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JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:26 pmThat makes sense from a Championship perspective, although they still need to pay for ground rent and all that (though I imagine existing financials in this hypothetical future are up in the air), but are you saying that Premiership clubs would essentially pay for 2 squads?Kawazaki wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:41 pm Championship clubs will have to formally pair with a Premiership club. It's like this now to some extent in an unofficial capacity but it would need to be formalised. The Championship then becomes a de facto 'A' league. Removing the bulk of salaries from Championship clubs should hopefully make them more viable.
Mmm, that seems high. Quins have 49 including their academy. And you need to have fit bodies for training - as Gustard and others have pointed out during big injury runs, not having enough warm bodies for training is a real problem.Kawazaki wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:43 pmJM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:26 pmThat makes sense from a Championship perspective, although they still need to pay for ground rent and all that (though I imagine existing financials in this hypothetical future are up in the air), but are you saying that Premiership clubs would essentially pay for 2 squads?Kawazaki wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:41 pm Championship clubs will have to formally pair with a Premiership club. It's like this now to some extent in an unofficial capacity but it would need to be formalised. The Championship then becomes a de facto 'A' league. Removing the bulk of salaries from Championship clubs should hopefully make them more viable.
Premiership clubs currently have senior squads of about 60 players. This typically includes anything from 13 ex-academy players (Bristol) up to 35 ex-academy players (Leicester). Additionally, they will have a senior academy where players are transitioning from junior rugby but are still under 21yrs or thereabouts. This makes a total of about 70 players. Lets assume that 20% are injured at any given time and that still leaves 56 fit players needing a match every week. In short, the Premiership clubs are already funding enough players to play two sides every week.
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:04 pmMmm, that seems high. Quins have 49 including their academy. And you need to have fit bodies for training - as Gustard and others have pointed out during big injury runs, not having enough warm bodies for training is a real problem.Kawazaki wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:43 pmJM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:26 pm
That makes sense from a Championship perspective, although they still need to pay for ground rent and all that (though I imagine existing financials in this hypothetical future are up in the air), but are you saying that Premiership clubs would essentially pay for 2 squads?
Premiership clubs currently have senior squads of about 60 players. This typically includes anything from 13 ex-academy players (Bristol) up to 35 ex-academy players (Leicester). Additionally, they will have a senior academy where players are transitioning from junior rugby but are still under 21yrs or thereabouts. This makes a total of about 70 players. Lets assume that 20% are injured at any given time and that still leaves 56 fit players needing a match every week. In short, the Premiership clubs are already funding enough players to play two sides every week.
That seems miles off, even for last season. I've just checked the updated spreadsheet someone on the Quins board did for the 2019 season, and it's 54 players including academy, so 46 senior players. We have 44 seniors this season according to the press release I just dug up, and the number I gave earlier was from headcounting on our official page.Kawazaki wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:10 pmAccording to Rugbypass, Quins have bang-on 60 players in their senior squad for the 19/20 season.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/analysis ... r-2019-20/
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:43 pmThat seems miles off, even for last season. I've just checked the updated spreadsheet someone on the Quins board did for the 2019 season, and it's 54 players including academy, so 46 senior players. We have 44 seniors this season according to the press release I just dug up, and the number I gave earlier was from headcounting on our official page.Kawazaki wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:10 pmAccording to Rugbypass, Quins have bang-on 60 players in their senior squad for the 19/20 season.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/analysis ... r-2019-20/
I think rugbypass are working off bad data. 60 players would be a gigantic senior squad for sure.
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:07 pm The numbers for some certainly tally with my own counts!
Exeter: the wiki page referenced now reads 69 players, not 75, and it seems pretty clearly to be the EPDG + academy + senior squad as it includes people who aren't even on the Exeter "seniors+academy" squad page on their site [which is 60 people in total].
And their capped players don't have bags of caps (Hogg aside, + maybe Slade) and not many Lions...
US sports are closed shops, so it's easier to maintain teams you can use as rehab/development squads as opposed to the theory that any team can make it to the Prem, so you can't just have Wasps B who permanently stay in the Championship or similar.
It sort of works in Spanish football, though.Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:21 pmUS sports are closed shops, so it's easier to maintain teams you can use as rehab/development squads as opposed to the theory that any team can make it to the Prem, so you can't just have Wasps B who permanently stay in the Championship or similar.
Quality's not great (could be my interenet out in the sticks), but it's steady.
Neither of them should commentate on their teams. Neither are really the best either in my mind, but this is always going to be even worse, given the affiliation.