The Rugby Championship - Round 1

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Enzedder wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 5:43 pm
ASMO wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:10 am
Kiwias wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 8:53 am

Gus seems to view it differently to you guys. I wonder who is more likely to know the laws.
Feel free to read the laws yourself

https://passport.world.rugby/media/j5se ... ess_en.pdf
Reminds me of when Brodie Retallick's cheek bone was smashed and Wayne Barnes called it a soak tackle. So, lets also call this a soak tackle
So the kiwi attitude is if a wrong decision has been made before we should just keep making it Iver and Iver again regardless of safety?

Cool man, cool.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Biffer wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 11:57 am When I watch New Zealand there seems to be something about these players where they expect to be as good a team as previous NZ sides, without putting in the work to get to that level. They think they're as good individually as previous teams (some of them may well be) but they're nowhere near in terms of being a team. And they don't seem to understand the level of work previous teams put into achieving that.
I got a massage from a mate who takes no part in online chat like this place. He was saying that only one side played with passion for their country last night and the other played for their pay cheque. I prefer the playing like millionaires phrase, myself.

When you spend the best part of ten years under two coaches setting players up to be bigger than the team, you get players who...act like they're bigger than the team. Players who are granted the opportunity to play overseas on sabbatical coming back and calling the shots straightaway.

I hear repeated massaging about the onfield leadership qualities that Beauden Barrett (it's compulsory to say both of his names every time you refer to him in NZ) brings to the team and I look at last night's game with a jaundiced eye. Firstly, there were two penalties taken early where they kicked for the line instead of the points. On the 3rd call, Ardie made a swift motion to the ref that they'd take the shot. He's the captain... why didn't he make that same swift decision forst up? Was he having 'discussions' with his other onfield leaders?

Why did Two names both mentioned and Sevu Reece both go up for a high ball and tap it back, for the Argie to snaffle and sprint for a try?

Why was two names always mentioned caught out of position in defense... in nearly every test he plays at 15?

Why do people think Damian MacKenzie is a test 10?

Why don't we talk about how often Jordie Barrett (note the use of two names) drops the ball in contact. He did it several times last night. He does a good job of running fast into people, he just doesn't always hold onto the ball.

TJ looked cooked. He was read too easily because he was rinsing and repeating his play too often. Love him like a brother, but it might be time. He cost us dearly early in that game and then they had momentum.


I think Razor is caught between the Devil and the deep blue sea. He wants to evolve this team and get them playing a new style and the talk early was that it was hard to the players who were going back to school in a sense to learn new terms, forms and themes. Coupled with that is the need to keep things stable, maintain some experience in the team. Your problem with some of that experiences is that they picked up a lot of shitty habits and attitude under the last two head coaches and it's getting in the way now.

How much does he clear out? Last night's game provides some excuses. Findlay Christie was surpassed through selection. There are players waiting in the wings for a shot. Sam Darry and Tupou Vaa'i did a sterling job last night as the world fretted over their inexperience. ALB shone at 13... been a while since we noticed the 13 jersey being prominent in a test. Sititi has power off the back of the scrum, is it time to start him at 8 and play Ardie at 7. Take your pick then for who plays 6... Sam Cane was water boy last night, you could never accuse him of playing for his pay packet. He's got to be in the mix for a start.
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Biffer wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 7:47 pm
Enzedder wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 5:43 pm
ASMO wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:10 am

Feel free to read the laws yourself

https://passport.world.rugby/media/j5se ... ess_en.pdf
Reminds me of when Brodie Retallick's cheek bone was smashed and Wayne Barnes called it a soak tackle. So, lets also call this a soak tackle
So the kiwi attitude is if a wrong decision has been made before we should just keep making it Iver and Iver again regardless of safety?

Cool man, cool.
No, it's not. You're oversimplying for the sake of point scoring and you're getting it wrong. The refs were scratching their head over the TMO call and two of those refs were Aussies. I didn't recognise the bald bearded chap but he was, like them a bit mystified. They awarded a penalty. They agreed it wasn't a card.

There is mitigation. The player dipped into contact and a third player was already in the act of tackling. All of that was considered BY THE REFS and a penalty was given.

It's galling, as a SH fan, to have NH fans wade in and start pointing fingers at incidents like this along with broad sweeping statements when we see the same inconsistencies (if that's what this is) occur in the NH games regularly. We are still to have an adequate explanation given for the unique phenomenon surrounding Owen Farrell and his arms in a tackle, not to mention the ongoing exocet missile techiques at breakdowns.
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I think we should stick with DMac at 10 through the Rugby Championship. He didn't cost us the game last night, and he simply can't grow into the role without a decent amount of time in the saddle.

Something's out of whack with the loose forward combination. Still not sold on Papali'i or Blackadder tbh. They're not playing badly as individuals, but the combined effort just seems to lack the necessary impact. I don't know what the answer is, but maybe they need to move Ardie back to 7 and try rebuilding things from there...
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Gumboot wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 10:33 pm I think we should stick with DMac at 10 through the Rugby Championship. He didn't cost us the game last night, and he simply can't grow into the role without a decent amount of time in the saddle.

Something's out of whack with the loose forward combination. Still not sold on Papali'i or Blackadder tbh. They're not playing badly as individuals, but the combined effort just seems to lack the necessary impact. I don't know what the answer is, but maybe they need to move Ardie back to 7 and try rebuilding things from there...
Ardie at seven, Sititi at 8 and Finua (or some other big bastard) at 6...

But more than that... the team has to play how they have been trained...as Razor keeps saying.. they are not playing how they train. So why is that? It's up to the coaches to sort that out... once they are playing well... and losing the odd game, then you can look and see if new personnel can take them to the next step....
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Biffer wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 7:47 pm
Enzedder wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 5:43 pm
ASMO wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:10 am

Feel free to read the laws yourself

https://passport.world.rugby/media/j5se ... ess_en.pdf
Reminds me of when Brodie Retallick's cheek bone was smashed and Wayne Barnes called it a soak tackle. So, lets also call this a soak tackle
So the kiwi attitude is if a wrong decision has been made before we should just keep making it Iver and Iver again regardless of safety?

Cool man, cool.
In the world cup that's a yellow with risk of it being a red... there was a head to head just before the shoulder to head as well... so he nutted him twice...

I quite like this guy.. a Kiwi.. he's young, but usually sees games how I do... and he is incredulous over Blackadder not being carded...

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Gumboot wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 7:18 pm Still feeling a bit shell-shocked this morning tbh. How did we botch that so badly? Towards the end it was just amateur hour rubbish. Something's well off. Can't see us getting close to SA at this rate.
Feeling about the same, though those 3 Olympic golds are easing the pain somewhat :thumbup:

Got to say well done Los Pumas, they out All Blacked the Blackness :eek: Seriously there were players out there for the ABs that should be sent back to the NPC before next weekend's installment in extinguishing the light at the end of the tunnel. Still have a lot of faith in Robertson fixing the ship, though have to say it is going to take a lot longer than I had thought.

Spare a moment for those of us in Oz, ouch!!!! The Bokke are looking nigh on unbeatable at this stage, if anything the Wobs are looking worse than last year's shambles. The damage done to grass roots rugby in Oz is really starting to show imho.

Brisbane apparently being renamed Bris-fontein for the next few years, clearly the Saffa immigrants didn't get the measure about Oz being full :wtf:
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Don't forget Ireland beat SA just a few weeks ago... so not unbeatable...

Wallabies will be much better next week.
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Biffer wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 7:47 pm
Enzedder wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 5:43 pm
ASMO wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:10 am

Feel free to read the laws yourself

https://passport.world.rugby/media/j5se ... ess_en.pdf
Reminds me of when Brodie Retallick's cheek bone was smashed and Wayne Barnes called it a soak tackle. So, lets also call this a soak tackle
So the kiwi attitude is if a wrong decision has been made before we should just keep making it Iver and Iver again regardless of safety?

Cool man, cool.


That "tackle" should have started at red card. The Argie went lowish, a perfectly normal action from a ball carrier, and instead of dropping to meet it, Blackadder actually goes higher, first point of contact is head on head, then his shoulder smashes into the Argies head. If there was a text book video that showed the type of dangerous tackle we want out of our game, this was it. And Angus bottled it.
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Marx gets yellow: https://wwos.nine.com.au/videos/rugby/r ... q79i287guq


Angus Gardner can't see anything wrong: https://www.theroar.com.au/rugby-union/ ... y-1373511/


Angus was shown replay after replay with multiple angles and still couldn't see anything wrong. He had to get talked into just awarding a penalty. Joke.
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Clearly a conspiracy against the Boks.

Best circle up, eh?
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Biffer wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:32 pm
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 2:44 pm
It's Soup rugby. They miss us. The basics of 1st phases, scrumming, lineouts, workrate.
It's not always about " us " ouboet.
Glad you said it before I did.
Not about us. It's about the basic rules of rugby. The URC ask for good scrums, lineouts and hard working forwards. Any SA franchise scrum is better then the Wallabies scrum. It spit out youngsters like BJD and Elrich Louw.
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I only managed the highlights. Hoping to watch the full match soon.
What struck me was the one highlight where the the Argentinian side was attacking the ABs tryline. All I could see was Mckenzie shuffling away from the contact zone behind the posts to make sure he didn't have to tackle. I have never seen an ABs number 10 so afraid before. I tried hard to think nah
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I’ve thought for a while that Australian referees, pundits etc are out of step with the rest of the world. (think I recall Nic Berry doing similar in similar circumstances)

I suspect it’s because there’s a paranoia about the state of the game in Aus with NRL et al and they feel the need to downplay any negative event/ aspect (including danger) and overplay the positives.
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Sards wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 8:50 amAll I could see was Mckenzie shuffling away from the contact zone behind the posts to make sure he didn't have to tackle. I have never seen an ABs number 10 so afraid before. I tried hard to think nah
DMac is a very gutsy defender who's never been afraid to take on much bigger opponents. So, nah.
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Gumboot wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:26 am
Sards wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 8:50 amAll I could see was Mckenzie shuffling away from the contact zone behind the posts to make sure he didn't have to tackle. I have never seen an ABs number 10 so afraid before. I tried hard to think nah
DMac is a very gutsy defender who's never been afraid to take on much bigger opponents. So, nah.
Sards is trolling. Must be. I mean, surely even Sards would understand the need to spread and cover the defense... on the fucking goal line.


Surely... right?
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Guy Smiley wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:32 am
Gumboot wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:26 am
Sards wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 8:50 amAll I could see was Mckenzie shuffling away from the contact zone behind the posts to make sure he didn't have to tackle. I have never seen an ABs number 10 so afraid before. I tried hard to think nah
DMac is a very gutsy defender who's never been afraid to take on much bigger opponents. So, nah.
Sards is trolling. Must be. I mean, surely even Sards would understand the need to spread and cover the defense... on the fucking goal line.


Surely... right?
It’s tough to understand rugby when you only watch 2 mins of Facebook highlights a week. :sad:
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Sandstorm wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:37 am
Guy Smiley wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:32 am
Gumboot wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:26 am

DMac is a very gutsy defender who's never been afraid to take on much bigger opponents. So, nah.
Sards is trolling. Must be. I mean, surely even Sards would understand the need to spread and cover the defense... on the fucking goal line.


Surely... right?
It’s tough to understand rugby when you only watch 2 mins of Facebook highlights a week. :sad:
Get two tattoos, understand forward play
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Clogs wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 12:56 am Marx gets yellow: https://wwos.nine.com.au/videos/rugby/r ... q79i287guq


Angus Gardner can't see anything wrong: https://www.theroar.com.au/rugby-union/ ... y-1373511/


Angus was shown replay after replay with multiple angles and still couldn't see anything wrong. He had to get talked into just awarding a penalty. Joke.
Yeah Gardner was very soft on the head contact, should have been a yellow at least considering how similar incidents have been treated over the last few years, More than 90% received either a yellow or red.

The other thing about the reffing of the 2 games were related to the breakdowns and so-called new initiative to speed up the game. In the Aus-SA game the ref called "use it" almost as soon as the ball touched the ground. In the NZ-Arg game, Gardner would give the 9's all the time in the world to plan their next move before calling "use it" He himself slowed down the game at breakdowns compared to the other game.
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bok_viking wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 12:50 pm
Clogs wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 12:56 am Marx gets yellow: https://wwos.nine.com.au/videos/rugby/r ... q79i287guq


Angus Gardner can't see anything wrong: https://www.theroar.com.au/rugby-union/ ... y-1373511/


Angus was shown replay after replay with multiple angles and still couldn't see anything wrong. He had to get talked into just awarding a penalty. Joke.
Yeah Gardner was very soft on the head contact, should have been a yellow at least considering how similar incidents have been treated over the last few years, More than 90% received either a yellow or red.

The other thing about the reffing of the 2 games were related to the breakdowns and so-called new initiative to speed up the game. In the Aus-SA game the ref called "use it" almost as soon as the ball touched the ground. In the NZ-Arg game, Gardner would give the 9's all the time in the world to plan their next move before calling "use it" He himself slowed down the game at breakdowns compared to the other game.
We learned from the URC and CC , when there is head contact, its a card. Lucky if its only a penalty.
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Sandstorm wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:37 am
Guy Smiley wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:32 am
Gumboot wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:26 am

DMac is a very gutsy defender who's never been afraid to take on much bigger opponents. So, nah.
Sards is trolling. Must be. I mean, surely even Sards would understand the need to spread and cover the defense... on the fucking goal line.


Surely... right?
It’s tough to understand rugby when you only watch 2 mins of Facebook highlights a week. :sad:
That's true.
I will wait for the full match
I just cannot unsee what I saw.
Our centre's will love running at him
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Sinkers wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:19 am I’ve thought for a while that Australian referees, pundits etc are out of step with the rest of the world. (think I recall Nic Berry doing similar in similar circumstances)

I suspect it’s because there’s a paranoia about the state of the game in Aus with NRL et al and they feel the need to downplay any negative event/ aspect (including danger) and overplay the positives.
Yup. The aussies are terrified of looking soft next to NRL, and the league fuckwits really don't give a money's cock for player safety.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Sards wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 1:40 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:37 amIt’s tough to understand rugby when you only watch 2 mins of Facebook highlights a week. :sad:
That's true.
I will wait for the full match
I just cannot unsee what I saw.
Our centre's will love running at him
That's what those other super pundits Stuart Barnes and Greg Martin said about wee Aaron Cruden before the 2011 RWC SF against Australia.

"Too small for test footy", they said. "He'll be nothing more than a speed bump", they said. "Just watch him run for cover", they said.

Nek minnit...
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Sards wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 8:50 am I only managed the highlights. Hoping to watch the full match soon.
What struck me was the one highlight where the the Argentinian side was attacking the ABs tryline. All I could see was Mckenzie shuffling away from the contact zone behind the posts to make sure he didn't have to tackle. I have never seen an ABs number 10 so afraid before. I tried hard to think nah
What? DMac is by far the best tackling 10 we have for a while. If you see him shuffling sideways he is moving into defensive pattern. I would seriously doubt if there a breakdown etc near the goalposts that any 10's job would be standing under posts.
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With all the noise around the Springboks beating Australia comfortably and all the dick swinging that goes with it , I am surprised that noone is taking more notice of the Argentinians......They could very well win the whole thing....and drop RSA and NZ down the rankings

At least the Kiwis are congratulating the Argies in their usual sensible manner....good on you.
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Sards wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:24 am With all the noise around the Springboks beating Australia comfortably and all the dick swinging that goes with it , I am surprised that noone is taking more notice of the Argentinians......They could very well win the whole thing....and drop RSA and NZ down the rankings

At least the Kiwis are congratulating the Argies in their usual sensible manner....good on you.
Who is not taking notice of the Pumas? :wtf: They just beat the AB's in New Zealand for crying out loud. You know, the game you skipped and watched the "highlights" of. Most of us who did watch the game obviously took notice.
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LoveOfTheGame wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:28 am
Sards wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:24 am With all the noise around the Springboks beating Australia comfortably and all the dick swinging that goes with it , I am surprised that noone is taking more notice of the Argentinians......They could very well win the whole thing....and drop RSA and NZ down the rankings

At least the Kiwis are congratulating the Argies in their usual sensible manner....good on you.
Who is not taking notice of the Pumas? :wtf: They just beat the AB's in New Zealand for crying out loud. You know, the game you skipped and watched the "highlights" of. Most of us who did watch the game obviously took notice.
Why is it taking so long for the full match to load.......ja unfortunately shit happened Saturday morning and I missed the game.
Are we playing Argentina away?
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Sards wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:41 am
LoveOfTheGame wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:28 am
Sards wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:24 am With all the noise around the Springboks beating Australia comfortably and all the dick swinging that goes with it , I am surprised that noone is taking more notice of the Argentinians......They could very well win the whole thing....and drop RSA and NZ down the rankings

At least the Kiwis are congratulating the Argies in their usual sensible manner....good on you.
Who is not taking notice of the Pumas? :wtf: They just beat the AB's in New Zealand for crying out loud. You know, the game you skipped and watched the "highlights" of. Most of us who did watch the game obviously took notice.
Why is it taking so long for the full match to load.......ja unfortunately shit happened Saturday morning and I missed the game.
Are we playing Argentina away?
https://rugby24.net/

Here you can find full match replays, mostly right after the game has finished
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You'll have to excuse Sards, he's still learning about the game.
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Sards wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:41 am
LoveOfTheGame wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:28 am
Sards wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:24 am With all the noise around the Springboks beating Australia comfortably and all the dick swinging that goes with it , I am surprised that noone is taking more notice of the Argentinians......They could very well win the whole thing....and drop RSA and NZ down the rankings

At least the Kiwis are congratulating the Argies in their usual sensible manner....good on you.
Who is not taking notice of the Pumas? :wtf: They just beat the AB's in New Zealand for crying out loud. You know, the game you skipped and watched the "highlights" of. Most of us who did watch the game obviously took notice.
Why is it taking so long for the full match to load.......ja unfortunately shit happened Saturday morning and I missed the game.
Are we playing Argentina away?
Away and then home.
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boere wors wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:48 am
Sards wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:41 am
LoveOfTheGame wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:28 am
Who is not taking notice of the Pumas? :wtf: They just beat the AB's in New Zealand for crying out loud. You know, the game you skipped and watched the "highlights" of. Most of us who did watch the game obviously took notice.
Why is it taking so long for the full match to load.......ja unfortunately shit happened Saturday morning and I missed the game.
Are we playing Argentina away?
https://rugby24.net/

Here you can find full match replays, mostly right after the game has finished
Thanks
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Australia was slap honde kak. Welkom Gim would have been more competitive. Thats all I have to say.
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I'm still a bit shocked by what Kolbe did in this test, find myself thinking "he fed the ball into the scrum, threw the ball into the lineout, took the ball at flyhalf, was at the back to return kick, attempted a good drop goal from around halfway ... and played wing". Mind blowing, like a top high school XV player who is a ball hog, but in a test match, actually brilliant and all planned. :eek:

Always worth watching Swys video analysis, Vic excellent on the lineout too.

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