Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Slick]

So Wes Streeting has been in dialogue with more Tory MPs over possible defections.
This really is getting quite bizarre now.
I expect to see Sunak saying it's all going to plan again soon.
The inertia from Government is doing the UK a disservice.

It's so much of an utter shambles that I can only believe it's on purpose, like they're waiting to be told what to do.

More decent news on the economy today, that's what they are waiting for.

[JM2K6]

A lot of that was Labour people who hated Corbyn saying ‘don’t know/won’t vote’ who then did so. Lots of people hate, hate the idea of a Labour government. The Tories will lose but they’re not about to be wiped out like the Canadian Tories were in the 90s

Labour people didn't really have anyone else to vote for after the Lib Dems shit the bed. The Tories have some actual competition and Labour themselves are offering policies that appeal to a lot of Tory voters. The "hate the idea of a Labour government" lot are not a large percentage as it stands - it's essentially the Tory ride-or-die types who are literally the only people voting for them, and even then they're splitting their vote with the further-right groups.

We’ll see. I don’t think the election will be close, but I think total Tory wipeout predictions verge on fantasy

Maybe! But you also have to factor in that Corbyn benefited from being opposition. The Tories are the incumbents and have done such an outrageously shit job for so long, in such a high profile and almost universally despised manner, that outside of the diehards there is no way people can realistically hope for improvement should they win again. Even with Corbyn he could campaign on promises that appealed to the left and some of the centre, albeit damaged by his own credibility issues; the Tories are wildly unpopular as people and politicians, the cupboard is bare, their policies are aimed squarely at a tiny group of voters, and everyone now understands that the entire party is absolutely useless and can't be trusted to do anything except cling to power and enrich themselves and their buddies.

They are essentially the embodiment of everything people feared from a Corbyn government, but magnified a hundred times with genuinely loathsome people from top to bottom. Add in the sea change in attitudes to where we are as a country, the views on Brexit, and the financial hardships affecting most of the country, and a wipeout starts to look less a fantasy and more a course correction by an electorate that has had enough.

[C69]

So Wes Streeting has been in dialogue with more Tory MPs over possible defections.
This really is getting quite bizarre now.
I expect to see Sunak saying it's all going to plan again soon.
The inertia from Government is doing the UK a disservice.

It's so much of an utter shambles that I can only believe it's on purpose, like they're waiting to be told what to do.

More decent news on the economy today, that's what they are waiting for.

0.6% growth lol

[sockwithaticket]

Even if that were to continue between now and the last possible moment they can call an election, surely it wouldn't fix anything with voters? What would be the lead time on growth actually making people feel better off? Wealth inequality and public services are the worst they've been in aeons to say nothing of all the corruption and inability to govern, there's simply too much to make up for over the last 14 years for a few months of economic growth to be enough mitigation.

[Slick]

Even if that were to continue between now and the last possible moment they can call an election, surely it wouldn't fix anything with voters? What would be the lead time on growth actually making people feel better off? Wealth inequality and public services are the worst they've been in aeons to say nothing, there's simply too much to make up for over the last 14 years for a few months of economic growth to be enough mitigation.

You would hope so, but there is still a persistent misconception that they are the party of the economy and if things are going in the right direction for a few months in a row I can quite easily see a substantial number of folk wavering.

[petej]

Even if that were to continue between now and the last possible moment they can call an election, surely it wouldn't fix anything with voters? What would be the lead time on growth actually making people feel better off? Wealth inequality and public services are the worst they've been in aeons to say nothing of all the corruption and inability to govern, there's simply too much to make up for over the last 14 years for a few months of economic growth to be enough mitigation.

Worth remembering that under the Tories prior to our exit we were the only EU country with the combination of economic growth and falling wages. After 14 years of stagnation and decline in living standards I don't think it moves the needle.

Edit: it might move the needle for the comfortably retired.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

It's so much of an utter shambles that I can only believe it's on purpose, like they're waiting to be told what to do.

More decent news on the economy today, that's what they are waiting for.

0.6% growth lol

And you could argue that's inflation driven rather than growth driven

[dpedin]

More decent news on the economy today, that's what they are waiting for.

0.6% growth lol

And you could argue that's inflation driven rather than growth driven

Compared with same quarter last year this is just a 0.2% increase in GDP so we have barely caught up with where we were a year ago. Worry is that within the overall figure construction fell by 0.9% so longer term investment seems a bit stuck? GDP per capita for quarter is 0.4%. 5 year GDP growth for UK is 1.7% way behind US, Canada and Italy, behind France and ahead of Germany. Im not sure UK is doing much more than mirroring global G7 countries albeit more slowly and from a lower base?

[_Os_]

Lets see how well DAC's right wing populist uprising is going. Oh ...

What Right Wing populist uprising? Do you mean the one where the Tories smashed Labour everywhere and then the Tories did the practical opposite of what everyone voted for.......which is now seeing their demise?

Or are you just talking nonsense as per.

Seemed clear that you expect people to think again about voting Labour enough to change their vote:

But as the GE approaches people will be forced to think what voting for Labour will actually mean and what it will entail.

What is that exactly?

As it's you, let's start slowly. The British public will get more Identity & Gender politics.

And the Tories didn't do "the practical opposite of what everyone voted for". They offered things which couldn't work as they were described and the electorate believed them, the media environment is so biased towards the Tories that most of the UK electorate only started hearing any criticism after the failure of successive major Tory policies.

Back when austerity started for "balance" the BBC needed to give space on panels to someone that opposed austerity, in other words someone who thought the idea that cutting public investment whilst lowering taxes for the richest would create economic growth was absolute nonsense and that instead interest rates being at historic lows of 0% (and negative in real terms) meant borrowing to invest in services and infrastructure was the better option. The person picked was always someone from the fringes of the activist left (some type of politician or journalist, not an expert) who described themselves as communist (the type who would later back Corbyn). There were plenty of mainstream Keynesian economists and academics with credibility some of them were arguing against austerity if you read publications which very few do, but they were definitely never given air time. The UK electorate decided cutting public investment during a time when free money was available whilst directing those savings at cutting taxation of the richest, was a moderate and sensible position and therefore the best option, when it was actually a very extreme right wing position that had considerable failure potential. Similar happened on the two other major Tory policy areas, Brexit and immigration.

It's just not the case that the UK government is like Santa Claus and has the magic ability deliver on any wish list people can dream up. That's not how this works.

[fishfoodie]

0.6% growth lol

And you could argue that's inflation driven rather than growth driven

Compared with same quarter last year this is just a 0.2% increase in GDP so we have barely caught up with where we were a year ago. Worry is that within the overall figure construction fell by 0.9% so longer term investment seems a bit stuck? GDP per capita for quarter is 0.4%. 5 year GDP growth for UK is 1.7% way behind US, Canada and Italy, behind France and ahead of Germany. Im not sure UK is doing much more than mirroring global G7 countries albeit more slowly and from a lower base?

Investment fell off a cliff after Brexit, & all the uncertainty of where the UK was going to land in the Post-Brexit world.

The impact of course takes a few years to make themselves apparent, & any recovery now the UKs position is sorta clear will also take years to happen, & now anyone borrowing money, is paying more for it, thanks to the Tories giving Truss power for a few weeks.

[_Os_]

The "it's outrageous people with such abhorrent views are accepted into the Labour party!" attack line, was a bold one for the loony to run with.

[C T]

The "it's outrageous people with such abhorrent views are accepted into the Labour party!" attack line, was a bold one for the loony to run with.

The Tories aren't even doing a particularly good job of burying Labour for taking her, they really are beyond useless.

[dpedin]

The "it's outrageous people with such abhorrent views are accepted into the Labour party!" attack line, was a bold one for the loony to run with.

The Tories aren't even doing a particularly good job of burying Labour for taking her, they really are beyond useless.

So now the Tories are claiming that Elphicke had been lobbying to interfere in her husbands court case

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68997960

This of course begs the obvious question of why this wasn't raised at the time and appropriate action taken against her when she was a Tory MP. Talk about shooting yourself in both feet! So their line is 'we knew she was doing this but hushed it up because it would harm the Tories but now she has defected we will call her out because we don't like her now'! If this isn't one rule for us and another for them then I dont know what is - what feckin clueless feckers!

[Hal Jordan]

The whips and media have a huge amount of shit on MPs, how else do they keep them in line?

[tabascoboy]

[tabascoboy]

1950s: thermonuclear bombs. Space race
1960s: world on brink of nuclear annihilation
1970s: multiple states of emergency
1980s: fall of European communism
1990s: internet
2000s: financial collapse
2010s: indyref. Brexit. Climate

[sturginho]

This latest gambit seems like and odd one, as others have said, if we are in such great danger then why is Grant Schapps the defense sec?

[Lobby]

This latest gambit seems like and odd one, as others have said, if we are in such great danger then why is Grant Schapps the defense sec?

And why are Tory PM's happy to promote suspected KGB agents to the House of Lords?

[Sandstorm]

This latest gambit seems like and odd one, as others have said, if we are in such great danger then why is Grant Schapps the defense sec?

And why are Tory PM's happy to promote suspected KGB agents to the House of Lords?

Less melanin

[SaintK]

So while the Head Prefect is giving an incoherent speech about security, Conservative central office are committing a major data protection breach. Sums tham up really!

[David in Gwent]

Whilst the Tories new "Project Fear" simply will not work, it has to be said, Labour have got their hands full going into the next 5 years or so.

I see zero evidence their globalists are any different than the Tory globalists, so we're in for a fun time.

[David in Gwent]

"Every Aspect Of Your Lives Will Change By 2030" - Sunak.

I suppose most people on here will be cool with a digital currency?

[dpedin]

"Every Aspect Of Your Lives Will Change By 2030" - Sunak.

I suppose most people on here will be cool with a digital currency?

I listened to some of his speech, I couldn't listen to it all and turned off, and it was an incoherent pile of steaming shite unsubstantiated and without any reasonable facts and figures and a pathetic attempt to rewrite recent history. It sounded almost infantile at times and I suspect if it was a First Year politics degree essay would have failed to get a pass mark. At one point he actually included the SNP as a threat to stability along with other foreign actors such as China, Russia, etc. Fair enough he doesnt have to agree with the SNP desire for an independent Scotland but to basically disrespect the democratically elected Scottish Government and call them a threat within the context of his speech was just pathetic and disrespectful of the Scottish voters who put the SNP into power. He is just very, very bad at this whole politics thing, awful at trying to deliver a speech and is getting piss poor advice from CCHQ. He is toast and it is just a matter of who gets rid of him first his own party or the voting public?

[lemonhead]

"Every Aspect Of Your Lives Will Change By 2030" - Sunak.

I suppose most people on here will be cool with a digital currency?

I listened to some of his speech, I couldn't listen to it all and turned off, and it was an incoherent pile of steaming shite unsubstantiated and without any reasonable facts and figures and a pathetic attempt to rewrite recent history. It sounded almost infantile at times and I suspect if it was a First Year politics degree essay would have failed to get a pass mark. At one point he actually included the SNP as a threat to stability along with other foreign actors such as China, Russia, etc. Fair enough he doesnt have to agree with the SNP desire for an independent Scotland but to basically disrespect the democratically elected Scottish Government and call them a threat within the context of his speech was just pathetic and disrespectful of the Scottish voters who put the SNP into power. He is just very, very bad at this whole politics thing, awful at trying to deliver a speech and is getting piss poor advice from CCHQ. He is toast and it is just a matter of who gets rid of him first his own party or the voting public?

15 minute Caulfields (a stretch, I do confess)

Follow the money....

[sturginho]

The minister for "Common sense" wants to ban civil servants from wearing rainbow lanyards. That'll show Putin who's boss!

[David in Gwent]

"Every Aspect Of Your Lives Will Change By 2030" - Sunak.

I suppose most people on here will be cool with a digital currency?

I listened to some of his speech, I couldn't listen to it all and turned off, and it was an incoherent pile of steaming shite unsubstantiated and without any reasonable facts and figures and a pathetic attempt to rewrite recent history. It sounded almost infantile at times and I suspect if it was a First Year politics degree essay would have failed to get a pass mark. At one point he actually included the SNP as a threat to stability along with other foreign actors such as China, Russia, etc. Fair enough he doesnt have to agree with the SNP desire for an independent Scotland but to basically disrespect the democratically elected Scottish Government and call them a threat within the context of his speech was just pathetic and disrespectful of the Scottish voters who put the SNP into power. He is just very, very bad at this whole politics thing, awful at trying to deliver a speech and is getting piss poor advice from CCHQ. He is toast and it is just a matter of who gets rid of him first his own party or the voting public?

So you think that there's a chance he's just a globalist puppet, purposely placed into that seat, right? Just like Trudeau, Macron, Biden and whomever is in charge in Ireland at the moment?

I mean, look at the shuffling of people we had to endure before the people who wanted him as PM finally got their man.

[David in Gwent]

The West's leaders at the moment are so incredibly weak, clueless and ineffective it's got to be by design.

We're also being warned that things are going to change soon.....

[Biffer]

The ridiculous paranoia.

[yermum]

Wake up sheeple!

[Sandstorm]

Wake up sheeple!

I'm doing my own research.

[David in Gwent]

Well done Sam, sure fire vote winner in Bradford, Rotherham, etc etc

[Slick]

The West's leaders at the moment are so incredibly weak, clueless and ineffective it's got to be by design.

We're also being warned that things are going to change soon.....

Who are these people controlling the world?

[David in Gwent]

The West's leaders at the moment are so incredibly weak, clueless and ineffective it's got to be by design.

We're also being warned that things are going to change soon.....

Who are these people controlling the world?

That's a really good question.

[Slick]

The West's leaders at the moment are so incredibly weak, clueless and ineffective it's got to be by design.

We're also being warned that things are going to change soon.....

Who are these people controlling the world?

That's a really good question.

Come on, you must have an idea?

[SaintK]

Not sure why any fair minded MP would vote against this anyway.

[David in Gwent]

Who are these people controlling the world?

That's a really good question.

Come on, you must have an idea?

Not a scooby. - but just about every war fought in the last half century that involved the West was either built on lies or involved a regime change or both - constant war.... I think you'd have to be willfully stupid/ignorant not to think that someone is pulling the strings of how the world works.

Without a doubt the next step will be a digital currency and once that happens, we're all basically slaves to whomever runs the DC, there is no debating that.

[Biffer]

That's a really good question.

Come on, you must have an idea?

Not a scooby. - but just about every war fought in the last half century that involved the West was either built on lies or involved a regime change or both - constant war.... I think you'd have to be willfully stupid/ignorant not to think that someone is pulling the strings of how the world works.

Without a doubt the next step will be a digital currency and once that happens, we're all basically slaves to whomever runs the DC, there is no debating that.

If you scrape away at any conspiracy theory, or someone who proposes them, eventually you get to the answer - 'IT'S THE JEWS'. Either you know this but don't want to say it out loud, or you don't know it and you've been duped.

All conspiracy theories are anti-Semitic at their heart.

[Slick]

That's a really good question.

Come on, you must have an idea?

Not a scooby. - but just about every war fought in the last half century that involved the West was either built on lies or involved a regime change or both - constant war.... I think you'd have to be willfully stupid/ignorant not to think that someone is pulling the strings of how the world works.

Without a doubt the next step will be a digital currency and once that happens, we're all basically slaves to whomever runs the DC, there is no debating that.

Well, there is probably a bit of debate to be had. But not from me, this is lunacy.

I wondered what the various digital currency references you have put on threads have been about, should have known.

[David in Gwent]

Come on, you must have an idea?

Not a scooby. - but just about every war fought in the last half century that involved the West was either built on lies or involved a regime change or both - constant war.... I think you'd have to be willfully stupid/ignorant not to think that someone is pulling the strings of how the world works.

Without a doubt the next step will be a digital currency and once that happens, we're all basically slaves to whomever runs the DC, there is no debating that.

Well, there is probably a bit of debate to be had. But not from me, this is lunacy.

I wondered what the various digital currency references you have put on threads have been about, should have known.

In what way is it Lunacy?

Do you trust your Government?

[Sandstorm]

He's asking IMPORTANT questions here, folks.