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tabascoboy wrote: Fri May 31, 2024 4:24 pm Just don't mention the 'B' word

The thing that gets me about our politicians is that they're so cheap. It really doesn't take much to buy their complicity or silence via donation.
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Not really an election thing so I thought I’d stick it in here - Tommy Robinson arrested in Canada for breaking immigration law. Allegation is he said he had no convictions on immigrations docs, obviously he has many. Bit ironic that an anti immigrant activist breaks immigration law.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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She still doesn't understand this is going to follow her around for the rest of her life!!
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SaintK wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 7:45 am She still doesn't understand this is going to follow her around for the rest of her life!!
:lol:

I don't usually go in for the tabloid bullying of a public figure, but in her case I will make an exception.
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Never mind the lettuce on the backdrop, if the camera was a little to the left, you would have seen her "little gem lettuce" in full. I feel awful at the idea.
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vball wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 8:26 am Never mind the lettuce on the backdrop, if the camera was a little to the left, you would have seen her "little gem lettuce" in full. I feel awful at the idea.
I noticed that too :sick:
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So this uber cunt thinks just because he's lost a couple of pounds and got a new haircut he should be leader of the Conservatives :crazy:
Not sure quite how many of the statements he's making are actually true but it's par for the course and will appeal to the 120000 or so that wil vote in the leadership contest!!!
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vball wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 8:26 am Never mind the lettuce on the backdrop, if the camera was a little to the left, you would have seen her "little gem lettuce" in full. I feel awful at the idea.
What a terrible day to be literate.
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SaintK wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:34 am So this uber cunt thinks just because he's lost a couple of pounds and got a new haircut he should be leader of the Conservatives :crazy:
Not sure quite how many of the statements he's making are actually true but it's par for the course and will appeal to the 120000 or so that wil vote in the leadership contest!!!
I'd say the claim that the black hole in public finances is invented is false.
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He is a proper skanky bastard, just what the Tories deserve as long as they never get back in power. Rotten to the core
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inactionman wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:44 am

I'd say the claim that the black hole in public finances is invented is false.
Yes, but also no.

They knew there was going to be a black hole, Labour that is, perhaps not quite just how large but they were being very clear in their manifesto they didn't want to know because then they'd have had to campaign with more actual detail, and they'd correctly reasoned doing and saying nothing was plenty enough to beat the Tories, the last thing they wanted to do was something.

The shift to a 2 year spending review is perhaps sensible, okay there are cons but we shall see, and hopefully they don't carry on paying for things out of reserves and actually allocate spending to departmental budgets when it should allocated snd subject to fiscal rules. The Tories allowing so much spend on asylum seekers to come out of reserves is frankly dubious in the extreme, and actually more serious for mine than some of the unfunded pledges.
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vball wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 8:26 am Never mind the lettuce on the backdrop, if the camera was a little to the left, you would have seen her "little gem lettuce" in full. I feel awful at the idea.
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epwc wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:52 am He is a proper skanky bastard, just what the Tories deserve as long as they never get back in power. Rotten to the core
At one point Tugendhat was looking like a more "moderate" candidate for leadership ( relatively speaking ) but appears to be more and more slimy every time he pipes up with some comments to keep his profile up. Nothing to suggest yet that they won't still pander to the looney right element even without Braverman contesting.
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Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:17 pm
inactionman wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:44 am

I'd say the claim that the black hole in public finances is invented is false.
Yes, but also no.

They knew there was going to be a black hole, Labour that is, perhaps not quite just how large but they were being very clear in their manifesto they didn't want to know because then they'd have had to campaign with more actual detail, and they'd correctly reasoned doing and saying nothing was plenty enough to beat the Tories, the last thing they wanted to do was something.

The shift to a 2 year spending review is perhaps sensible, okay there are cons but we shall see, and hopefully they don't carry on paying for things out of reserves and actually allocate spending to departmental budgets when it should allocated snd subject to fiscal rules. The Tories allowing so much spend on asylum seekers to come out of reserves is frankly dubious in the extreme, and actually more serious for mine than some of the unfunded pledges.
Reeves was pretty explicit during the campaign that the OBR meant surprise finances were a thing of the past, she said so to the FT. She knows exactly what she’s doing - they learnt from Theresa May about how not to blow a major poll lead and are now rolling the wicket for the major tax rises they always planned. ‘But the Tories’ is fine - they were a shit government. But we have a new one now and we shouldn’t be credulous about who they are and how they work.
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Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:40 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:17 pm
inactionman wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:44 am

I'd say the claim that the black hole in public finances is invented is false.
Yes, but also no.

They knew there was going to be a black hole, Labour that is, perhaps not quite just how large but they were being very clear in their manifesto they didn't want to know because then they'd have had to campaign with more actual detail, and they'd correctly reasoned doing and saying nothing was plenty enough to beat the Tories, the last thing they wanted to do was something.

The shift to a 2 year spending review is perhaps sensible, okay there are cons but we shall see, and hopefully they don't carry on paying for things out of reserves and actually allocate spending to departmental budgets when it should allocated snd subject to fiscal rules. The Tories allowing so much spend on asylum seekers to come out of reserves is frankly dubious in the extreme, and actually more serious for mine than some of the unfunded pledges.
Reeves was pretty explicit during the campaign that the OBR meant surprise finances were a thing of the past, she said so to the FT. She knows exactly what she’s doing - they learnt from Theresa May about how not to blow a major poll lead and are now rolling the wicket for the major tax rises they always planned. ‘But the Tories’ is fine - they were a shit government. But we have a new one now and we shouldn’t be credulous about who they are and how they work.
Some of it is fair enough, the asylum seekers budget having such vast sums not properly allocated to a department, some of the very, very late corrections submitted by various departments in a manner that cannot have been accidental (and actually in this some in the civil service must have sailed at minimum mighty close to the wind in going along with the Tories), some of the unfunded promised spending, but not the whole. As soon as the Tories announced the cut to NI and Labour pledged not to reverse it was a given something had to give, but no one wanted to campaign being honest that you can't have unfunded tax cuts, even whilst both sides (correctly) took the piss out of Liz Truss

The question now is given all the taxes we're told aren't going to increase how convoluted and more deleterious will the attempts to claw back the tax be than had Labour just been honest and straightforward? I'd hoping here they do keep things simply and row back on a campaign pledge. They do have some defence in 'but the Tories', and the Tories are making it easy with their nonsense claims they'd have stuck to planned departmental spending, no one thinks, or at least no one who thinks, considers you could have got away with a 2% salary rise for doctors and teachers and whatnot. Maybe if the Tories get a decent leader they can manage something marginally competent to say on the matter so far it's just Hunt saying he's smoked some magic mushrooms and would have stuck to planned spending.
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They don't have much sense of reality do they?

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Sandstorm wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 8:58 am
vball wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 8:26 am Never mind the lettuce on the backdrop, if the camera was a little to the left, you would have seen her "little gem lettuce" in full. I feel awful at the idea.
I noticed that too :sick:
Truss seems to think that Led by Donkeys ar far left activists. They probably are now from where she has positioned herself on the right.
Liz Truss continues to be irritated by the stunt that interrupted her talk in Suffolk. She said “What happened last night was not funny. Far-left activists disrupted the event, which then had to be stopped for security reasons. This is done to intimidate people and suppress free speech”. Her talk was interuppted by a banner of a lettuce with some googly-eyes and the slogan “I crashed the economy”
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tabascoboy wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 1:36 pm They don't have much sense of reality do they?

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Good grief! She has no idea of her own sheer incompetence and how much people derided her. £180k I suppose is a part time salary for these up their own arses twats!
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SaintK wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 3:13 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 8:58 am
vball wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 8:26 am Never mind the lettuce on the backdrop, if the camera was a little to the left, you would have seen her "little gem lettuce" in full. I feel awful at the idea.
I noticed that too :sick:
Truss seems to think that Led by Donkeys ar far left activists. They probably are now from where she has positioned herself on the right.
Liz Truss continues to be irritated by the stunt that interrupted her talk in Suffolk. She said “What happened last night was not funny. Far-left activists disrupted the event, which then had to be stopped for security reasons. This is done to intimidate people and suppress free speech”. Her talk was interuppted by a banner of a lettuce with some googly-eyes and the slogan “I crashed the economy”
I’m not sure she even thinks that, it’s just using Trump sound bites to try and impress a group she somehow thinks has the slightest interest in her
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dpedin wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 5:49 am
tabascoboy wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 1:36 pm They don't have much sense of reality do they?

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Good grief! She has no idea of her own sheer incompetence and how much people derided her. £180k I suppose is a part time salary for these up their own arses twats!
Indeed. Being corrupt, lazy, incompetent and stupid might have made her an ideal candidate for a ministerial post under the last Government, but those attributes aren't quite as valuable in the real world.
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What the hell is wrong with the woman?
Ousted MP Liz Truss Accused of Being in ‘Denial’ About Defeat as she ‘Clings to Constituent Casework’

Defeated Ex-PM Liz Truss is apparently refusing to hand over issues she was dealing with as a Norfolk MP to her Labour successor

A spokesperson for former South West Norfolk MP Truss told the online outlet on Friday: “Liz is diligently completing outstanding casework. Of course, due to data protection laws she cannot simply hand over constituents’ confidential information.”

Several political and data experts have questioned the claim that handing over casework would be a breach of data protection laws. In fact, it may be the exact opposite.

Data protection expert Mark Mossley replied: “I’ve implemented GDPR at several places. The data has been provided to ‘the MP for…’ rather than ‘Liz Truss the person’”.

He claimed that as Truss has now changed roles, she “no longer has any right to access it.”

“In doing so, and refusing to hand it over to the new custodian of the office and therefore the data, she’s committing an offence,” he alleged.

Political scientist Dr Nick Dickinson replied to Byline Times: “I highly doubt she’s still doing case work. But this is deeply irresponsible even if she was.”

Terry Jermy MP said: “I don’t know how if the casework is being dealt with, or if it’s legitimate in terms of GDPR.”
https://bylinetimes.com/2024/08/16/oust ... -casework/
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She is a deeply strange woman
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I understand that GDPR is an issue - Jess Phillips said that person who is the subject of the case needs to give their consent to pass it on, if they don't it's just closed.

None of this excuses Truss from doing the correct thing in facilitating this process, what, exactly, can she do as an ex-MP with the standing and influence of a rubber ducky in a whirlpool and the contempt of the sane public?
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Nick Dickinson is a fantastic name
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Truss I think has had a mental breakdown
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https://x.com/Ben_A_Hopkinson/status/18 ... 7729227095

Interesting thread explaining why France can build metro systems for a fraction of the cost that we do, yet another reminder that we run our economy with one hand tied behind our backs
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Yep, that'll work out just fine!
Jenrick looks as if he's overdosed on those weight loss pills. Just makes him look like a haggard Tory twat rather than a chubby one
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Jenrick is a scumbag, so is Boris. Kindred spirits
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epwc wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:36 pm Jenrick is a scumbag, so is Boris. Kindred spirits
I think you are being too kind to both of them! They are lying, racist, xenophobic cunts who would sell their own daughters to Andrew Tate if it meant they got anywhere near power again. They are both irrelevant now and will just bob around like an unflushable jobbies on the fringes of the right wing media talking right wing nonsense. Good feckin riddence to both of them.
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dpedin wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:44 am
epwc wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:36 pm Jenrick is a scumbag, so is Boris. Kindred spirits
I think you are being too kind to both of them! They are lying, racist, xenophobic cunts who would sell their own daughters to Andrew Tate if it meant they got anywhere near power again. They are both irrelevant now and will just bob around like an unflushable jobbies on the fringes of the right wing media talking right wing nonsense. Good feckin riddence to both of them.
Despite bingeing on diet pills and making as many racist comments as he can, Jenrick has fallen to fifth place in the leadership race, so yes, he's not getting anywhere near to power in the foreseeable future.

Apparently the current favourite with the Tory faithful is Jimmy Dimly. When the general public is asked, the least offensive candidate is Tugendhat, although the public's most popular choice by some distance is "none of the above".
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Sometimes the answer is right in front of you .... or at least in the story linked directly below

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Anthony Seldon has written a new biography - Truss at 10: How Not to Be a Prime Minister

The Boris Johnson was a very interesting read, with all the critique and information from insiders - so this one should be a real page turner!
Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on the NHS in a desperate bid to repair the damage caused by her disastrous economic policies, according to a new book.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 01932.html
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tabascoboy wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:34 pm Anthony Seldon has written a new biography - Truss at 10: How Not to Be a Prime Minister

The Boris Johnson was a very interesting read, with all the critique and information from insiders - so this one should be a real page turner!
Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on the NHS in a desperate bid to repair the damage caused by her disastrous economic policies, according to a new book.
Surely only enough content for a 4 page pamphlet?
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Sandstorm wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:35 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:34 pm Anthony Seldon has written a new biography - Truss at 10: How Not to Be a Prime Minister

The Boris Johnson was a very interesting read, with all the critique and information from insiders - so this one should be a real page turner!
Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on the NHS in a desperate bid to repair the damage caused by her disastrous economic policies, according to a new book.
Surely only enough content for a 4 page pamphlet?
384 pages!

Torygraph review hates it - so it must be good...
This venomous study of Liz Truss is the Establishment’s revenge ( 2 stars / 5)
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tabascoboy wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:34 pm Anthony Seldon has written a new biography - Truss at 10: How Not to Be a Prime Minister

The Boris Johnson was a very interesting read, with all the critique and information from insiders - so this one should be a real page turner!
Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on the NHS in a desperate bid to repair the damage caused by her disastrous economic policies, according to a new book.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 01932.html
That quoted bit - ....surely not?

There's dogmatic, there's incompetent, and then there's just plain fucking evil.
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tabascoboy wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:39 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:35 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:34 pm Anthony Seldon has written a new biography - Truss at 10: How Not to Be a Prime Minister

The Boris Johnson was a very interesting read, with all the critique and information from insiders - so this one should be a real page turner!

Surely only enough content for a 4 page pamphlet?
384 pages!

Torygraph review hates it - so it must be good...
This venomous study of Liz Truss is the Establishment’s revenge ( 2 stars / 5)
Has the Telegraph gone full "elites are out to get you", then, because Holy shit, if it isn't part of the Establishment then I don't know what is.
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tabascoboy wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:39 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:35 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:34 pm Anthony Seldon has written a new biography - Truss at 10: How Not to Be a Prime Minister

The Boris Johnson was a very interesting read, with all the critique and information from insiders - so this one should be a real page turner!

Surely only enough content for a 4 page pamphlet?
384 pages!

Torygraph review hates it - so it must be good...
This venomous study of Liz Truss is the Establishment’s revenge ( 2 stars / 5)
I tried to read Saturdays Telegraph. It is virtually unreadable and full of batshit crazy articles.
It is now ultra right wing.
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tabascoboy wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:39 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:35 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:34 pm Anthony Seldon has written a new biography - Truss at 10: How Not to Be a Prime Minister

The Boris Johnson was a very interesting read, with all the critique and information from insiders - so this one should be a real page turner!

Surely only enough content for a 4 page pamphlet?
384 pages!

Torygraph review hates it - so it must be good...
This venomous study of Liz Truss is the Establishment’s revenge ( 2 stars / 5)
That's more than seven pages per day.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Biffer wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 3:30 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:39 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:35 pm

Surely only enough content for a 4 page pamphlet?
384 pages!

Torygraph review hates it - so it must be good...
This venomous study of Liz Truss is the Establishment’s revenge ( 2 stars / 5)
That's more than seven pages per day.
Does seem a stretch but it was a pretty crazy 49 days, and there is also all the pre leadership battle and background manoeuvring from the faction trying to get her out to cover.
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It may cheer her up to know that Seldon, who has co-authored numerous political biographies of prime ministers, believes Truss was a better PM than her predecessor, Boris Johnson, who he labels the worst of all time.

“She did at least have an intellectual drive and economic policy consistency about her,” he told the Times. “She was undoubtedly clever and had objectives that she passionately believed in and wanted to achieve
https://www.politico.eu/article/lizz-tr ... hcare-nhs/

The Author has a peculiar idea of, "clever".

Imbeciles can have objectives they, "passionately believed in and wanted to achieve", but they're still imbeciles if what they believe in is fantasy, or impossible by all recognizable science, & precedent. Truss believed in Truss, & spouted whatever bolloxology her sponsor"Think Tanks" plonked in front of her.
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