Stop voting for fucking Tories

[SaintK]

Farage and Badenoch arguing about membership numbers now, t is a bit like trying to play chess with a pigeon except both players are pigeons!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq62qv3486qo

If Badenoch had a scintilla of the intelligence she supposedly has, she'd immediately launch a legal action for ferret faces counter accusations, & force him to provide proof of the Reform membership numbers, because sure as shit they ain't legit; & frankly there's nothing to lose !

There's no better way to take down a braggard than to cut them off at the knees & show them as a liar in the public court, on a topic of their own choosing, & with their own testimony.

This would of course also have the effect of giving Space Karen pause; because why would he back a Party with more bot supporters than he has himself ?

She really isn't very good at this! And never makes mistakes when she speaks

Allies of Kemi Badenoch have dismissed as “nonsense” claims that she asked GB News to cut airtime for Nigel Farage.
In a fresh twist, Badenoch was reported by the Mail on Sunday to have raised Farage’s prominence on GB News, where he is a presenter, in a meeting with the channel’s chief executive. She is reported to have warned against the broadcaster becoming a haven for her critics.

However, GB News reported on the Mail on Sunday story on its Ben Leo show on Saturday night, with its presenter saying it was an “extraordinary” development. The presenter said they had invited Badenoch and any members of the shadow cabinet to appear on GB News since Boxing Day and had been met with “stonewall silence”.
The programme subsequently played a clip of Badenoch saying she never makes any gaffes because she considers carefully what she says before speaking.

[tabascoboy]

Ah yes, that well known land border between Italy and Turkey

[Tichtheid]

Ah yes, that well known land border between Italy and Turkey

To fair there is a land border between Italy and Turkey, it's called Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia and Bulgaria.


It does make you wonder what wall she saw, and did she buy it off whoever showed it to her?

[dpedin]

Ah yes, that well known land border between Italy and Turkey

To fair there is a land border between Italy and Turkey, it's called Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia and Bulgaria.


It does make you wonder what wall she saw, and did she buy it off whoever showed it to her?

Not just a wall, she saw drones, armoured vehicles and soldiers as well! I wonder where she actually was or was it all just one big fabrication? Is she just plain stupid and confused about which country she was or is she just plain stupid and made up a story about a fictitious land border with soldiers, armoured vehicles drones and everything? She's come a long way from doing conveyancing work and photocopying books she claimed she co-authored, a real riches to rags story!

[tabascoboy]

Ah yes, that well known land border between Italy and Turkey

To fair there is a land border between Italy and Turkey, it's called Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia and Bulgaria.


It does make you wonder what wall she saw, and did she buy it off whoever showed it to her?

Not just a wall, she saw drones, armoured vehicles and soldiers as well! I wonder where she actually was or was it all just one big fabrication? Is she just plain stupid and confused about which country she was or is she just plain stupid and made up a story about a fictitious land border with soldiers, armoured vehicles drones and everything? She's come a long way from doing conveyancing work and photocopying books she claimed she co-authored, a real riches to rags story!

Most likely she's just outright bullshitting and trusting that people are too gullible or stupid to pick up on it

[Yeeb]

Ah yes, that well known land border between Italy and Turkey

She is to geography what Diane Abbot is to maths

[Tichtheid]

Ah yes, that well known land border between Italy and Turkey

She is to geography what Diane Abbot is to maths

Not really, Abbott was poorly briefed and was unable to do mental arithmetic on the spot - a feat which is sadly lacking in the country, tbh. Somehow it's okay for an adult to say, "Oh I'm rubbish at maths" but you'd never hear someone being anything other than ashamed or embarrassed by being unable to read, dyslexia or other conditions notwithstanding.

Braverman lied.

[robmatic]

Ah yes, that well known land border between Italy and Turkey

To fair there is a land border between Italy and Turkey, it's called Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia and Bulgaria.


It does make you wonder what wall she saw, and did she buy it off whoever showed it to her?

She is presumably getting confused with the Greek-Turkish border in Thrace, which got strengthened in response to the migrant flows from Syria.

Italy and Greece are both similarly indolent Mediterranean countries so an easy mistake for a xenophobic Brit to make.

[Tichtheid]

Ah yes, that well known land border between Italy and Turkey

To fair there is a land border between Italy and Turkey, it's called Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia and Bulgaria.


It does make you wonder what wall she saw, and did she buy it off whoever showed it to her?

She is presumably getting confused with the Greek-Turkish border in Thrace, which got strengthened in response to the migrant flows from Syria.

Italy and Greece are both similarly indolent Mediterranean countries so an easy mistake for a xenophobic Brit to make.

Okay, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and downgrade "lie" to "blunder".

[Biffer]

To fair there is a land border between Italy and Turkey, it's called Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia and Bulgaria.


It does make you wonder what wall she saw, and did she buy it off whoever showed it to her?

She is presumably getting confused with the Greek-Turkish border in Thrace, which got strengthened in response to the migrant flows from Syria.

Italy and Greece are both similarly indolent Mediterranean countries so an easy mistake for a xenophobic Brit to make.

Okay, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and downgrade "lie" to "blunder".

Yeah, she did go on a trip to the land border between Greece and Turkey a couple of years back.

But comparing us to that, where the Greeks hate the Turks and are permanently ready for full on war, is a bit odd.

[Sandstorm]

It's an impressive structure at Thrace:

[SaintK]

Okay, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and downgrade "lie" to "blunder".

Nah, she lies for a living! Though she's so fucking thick she just may not have known which country she was in!

[Hal Jordan]

The people who agree with her will be emboldened, the people who disagree with her are too busy pointing out her stupidity to challenge the very dangerous premise in what she says. The cynic in me says she knows exactly what she is saying and how it will be portrayed and discussed.

[Slick]

The people who agree with her will be emboldened, the people who disagree with her are too busy pointing out her stupidity to challenge the very dangerous premise in what she says. The cynic in me says she knows exactly what she is saying and how it will be portrayed and discussed.

Nah.

It always amuses me how much credit give to politicians/governments, they are blagging it like the rest of us

[Yeeb]

Ah yes, that well known land border between Italy and Turkey

She is to geography what Diane Abbot is to maths

Not really, Abbott was poorly briefed and was unable to do mental arithmetic on the spot - a feat which is sadly lacking in the country, tbh. Somehow it's okay for an adult to say, "Oh I'm rubbish at maths" but you'd never hear someone being anything other than ashamed or embarrassed by being unable to read, dyslexia or other conditions notwithstanding.

Braverman lied.

Lolz you absolute joker, sticking up for Abbott !
They are equally incompetent and lacking in values fit for public governance, they are politicians so lying is part of the modern job core skills sadly

[I like neeps]

The people who agree with her will be emboldened, the people who disagree with her are too busy pointing out her stupidity to challenge the very dangerous premise in what she says. The cynic in me says she knows exactly what she is saying and how it will be portrayed and discussed.

Absolutely right that nobody is changing their minds.

There is less than no reason for Braverman to be speaking on a BBC radio show. She isn't a shadow minister. It's not related to her constituency work. She wasn't a long serving home secretary. And the people pointing out and guffawing at how stupid she is, you'd have thought they'd have realised that doesn't work and engaging is signal boosting her and others...

[Paddington Bear]

Strong rumours Braverman and maybe others are imminently defecting to Reform. Drip drip

[tabascoboy]

Strong rumours Braverman and maybe others are imminently defecting to Reform. Drip drip

Those rumours have been about for some time, unless they are waiting for maximum impact to announce...

[Slick]

Strong rumours Braverman and maybe others are imminently defecting to Reform. Drip drip

Those rumours have been about for some time, unless they are waiting for maximum impact to announce...

Not sure why she would go. She’s obviously very ambitious so why go somewhere where she would always be in the shadow of Farage

[C69]

Strong rumours Braverman and maybe others are imminently defecting to Reform. Drip drip

Those rumours have been about for some time, unless they are waiting for maximum impact to announce...

Not sure why she would go. She’s obviously very ambitious so why go somewhere where she would always be in the shadow of Farage

She may want to be in the same Party as her hubby *whispers

[Slick]

Those rumours have been about for some time, unless they are waiting for maximum impact to announce...

Not sure why she would go. She’s obviously very ambitious so why go somewhere where she would always be in the shadow of Farage

She may want to be in the same Party as here hubby *whispers

Who’s that?

[C69]

Not sure why she would go. She’s obviously very ambitious so why go somewhere where she would always be in the shadow of Farage

She may want to be in the same Party as here hubby *whispers

Who’s that?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sue ... ns-reform/

[SaintK]

Strong rumours Braverman and maybe others are imminently defecting to Reform. Drip drip

The idiot Frost in his Torygraph piece today is headlined:-

Reform has an early lead in the race to revive real British conservatism

Should imagine he's jumping ship soon?

[Tichtheid]

She is to geography what Diane Abbot is to maths

Not really, Abbott was poorly briefed and was unable to do mental arithmetic on the spot - a feat which is sadly lacking in the country, tbh. Somehow it's okay for an adult to say, "Oh I'm rubbish at maths" but you'd never hear someone being anything other than ashamed or embarrassed by being unable to read, dyslexia or other conditions notwithstanding.

Braverman lied.

Lolz you absolute joker, sticking up for Abbott !
They are equally incompetent and lacking in values fit for public governance, they are politicians so lying is part of the modern job core skills sadly

Does this pitch of "they're all the same" to excuse 14 years of the Tories asset-stripping the UK whilst barely concealing the corruption and undermining the rule of law actually fool anyone?

[Biffer]

Not really, Abbott was poorly briefed and was unable to do mental arithmetic on the spot - a feat which is sadly lacking in the country, tbh. Somehow it's okay for an adult to say, "Oh I'm rubbish at maths" but you'd never hear someone being anything other than ashamed or embarrassed by being unable to read, dyslexia or other conditions notwithstanding.

Braverman lied.

Lolz you absolute joker, sticking up for Abbott !
They are equally incompetent and lacking in values fit for public governance, they are politicians so lying is part of the modern job core skills sadly

Does this pitch of "they're all the same" to excuse 14 years of the Tories asset-stripping the UK whilst barely concealing the corruption and undermining the rule of law actually fool anyone?

That's the intention of it.

[Paddington Bear]

Strong rumours Braverman and maybe others are imminently defecting to Reform. Drip drip

The idiot Frost in his Torygraph piece today is headlined:-

Reform has an early lead in the race to revive real British conservatism

Should imagine he's jumping ship soon?

I’m surprised he hasn’t already, which suggests Farage has rejected his suggestion of making him Viceroy of India or something similar

[Plim]

Not really, Abbott was poorly briefed and was unable to do mental arithmetic on the spot - a feat which is sadly lacking in the country, tbh. Somehow it's okay for an adult to say, "Oh I'm rubbish at maths" but you'd never hear someone being anything other than ashamed or embarrassed by being unable to read, dyslexia or other conditions notwithstanding.

Braverman lied.

Lolz you absolute joker, sticking up for Abbott !
They are equally incompetent and lacking in values fit for public governance, they are politicians so lying is part of the modern job core skills sadly

Does this pitch of "they're all the same" to excuse 14 years of the Tories asset-stripping the UK whilst barely concealing the corruption and undermining the rule of law actually fool anyone?

I can rarely be bothered any longer to post on political or current affairs threads on NPR .

A few years ago I spent time on a summer holiday sun lounger pointing out how disgraceful the Good Law Project litigation's waste of public money was and how its campaign was the most objectionable lawfare ever waged. Not a single Labourite/SNP/Lib etc poster on here ever accepted the truth of that, despite the court outcomes vindicating the government and civil service and the subsequent more-or-less winding up of the GLP.

But I can't let this shit pass.

Sturgeon's husband has been charged with embezzlement. Sturgeon remains under investigation. Labour has been endlessly ridiculed for freebies and private jet flights - which it complained about persistently when the Tories were in. Labour ended most WFA payments to OAPs, which it vehemently opposed ten months before it took office. Not a single charge against any Tory minister has been brought for fraud. The 'Corruption Tsar' is unlikely ever to bring a single case - because a bad bargain over covid procurement, especially in a time of urgent anti-infectious disease measures, is not fraud.

The corruption and hypocrisy in British (and NI) politics is there, sure, but it's no more evident or proven among Tories than anyone else.

[fishfoodie]

Strong rumours Braverman and maybe others are imminently defecting to Reform. Drip drip

The idiot Frost in his Torygraph piece today is headlined:-

Reform has an early lead in the race to revive real British conservatism

Should imagine he's jumping ship soon?

I’m surprised he hasn’t already, which suggests Farage has rejected his suggestion of making him Viceroy of India or something similar

The cost of widening all the doors in their HQ, to accommodate another monstrous big head would need all of Space Karens £80M

[Tichtheid]

Lolz you absolute joker, sticking up for Abbott !
They are equally incompetent and lacking in values fit for public governance, they are politicians so lying is part of the modern job core skills sadly

Does this pitch of "they're all the same" to excuse 14 years of the Tories asset-stripping the UK whilst barely concealing the corruption and undermining the rule of law actually fool anyone?

I can rarely be bothered any longer to post on political or current affairs threads on NPR .

A few years ago I spent time on a summer holiday sun lounger pointing out how disgraceful the Good Law Project litigation's waste of public money was and how its campaign was the most objectionable lawfare ever waged. Not a single Labourite/SNP/Lib etc poster on here ever accepted the truth of that, despite the court outcomes vindicating the government and civil service and the subsequent more-or-less winding up of the GLP.

But I can't let this shit pass.

Sturgeon's husband has been charged with embezzlement. Sturgeon remains under investigation. Labour has been endlessly ridiculed for freebies and private jet flights - which it complained about persistently when the Tories were in. Labour ended most WFA payments to OAPs, which it vehemently opposed ten months before it took office. Not a single charge against any Tory minister has been brought for fraud. The 'Corruption Tsar' is unlikely ever to bring a single case - because a bad bargain over covid procurement, especially in a time of urgent anti-infectious disease measures, is not fraud.

The corruption and hypocrisy in British (and NI) politics is there, sure, but it's no more evident or proven among Tories than anyone else.

During these comparisons I sometimes think of Father Ted explaining to Dougal that the plastic cow in his hand is small but it looks big because it's right in front of him, whilst the real cow looks small because it's far away.

Organisations like GLP, Open Democracy and even Led By Donkeys are, in different ways, trying to hold politicians to account. GLP wasn't what I was talking about but since you mentioned it I looked up their website, they have a Google Docs sheet laying out their win and loss ratio. I'm sure you're not interested or I would have posted a link, in any event they still seem to be active.

I'm not really talking about free spectacles or tickets for The Arsenal, I'm more talking about lobbying, using London for money laundering from across the world, foreign money in UK politics, use of libel laws to silence investigative journalists, selling off UK natural assets to private companies where legally the shareholder has to come first etc.

There was a bad smell coming from a meeting in Scotland between Labour and Bloomberg last year, but I haven't heard anything more about it - mainly due to the fact I haven't had time in recent months because of selling and buying a house and moving back to Scotland - that has taken the best part of a year. Labour haven't been in power long enough yet to see how they are faring

I saw last week that Farrage has taken something over £300K from second jobs since becoming an MP (he hasn't voted in anything the "They Work For You" site records yet). He took forty grand from a lobbying firm for a company that advises on tax havens, offshoring money, how to get numerous passports and citizenships to optimise capital and avoid taxation.

Os posted a good video on all of this a while back. I might see if I can find it, or if Os reads this, maybe he will

If Labour turn out to be as bad as the Tories then I will of course attack them as much as I have the Owen Pattersons and David Camerons and others

One final point about the law on this, you can set up an offshore shell company and use that as a financial tool to do anything from donating money from elsewhere to political parties here or moving money abroad- what's great about it is that it's perfectly legal and no one has to declare it on a register of interests.
The point being, obviously, "No one has been prosecuted" means nothing in these circumstances.

[Yeeb]

Not really, Abbott was poorly briefed and was unable to do mental arithmetic on the spot - a feat which is sadly lacking in the country, tbh. Somehow it's okay for an adult to say, "Oh I'm rubbish at maths" but you'd never hear someone being anything other than ashamed or embarrassed by being unable to read, dyslexia or other conditions notwithstanding.

Braverman lied.

Lolz you absolute joker, sticking up for Abbott !
They are equally incompetent and lacking in values fit for public governance, they are politicians so lying is part of the modern job core skills sadly

Does this pitch of "they're all the same" to excuse 14 years of the Tories asset-stripping the UK whilst barely concealing the corruption and undermining the rule of law actually fool anyone?

Genuinely unsure what you exactly mean re asset stripping , or how that links to me laughing at your denial in equivalence between different political idiots. On the other thread , there are several pages about yet another dodgy Labour ethnic money thing , and you have the absolute brass neck to deny how there are similarities between the parties in their corruption , faux pas , unfit for rule ?


I see that Plim guy has already shot you down and given you a beating , Tories = bad, Labour = good, it’s ok we understand your point of view ;)


Ps no doubt you think no asset stripping or corruption or illegal wars occurred in the 13 years of Labour in power before that, no sir, totally different there….

You plum joker

[Tichtheid]

Lolz you absolute joker, sticking up for Abbott !
They are equally incompetent and lacking in values fit for public governance, they are politicians so lying is part of the modern job core skills sadly

Does this pitch of "they're all the same" to excuse 14 years of the Tories asset-stripping the UK whilst barely concealing the corruption and undermining the rule of law actually fool anyone?

Genuinely unsure what you exactly mean re asset stripping , or how that links to me laughing at your denial in equivalence between different political idiots. On the other thread , there are several pages about yet another dodgy Labour ethnic money thing , and you have the absolute brass neck to deny how there are similarities between the parties in their corruption , faux pas , unfit for rule ?


I see that Plim guy has already shot you down and given you a beating , Tories = bad, Labour = good, it’s ok we understand your point of view ;)


Ps no doubt you think no asset stripping or corruption or illegal wars occurred in the 13 years of Labour in power before that, no sir, totally different there….

You plum joker

Oh dear.

Does this mean we can't be friends, dear Yeeb?

[Yeeb]

Sadly yes, I couldn’t be pals with myopic supporters of abbot & team nonce-protect

[SaintK]

Sadly yes, I couldn’t be pals with myopic supporters of abbot & team nonce-protect

How'd you work that out then?
Head back to PR then. The cess pit that is the UK Politics thread there will be much more to your taste.

[Tichtheid]

Sadly yes, I couldn’t be pals with myopic supporters of abbot & team nonce-protect

But Yeeb, I thought we had so much common ground - in my view there is a difference in scale between the individuals in terms of unsuitability for office, but that doesn't mean I actually support either of them. You've got to think, man, not just see what you want to in a post. I'm trying to help you here.

Same with the parties, I haven't voted for Labour since 2005 and have no intention of doing so again unless it's the only viable option of keeping an extreme right winger out. I get the feeling that you haven't been a full-throated supporter of Starmer, Corbyn or Blair - again, common ground. I really think we could be getting somewhere here, we could be mates, talking about all sorts of groovy stuff - Russian and Chinese money in UK politics, a legal system which protects that money, offshoring and tax dodging, lobbying. We could have a right old time.

[Yeeb]

Sadly yes, I couldn’t be pals with myopic supporters of abbot & team nonce-protect

How'd you work that out then?
Head back to PR then. The cess pit that is the UK Politics thread there will be much more to your taste.

Some irisher perma me there , as he couldn’t take the craig when I gave him Rizz about reminding him of admitting he abused his kids. I even quoted his own posts to help jog his memory , sadly it didn’t help him

[Yeeb]

Sadly yes, I couldn’t be pals with myopic supporters of abbot & team nonce-protect

But Yeeb, I thought we had so much common ground - in my view there is a difference in scale between the individuals in terms of unsuitability for office, but that doesn't mean I actually support either of them. You've got to think, man, not just see what you want to in a post. I'm trying to help you here.

Same with the parties, I haven't voted for Labour since 2005 and have no intention of doing so again unless it's the only viable option of keeping an extreme right winger out. I get the feeling that you haven't been a full-throated supporter of Starmer, Corbyn or Blair - again, common ground. I really think we could be getting somewhere here, we could be mates, talking about all sorts of groovy stuff - Russian and Chinese money in UK politics, a legal system which protects that money, offshoring and tax dodging, lobbying. We could have a right old time.

And to me there isn’t really any difference in scale as to their uselessness - so what ?

Past ten out of ten for being utterly shit for public office, there isn’t really a Spinal tap turn up dial to 11. You somehow saying they are especially different , is baffling

[SaintK]

Sadly yes, I couldn’t be pals with myopic supporters of abbot & team nonce-protect

How'd you work that out then?
Head back to PR then. The cess pit that is the UK Politics thread there will be much more to your taste.

Some irisher perma me there , as he couldn’t take the craig when I gave him Rizz about reminding him of admitting he abused his kids. I even quoted his own posts to help jog his memory , sadly it didn’t help him

Oh dear!!!!!

[Tichtheid]

Sadly yes, I couldn’t be pals with myopic supporters of abbot & team nonce-protect

But Yeeb, I thought we had so much common ground - in my view there is a difference in scale between the individuals in terms of unsuitability for office, but that doesn't mean I actually support either of them. You've got to think, man, not just see what you want to in a post. I'm trying to help you here.

Same with the parties, I haven't voted for Labour since 2005 and have no intention of doing so again unless it's the only viable option of keeping an extreme right winger out. I get the feeling that you haven't been a full-throated supporter of Starmer, Corbyn or Blair - again, common ground. I really think we could be getting somewhere here, we could be mates, talking about all sorts of groovy stuff - Russian and Chinese money in UK politics, a legal system which protects that money, offshoring and tax dodging, lobbying. We could have a right old time.

And to me there isn’t really any difference in scale as to their uselessness - so what ?

Past ten out of ten for being utterly shit for public office, there isn’t really a Spinal tap turn up dial to 11. You somehow saying they are especially different , is baffling

Yeeb, now that we are mates I'm going to have to do what any friend would and advise you not focus so much on the minutiae, we can't let an impasse on whether a gaffe or two is the same as instances of professional misconduct bog us down.

We have bigger fish to fry, I found the video I mentioned before - it's from March '22 and asks the question "Is the government prepared to put sanctions that really bite on the tycoons, tax dodgers, kleptocrats and crooks who come to the UK to launder their money, dodge tax and buy political influence?"

https://www.youtube.com/live/9Pf-Dx_fu2k?feature=shared

The Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Act received Royal Assent on Thursday 26 October 2023. Unfortunately it was full of loopholes https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/how-to ... overnment/

I hope the current government can do better

[yermum]

Sadly yes, I couldn’t be pals with myopic supporters of abbot & team nonce-protect

How'd you work that out then?
Head back to PR then. The cess pit that is the UK Politics thread there will be much more to your taste.

Some irisher perma me there , as he couldn’t take the craig when I gave him Rizz about reminding him of admitting he abused his kids. I even quoted his own posts to help jog his memory , sadly it didn’t help him

Rizz ffs man…

[SaintK]

Sturmbannführer Jenrick on manouvres again!!!

Conservative Party divides have deepened after Robert Jenrick supporting activists, who aided his leadership ambitions, set up a new party forum called “Blue Monday” earlier this week, The London Economic can reveal.
The group of nearly 400 pro-Jenrick supporters, including “councillors and MPs,” have secretly criticised the communication skills of Kemi Badenoch since it launched on Monday morning.
Its description reads: “The Blue Monday Community is committed to advocating for and supporting the Conservative Party”. Before its name change, it was called “Conservatives for Jenrick” and supported the former immigration minister’s leadership campaign.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/pol ... -387811/