England vs All Blacks + Munster vs ABs XV

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The officiating in this match is, shall we say, interesting.
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Certain Navigator wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:57 pm The officiating in this match is, shall we say, interesting.
Part of the joy of these games tbh
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That was exactly what this game needed
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Paul O'Connell's nephew is making his debut btw.
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Uncle fester wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:05 pm Paul O'Connell's nephew is making his debut btw.
Surprised he's only making his debut now! Was he down in SA with Emerging Ireland?
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PornDog wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:07 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:05 pm Paul O'Connell's nephew is making his debut btw.
Surprised he's only making his debut now! Was he down in SA with Emerging Ireland?
He was yeah

Only just out of 20's.
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Uncle fester wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:43 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:38 pmScore?
21 - 17 to AB's
FT?
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Ah balls. Well it's a decent effort anyway.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:12 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:43 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:38 pmScore?
21 - 17 to AB's
FT?
33-24. Finishing up soon.
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That'll do.
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Uncle fester wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:13 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:12 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:43 pm

21 - 17 to AB's
FT?
33-24. Finishing up soon.
Not soon enough. AB's got an intercept as well.
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38-24 to the AB's.
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Uncle fester wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:13 pm
Certain Navigator wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:03 pm These Irish commentators don't seem to know the name of a single NZ player. :oops:
Are they supposed to know the names of the 24th-46th most talented players in NZ?
Well, I expect professionals to be...professional. What do you expect?

If anything, they got worse as the game went on. Between the 70th and 74th minutes, when they were whipping themselves into a paroxysm of ecstasy, not a single NZ player was mentioned, until they belatedly noted that Kellow had pulled off a try-saving tackle.

Holland a deserved MOM. Hotham and Kellow provided huge impact off the bench.
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People here stopped watching super
rugby a long long time ago so it's only the internationals we'll be familiar with.
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Certain Navigator wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:20 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:13 pm
Certain Navigator wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:03 pm These Irish commentators don't seem to know the name of a single NZ player. :oops:
Are they supposed to know the names of the 24th-46th most talented players in NZ?
Well, I expect professionals to be...professional. What do you expect?

If anything, they got worse as the game went on. Between the 70th and 74th minutes, when they were whipping themselves into a paroxysm of ecstasy, not a single NZ player was mentioned, until they belatedly noted that Kellow had pulled off a try-saving tackle.

Holland a deserved MOM. Hotham and Kellow provided huge impact off the bench.
Cool story bro.

Shame its not true.
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Happy enough we didn't make a holy show of ourselves after the week we've had. AB's deserved winners.
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ASMO wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 5:16 pm Razor looks like a blonde Hitler
The Hitler that Hitler always wanted to be
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WTAF was George Ford doing with that tackle "attempt" for the 3rd try? He's a yard away from touch, any kind of hit with his shoulder and the dude is out. Why on earth would you be attempting a wrap tackle in that scenario?
Ian Madigan for Ireland.
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Jim Lahey wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:46 pm WTAF was George Ford doing with that tackle "attempt" for the 3rd try? He's a yard away from touch, any kind of hit with his shoulder and the dude is out. Why on earth would you be attempting a wrap tackle in that scenario?
This, from any rugby players perspective. Aim for the hips and Telea is gone.
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Flockwitt wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 9:16 pm
Jim Lahey wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:46 pm WTAF was George Ford doing with that tackle "attempt" for the 3rd try? He's a yard away from touch, any kind of hit with his shoulder and the dude is out. Why on earth would you be attempting a wrap tackle in that scenario?
This, from any rugby players perspective. Aim for the hips and Telea is gone.
Yeah, better tacklers than Ford have tried that on Tele’a and he just keeps moving. Nightmare trying to tackle that greased eel.
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Sorry AB's, you got lucky! Work-ons for this week are:
Catching
Running
Passing
Kicking
Rucks and mauls
Lineouts
Tackling the actual person with the ball.

Anyone got Razor's phone number?
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Uncle fester wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:22 pm People here stopped watching super
rugby a long long time ago so it's only the internationals we'll be familiar with.
Getting even worse in Oz, reckon its going to get even worse over the next few years, people really don't care anymore. Rugby could be done in Australia to be honest.
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Jim Lahey wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:46 pm WTAF was George Ford doing with that tackle "attempt" for the 3rd try? He's a yard away from touch, any kind of hit with his shoulder and the dude is out. Why on earth would you be attempting a wrap tackle in that scenario?
Ford’s cameo was not his finest. For me he’s a poor bench option, he either starts and runs the show or shouldn’t play. Smith played very well and there was no pressing reason for a switch
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Both England and NZ have dysfunctional back lines. SA, Ireland and France are going to eat them alive.
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Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:22 am
Jim Lahey wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:46 pm WTAF was George Ford doing with that tackle "attempt" for the 3rd try? He's a yard away from touch, any kind of hit with his shoulder and the dude is out. Why on earth would you be attempting a wrap tackle in that scenario?
Ford’s cameo was not his finest. For me he’s a poor bench option, he either starts and runs the show or shouldn’t play. Smith played very well and there was no pressing reason for a switch
The analytics probably mandated the switch due to win percentages or something.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:59 am
Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:22 am
Jim Lahey wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:46 pm WTAF was George Ford doing with that tackle "attempt" for the 3rd try? He's a yard away from touch, any kind of hit with his shoulder and the dude is out. Why on earth would you be attempting a wrap tackle in that scenario?
Ford’s cameo was not his finest. For me he’s a poor bench option, he either starts and runs the show or shouldn’t play. Smith played very well and there was no pressing reason for a switch
The analytics probably mandated the switch due to win percentages or something.
Seems that way. See also subbing Spencer. I like Randall but his game is not suited to trying to hold a lead and Spencer was playing well. He has 80 in the tank, keep him going. And a Bomb Squad may seem like a good idea but it does not have the same effect when it’s Dan Cole and Finn Baxter.

Very frustrating, four of the last five games we’ve played well against good sides and blown it at the death
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Yeah very annoyed to be 0/3 against New Zealand this year but got to keep in perspective that only needed to convert two relatively easy kicks to make it 2/1.

It is going to be hard to close out games with a weak scrum however.
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tc27 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:22 am Yeah very annoyed to be 0/3 against New Zealand this year but got to keep in perspective that only needed to convert two relatively easy kicks to make it 2/1.

It is going to be hard to close out games with a weak scrum however.
And if my uncle had tits he would be my aunt, we are just simply not good enough, we lack a dominant scrum, we lack any sort of attack plan and an attack coach who is basically stealing a living, we heavily rely on defence and big hits but even we fail at that. We have a coach steeped in 90's Leicester tactics, and too many players who should be nowhere near that test side. There are so many things wrong here and it all starts at the top.
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JM2K6 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:16 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:13 pm
Certain Navigator wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:03 pm These Irish commentators don't seem to know the name of a single NZ player. :oops:
Are they supposed to know the names of the 24th-46th most talented players in NZ?
Indeed, you usually leave that to the IRFU scouts
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England need a proper bomb squad.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 11:49 am England need a proper bomb squad.
No they don't
They just need sensibly selected substitutes who are not sent on by the coach at a pre determined time.
Spencer and Smith should not have come off at 60 minutes.
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SaintK wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 11:57 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 11:49 am England need a proper bomb squad.
No they don't
They just need sensibly selected substitutes who are not sent on by the coach at a pre determined time.
Spencer and Smith should not have come off at 60 minutes.
Scrum is a genuine issue and not helped by Marler’s retirement. But we can’t magic up a front row. As you say we’d have won with smarter subs with the team we had
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The good news is we finally have some quality tightheads coming through and a clutch of good young looseheads. It'll be a struggle for a year or two though.
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JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:00 pm The good news is we finally have some quality tightheads coming through and a clutch of good young looseheads. It'll be a struggle for a year or two though.
I'd like to see them added to the training squad occassionally as part of their development.
Not sure if that's feasible but there is a big gap between being succesful at U20 and joining the senior squad.
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SaintK wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:16 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:00 pm The good news is we finally have some quality tightheads coming through and a clutch of good young looseheads. It'll be a struggle for a year or two though.
I'd like to see them added to the training squad occassionally as part of their development.
Not sure if that's feasible but there is a big gap between being succesful at U20 and joining the senior squad.
There's a big gap between U20 and making it as a pro, let alone a senior international. Down the years there've been a number of heralded U20s props who just disappear after having made a handful of Premiership appearances.
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sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:22 pm
SaintK wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:16 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:00 pm The good news is we finally have some quality tightheads coming through and a clutch of good young looseheads. It'll be a struggle for a year or two though.
I'd like to see them added to the training squad occassionally as part of their development.
Not sure if that's feasible but there is a big gap between being succesful at U20 and joining the senior squad.
There's a big gap between U20 and making it as a pro, let alone a senior international. Down the years there've been a number of heralded U20s props who just disappear after having made a handful of Premiership appearances.
Agreed but there a number of young props coming through who are no longer U20 and are playing Premiership rugby (albeit off the bench in some cases) who may well benefit from the exposure to what is required at the highest level
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sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:22 pm
SaintK wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:16 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:00 pm The good news is we finally have some quality tightheads coming through and a clutch of good young looseheads. It'll be a struggle for a year or two though.
I'd like to see them added to the training squad occassionally as part of their development.
Not sure if that's feasible but there is a big gap between being succesful at U20 and joining the senior squad.
There's a big gap between U20 and making it as a pro, let alone a senior international. Down the years there've been a number of heralded U20s props who just disappear after having made a handful of Premiership appearances.
Yes Fatties is like red wine. Matured with age.

Springboks are in a very healthy fatties and locks stage. Hope to see a bit of Wilco.
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Want to congrats the All Blacks. I had to pick up our fish and chips in that last 10 minutes but always knew the All Blacks will come up with something special. England looked in control. This close losses is hard on the stomach. I don't think the Springboks would changed that around. It's going to be a tough one but first we have the flying Skotte.
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SaintK wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:40 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:22 pm
SaintK wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:16 pm
I'd like to see them added to the training squad occassionally as part of their development.
Not sure if that's feasible but there is a big gap between being succesful at U20 and joining the senior squad.
There's a big gap between U20 and making it as a pro, let alone a senior international. Down the years there've been a number of heralded U20s props who just disappear after having made a handful of Premiership appearances.
Agreed but there a number of young props coming through who are no longer U20 and are playing Premiership rugby (albeit off the bench in some cases) who may well benefit from the exposure to what is required at the highest level
I also agree that the step up is usually far too much, but Fasogbon and Opoku-Fordjour are both mixing it with the big boys quite nicely already.
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JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 2:30 pm
SaintK wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:40 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:22 pm

There's a big gap between U20 and making it as a pro, let alone a senior international. Down the years there've been a number of heralded U20s props who just disappear after having made a handful of Premiership appearances.
Agreed but there a number of young props coming through who are no longer U20 and are playing Premiership rugby (albeit off the bench in some cases) who may well benefit from the exposure to what is required at the highest level
I also agree that the step up is usually far too much, but Fasogbon and Opoku-Fordjour are both mixing it with the big boys quite nicely already.
Agree with this, and likewise Baxter whilst bested yesterday was by no means out of his depth, it just takes time and unfortunately he doesn’t have it as he’ll be taking on the Boks in two weeks.

Cole probably has to soldier on now
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