Bledisloe I: All Blacks vs Wallabies: MATCH THREAD: Oct 11

[JPNZ]

Incredible match but the ABs bottled that for sure. Had so many opportunities to ice that game. Terrible performance

[Enzedder]

Hence the words "in NZ".
But you are right, Foster's coaching was just as bad at the RWC.

Wibble - did you see your vote for All Black captain couldn't even catch a lineout ball with two hands. . How the fuck can you coach a team with that level of incompetence?

Keep trolling Enzedder. Your beloved Ian Foster is so bad that he needs you to keep diverting attention away from him.

He's an utter incompetent - I knew that for ten years.

But your players fucking suck under pressure mate - absolutely fucking suck.

[Kiwias]

Let my blood pressure come back from the stratosphere.

[Ted.]

Foster is a dribbling moron. ALB to 2ndb5, Goodbye to centre. Let's have Jordon.

rMo was pretty bloody ordinary. Mind, he had fuck all support outside him.

[Carter's Choice]

But your players fucking suck under pressure mate - absolutely fucking suck.

What do you mean by "your" players? These guys are representing all of NZ. But you're right, I wish they had the composure of Damien McKenzie

[npradmin]

Thought the ref had a poor game there, missed so much, worst of all was the one right at the end in front of the AB's posts for handling on the ground.

[Ymx]

They were worse than this in the RWC semi.

Hence the words "in NZ".
But you are right, Foster's coaching was just as bad at the RWC.

Wibble - did you see your vote for All Black captain couldn't even catch a lineout ball with two hands. . How the fuck can you coach a team with that level of incompetence?

That was a dummy jump. Was missed behind him by Vaai.

[Ymx]

But your players fucking suck under pressure mate - absolutely fucking suck.

What do you mean by "your" players? These guys are representing all of NZ. But you're right, I wish they had the composure of Damien McKenzie

Or the chiefs reknowned for closing off tight games.

[Carter's Choice]

Foster is a dribbling moron. ALB to 2ndb5, Goodbye to centre. Let's have Jordon.

rMo was pretty bloody ordinary. Mind, he had fuck all support outside him.

Mo'unga was fine. In the final three minutes he made a line break to get us field position and then stripped a wallaby player of possession to win a turn over.

[Jb1981]

Guys, we are turning on each other. Let’s not let Foster do this to us. We are better than this.

[Gumboot]

Feel a bit sorry for Hooper tbh, Read also had to settle for a draw captaining his 100th test.

[Ted.]

Wibble - did you see your vote for All Black captain couldn't even catch a lineout ball with two hands. . How the fuck can you coach a team with that level of incompetence?

Keep trolling Enzedder. Your beloved Ian Foster is so bad that he needs you to keep diverting attention away from him.

He's an utter incompetent - I knew that for ten years.

But your players fucking suck under pressure mate - absolutely fucking suck.

Perhaps. They certainly didn't step up this time, not in the backs anyway.

I thought Taylor was decent Whitelock was immense. We're there any others in the pack that showed up outside the scrum?

[Monkey Magic]

Incredible match but the ABs bottled that for sure. Had so many opportunities to ice that game. Terrible performance

Ridiculous no one dropped into the pocket at the end, but not only that they had Richie and jordie wandering around close to the ruck. Sure the kick might be the hard option, then at least look like you're going to do something else.

And Reiko... oh dear

[Carter's Choice]

Guys the draw isn't important. Neither is the Bledisloe Cup. What is important is that Rieko Ioane looked really good and cool with the one handed put down when he went to score a try with no Wallaby defenders in sight.

[stunt_cunt]

About the only glaring disaster through that whole game was Reiko's almost unforgivable fumble over the line.

That was a decent match in some wild weather with both sides first up test in a year.

You'd have to assume a lot of improvement from both sides week to week.

[Ted.]

Foster is a dribbling moron. ALB to 2ndb5, Goodbye to centre. Let's have Jordon.

rMo was pretty bloody ordinary. Mind, he had fuck all support outside him.

Mo'unga was fine. In the final three minutes he made a line break to get us field position and then stripped a wallaby player of possession to win a turn over.

That's the worst set of rose tinted glasses ever. He was ordinary. Made too many mistakes and didn't lead the team around the park.
I am not at all advocating for any alternatives, he's the best we have at the moment, but he's not up to standard either.

[Monkey Magic]

Keep trolling Enzedder. Your beloved Ian Foster is so bad that he needs you to keep diverting attention away from him.

He's an utter incompetent - I knew that for ten years.

But your players fucking suck under pressure mate - absolutely fucking suck.

Perhaps. They certainly didn't step up this time, not in the backs anyway.

I thought Taylor was decent Whitelock was immense. We're there any others in the pack that showed up outside the scrum?

Ardie tried to carry us back onto it. Thought big Karl had done a great turnover but got pinged for not rolling away somehow.

Frizzell and Tuipulotu didn't seem to get the chance to throw their frames around as much as we would like

[Carter's Choice]

Foster is a dribbling moron. ALB to 2ndb5, Goodbye to centre. Let's have Jordon.

rMo was pretty bloody ordinary. Mind, he had fuck all support outside him.

Mo'unga was fine. In the final three minutes he made a line break to get us field position and then stripped a wallaby player of possession to win a turn over.

That's the worst set of rose tinted glasses ever. He was ordinary. Made too many mistakes and didn't lead the team around the park.
I am not at all advocating for any alternatives, he's the best we have at the moment, but he's not up to standard either.

Smith kicked away the ball every time we had possession in our own half, and we never had possession in the the Wallaby's half. As usual, Richie Mo'unga is expected to play perfectly each and every game.

[Gumboot]

Ardie tried to carry us back onto it. Thought big Karl had done a great turnover but got pinged for not rolling away somehow.

Frizzell and Tuipulotu didn't seem to get the chance to throw their frames around as much as we would like

Thought Vaa'i threw his frame around to good effect when he came on.

[Wild Beef]

Still too cool for the droppy. Surprised JB didn’t drop back. He has a good drop goal on him and will use it.

[Ymx]

Weird post match interview from D Mac. Pretty blaze about the result and the bledisloe. Calling it a bit of fun. And said hopefully Beaudy is back next week.

[Trapper]

I hope Beaudy is back next week, DMac was gash.

[Carter's Choice]

I hope Beaudy is back next week, DMac was gash.

Hes been average all year. He had almost no impact for the Chiefs throughout Super Rugby Aotearoa.

[Enzedder]

But your players fucking suck under pressure mate - absolutely fucking suck.

What do you mean by "your" players? These guys are representing all of NZ. But you're right, I wish they had the composure of Damien McKenzie

Or the chiefs reknowned for closing off tight games.

Yep - you started the tribalism with that comment - but your players were too bloody poor to do anything about it.

Did you notice that they weren't willing to trust Mo"unga with a droppie?

[stemoc]

HODGE IS IN THE WALLABIES FOR one JOB AND HE FUCKS THAT UP (MASSIVE KICK THO, EVEN THE POST SWAYED)

[Ymx]

What do you mean by "your" players? These guys are representing all of NZ. But you're right, I wish they had the composure of Damien McKenzie

Or the chiefs reknowned for closing off tight games.

Yep - you started the tribalism with that comment - but your players were too bloody poor to do anything about it.

Did you notice that they weren't willing to trust Mo"unga with a droppie?

Enz calm down. But you’ve also quoted your original comment before mine, starting it.

[Jb1981]

That was game one so I’m not expecting wholesale change. For the backs I would like Rieko anywhere but Centre (the bench or outside the 23 would be fine). Goodhue can take that spot and ALB 12. If they want Jordie in the team I would start him at Fullback. Clark could then come into the starting side or one of Reece or Jordan.

[Carter's Choice]

Some questions for AB's fans;

- What if any selection changes do you think will happen for next week?
- What changes to our game-plan are needed?
- Why was Jordie Barrett goal kicking? Richie Mo'unga has always been a more accurate goal kicker, so why was JB given the job? I suspect it's because Foster intends to rotate RM and Beaudan Barrett at 10, so he wants his first choice goal kicker on the field all the time.

[Carter's Choice]

That was game one so I’m not expecting wholesale change. For the backs I would like Rieko anywhere but Centre (the bench or outside the 23 would be fine). Goodhue can take that spot and ALB 12. If they want Jordie in the team I would start him at Fullback. Clark could then come into the starting side or one of Reece or Jordan.

I thought Bridge was our best outside back, and deserves to retain the 11 jersey.

[Ymx]

That was game one so I’m not expecting wholesale change. For the backs I would like Rieko anywhere but Centre (the bench or outside the 23 would be fine). Goodhue can take that spot and ALB 12. If they want Jordie in the team I would start him at Fullback. Clark could then come into the starting side or one of Reece or Jordan.

If Rieko needs to be on the field I’d prefer he was carrying water.

[Gumboot]

I thought Bridge was our best outside back, and deserves to retain the 11 jersey.

He had a much better second half than first half, but Clarke was very good when he came on.

[Jb1981]

That was game one so I’m not expecting wholesale change. For the backs I would like Rieko anywhere but Centre (the bench or outside the 23 would be fine). Goodhue can take that spot and ALB 12. If they want Jordie in the team I would start him at Fullback. Clark could then come into the starting side or one of Reece or Jordan.

I thought Bridge was our best outside back, and deserves to retain the 11 jersey.

Yep, I would keep Bridge there. Fundamentally, I would like players picked in their best positions - hence if they really want Jordie, put him at the back and by getting rid of Rieko, let’s get the centres sorted.

This is the week Foster needs to earn his money with tactics and selection.

[Jb1981]

That was game one so I’m not expecting wholesale change. For the backs I would like Rieko anywhere but Centre (the bench or outside the 23 would be fine). Goodhue can take that spot and ALB 12. If they want Jordie in the team I would start him at Fullback. Clark could then come into the starting side or one of Reece or Jordan.

If Rieko needs to be on the field I’d prefer he was carrying water.

Carrying water?

You have to look at a player’s skill set. Do you want to rely on Rieko to hold on to something?

[Wild Beef]

I don’t think it’s a given that Mo’unga is a better kicker than JB. JB kicked over Mo’unga in the north vs south match too so I wasn’t surprised with this. Really, if there’s a surprise, it’s that DMac didn’t kick as he was the best kicker this season.

[Ted.]

Mo'unga was fine. In the final three minutes he made a line break to get us field position and then stripped a wallaby player of possession to win a turn over.

That's the worst set of rose tinted glasses ever. He was ordinary. Made too many mistakes and didn't lead the team around the park.
I am not at all advocating for any alternatives, he's the best we have at the moment, but he's not up to standard either.

Smith kicked away the ball every time we had possession in our own half, and we never had possession in the the Wallaby's half. As usual, Richie Mo'unga is expected to play perfectly each and every game.

He's the 1st 5, mate. It's his job to call it. If Nugget is grabbing the initiative too much, it's up to Moanga to call it. If he won't do that he shouldn't be there. He needs to call those shots, otherwise we may as well have Beaudy in there doing random shit. In fact, Beaudy would have runbthevcutteg better than that.

Don't get me wrong, Mo was by no means alone. In fact, I would have got rid of Reiko early, moved Goodbye out and had ALB at 2nd 5 (he surely would have helped Mo). I would have had TJP on at the 60 minute mark and moved Jordy back to fullback earlier, too. But once Reiko was off, most of the poor strategy and execution was Smith and Mo, with Mo being the poorer of the two.

[Enzedder]

Some questions for AB's fans;

- What if any selection changes do you think will happen for next week?
Wouldn't chnage the fowrads much - Ardie didn't impress and neither did Tuipolotu but we don't have anyone better at the moment
Reiko can be treated like Steven Donald for all I care (and he can come back and win a world cup too)
Beauden Barrett to the bench, Jordie to fullback and Will Jordan to the wing?
- What changes to our game-plan are needed?
It's a hard one - how much of that was weather affected?
- Why was Jordie Barrett goal kicking? Richie Mo'unga has always been a more accurate goal kicker, so why was JB given the job? I suspect it's because Foster intends to rotate RM and Beaudan Barrett at 10, so he wants his first choice goal kicker on the field all the time.
Home ground?

[Gumboot]

I think Ioane will come right and deserves another chance at 13.

[Ymx]

Some questions for AB's fans;

- What if any selection changes do you think will happen for next week?
- What changes to our game-plan are needed?
- Why was Jordie Barrett goal kicking? Richie Mo'unga has always been a more accurate goal kicker, so why was JB given the job? I suspect it's because Foster intends to rotate RM and Beaudan Barrett at 10, so he wants his first choice goal kicker on the field all the time.

Midfield needs fixing. A starting 2 from Lumpy, ALB, Goodhue. What % recovery is the lump at now?

Back 3. Jordan at right wing, BB at fullback. Left wing Bridge/Reece.

Jordie warming pine.

Back row. Sotutu starting. Tbf, I thought Cane played well so would keep him and Frizell.

Whitelock to captain, but can’t happen obviously.

[Trapper]

I’d like to see Foster dropped for Razor.

[Wild Beef]

Btw, was it really selections that lost this match? Or something else? Lack of intensity, poor tactics, taking the win for granted... I didn’t see most of the match but I find people resort to selections before anything else when a team performs badly but there’s often deeper issues.