The Scottish Politics Thread

[Slick]

Scots travellers are treated differently, that’s some special made up othering there boys.

Are you Scottish?

[Bimbowomxn]

Scots travellers are treated differently, that’s some special made up othering there boys.

Are you Scottish?

If you’re not English you can’t make the assertion about better/worse ...

But hey “civic” nationalism is good.

[Biffer]

Don't engage the cunt, the only reason he posts on this thread is to deliberately try to stir it with people who disagree with him elsewhere. Stick him on ignore and leave him to wither.

[Bimbowomxn]

Don't engage the cunt, the only reason he posts on this thread is to deliberately try to stir it with people who disagree with him elsewhere. Stick him on ignore and leave him to wither.

Not at all I’m laughing at the grown men making comments about travelling and assuming some sort of national pride from it.

I don’t care if you put me on ignore, it just makes it easier to correct your nonsense .

[Slick]

Scots travellers are treated differently, that’s some special made up othering there boys.

Are you Scottish?

If you’re not English you can’t make the assertion about better/worse ...

But hey “civic” nationalism is good.

As if you actually engage with real people away from the internet

[Slick]

Don't engage the cunt, the only reason he posts on this thread is to deliberately try to stir it with people who disagree with him elsewhere. Stick him on ignore and leave him to wither.

Correct, apologies

[tc27]

[Slick]

Yup. Rest of Scotland has to shut at 6 and not sell booze

My holiday is still on though

[Bimbowomxn]

Are you Scottish?

If you’re not English you can’t make the assertion about better/worse ...

But hey “civic” nationalism is good.

As if you actually engage with real people away from the internet

As if people like you in person, :lol


Again another logic failure.

[Jock42]

Yup. Rest of Scotland has to shut at 6 and not sell booze

My holiday is still on though

Aye, apparently if COVID doesn't have a reservation at a hotel it won't get in to the bar

I feel for those on the hospitality industry. What is the script around their wages?

[walletoraccess]

Furlough is still in operation up to end of October but only at 60%
Employer will have to fund the other 20% + employers NI & Pension

[Jock42]

Furlough is still in operation up to end of October but only at 60%
Employer will have to fund the other 20% + employers NI & Pension

I thought once you'd come off furlough you couldn't go back on it?

[walletoraccess]

walletoraccess wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:40 pm
Furlough is still in operation up to end of October but only at 60%
Employer will have to fund the other 20% + employers NI & Pension
I thought once you'd come off furlough you couldn't go back on it?

You can - you can also do part time furlough - rules have been changing all the time , at the start there was a minimum 3 week period that you had to be on furlough

[Jock42]

walletoraccess wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:40 pm
Furlough is still in operation up to end of October but only at 60%
Employer will have to fund the other 20% + employers NI & Pension
I thought once you'd come off furlough you couldn't go back on it?

You can - you can also do part time furlough - rules have been changing all the time , at the start there was a minimum 3 week period that you had to be on furlough

Thats good. Or at least better than I thought.

[Biffer]

Furlough is still in operation up to end of October but only at 60%
Employer will have to fund the other 20% + employers NI & Pension

Also an additional £40million support to get through this period, detail tbc

[tc27]

Helpful timing today if you are cynical - its going to bury the latest Salmond enquiry revelations.

[Slick]

Furlough is still in operation up to end of October but only at 60%
Employer will have to fund the other 20% + employers NI & Pension

Also an additional £40million support to get through this period, detail tbc

Also asking WM for more cash. I got the impression the majority of that £40m was for company support rather than individual- although I suppose it will make its way down

[Northern Lights]

Yup. Rest of Scotland has to shut at 6 and not sell booze

My holiday is still on though

And you can only sell booze outdoors, in October, in Scotland - can't see many pints getting drunk myself.

£40m won't even touch the sides, woefully inadequate like everything else they touch.

Nat 5 exams cancelled but Swinney keeps ploughing on.

Utter shambles of a government.

[tc27]

Furlough is still in operation up to end of October but only at 60%
Employer will have to fund the other 20% + employers NI & Pension

Also an additional £40million support to get through this period, detail tbc

Also asking WM for more cash. I got the impression the majority of that £40m was for company support rather than individual- although I suppose it will make its way down

So far most of the Barnett consequentials of big support packages have not being completely spent as far as anyone can tell so I would imagine their is easily room to find 40 million.

[Northern Lights]

Also an additional £40million support to get through this period, detail tbc

Also asking WM for more cash. I got the impression the majority of that £40m was for company support rather than individual- although I suppose it will make its way down

So far most of the Barnett consequentials of big support packages have not being completely spent as far as anyone can tell so I would imagine their is easily room to find 40 million.

It's probably been spent as i dont think it is lying in a bank account that we arent aware of, it's more that it opaque on where it has been spent. That is the way things are in Scotland these days though, getting the FM to remember she met an aide to her predecessor on the subject of sexual assault is too much to expect...

[Slick]

Just actually caught up on the FM forgetting story... Deary me

[tc27]

Just actually caught up on the FM forgetting story... Deary me

Yes someone tells you something thats absolutely politically explosive and you claim you didnt remember it.

Its simply not credible.

[Northern Lights]

Just actually caught up on the FM forgetting story... Deary me

Funny that this comes out the same day as the new restrictions and cancelling the kids exams, pure coincidence I’m sure!

[Slick]

Just actually caught up on the FM forgetting story... Deary me

Yes someone tells you something thats absolutely politically explosive and you claim you didnt remember it.

Its simply not credible.

It’s a pretty sad state of affairs when a leader goes down this route and the blowback is minimal. Not healthy.

[Northern Lights]

Just actually caught up on the FM forgetting story... Deary me

Yes someone tells you something thats absolutely politically explosive and you claim you didnt remember it.

Its simply not credible.

It’s a pretty sad state of affairs when a leader goes down this route and the blowback is minimal. Not healthy.

Zero checks and balances in our fair land these days, cowed media, pathetic opposition and a populace that are compliant and will continue to vote for them irrespective of scandal and poor record.

It’s sad that she will undoubtedly ride this out.

[clydecloggie]

I guess it's a textbook example of shine by comparison.

As long as Westminster is beyond rank, rife with nepotism, hypocrisy and incompetence, even a juicy scandal like this is small fry.

[Northern Lights]

I guess it's a textbook example of shine by comparison.

As long as Westminster is beyond rank, rife with nepotism, hypocrisy and incompetence, even a juicy scandal like this is small fry.

Wow, just wow.

[clydecloggie]

I guess it's a textbook example of shine by comparison.

As long as Westminster is beyond rank, rife with nepotism, hypocrisy and incompetence, even a juicy scandal like this is small fry.

Wow, just wow.

I'm just trying to explain why it looks like the shit doesn't stick, NL. And this whole independence thing is a game of compare the meerkat rather than judge this one offer on its merits.

As has been endlessly discussed on these pages, on its own the SNP independence offering leaves a lot to be desired. But in the context of the infernal offspring of Downton Abbey and the Handmaid's Tale that is Westminster, the shit suddenly smells a lot rosier.

I've spoken to plenty of my friends over the last few months, who are about 75/25 Yes/No - all the Yessers see the scandals around the care homes , the Salmond case etc. Some are devoted Sturgeonites, most aren't. None are even considering switching to No. While simultaneously even the most ardent No types admit it's getting harder and harder to look at the UK as something you'd be proud to be a part of - and their No vote is given reluctantly (but based on all the valid objections to independence around the economy etc.). And that's all down to the nasty turn that England has taken, led by people who've gone from small c conservatives to Faragist revolutionaries with barely a democratic check along the way.

[Northern Lights]

I guess it's a textbook example of shine by comparison.

As long as Westminster is beyond rank, rife with nepotism, hypocrisy and incompetence, even a juicy scandal like this is small fry.

Wow, just wow.

I'm just trying to explain why it looks like the shit doesn't stick, NL. And this whole independence thing is a game of compare the meerkat rather than judge this one offer on its merits.

As has been endlessly discussed on these pages, on its own the SNP independence offering leaves a lot to be desired. But in the context of the infernal offspring of Downton Abbey and the Handmaid's Tale that is Westminster, the shit suddenly smells a lot rosier.

I've spoken to plenty of my friends over the last few months, who are about 75/25 Yes/No - all the Yessers see the scandals around the care homes , the Salmond case etc. Some are devoted Sturgeonites, most aren't. None are even considering switching to No. While simultaneously even the most ardent No types admit it's getting harder and harder to look at the UK as something you'd be proud to be a part of - and their No vote is given reluctantly (but based on all the valid objections to independence around the economy etc.). And that's all down to the nasty turn that England has taken, led by people who've gone from small c conservatives to Faragist revolutionaries with barely a democratic check along the way.

Hang on the No types are admitting the UK is not something to be proud because of the mess at Westminster but the Yes types dont have the same or even greater concerns with the shitshow at Holyrood which with a FM now lying to parliment I actually think is worse, you never get backbench rebellion from the SNP like you do at Westminster, it is truly horrific what is going on.

Whilst Yessers continue to vote for the SNP, irrespective of the clusterfuck that surrounds them we really are fucked, at least with the No voters they move their vote when they see a particular party are a shambles. All parties go through periods of being competent to shambolic, the SNP are now firmly in the shambolic territory and need relieved of duty but wont be when if you overriding decision on who to vote for is whether Scotland should be Indepedent or not, everything else then becomes secondary even when it is those things like Health, Education, the Economy that truly matter to the wellbeing of the nation, this is what the SNP want as they are able to brush off their ineptness by having the Indy debate front and centre and those who support Independence to be honest are fools for not teaching them a lesson at the ballot box and it makes me desperately sad that so many think and vote this way.

Further to this if any of you truly believe the SNP are just going to slink off once they get Indy you really need to put down the crack pipe.

[Biffer]

NL not understanding cloggie’s point and wailing SNP BAAAAAAAD.

Didn’t see that coming.

[Northern Lights]

NL not understanding cloggie’s point and wailing SNP BAAAAAAAD.

Didn’t see that coming.

I am utterly shocked you have nothing to add.

[I like neeps]

It is a good point because the UK (English) govt are clearly doing a terrible job re covid. But it's hard to see how the Scottish parliament have done any better?

Care homes - scandal, exams - scandal (the UK govt did worse to see it play out and not avoid it, but still a scandal), Cummings affair with Farrier which was probably worse than Dom's transgression, slower opening to and now a faster closing because it didn't work, university real estate racket in both places. The lists no doubt go on.

The Scottish government is clearly no more competent than Westminster but as Sturgeon isn't as dislikeable a character as Boris/Hancock et al they're seen as more competent? To floating voters. Or is it people become more politically engaged as it's impossible not to notice politics these days?

[tc27]

Imagine if Johnson was pretending he couldn't remember being told about serious sexual misconduct allegations being made against David Cameron. Then pretend Carrie Simmonds was forced to admit sending messages trying to get the police to 'look into it'. Also then add in Johnson insisting her never spoke to his partner about it and any action either took was completely uncoordinated.

It would be a major scandal which the press would not let lie and could possibly end a premiership.

Leaving aside the evidence of a very grubby fight within the SNP there are serious issues of misleading parliament and inappropriate attempts to influence a police investigation.

The desperate stonewalling of the enquiry suggests 'people' know they are on the hook here.

One of the more reasonable arguments for separation was that Holyrood had a better political culture than Westminster and the political establishment (largely embodied by the SNP) were a better class of politicians.

I am not sure anyone can make that argument now.

Sturgeon is the best communicator in UK politics and a far more respectable figure than Johnson but is actually pretty crap at governing. Having a great comms strategy with Covid turns out not to be enough on its own and her dog whistling about closing the border and her advisor's taking a victory lap about elimination back July now smacks of hubris.

[Biffer]

NL not understanding cloggie’s point and wailing SNP BAAAAAAAD.

Didn’t see that coming.

I am utterly shocked you have nothing to add.

At least when I add nothing it's short, unlike your howling at the moon.

[Bimbowomxn]

Sturgeon is the best communicator in UK politics and a far more respectable figure than Johnson

May not be as respectable as assumed if the rumours of super injunctions are true.

[MSG#]

Sturgeon is .... a far more respectable figure than Johnson

The empress has no clothes.

[Tichtheid]

Sturgeon is .... a far more respectable figure than Johnson

The empress has no clothes.

That's hardly an appropriate idiom, it would take a hell of a lot to be less respectable than Johnson.

Going by some of the posts here everything and anything SNP-related is a subject of near hatred.

Not having that kind of knee-jerk reaction to a political party is not the same as supporting them.

[Bimbowomxn]

Sturgeon is .... a far more respectable figure than Johnson

The empress has no clothes.

That's hardly an appropriate idiom, it would take a hell of a lot to be less respectable than Johnson.

Going by some of the posts here everything and anything SNP-related is a subject of near hatred.

Not having that kind of knee-jerk reaction to a political party is not the same as supporting them.

She’s in less danger of children out of wedlock I spose, but similar enough.

[Tichtheid]

She’s in less danger of children out of wedlock I spose

Is a wedding ring a chastity belt for women?

[Bimbowomxn]

She’s in less danger of children out of wedlock I spose

Is a wedding ring a chastity belt for women?

Remarkable response,