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David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:05 pm
yermum wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 2:50 pm Just say it’s the Jews you are flirting so hard with the antisemitic tropes.

International banking conspiracies

Media control

Just needs a cultural Marxism thrown in for the full house
Sorry, that facile shite doesn't wash with me. The financial system IS a scam and the Media do control the current narrative, whatever that may be, with no dissenting voices allowed.

Fuck all to do with Jews son.
So now we have all governments, the entire financial system and the Media being controlled, but not even an inkling of who might be controlling them?
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
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Slick wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:08 pm
David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:05 pm
yermum wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 2:50 pm Just say it’s the Jews you are flirting so hard with the antisemitic tropes.

International banking conspiracies

Media control

Just needs a cultural Marxism thrown in for the full house
Sorry, that facile shite doesn't wash with me. The financial system IS a scam and the Media do control the current narrative, whatever that may be, with no dissenting voices allowed.

Fuck all to do with Jews son.
So now we have all governments, the entire financial system and the Media being controlled, but not even an inkling of who might be controlling them?
He doesn't want to dig any further because he knows what hell find. All the folk who've fed him this shite are antisemites.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Slick wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:08 pm
David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:05 pm
yermum wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 2:50 pm Just say it’s the Jews you are flirting so hard with the antisemitic tropes.

International banking conspiracies

Media control

Just needs a cultural Marxism thrown in for the full house
Sorry, that facile shite doesn't wash with me. The financial system IS a scam and the Media do control the current narrative, whatever that may be, with no dissenting voices allowed.

Fuck all to do with Jews son.
So now we have all governments, the entire financial system and the Media being controlled, but not even an inkling of who might be controlling them?
Where did I say all Governments are controlled?
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Biffer wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:22 pm
Slick wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:08 pm
David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:05 pm

Sorry, that facile shite doesn't wash with me. The financial system IS a scam and the Media do control the current narrative, whatever that may be, with no dissenting voices allowed.

Fuck all to do with Jews son.
So now we have all governments, the entire financial system and the Media being controlled, but not even an inkling of who might be controlling them?
He doesn't want to dig any further because he knows what hell find. All the folk who've fed him this shite are antisemites.
LOL.

A group of people pull the Geo-political strings, I doubt very much it's a cabal of Jews sat around, stroking their beards.
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Are they the ones that changed the colour of cheese and onion crisps? I'm still reeling from that, I may even have PTSD
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David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:37 pm
Biffer wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:22 pm
Slick wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:08 pm

So now we have all governments, the entire financial system and the Media being controlled, but not even an inkling of who might be controlling them?
He doesn't want to dig any further because he knows what hell find. All the folk who've fed him this shite are antisemites.
LOL.

A group of people pull the Geo-political strings, I doubt very much it's a cabal of Jews sat around, stroking their beards.
Guarantee you the folk who've served you up this shite online think it is.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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It's the Committee of 300 :lolno:
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David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:25 pm
Slick wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:08 pm
David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:05 pm

Sorry, that facile shite doesn't wash with me. The financial system IS a scam and the Media do control the current narrative, whatever that may be, with no dissenting voices allowed.

Fuck all to do with Jews son.
So now we have all governments, the entire financial system and the Media being controlled, but not even an inkling of who might be controlling them?
Where did I say all Governments are controlled?
*sigh* - OK, can you give a list of the ones that are? I think we had USA and UK from the start of this loonathon, but are there others? Not Russia, obvs.
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Biffer wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:53 pm
David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:37 pm
Biffer wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:22 pm

He doesn't want to dig any further because he knows what hell find. All the folk who've fed him this shite are antisemites.
LOL.

A group of people pull the Geo-political strings, I doubt very much it's a cabal of Jews sat around, stroking their beards.
Guarantee you the folk who've served you up this shite online think it is.
You need to stop thinking this way. The Documentary "Zeitgeist" sent me down the rabbit hole - nothing to do with Jews, nothing to do with Anti-semites and more to do with realising that Global Pharmaceutical Companies have no interest in making people healthy and realising that the human race is divided and kept at an almost constant state of war - on purpose.

You dismissing everything as "anti-semetic" is as boring as it is untrue.
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Biffer wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 10:59 am
David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 10:44 am
Biffer wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 10:40 am

Yes, you are.

As is fairly obvious.
so the Iraq war and it's consequences was just bad luck, right?
No, it was badly planned, badly thought out idea executed by people who believed things that weren't true and were subject to massive doses of confirmation bias. That doesn't mean there was a plan behind it that's all super secret.

All it means is that you're desperate for there to be a reason behind it, otherwise the world is just chaos, with no meaning and no purpose. Conspiracy theories are a result of the human condition, which means we long for there to be a reason for shit things happening, for there to be someone in control. That's where religion comes from in part as well. It's also a result of us being pattern completers and looking for things that aren't actually there to explain things and put structure round the world.
That's true but also generous. It's also about finding excuses rather than taking responsibility. In the UK there was a large multi year nationalist project called Brexit. Before that there was austerity. And throughout both there were other projects around immigration, "hostile environment", "Australian points based immigration system", "Rwanda scheme", etc. This was all justified as being the "will of the people" and democratic, no lizard people in sight whilst all that was popular.

It's all turned out to be a total failure, a shambolic shit show. There now needs to be someone to blame. DAC has already said he thinks Brexit has been betrayed and isn't what people voted for.

That's why we're seeing right wing conspiracies go into overdrive. This can be seen in mainstream outlets. The Telegraph regularly has ranting columns on "woke" institutions, the civil service being controlled by the left, the IMF scuttling Truss and being a left wing organisation, Brexit being betrayed by everyone and every thing.

The truth is people like DAC got everything they wanted and voted for.
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_Os_ wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:09 pm
Biffer wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 10:59 am
David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 10:44 am

so the Iraq war and it's consequences was just bad luck, right?
No, it was badly planned, badly thought out idea executed by people who believed things that weren't true and were subject to massive doses of confirmation bias. That doesn't mean there was a plan behind it that's all super secret.

All it means is that you're desperate for there to be a reason behind it, otherwise the world is just chaos, with no meaning and no purpose. Conspiracy theories are a result of the human condition, which means we long for there to be a reason for shit things happening, for there to be someone in control. That's where religion comes from in part as well. It's also a result of us being pattern completers and looking for things that aren't actually there to explain things and put structure round the world.
That's true but also generous. It's also about finding excuses rather than taking responsibility. In the UK there was a large multi year nationalist project called Brexit. Before that there was austerity. And throughout both there were other projects around immigration, "hostile environment", "Australian points based immigration system", "Rwanda scheme", etc. This was all justified as being the "will of the people" and democratic, no lizard people in sight whilst all that was popular.

It's all turned out to be a total failure, a shambolic shit show. There now needs to be someone to blame. DAC has already said he thinks Brexit has been betrayed and isn't what people voted for.

That's why we're seeing right wing conspiracies go into overdrive. This can be seen in mainstream outlets. The Telegraph regularly has ranting columns on "woke" institutions, the civil service being controlled by the left, the IMF scuttling Truss and being a left wing organisation, Brexit being betrayed by everyone and every thing.

The truth is people like DAC got everything they wanted and voted for.
LOL.

Still butt hurt about Brexit. I love it.

However, I used to think that Brexit was a victory against the "Cabal/Elites/Globalists" it was two fingers up at them.

I now think it was very much done on purpose. I mean, look how deranged this chap still is, look at how much hate he still harbours.
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If I haven't realised it and OS is in fact a bored caricature like Refry then I apologise.
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David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:14 pm
_Os_ wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:09 pm
Biffer wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 10:59 am

No, it was badly planned, badly thought out idea executed by people who believed things that weren't true and were subject to massive doses of confirmation bias. That doesn't mean there was a plan behind it that's all super secret.

All it means is that you're desperate for there to be a reason behind it, otherwise the world is just chaos, with no meaning and no purpose. Conspiracy theories are a result of the human condition, which means we long for there to be a reason for shit things happening, for there to be someone in control. That's where religion comes from in part as well. It's also a result of us being pattern completers and looking for things that aren't actually there to explain things and put structure round the world.
That's true but also generous. It's also about finding excuses rather than taking responsibility. In the UK there was a large multi year nationalist project called Brexit. Before that there was austerity. And throughout both there were other projects around immigration, "hostile environment", "Australian points based immigration system", "Rwanda scheme", etc. This was all justified as being the "will of the people" and democratic, no lizard people in sight whilst all that was popular.

It's all turned out to be a total failure, a shambolic shit show. There now needs to be someone to blame. DAC has already said he thinks Brexit has been betrayed and isn't what people voted for.

That's why we're seeing right wing conspiracies go into overdrive. This can be seen in mainstream outlets. The Telegraph regularly has ranting columns on "woke" institutions, the civil service being controlled by the left, the IMF scuttling Truss and being a left wing organisation, Brexit being betrayed by everyone and every thing.

The truth is people like DAC got everything they wanted and voted for.
LOL.

Still butt hurt about Brexit. I love it.

However, I used to think that Brexit was a victory against the "Cabal/Elites" it was two fingers up at them.

I now think it was very much done on purpose. I mean, look how deranged this chap still is, look at how much hate he still harbours.
You cannot support stuff a government does, voting for it happen yourself, dismissing those that call it out as shit. Then a few years down the road throw your hands up and say "it was the lizard men which did it!". No, it was people like you. Unless you are admitting to being a lizard man?

The biggest mistake the Tories ever made in their history was listening to people like you and trying to win the votes of people like you. Absolutely nothing will ever make you happy.
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David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:14 pm
_Os_ wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:09 pm
Biffer wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 10:59 am

No, it was badly planned, badly thought out idea executed by people who believed things that weren't true and were subject to massive doses of confirmation bias. That doesn't mean there was a plan behind it that's all super secret.

All it means is that you're desperate for there to be a reason behind it, otherwise the world is just chaos, with no meaning and no purpose. Conspiracy theories are a result of the human condition, which means we long for there to be a reason for shit things happening, for there to be someone in control. That's where religion comes from in part as well. It's also a result of us being pattern completers and looking for things that aren't actually there to explain things and put structure round the world.
That's true but also generous. It's also about finding excuses rather than taking responsibility. In the UK there was a large multi year nationalist project called Brexit. Before that there was austerity. And throughout both there were other projects around immigration, "hostile environment", "Australian points based immigration system", "Rwanda scheme", etc. This was all justified as being the "will of the people" and democratic, no lizard people in sight whilst all that was popular.

It's all turned out to be a total failure, a shambolic shit show. There now needs to be someone to blame. DAC has already said he thinks Brexit has been betrayed and isn't what people voted for.

That's why we're seeing right wing conspiracies go into overdrive. This can be seen in mainstream outlets. The Telegraph regularly has ranting columns on "woke" institutions, the civil service being controlled by the left, the IMF scuttling Truss and being a left wing organisation, Brexit being betrayed by everyone and every thing.

The truth is people like DAC got everything they wanted and voted for.
LOL.

Still butt hurt about Brexit. I love it.

However, I used to think that Brexit was a victory against the "Cabal/Elites/Globalists" it was two fingers up at them.

I now think it was very much done on purpose. I mean, look how deranged this chap still is, look at how much hate he still harbours.
Oh, so you were fooled by them?
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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_Os_ wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:20 pm
David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:14 pm
_Os_ wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:09 pm
That's true but also generous. It's also about finding excuses rather than taking responsibility. In the UK there was a large multi year nationalist project called Brexit. Before that there was austerity. And throughout both there were other projects around immigration, "hostile environment", "Australian points based immigration system", "Rwanda scheme", etc. This was all justified as being the "will of the people" and democratic, no lizard people in sight whilst all that was popular.

It's all turned out to be a total failure, a shambolic shit show. There now needs to be someone to blame. DAC has already said he thinks Brexit has been betrayed and isn't what people voted for.

That's why we're seeing right wing conspiracies go into overdrive. This can be seen in mainstream outlets. The Telegraph regularly has ranting columns on "woke" institutions, the civil service being controlled by the left, the IMF scuttling Truss and being a left wing organisation, Brexit being betrayed by everyone and every thing.

The truth is people like DAC got everything they wanted and voted for.
LOL.

Still butt hurt about Brexit. I love it.

However, I used to think that Brexit was a victory against the "Cabal/Elites" it was two fingers up at them.

I now think it was very much done on purpose. I mean, look how deranged this chap still is, look at how much hate he still harbours.
You cannot support stuff a government does, voting for it happen yourself, dismissing those that call it out as shit. Then a few years down the road throw your hands up and say "it was the lizard men which did it!". No, it was people like you. Unless you are admitting to being a lizard man?

The biggest mistake the Tories ever made in their history was listening to people like you and trying to win the votes of people like you. Absolutely nothing will ever make you happy.
Ah, so you are a caricature, I see.
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Biffer wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:22 pm
David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:14 pm
_Os_ wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:09 pm
That's true but also generous. It's also about finding excuses rather than taking responsibility. In the UK there was a large multi year nationalist project called Brexit. Before that there was austerity. And throughout both there were other projects around immigration, "hostile environment", "Australian points based immigration system", "Rwanda scheme", etc. This was all justified as being the "will of the people" and democratic, no lizard people in sight whilst all that was popular.

It's all turned out to be a total failure, a shambolic shit show. There now needs to be someone to blame. DAC has already said he thinks Brexit has been betrayed and isn't what people voted for.

That's why we're seeing right wing conspiracies go into overdrive. This can be seen in mainstream outlets. The Telegraph regularly has ranting columns on "woke" institutions, the civil service being controlled by the left, the IMF scuttling Truss and being a left wing organisation, Brexit being betrayed by everyone and every thing.

The truth is people like DAC got everything they wanted and voted for.
LOL.

Still butt hurt about Brexit. I love it.

However, I used to think that Brexit was a victory against the "Cabal/Elites/Globalists" it was two fingers up at them.

I now think it was very much done on purpose. I mean, look how deranged this chap still is, look at how much hate he still harbours.
Oh, so you were fooled by them?
Everyone is fooled, all of the time.
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David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:31 pm Everyone is fooled, all of the time.
You need to start learning how to take responsibility for your actions.

Quite odd that the winners of the last 14 years, the people who got everything they wanted and rubbed it in the faces of those they beat. Absolutely refuse to take full and total responsibility for their victory. Why would that be I wonder?
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_Os_ wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:38 pm
David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:31 pm Everyone is fooled, all of the time.
You need to start learning how to take responsibility for your actions.

Quite odd that the winners of the last 14 years, the people who got everything they wanted and rubbed it in the faces of those they beat. Absolutely refuse to take full and total responsibility for their victory. Why would that be I wonder?
I honestly have no clue what the fuck you're talking about, seriously. Stress is closely related to a lost of serious health conditions, ease springs or at least have a lemsip.
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Why are you all still answering this fuckwit?

It's okay to chuck a ball for him to run after once or twice, but come on.

He's only looking for a reaction, no one can seriously believe the shite he is purporting to believe, it's an attempt at trolling the bored, it couldn't fit the definition any more precisely.
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Tichtheid wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:43 pm Why are you all still answering this fuckwit?

It's okay to chuck a ball for him to run after once or twice, but come on.

He's only looking for a reaction, no one can seriously believe the shite he is purporting to believe, it's an attempt at trolling the bored, it couldn't fit the definition any more precisely.
Shite I am purporting to believe:

A group pull the global Geo-political strings
The banking system is a scam
Big Pharma has no interest in making you healthy.
No Jews were involved in the making of this post.

It's hardly a troll.
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David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:40 pm
_Os_ wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:38 pm
David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:31 pm Everyone is fooled, all of the time.
You need to start learning how to take responsibility for your actions.

Quite odd that the winners of the last 14 years, the people who got everything they wanted and rubbed it in the faces of those they beat. Absolutely refuse to take full and total responsibility for their victory. Why would that be I wonder?
I honestly have no clue what the fuck you're talking about, seriously. Stress is closely related to a lost of serious health conditions, ease springs or at least have a lemsip.
I'll break it down into simple sentences. You voted for Brexit. You voted for the Tories and Johnson.

You have everything you wanted. Congratulations you won. Stop behaving like a loser by blaming others and hiding behind conspiracies.
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Tichtheid wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:43 pm Why are you all still answering this fuckwit?

It's okay to chuck a ball for him to run after once or twice, but come on.

He's only looking for a reaction, no one can seriously believe the shite he is purporting to believe, it's an attempt at trolling the bored, it couldn't fit the definition any more precisely.
This ... remember arguing with idiots is like trying to play chess with a pigeon!
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yermum wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 12:36 pm Look we are dancing around the topic here we all know it was designed by the rothschilds and the elders of Zion.
Well, we got some decent wine and MLT sandwiches, which are great when the mutton is nice and lean and the tomato is ripe. They're so perky.
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FT reporter, so not just speculation of some random...

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tabascoboy wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 8:39 pm FT reporter, so not just speculation of some random...

2 in 2 weeks, Streeting briefing that they're holding discussions with more, party morale and discipline perenially on the decline - it's definitely something that can't be ruled out. For all that there is legitimate criticism to make over accepting Elphicke, the psychological blow of her defection hot on the heels of Poulter and the way it's going to play on the minds of remaining Tories is certainly an upside.
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Personally I'd be asking any potential defectors where they've been for the last fourteen years through all they've done to the UK, (I started listing the failures and the deceit and the corruption, but decided it would be too long a post)

By all means desert the sinking ship, but sit as an independent on the opposition benches
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Tichtheid wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 6:52 am Personally I'd be asking any potential defectors where they've been for the last fourteen years through all they've done to the UK, (I started listing the failures and the deceit and the corruption, but decided it would be too long a post)

By all means desert the sinking ship, but sit as an independent on the opposition benches
I do agree with you wholeheartedly, I think the values of parties as a whole and individual politicians should matter. Clearly the Labour leadership have decided political expediency and spectacle is a bit more important

Yesterday the Unions met with Labour over the New Deal for workers and seem to have brow beaten them into returning to a prior version that had been agreed, rather than the recently leaked one that watered down proposals.

It would certainly be interesting to see how any defectors have voted recently in relation to strike -busting bills.
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sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 9:16 am
Tichtheid wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 6:52 am Personally I'd be asking any potential defectors where they've been for the last fourteen years through all they've done to the UK, (I started listing the failures and the deceit and the corruption, but decided it would be too long a post)

By all means desert the sinking ship, but sit as an independent on the opposition benches
I do agree with you wholeheartedly, I think the values of parties as a whole and individual politicians should matter. Clearly the Labour leadership have decided political expediency and spectacle is a bit more important

Yesterday the Unions met with Labour over the New Deal for workers and seem to have brow beaten them into returning to a prior version that had been agreed, rather than the recently leaked one that watered down proposals.

It would certainly be interesting to see how any defectors have voted recently in relation to strike -busting bills.
Starmer holding his nose on these defections but has calculated the means justifies the end! The likes of Elphicke will disappear quickly into the ether after the GE and she will be forgotten however if it speeds up and makes more certain a Tory defeat in a GE then it might be a price worth paying?

This GE is going to get lower and even dirtier, the attack on Rayner and her ex council house sale over a decade ago is just the start! Tory attack dog MP on BBC R5 is just now referencing something that Starmer wrote about racist immigration policies in an academic law book from 1988 FFS! Nicky Campbell deals with it wonderfully well and refers to his degree dissertation written on Oswald Mosely and hopes that doesnt get out!!! Tories are digging very very deep to try and find dirt and they won't be slow in using anything they find.

They are also using culture war type issues to try and create divides, despite any damage it might do. The latest immigration figures suggest that the NHS and Care sector are heading to a real even bigger disaster due to new immigration requirements and the collapse of foreign workers in these sectors coming to the UK. Their latest 'wheeze' being sex education, including transgender issues, in primary school despite there being no evidence that there is any issues or problems that need resolved, in fact the evidence suggests that it is being handled very appropriately! Girl identifying as a cat will no doubt raise its head again? Feckin bastards!
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Feckin bastards indeed. No substance to anything
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All the good work by the Tories in the justice department paying off!
Another pillar of the state slowly but surely crumbling away
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SaintK wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 10:30 am All the good work by the Tories in the justice department paying off!
Another pillar of the state slowly but surely crumbling away
It's almost like these things actually need MORE money to function correctly. :think:
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I see s. 28 ver 2.0 is on the cards with the new sex education guidelines, which are the usual batshit culture war lunacy, and will just drive kids to shit places to fund our about sex, gender and porn.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 10:52 am I see s. 28 ver 2.0 is on the cards with the new sex education guidelines, which are the usual batshit culture war lunacy, and will just drive kids to shit places to fund our about sex, gender and porn.
You can tell its a shit policy as they had to wheel out Chris Philp, who seems more than happy to shamelessly lie for the Tories on any topic, to justify it
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Hal Jordan wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 10:52 am I see s. 28 ver 2.0 is on the cards with the new sex education guidelines, which are the usual batshit culture war lunacy, and will just drive kids to shit places to fund our about sex, gender and porn.
100%, complete bollocks
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_Os_ wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:57 pm
David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:40 pm
_Os_ wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:38 pm
You need to start learning how to take responsibility for your actions.

Quite odd that the winners of the last 14 years, the people who got everything they wanted and rubbed it in the faces of those they beat. Absolutely refuse to take full and total responsibility for their victory. Why would that be I wonder?
I honestly have no clue what the fuck you're talking about, seriously. Stress is closely related to a lost of serious health conditions, ease springs or at least have a lemsip.
I'll break it down into simple sentences. You voted for Brexit. You voted for the Tories and Johnson.

You have everything you wanted. Congratulations you won. Stop behaving like a loser by blaming others and hiding behind conspiracies.
Fun fact, I never actually voted for Brexit, I was in Centre Parcs and awoke to the missus in tears about us leaving the EU, god it was funny but I guess you had to be there.
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dpedin wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 9:46 am
sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 9:16 am
Tichtheid wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 6:52 am Personally I'd be asking any potential defectors where they've been for the last fourteen years through all they've done to the UK, (I started listing the failures and the deceit and the corruption, but decided it would be too long a post)

By all means desert the sinking ship, but sit as an independent on the opposition benches
I do agree with you wholeheartedly, I think the values of parties as a whole and individual politicians should matter. Clearly the Labour leadership have decided political expediency and spectacle is a bit more important

Yesterday the Unions met with Labour over the New Deal for workers and seem to have brow beaten them into returning to a prior version that had been agreed, rather than the recently leaked one that watered down proposals.

It would certainly be interesting to see how any defectors have voted recently in relation to strike -busting bills.
Starmer holding his nose on these defections but has calculated the means justifies the end! The likes of Elphicke will disappear quickly into the ether after the GE and she will be forgotten however if it speeds up and makes more certain a Tory defeat in a GE then it might be a price worth paying?

This GE is going to get lower and even dirtier, the attack on Rayner and her ex council house sale over a decade ago is just the start! Tory attack dog MP on BBC R5 is just now referencing something that Starmer wrote about racist immigration policies in an academic law book from 1988 FFS! Nicky Campbell deals with it wonderfully well and refers to his degree dissertation written on Oswald Mosely and hopes that doesnt get out!!! Tories are digging very very deep to try and find dirt and they won't be slow in using anything they find.

They are also using culture war type issues to try and create divides, despite any damage it might do. The latest immigration figures suggest that the NHS and Care sector are heading to a real even bigger disaster due to new immigration requirements and the collapse of foreign workers in these sectors coming to the UK. Their latest 'wheeze' being sex education, including transgender issues, in primary school despite there being no evidence that there is any issues or problems that need resolved, in fact the evidence suggests that it is being handled very appropriately! Girl identifying as a cat will no doubt raise its head again? Feckin bastards!
A lot of guff there backed up with you saying "evidence" but you haven't provided any evidence.

Here's some evidence:

https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-informa ... nuary-2024
All NHS Hospital & Community Health Service (HCHS) staff - 1,499,368 Headcount in January 2024. This is 5.4% (76,319) more than in January 2023
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Hal Jordan wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 10:52 am I see s. 28 ver 2.0 is on the cards with the new sex education guidelines, which are the usual batshit culture war lunacy, and will just drive kids to shit places to fund our about sex, gender and porn.
What did kids do in the 70s, 80s and 90s? We had a biology lesson and watched "hairy bobbing man arse porn on VHS" - and those generations are almost all acceptant of today's "him/her she/them zee/zem" people. There was no need for explicit sex education and we didn't care about genders because we didn't know we needed too.

Telling very young children that they might not be who they think they are and that it's a sure fire way to get attention is actually batshit crazy, verging on evil. I'm guessing you don't have kids.
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David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 11:49 am
Hal Jordan wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 10:52 am I see s. 28 ver 2.0 is on the cards with the new sex education guidelines, which are the usual batshit culture war lunacy, and will just drive kids to shit places to fund our about sex, gender and porn.
What did kids do in the 70s, 80s and 90s? We had a biology lesson and watched "hairy bobbing man arse porn on VHS" - and those generations are almost all acceptant of today's "him/her she/them zee/zem" people. There was no need for explicit sex education and we didn't care about genders because we didn't know we needed too.

Telling very young children that they might not be who they think they are and that it's a sure fire way to get attention is actually batshit crazy, verging on evil. I'm guessing you don't have kids.
I don't normally dignify your drivel with a response, but once again, just like the majority of the shit you fling at the bored, your guess is entirely wrong. I have a daughter aged 13 and a son aged 10 and so they are right in the middle.of this EVIL.

Although now I have a son aged 13 and a daughter aged 10, so maybe all this genderbending trannie propaganda has had some effect.
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No sex education at 9, full-blown transexual sex video instruction in 4K from 10 years old in school.
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