have the same policy on this.

[SaintK]

Doing Starmer's dirty work for him. Hoyle has used his position to do something brazenly political, that is pretty disgraceful.

Lammy says it's because it's an election year

https://x.com/AyoCaesar/status/1760230937630040229?s=20

Come off it...the SNP are desperate to find something to attack Labour with and are using Gaza to that end. The wording of their motion is clearly designed to cause mischief.

Everyone gets a vote on their choice of words and dead civilians in Gaza won't be used as a political football ahead of the GE anymore.

However if you are a stickler for the standing orders I can see why you may be upset.

Unless you really are

Quite!
Hoyle ain't no Bercow that's for sure.

[sockwithaticket]

Whatever, about the politicking, but I'm getting a little sick of the holier than thou attitude of some of those outside of our elected representatives persistently pushing for ceasefire.

From the tweeter (journo Ash Sarkar):

Glad to know he's got his priorities in the right order. Poll numbers above Palestinian lives!

Whether or not Labour brought their amendment makes precisely fuck all difference to Palestinian lives. Whether it's the SNP, Labour, Lib Dems or even Reform bringing a ceasefire demand to be voted on is completely immaterial as to whether the current government will shift its approach to Israel. And even if the government were to about face and demand a ceasefire of Israel, Israel will continue to ignore anyone but those supplying them with arms. I don't see the Tories prohibiting UK companies from selling in this economic climate.

[I like neeps]

Whatever, about the politicking, but I'm getting a little sick of the holier than thou attitude of some of those outside of our elected representatives persistently pushing for ceasefire.

From the tweeter (journo Ash Sarkar):

Glad to know he's got his priorities in the right order. Poll numbers above Palestinian lives!

Whether or not Labour brought their amendment makes precisely fuck all difference to Palestinian lives. Whether it's the SNP, Labour, Lib Dems or even Reform bringing a ceasefire demand to be voted on is completely immaterial as to whether the current government will shift its approach to Israel. And even if the government were to about face and demand a ceasefire of Israel, Israel will continue to ignore anyone but those supplying them with arms. I don't see the Tories prohibiting UK companies from selling in this economic climate.

I'm sure the arms manufacturers won't be too upset by cutting off one market considering all the countries globally building defence stockpiles.

[Slick]

“Disgrace,” shouted one SNP MP. “Bring back Bercow,” shouted a Tory MP, referring to the previous holder of the spaker's post, John Bercow. “You ought to be ashamed of yourself,” said another.

Is this an in joke I don't know about?

[SaintK]

Blimey!!!! The voice of reason

[Jockaline]

Blimey!!!! The voice of reason

The will of the house in the speakers option has as much validity as the will of the people when Sunak spouts it. The speaker has acted partially in favour of his own party and gone against normal conventions. That's an issue distinct from the Gaza issue, and brings parliament into disrepute. We need fixed rules rather than convention as conventions are be flouted routinely now.

[I like neeps]

I'm sure those who have been disappointed at the conservative party's constitutional shenanigans will be equally disappointed here.

[SaintK]

Blimey!!!! The voice of reason

The will of the house in the speakers option has as much validity as the will of the people when Sunak spouts it. The speaker has acted partially in favour of his own party and gone against normal conventions. That's an issue distinct from the Gaza issue, and brings parliament into disrepute. We need fixed rules rather than convention as conventions are be flouted routinely now.

Most of the House rules are arcane as to be not fit for purpose!

[SaintK]

Have just had a quick tune in to Parliament TV.
If this debate is so important to all the parties why are there only about 10 MP's on the government benches and a few dozen on the opposition benches?

[tabascoboy]

So many comments like this at the moment on Twitter

The House of Commons has now descended into utter chaos and the speaker is nowhere to be seen. Shambles.

SNP walked out? Government refuse to consider any notion of ceasefire? Seems like no-one knows what's going on

[petej]

Quite frankly this is a bollocks non-issue and a waste of MPs time the islamist powers will continue to fund terrorists (and football clubs). The Palestinians are just unfortunate pawns in a millenia old religious war caught between Israel and said gulf states.

[geordie_6]

Whatever, about the politicking, but I'm getting a little sick of the holier than thou attitude of some of those outside of our elected representatives persistently pushing for ceasefire.

From the tweeter (journo Ash Sarkar):

Glad to know he's got his priorities in the right order. Poll numbers above Palestinian lives!

Whether or not Labour brought their amendment makes precisely fuck all difference to Palestinian lives. Whether it's the SNP, Labour, Lib Dems or even Reform bringing a ceasefire demand to be voted on is completely immaterial as to whether the current government will shift its approach to Israel. And even if the government were to about face and demand a ceasefire of Israel, Israel will continue to ignore anyone but those supplying them with arms. I don't see the Tories prohibiting UK companies from selling in this economic climate.

An astonishing number of political commentators seem to think that once Israel hear the UK parliament has decided they don't like what they're doing, they're going to panic and stick the tanks in reverse...

[petej]

Whatever, about the politicking, but I'm getting a little sick of the holier than thou attitude of some of those outside of our elected representatives persistently pushing for ceasefire.

From the tweeter (journo Ash Sarkar):

Glad to know he's got his priorities in the right order. Poll numbers above Palestinian lives!

Whether or not Labour brought their amendment makes precisely fuck all difference to Palestinian lives. Whether it's the SNP, Labour, Lib Dems or even Reform bringing a ceasefire demand to be voted on is completely immaterial as to whether the current government will shift its approach to Israel. And even if the government were to about face and demand a ceasefire of Israel, Israel will continue to ignore anyone but those supplying them with arms. I don't see the Tories prohibiting UK companies from selling in this economic climate.

An astonishing number of political commentators seem to think that once Israel hear the UK parliament has decided they don't like what they're doing, they're going to panic and stick the tanks in reverse...

Political commentators are the equivalent football transfer gossip twats on talksport for people that don't like football.

[I like neeps]

The significance of this naked politicking from the SNP and now Conservative party is it shows the Labour leadership are willing to act against the constitution when it suits them.

Can't help in trying to avoid a trap Labour have created a bigger issue for themselves here.

Or not... Disregarding the constitution didn't do the Tories much harm in the end.

[tc27]

Are standing orders in Parliament a part of the constitution?

Anyway its descended into absolute farce and everyone involved should be ashamed.

[sockwithaticket]

Well, yes. The Tories have demonstrated acutely over the last several years that conventions are free to be ignored without consequence and other parties would be daft not to follow suit until such a time as conventions are turned into actual rules and consequences for breaching them established.

[tc27]

I don't quite follow that the precedent of not allowing ammendments from other parties to be voted on in opposition day votes is in any sense a part of the constitution or in any way unfair. However clearly Hoyle should have made this change before or after such a contentious vote affecting his former party.

However the cynicism of using Gaza just to try and embarrase Starmer from the SNP and Tories is far grubbier IMO.


Anyway the Labour ceasefire motion has passed (SNP abstained as it was never actually about Gaza) so presumably peace is immenent.

[Margin__Walker]

The situation in Gaza is clearly serious, but whilst this is the sort of thing that gets people in Westminster very hot under the collar, is a non issue for most in the country imo.

There are hundreds of domestic issues that matter more than this motion to the person in the street.

[Jockaline]

I don't quite follow that the precedent of not allowing ammendments from other parties to be voted on in opposition day votes is in any sense a part of the constitution. However clearly Hoyle should have made this change before or after such a contentious vote affecting his former party.

However the cynicism of using Gaza to try and embarras Starmer from the SNP and Tories is far grubbier IMO.


Anyway the Labour ceasefire motion has passed (SNP abstained as it was never actually about Gaza) so presumably peace is immenent.

The motions were completely different. SNP's motion was clear, the Labour one basically gave a pass to Israel to keep doing what its doing - murdering civilians on mass. The SNP vote should have gone ahead and been prioritised, instead we have a watered down statement form the UK that I doubt is in alignment with what most people want and passed in the most farcical manner. It was Labour with the help of the speaker, and the Tories that were politicking.

[petej]

I don't quite follow that the precedent of not allowing ammendments from other parties to be voted on in opposition day votes is in any sense a part of the constitution or in any way unfair. However clearly Hoyle should have made this change before or after such a contentious vote affecting his former party.

However the cynicism of using Gaza just to try and embarrase Starmer from the SNP and Tories is far grubbier IMO.


Anyway the Labour ceasefire motion has passed (SNP abstained as it was never actually about Gaza) so presumably peace is immenent.

I saw kylian mbappe had decided not to sign for real Madrid and is joining arsenal instead.

[Biffer]

I don't quite follow that the precedent of not allowing ammendments from other parties to be voted on in opposition day votes is in any sense a part of the constitution or in any way unfair. However clearly Hoyle should have made this change before or after such a contentious vote affecting his former party.

However the cynicism of using Gaza just to try and embarrase Starmer from the SNP and Tories is far grubbier IMO.


Anyway the Labour ceasefire motion has passed (SNP abstained as it was never actually about Gaza) so presumably peace is immenent.

An opposition day is when an opposition party puts forward a motion and it will be voted on. Hoyle’s decision meant that the SNP motion was not voted on. The SNP were perfectly willing to vote for the labour amendment so that a call for a ceasefire would be passed by the house, Stephen Flynn confirmed that on the BBC at 3 o’clock this afternoon. But setting the precedent that opposition day motion won’t be voted on is a very bad one to set for representation in the house outside of the majority party.

[Tichtheid]

I don't quite follow that the precedent of not allowing ammendments from other parties to be voted on in opposition day votes is in any sense a part of the constitution or in any way unfair. However clearly Hoyle should have made this change before or after such a contentious vote affecting his former party.

However the cynicism of using Gaza just to try and embarrase Starmer from the SNP and Tories is far grubbier IMO.


Anyway the Labour ceasefire motion has passed (SNP abstained as it was never actually about Gaza) so presumably peace is immenent.

You keep spouting this anti SNP stuff seemingly without knowing the background, it's like a tick, or Pavlov's Dog reaction.

I'm no supporter of the SNP but the way you portray them is just plain wrong - when did Yousaf first write to the leaders of the other parties asking them to support a ceasefire?

[Biffer]

Regardless of anything else, this afternoon is very likely to drive voters who think Westminster is a shitshow to vote SNP in Scotland. That type of voter is likely someone who voted snp the last time but was thinking they’d vote Labour this time.

[tc27]

Im open about not liking the SNP but thank-you at least for not adding your usual slander about me being anti Scottish.

I conceed Yousaf/Flynn really do want a ceasefire but also want to use a vote on it to try and damage Labour more.

I suspect the SNPs antics will go down well with the segment of voters who got mad about the Redcoat cafe and think Churchill sent tanks to crush Scottish workers in Glasgow.

[Tichtheid]

Im open about not liking the SNP but thank-you at least for not adding your usual slander about me being anti Scottish.

I conceed Yousaf/Flynn really do want a ceasefire but also want to use a vote on it to try and damage Labour more.

I suspect the SNPs antics will go down well with the segment of voters who got mad about the Redcoat cafe and think Churchill sent tanks to crush Scottish workers in Glasgow.

I'll repeat the question, when did Yousaf write to the leaders of other parties asking them to support a ceasefire?

This is who he wrote to

Rishi Sunak, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

Mark Drakeford, First Minister of Wales

Michelle O’Neill First Minister (Designate) of Northern Ireland

Sir Keir Stamer, Leader of the Labour Party

Sir Ed Davey, Leader of the Liberal Democrats

Rhun ap Lorwerth, Leader of Plaid Cymru

Carla Denyer and Adrian Ramsey, Co-Leaders the Green Party of England and Wales

Douglas Ross, Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party

Anas Sarwar, Leader of the Scottish Labour Party

Patrick Harvie and Lorna Slater, Co-Leaders of the Scottish Green Party

Alex Cole Hamilton, Leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats

Clare Adamson, Convenor of the Scottish Parliament Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Alicia Kearns, Chair of the UK Parliament Foreign Affairs Select Committee

[petej]

The situation in Gaza is clearly serious, but whilst this is the sort of thing that gets people in Westminster very hot under the collar, is a non issue for most in the country imo.

There are hundreds of domestic issues that matter more than this motion to the person in the street.

It is a waste of an opposition day considering the many domestic issues. Perhaps they should focus on those instead.

[Biffer]

The situation in Gaza is clearly serious, but whilst this is the sort of thing that gets people in Westminster very hot under the collar, is a non issue for most in the country imo.

There are hundreds of domestic issues that matter more than this motion to the person in the street.

It is a waste of an opposition day considering the many domestic issues. Perhaps they should focus on those instead.

Oh, you’re a little party, here’s a biscuit now run along and look at the little things and leave the big issues to the two of us.

[Tichtheid]

Yougov polling on attitudes in UK on Gaza

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/ ... 024-update