The Brexit Thread

[Woddy]

Genuine question, and advanced apologies if this just demonstrates massive ignorance of my part: how do arguments over trading deals between the UK and EU affect the GFA (which I have always thought of as a peace treaty with terrorists or their legal political proxies)?

I appreciate that there is a lot of movement over the Eire/NI border but presume there always has been.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

I see those awful hauliers have dragged their feet and not made adequate preparations to the point that they may need a permit to enter Kent. For shame, you laggardly truckers!

On the positive side, we may get the New Canterbury Tales as they sit by the fireside, waiting for entry. The spelling will probably be about the same, too.

And they're still being told they need to get on and make their preparations without being told what they need to prepare for. As with the pandemic Boris is moving to establish any issues as being the fault of the people

[MSG#]

Lorries stacking up in Kent for miles is quite common already - a channel storm or more commonly a strike in France is all it takes.

A friend of mine is going into the customs brokering business (rather building the website and backend for one) and reckons the actual paperwork and declaration is easy but the problem would be getting stuck behind drivers who do not have the proper documentation and getting delayed anyway...probably explains why they they want to try and filter these people out before they get to the ports.

Anyone with an ounce of nous knows that the frogs will be blockading ports and burning sheep whilst the police look on at midnight on the 31st.

[fishfoodie]

Genuine question, and advanced apologies if this just demonstrates massive ignorance of my part: how do arguments over trading deals between the UK and EU affect the GFA (which I have always thought of as a peace treaty with terrorists or their legal political proxies)?

I appreciate that there is a lot of movement over the Eire/NI border but presume there always has been.

The GFA was about the UK & ROI agreeing that the status of NI was entirely in the control of the people of NI. The ROI renounced their territorial claim over NI, & the UK agreed to an NI assembly, & that a referendum in the future could trigger reunification.

What Brexit is doing is forcing the re-instatement of barriers, where they had been removed by the GFA; this was predictable, & predicted. You can't have a border between the UK & the EU, & not have customs, & other checks.

The amount of movement of goods & people across the border is orders of magnitude higher now than it was before the GFA; mostly because of the removal of these barriers.

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/7-ye ... ytica-boss

7-year disqualification for Cambridge Analytica boss

Alexander Nix banned from running limited companies for seven years after permitting companies to offer potentially unethical services to prospective clients.

Alexander James Ashburner Nix (45), from Holland Park, West London, has signed a disqualification undertaking, accepted by the Secretary of State on 14 September 2020.

Within the undertaking, Alexander Nix did not dispute that he caused or permitted SCL Elections Ltd or associated companies to market themselves as offering potentially unethical services to prospective clients; demonstrating a lack of commercial probity.

Effective from 5 October 2020, Alexander Nix is disqualified for seven years from acting as a director or directly or indirectly becoming involved, without the permission of the court, in the promotion, formation or management of a company.

Alexander Nix was a director of SCL Elections Ltd, a company that provided data analytics, marketing and communication services to political and commercial customers. He was also a director of five other connected UK companies: SCL Group Ltd, SCL Social Ltd, SCL Analytics Ltd, SCL Commercial Ltd, and Cambridge Analytica (UK) Ltd.

From 2016, SCL Elections Ltd was included in a rebranding of associated companies which then operated under the trading names Cambridge Analytica, CA Political (Global) and CA Commercial.

SCL Elections and the five connected companies, however, ceased trading following allegations in the UK and United States media which created substantial adverse publicity.

Some of the accusations against the companies related to allegedly offering potential clients unethical services.

All six companies entered into administration in May 2018 before entering into compulsory liquidation in April 2019. The companies’ insolvencies brought them to the attention of the Insolvency Service, who conducted investigations into the conduct of the directors.

Investigators’ enquiries confirmed that Alexander Nix had caused or permitted SCL Elections or associated companies to act with a lack of commercial probity.

The unethical services offered by the companies included bribery or honey trap stings, voter disengagement campaigns, obtaining information to discredit political opponents and spreading information anonymously in political campaigns.

[fishfoodie]

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/7-ye ... ytica-boss

7-year disqualification for Cambridge Analytica boss

Alexander Nix banned from running limited companies for seven years after permitting companies to offer potentially unethical services to prospective clients.

Alexander James Ashburner Nix (45), from Holland Park, West London, has signed a disqualification undertaking, accepted by the Secretary of State on 14 September 2020.

Within the undertaking, Alexander Nix did not dispute that he caused or permitted SCL Elections Ltd or associated companies to market themselves as offering potentially unethical services to prospective clients; demonstrating a lack of commercial probity.

Effective from 5 October 2020, Alexander Nix is disqualified for seven years from acting as a director or directly or indirectly becoming involved, without the permission of the court, in the promotion, formation or management of a company.

Alexander Nix was a director of SCL Elections Ltd, a company that provided data analytics, marketing and communication services to political and commercial customers. He was also a director of five other connected UK companies: SCL Group Ltd, SCL Social Ltd, SCL Analytics Ltd, SCL Commercial Ltd, and Cambridge Analytica (UK) Ltd.

From 2016, SCL Elections Ltd was included in a rebranding of associated companies which then operated under the trading names Cambridge Analytica, CA Political (Global) and CA Commercial.

SCL Elections and the five connected companies, however, ceased trading following allegations in the UK and United States media which created substantial adverse publicity.

Some of the accusations against the companies related to allegedly offering potential clients unethical services.

All six companies entered into administration in May 2018 before entering into compulsory liquidation in April 2019. The companies’ insolvencies brought them to the attention of the Insolvency Service, who conducted investigations into the conduct of the directors.

Investigators’ enquiries confirmed that Alexander Nix had caused or permitted SCL Elections or associated companies to act with a lack of commercial probity.

The unethical services offered by the companies included bribery or honey trap stings, voter disengagement campaigns, obtaining information to discredit political opponents and spreading information anonymously in political campaigns.

Alexander Nix grew up in Notting Hill, in West London, attended fee-paying Eton College

The cunt production line continues to produce the very biggest cunts !

[Hal Jordan]

I see those awful hauliers have dragged their feet and not made adequate preparations to the point that they may need a permit to enter Kent. For shame, you laggardly truckers!

On the positive side, we may get the New Canterbury Tales as they sit by the fireside, waiting for entry. The spelling will probably be about the same, too.

And they're still being told they need to get on and make their preparations without being told what they need to prepare for. As with the pandemic Boris is moving to establish any issues as being the fault of the people

Now, now, we all know whose fault this is. Anyone and everyone except the Government.

[Woddy]

Genuine question, and advanced apologies if this just demonstrates massive ignorance of my part: how do arguments over trading deals between the UK and EU affect the GFA (which I have always thought of as a peace treaty with terrorists or their legal political proxies)?

I appreciate that there is a lot of movement over the Eire/NI border but presume there always has been.

The GFA was about the UK & ROI agreeing that the status of NI was entirely in the control of the people of NI. The ROI renounced their territorial claim over NI, & the UK agreed to an NI assembly, & that a referendum in the future could trigger reunification.

What Brexit is doing is forcing the re-instatement of barriers, where they had been removed by the GFA; this was predictable, & predicted. You can't have a border between the UK & the EU, & not have customs, & other checks.

The amount of movement of goods & people across the border is orders of magnitude higher now than it was before the GFA; mostly because of the removal of these barriers.

Thanks. Makes more sense now!

[SaintK]

BREAKING NEWS:

In order to simplify operation of the ANPR system and permit document checking, all traffic heading to the channel crossings in Kent will be required to use the M25 clockwise and to halt at the Dartford crossing to show passports and Kent Access Permits.

In order to simplify this process further, all internal traffic will be required to travel anti-clockwise on the M25.

Vehicle starting in Kent but heading for Europe will be required to complete a full circuit of the M25 unless they have received authorisation for a Kent Regional Access Permit

[Hal Jordan]

#Kexit has been trending on Twitter, but it sounds like someone who has suffered a trouser malfunction.

[fishfoodie]

#Kexit has been trending on Twitter, but it sounds like someone who has suffered a trouser malfunction.

The PRoK has already chosen a flag.

[Slick]

BREAKING NEWS:

In order to simplify operation of the ANPR system and permit document checking, all traffic heading to the channel crossings in Kent will be required to use the M25 clockwise and to halt at the Dartford crossing to show passports and Kent Access Permits.

In order to simplify this process further, all internal traffic will be required to travel anti-clockwise on the M25.

Vehicle starting in Kent but heading for Europe will be required to complete a full circuit of the M25 unless they have received authorisation for a Kent Regional Access Permit

That's not real is it?

[SaintK]

BREAKING NEWS:

In order to simplify operation of the ANPR system and permit document checking, all traffic heading to the channel crossings in Kent will be required to use the M25 clockwise and to halt at the Dartford crossing to show passports and Kent Access Permits.

In order to simplify this process further, all internal traffic will be required to travel anti-clockwise on the M25.

Vehicle starting in Kent but heading for Europe will be required to complete a full circuit of the M25 unless they have received authorisation for a Kent Regional Access Permit

That's not real is it?

Bloody well hope not. I cut and pasted it from below the line comments on a "live" politics feed

[fishfoodie]

That's not real is it?

Bloody well hope not. I cut and pasted it from below the line comments on a "live" politics feed

It's interesting that, that kind of insanity is so believable.

[SaintK]

That's not real is it?

Bloody well hope not. I cut and pasted it from below the line comments on a "live" politics feed

It's interesting that, that kind of insanity is so believable.

You need to hope that Gove or Cummings doesn't see it, it might happen otherwise!!

[fishfoodie]

Bloody well hope not. I cut and pasted it from below the line comments on a "live" politics feed

It's interesting that, that kind of insanity is so believable.

You need to hope that Gove or Cummings doesn't see it, it might happen otherwise!!

This is the Party that was investigating facial recognition for sheep, & promising that, 'technology', would be able to tell what was in the back of trucks going back, & forth across the border between ROI & NI.

[Rinkals]

I notice that Switzerland have more sense than to vote against their own interests.

[Sandstorm]

I notice that Switzerland have more sense than to vote against their own interests.

The Swiss have referendums nearly every year and understand how they work.

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brex ... dwpUbpqMmA

Brexit threat to raise bills by hundreds of millions

Brexit threatens to add hundreds of millions of pounds to energy bills as Britain leaves an EU platform that enables efficient trading through subsea power cables with the Continent, according to a Policy Exchange report.

The think tank said that development of new electricity “interconnectors” with France and other countries also risked being delayed due to the uncertainty over trading arrangements.

The report warns that “from 2021, the integration of UK and EU energy markets will go into reverse for the first time in decades” and called for both sides to form a new energy agreement to continue efficient trading.

A system of “market coupling” automatically schedules interconnector usage to ensure electricity flows from lower priced regions where there is surplus, to higher priced regions

...

I'm sure that with us holding all the cards, these negotiations should be but a mere formality, especially if that Aussie trade bloke does it and not one of the cabinet incompetents.

[Rinkals]

It really does seem quite bizarre.

Are we blindly claiming that the conditions for Brexit remain unchanged from 2016?

[Hal Jordan]

I always knew Policy Exchange were a bunch of lefty Remoaners.

[tc27]

Lots of rumours flying that a deal is close - Barnier briefing Merkle later today.

[MSG#]

It's interesting that, that kind of insanity is so believable.

You need to hope that Gove or Cummings doesn't see it, it might happen otherwise!!

This is the Party that was investigating facial recognition for sheep, & promising that, 'technology', would be able to tell what was in the back of trucks going back, & forth across the border between ROI & NI.

Were they buggery. EU were using 'walking away' as a bargaining tool, ie the fact that we're not, in any way, prepared for if there isn't a deal.
No way we need to tell them what we'll do at all. That's our issue.

[SaintK]

You need to hope that Gove or Cummings doesn't see it, it might happen otherwise!!

This is the Party that was investigating facial recognition for sheep, & promising that, 'technology', would be able to tell what was in the back of trucks going back, & forth across the border between ROI & NI.

Were they buggery. EU were using 'walking away' as a bargaining tool, ie the fact that we're not, in any way, prepared for if there isn't a deal.

Not sure what your response has to do with using Kent as a carpark and facial recognition of sheep.
Think you're getting a bit confused as to which board you're on as you are so busy on two fronts

[Magpie26]

I notice that Switzerland have more sense than to vote against their own interests.

The Swiss have referendums nearly every year and understand how they work.

Every year.......hell we had 13 in 2016 and 10 in 2018
Does get a bit tedious at times.

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -in-uk-law

Farmers and food campaigners were defeated on Monday night in their attempts to enshrine high food safety and animal welfare practices in British law.

[Tichtheid]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -in-uk-law

Farmers and food campaigners were defeated on Monday night in their attempts to enshrine high food safety and animal welfare practices in British law.

Who'dathunk they were lying?

The bit, well one of the bits, I find appalling is the prospect of "country of origin" labelling being made illegal under any Trans-Atlantic trade deal - so much for "free trade" and the "market will decide" rubbish.

[Insane_Homer]

June...

The UK’s world-leading food standards could be compromised under a UK-US trade deal, with consumers unable to make meaningful choices about what they eat.

New research by Which? shows that consumers are against lower standard food, even if labelled. As we reported last week, a UK-US trade deal could see hormone-treated beef, pigs and chlorinated chicken – practices currently banned in the UK – be imported or produced here.

The government had promised to uphold food standards but has recently begun to backtrack.

Proponents of lowering food standards claim shoppers can make informed decisions. When the debate around chlorinated chicken first began, in 2017, Sonny Perdue, the US secretary of agriculture, told Radio 4; ‘If the consumer doesn’t want them that way, they won’t buy them’. Earlier this month, Cabinet Office Minister Penny Mourdant told concerned MPs ‘we should be trusting the consumer’ over food standards. But new research shows consumers don’t agree. Three fifths of people say food produced to lower standards should not be on sale regardless of labelling, a Which? survey of 2,078 adults in June found. Two-thirds were concerned about lower-quality food being sold in schools and hospitals. Labelling could also be open to challenge as part of the trade deal, as the US takes a different approach to labelling of production methods, and has previously challenged country of origin labelling.

Read more: https://www.which.co.uk/news/2020/06/wh ... rade-deal/ - Which?

[Bimbowomxn]

Low price US food is no less a standard than low price EU food. It also isn’t cheap enough to compete .....

Higher grade US production on the other hand is much cheaper than the free range /organic meat in Europe.

This isn’t about food standards, it’s about profits.

[Insane_Homer]

Lyin' cunt be lyin'

[fishfoodie]

The transport secretary has acknowledged that flights between the UK and the European Union could be grounded from 1 January 2021 in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

At present, UK and EU airlines are able to fly any routes they wish under the long-standing “open-skies” agreement within Europe.

That comes to an end on 31 December, as the Brexit transition period ends.

Grant Shapps told the virtual convention of Abta, the travel association: “We’re seeking arrangements that will maintain connectivity.”

But his remarks made it clear that, with 78 days to go, there is currently no legal framework for flights to continue to operate from 1 January 2021.

[Hal Jordan]

Kent latest: The planned installation of loads of portaloos for delayed lorry drivers to enjoy.

"Boris bogs"

[ASMO]

The transport secretary has acknowledged that flights between the UK and the European Union could be grounded from 1 January 2021 in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

At present, UK and EU airlines are able to fly any routes they wish under the long-standing “open-skies” agreement within Europe.

That comes to an end on 31 December, as the Brexit transition period ends.

Grant Shapps told the virtual convention of Abta, the travel association: “We’re seeking arrangements that will maintain connectivity.”

But his remarks made it clear that, with 78 days to go, there is currently no legal framework for flights to continue to operate from 1 January 2021.

Those chlorinated chickens are starting to come home to roost.

[fishfoodie]

The transport secretary has acknowledged that flights between the UK and the European Union could be grounded from 1 January 2021 in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

At present, UK and EU airlines are able to fly any routes they wish under the long-standing “open-skies” agreement within Europe.

That comes to an end on 31 December, as the Brexit transition period ends.

Grant Shapps told the virtual convention of Abta, the travel association: “We’re seeking arrangements that will maintain connectivity.”

But his remarks made it clear that, with 78 days to go, there is currently no legal framework for flights to continue to operate from 1 January 2021.

Those chlorinated chickens are starting to come home to roost.

On the plus side, he did confirm that the Channel Tunnel trains can continue uninterrupted !

So BA just need to train the pilots to fly thru the chunnel

[tabascoboy]

"The Farage Garage"

[Openside]

The transport secretary has acknowledged that flights between the UK and the European Union could be grounded from 1 January 2021 in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

At present, UK and EU airlines are able to fly any routes they wish under the long-standing “open-skies” agreement within Europe.

That comes to an end on 31 December, as the Brexit transition period ends.

Grant Shapps told the virtual convention of Abta, the travel association: “We’re seeking arrangements that will maintain connectivity.”

But his remarks made it clear that, with 78 days to go, there is currently no legal framework for flights to continue to operate from 1 January 2021.

Do you honestly think that will happen??

[fishfoodie]

The transport secretary has acknowledged that flights between the UK and the European Union could be grounded from 1 January 2021 in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

At present, UK and EU airlines are able to fly any routes they wish under the long-standing “open-skies” agreement within Europe.

That comes to an end on 31 December, as the Brexit transition period ends.

Grant Shapps told the virtual convention of Abta, the travel association: “We’re seeking arrangements that will maintain connectivity.”

But his remarks made it clear that, with 78 days to go, there is currently no legal framework for flights to continue to operate from 1 January 2021.

Do you honestly think that will happen??

I think the EU27 will unilaterally offer a limited period, say 6 months, from Jan 1st, where flights can do UK to EU flights, & returns, but no, UK-EU-EU etc.

But I also agree with Sir Ivan Rogers, that if the UK acts in bad faith at any stage, e.g. invoking anything in the Internal markets bill; the EU will withdraw any side deals unilaterally, & the UK will end up with a North Korea deal, not an Australian deal !

[The Druid]

Talks between the UK and EU over a post-Brexit trade agreement are "over", Downing Street has said. Friday 16th Oct.

"See you next Monday then"

[Northern Lights]

The transport secretary has acknowledged that flights between the UK and the European Union could be grounded from 1 January 2021 in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

At present, UK and EU airlines are able to fly any routes they wish under the long-standing “open-skies” agreement within Europe.

That comes to an end on 31 December, as the Brexit transition period ends.

Grant Shapps told the virtual convention of Abta, the travel association: “We’re seeking arrangements that will maintain connectivity.”

But his remarks made it clear that, with 78 days to go, there is currently no legal framework for flights to continue to operate from 1 January 2021.

Do you honestly think that will happen??

There will be no airlines left with the way they are handling covid, so that is that box ticked. Next...

[Bimbowomxn]

But I also agree with Sir Ivan Rogers, that if the UK acts in bad faith at any stage, e.g. invoking anything in the Internal markets bill; the EU will withdraw any side deals unilaterally, & the UK will end up with a North Korea deal, not an Australian deal !

They cannot do that by any legal measure. Unless you’re saying that the EU will enter a war like status.


Wishful thinking maybe .