Springbokke next 4 years to 2027

[‘tsek]

Koch seemed very petulant (training in the heat scene), not sure if he was serious. Schalk Brits looked class.

[assfly]

Watched it too yesterday on that YouTube Channel. Great documentary. Those bits and interviews with Eben also caught my attention, he seems to be a really nice guy. Never heard him speak before i think.
Other than that it was great to see the psychological built up to the RWC, beginning with Wellington 2018. It all went exactly according to Rassies plan, it is great to see and hear his thoughts on that in hindsight.
Herschels story is fantastic, what bok debut he had. Best part was Eben: "why didnt you score under the posts??"
Great stuff, looking forward to ep. 3.
Rassie didnt look healthy though, hope he is better by now.

The part where he told them to settle for the bonus point loss, and then starts screaming down the microphone "did they get my message!!!"

Another player that caught my eye was Kolisi. I've always been quite critical of him as a captain as he comes across as very shy in front of cameras and on the field, but I've seen another dimension to him in this show, where he really comes across as the leader in the changerooms and training field.

[boere wors]

Koch seemed very petulant (training in the heat scene), not sure if he was serious. Schalk Brits looked class.

Nah, Koch was joking. I laughed out loud.
Brits is probably the most likeable guy in world rugby. I can understand why Rassie persisted with including him in the squad. Always positive, always smiling, always humble. What a gent and what a team man! You need guys like him if you are on the road for 19 weeks with 30 men

[handyman]

Koch seemed very petulant (training in the heat scene), not sure if he was serious. Schalk Brits looked class.

Koch was joking. In any event, no way they would show footage in the show of a Springbok being petulant.

[handyman]

Best part about the show was where Jantjies came on the field for Faf, Schalk Brits walked in front of him with a big smile, making jokes with the youngster to keep him calm and Pollard just told Jantjies to relax and play the game.

[handyman]

Watched it too yesterday on that YouTube Channel. Great documentary. Those bits and interviews with Eben also caught my attention, he seems to be a really nice guy. Never heard him speak before i think.
Other than that it was great to see the psychological built up to the RWC, beginning with Wellington 2018. It all went exactly according to Rassies plan, it is great to see and hear his thoughts on that in hindsight.
Herschels story is fantastic, what bok debut he had. Best part was Eben: "why didnt you score under the posts??"
Great stuff, looking forward to ep. 3.
Rassie didnt look healthy though, hope he is better by now.

The part where he told them to settle for the bonus point loss, and then starts screaming down the microphone "did they get my message!!!"

Another player that caught my eye was Kolisi. I've always been quite critical of him as a captain as he comes across as very shy in front of cameras and on the field, but I've seen another dimension to him in this show, where he really comes across as the leader in the changerooms and training field.

And Rassie saying that the players decided : fcuk you Rassie, we're going for the win.

[assfly]

And Rassie saying that the players decided : fcuk you Rassie, we're going for the win.

Unbelievable. Goosebumps.

[boere wors]

Best part about the show was where Jantjies came on the field for Faf, Schalk Brits walked in front of him with a big smile, making jokes with the youngster to keep him calm and Pollard just told Jantjies to relax and play the game.

Yeah that was so nice, Brits is ace! Also Frans after the game congratulating him...

"Whats the Plan???" - " Relax!" What a cool answer from Pollard

All shows that they were/are really a team with a healthy culture and mindset, no egos.

[boere wors]

Rassie: "You dont need the best people for the job. You need the right people!"
So true!

[assfly]

Rassie: "You dont need the best people for the job. You need the right people!"
So true!

That sums him up completely. I never felt that confident going into the world cup as I felt he left some of our best (in my opinion) players at home. I didn't see the point in selecting Brits in the squad until you start to see the effect he has on the team off the field.

Humble pie tastes absolutely delicious.

[Sards]

Rassie: "You dont need the best people for the job. You need the right people!"
So true!

That sums him up completely. I never felt that confident going into the world cup as I felt he left some of our best (in my opinion) players at home. I didn't see the point in selecting Brits in the squad until you start to see the effect he has on the team off the field.

Humble pie tastes absolutely delicious.

I met him...hes my bud....arms around me etc.......

Very determined and bloody minded

[average joe]

That print was still hanging in the dark room when you were calling for his head Sards.

[assfly]

I met him...hes my bud....arms around me etc.......

Very determined and bloody minded

In fact, things turned around not long after you met him. Must have had quite the impact, whatever you whispered in his ear.

[handyman]

I met him...hes my bud....arms around me etc.......

Very determined and bloody minded

In fact, things turned around not long after you met him. Must have had quite the impact, whatever you whispered in his ear.

Rassie picked a team full of Stormers. Sards outed as a Province fan.

[Sards]

I met him...hes my bud....arms around me etc.......

Very determined and bloody minded

In fact, things turned around not long after you met him. Must have had quite the impact, whatever you whispered in his ear.

Rassie picked a team full of Stormers. Sards outed as a Province fan.

Its quite different talking to a person that has a plan...and can articulate it.....I still remember how he described his way forward...ticked all his boxes so kudos to him.
His Clown college bias was annoying...he could have done the same with far superior players from other provinces but I understand that he knew that the Clown College was in dire financial straights and that by offering Springbok contracts to their players he helped the financial burden the Union was faced with...and they are all team mates he had grown with , so had his back.

No, I cannot fault Rassie..........

[assfly]

For anyone interested, Squidge Rugby has just done a 2-part analysis of the "Brighton Miracle", when Japan beat us in 2015.

I highly recommend it. His analysis is like nothing I've ever seen, and serves as example of how thoroughly out-coached we were that day by Eddie Jones.

[Sandstorm]

Piss off! I’ve already seen that live.

[assfly]

Piss off! I’ve already seen that live.

It helped with my therapy.

[‘tsek]

For anyone interested, Squidge Rugby has just done a 2-part analysis of the "Brighton Miracle", when Japan beat us in 2015.

I highly recommend it. His analysis is like nothing I've ever seen, and serves as example of how thoroughly out-coached we were that day by Eddie Jones.

Masochism much?

I don't think I will be able to watch it, this time it won't be the soft toys he uses as props, the way anything Welsh seems to give him instant sexual gratification or the irritating whiny intro.

Do like some of his other stuff though.

[assfly]

Masochism much?

I don't think I will be able to watch it, this time it won't be the soft toys he uses as props, the way anything Welsh seems to give him instant sexual gratification or the irritating whiny intro.

Do like some of his other stuff though.

Suit yourself. But it's very interesting and gives as much insight to Eddie Jones' coaching as it does to how Japan executed his plans.

The run up to that try in particular is fascinating. The Japanese deliberately targeted JdV in an earlier phase to ensure he wasn't directing the defence when they went for the corner.

[handyman]

Some reports surfacing that the Springboks will tomorrow officially withdraw from TRC.

[Blake]

For anyone interested, Squidge Rugby has just done a 2-part analysis of the "Brighton Miracle", when Japan beat us in 2015.

I highly recommend it. His analysis is like nothing I've ever seen, and serves as example of how thoroughly out-coached we were that day by Eddie Jones.

I watched those as they came out. Painful, but interesting.

It just shows how Meyer was out of his depth. The game evolved since his days at the Bulls and couches like Henry and Jones were able to outsmart him and his coaching staff.

Jones knew exactly what to expect from the Boks and prepped for it. Meyer had no idea what Japan was going to do.

[assfly]

I watched those as they came out. Painful, but interesting.

It just shows how Meyer was out of his depth. The game evolved since his days at the Bulls and couches like Henry and Jones were able to outsmart him and his coaching staff.

Jones knew exactly what to expect from the Boks and prepped for it. Meyer had no idea what Japan was going to do.

Agreed. It was quite obvious that Jones was basing a gameplan on fast phases. But we made no adjustment all game despite them making their intentions clear from the outset.

[Sards]

I watched those as they came out. Painful, but interesting.

It just shows how Meyer was out of his depth. The game evolved since his days at the Bulls and couches like Henry and Jones were able to outsmart him and his coaching staff.

Jones knew exactly what to expect from the Boks and prepped for it. Meyer had no idea what Japan was going to do.

Agreed. It was quite obvious that Jones was basing a gameplan on fast phases. But we made no adjustment all game despite them making their intentions clear from the outset.

We had pensioners playing for the boks at that tournament. We were always going to be destroyed by faster and more dynamic sides. JDV should never have been captain or part of the team. Same as s number of players.

[boere wors]

Watched Episode 2 of Chasing the Sun after some good samaritan uploaded it to YouTube.

It's so good. Amazing to see players away from the usual media exposures. So funny to see a guy like Eben goofing around in the changeroom.

Do you remember that channels name? I'm looking for ep. 3.

[assfly]

Do you remember that channels name? I'm looking for ep. 3.

I don't, and looks like it's been pulled. I'll keep looking.

[boere wors]

Do you remember that channels name? I'm looking for ep. 3.

I don't, and looks like it's been pulled. I'll keep looking.

Ja, the ep 2 is off air. Likewise, if i find a link I will post it here.

[OomStruisbaai]

Open thread for this.
http://notplanetrugby.com/viewtopic.php ... 9cf82bac60

[boere wors]

There it is, same channel again, THE RUGBY GURU. Better hurry, will also get pulled soon

[assfly]

Watching the Champions Cup Final on the weekend, I was struck by how much Finn Russel of Racing 92 reminds me of Willie le Roux. He's an absolute bag of dynamite, and will score or setup a dazzling pass one minute, and make a rookie error in the other. But a team like Racing seem to have built a team structure to compliment him.

[Blake]

Watching the Champions Cup Final on the weekend, I was struck by how much Finn Russel of Racing 92 reminds me of Willie le Roux. He's an absolute bag of dynamite, and will score or setup a dazzling pass one minute, and make a rookie error in the other. But a team like Racing seem to have built a team structure to compliment him.

Agreed.

Willie can be infuriating to watch and has a crazy error count sometimes...but then he sets up the pass to Kolbe that results in the Jantjies score that results in a draw against the All Blacks away.
Or joins the line and set up a pin-point flat pass for a try like no other SA player.

I've always had a preference for a safe, bankable, last-line-of-defense fullback...but the last one we had was Percy.
If I had to choose between an error-prone Willie vs an error-prone Zane Kirchner nor Andries Coetzee, it's a no-brainer.
I have to admit, I'm really worried about our back-ups at 15 because none of Willemse, Bosch or Galant really fill me with much confidence.

[handyman]

Watching the Champions Cup Final on the weekend, I was struck by how much Finn Russel of Racing 92 reminds me of Willie le Roux. He's an absolute bag of dynamite, and will score or setup a dazzling pass one minute, and make a rookie error in the other. But a team like Racing seem to have built a team structure to compliment him.

Agreed.

Willie can be infuriating to watch and has a crazy error count sometimes...but then he sets up the pass to Kolbe that results in the Jantjies score that results in a draw against the All Blacks away.
Or joins the line and set up a pin-point flat pass for a try like no other SA player.

I've always had a preference for a safe, bankable, last-line-of-defense fullback...but the last one we had was Percy.
If I had to choose between an error-prone Willie vs an error-prone Zane Kirchner nor Andries Coetzee, it's a no-brainer.
I have to admit, I'm really worried about our back-ups at 15 because none of Willemse, Bosch or Galant really fill me with much confidence.

I think Willemse can turn into a good fullback. He is a solid lad, can kick out of hand, not shy to run it to the line and a very good defender. It also might take away his approach of trying to create magic with every touch.

[assfly]

Agreed.

Willie can be infuriating to watch and has a crazy error count sometimes...but then he sets up the pass to Kolbe that results in the Jantjies score that results in a draw against the All Blacks away.
Or joins the line and set up a pin-point flat pass for a try like no other SA player.

I've always had a preference for a safe, bankable, last-line-of-defense fullback...but the last one we had was Percy.
If I had to choose between an error-prone Willie vs an error-prone Zane Kirchner nor Andries Coetzee, it's a no-brainer.
I have to admit, I'm really worried about our back-ups at 15 because none of Willemse, Bosch or Galant really fill me with much confidence.

Willie has to start against the BIL. I know I'm biased, but the only other person whose name is in the hate is Fassi. But ideally he really needs another season behind him. Good chance they'll be coming up against Stuart Hogg, who is more likely to attack the line than go for up and unders (at least that's what he's been doing for Exeter).

[Blake]

Willie can be infuriating to watch and has a crazy error count sometimes...but then he sets up the pass to Kolbe that results in the Jantjies score that results in a draw against the All Blacks away.
Or joins the line and set up a pin-point flat pass for a try like no other SA player.

I've always had a preference for a safe, bankable, last-line-of-defense fullback...but the last one we had was Percy.
If I had to choose between an error-prone Willie vs an error-prone Zane Kirchner nor Andries Coetzee, it's a no-brainer.
I have to admit, I'm really worried about our back-ups at 15 because none of Willemse, Bosch or Galant really fill me with much confidence.

I think Willemse can turn into a good fullback. He is a solid lad, can kick out of hand, not shy to run it to the line and a very good defender. It also might take away his approach of trying to create magic with every touch.

I'm over the Willemse hype. I've given him enough time to live up to it and he never fails to disappoint.
The difference between him and a player like Willie, is that Willie creates opportunities for his team mates to put another player into space.
Willemse just doesn't do that...he tries to sidestep every single opposition player to make a break himself.
You almost never see him try to put a teammate into space. He is a selfish player and all the hype is based on his achievements at flyhalf where his selfish play reaped rewards at lower levels.

He might eventually live up to his hype at some point in his career, but he is going to drastically change his game and the way he plays.

[handyman]

Willie can be infuriating to watch and has a crazy error count sometimes...but then he sets up the pass to Kolbe that results in the Jantjies score that results in a draw against the All Blacks away.
Or joins the line and set up a pin-point flat pass for a try like no other SA player.

I've always had a preference for a safe, bankable, last-line-of-defense fullback...but the last one we had was Percy.
If I had to choose between an error-prone Willie vs an error-prone Zane Kirchner nor Andries Coetzee, it's a no-brainer.
I have to admit, I'm really worried about our back-ups at 15 because none of Willemse, Bosch or Galant really fill me with much confidence.

I think Willemse can turn into a good fullback. He is a solid lad, can kick out of hand, not shy to run it to the line and a very good defender. It also might take away his approach of trying to create magic with every touch.

I'm over the Willemse hype. I've given him enough time to live up to it and he never fails to disappoint.
The difference between him and a player like Willie, is that Willie creates opportunities for his team mates to put another player into space.
Willemse just doesn't do that...he tries to sidestep every single opposition player to make a break himself.
You almost never see him try to put a teammate into space. He is a selfish player and all the hype is based on his achievements at flyhalf where his selfish play reaped rewards at lower levels.

He might eventually live up to his hype at some point in his career, but he is going to drastically change his game and the way he plays.

I agree with you re Willemse, BUT, he is only 22, he is still learning his craft, so I'm prepared give him another few years. Remember, Willie first played SupeRugby aged 23 and for the Boks his first test was aged 24.

Willemse has time on his side, let's hope all the people hyping him are right and that he will come through in the end. Writing players off aged 22 is daft.

[Blake]

Agreed.

Willie can be infuriating to watch and has a crazy error count sometimes...but then he sets up the pass to Kolbe that results in the Jantjies score that results in a draw against the All Blacks away.
Or joins the line and set up a pin-point flat pass for a try like no other SA player.

I've always had a preference for a safe, bankable, last-line-of-defense fullback...but the last one we had was Percy.
If I had to choose between an error-prone Willie vs an error-prone Zane Kirchner nor Andries Coetzee, it's a no-brainer.
I have to admit, I'm really worried about our back-ups at 15 because none of Willemse, Bosch or Galant really fill me with much confidence.

Willie has to start against the BIL. I know I'm biased, but the only other person whose name is in the hate is Fassi. But ideally he really needs another season behind him. Good chance they'll be coming up against Stuart Hogg, who is more likely to attack the line than go for up and unders (at least that's what he's been doing for Exeter).

Fassi was having a very impressive Super Rugby run before the season was cancelled. Definitely my choice for backup should Willie not be available.
The other option is obviously Frans Steyn at 15.

Galant has been such a disappointment for me. At some point I really thought he'd be the odds-on favourite to make the 15 jersey his own. I've said it a couple of times on here, and I'm probably way off the mark, but each time he makes a break or a great play, I see shades of Kurley Beale. But man he can also have a stinker of a game if he wants to.

[Sards]

Watching the Champions Cup Final on the weekend, I was struck by how much Finn Russel of Racing 92 reminds me of Willie le Roux. He's an absolute bag of dynamite, and will score or setup a dazzling pass one minute, and make a rookie error in the other. But a team like Racing seem to have built a team structure to compliment him.

Agreed.

Willie can be infuriating to watch and has a crazy error count sometimes...but then he sets up the pass to Kolbe that results in the Jantjies score that results in a draw against the All Blacks away.
Or joins the line and set up a pin-point flat pass for a try like no other SA player.

I've always had a preference for a safe, bankable, last-line-of-defense fullback...but the last one we had was Percy.
If I had to choose between an error-prone Willie vs an error-prone Zane Kirchner nor Andries Coetzee, it's a no-brainer.
I have to admit, I'm really worried about our back-ups at 15 because none of Willemse, Bosch or Galant really fill me with much confidence.

I think Willemse can turn into a good fullback. He is a solid lad, can kick out of hand, not shy to run it to the line and a very good defender. It also might take away his approach of trying to create magic with every touch.

Watch Odendaals run for Jantjies try...watch the last defender...watch how he throws himself onto the floor like a petulant child and has a mini tantrum whilst Odendaal ghosts past him without a hand touching him.....

[Blake]

I agree with you re Willemse, BUT, he is only 22, he is still learning his craft, so I'm prepared give him another few years. Remember, Willie first played SupeRugby aged 23 and for the Boks his first test was aged 24.

Willemse has time on his side, let's hope all the people hyping him are right and that he will come through in the end. Writing players off aged 22 is daft.

Agree that he is still a kid and will mature as a player. I'm looking forward to that.
Just saying he's not there yet, and I'm not going to pretend that he is.

At the moment he is not impressing at flyhalf at all and our backline is useless.
In the passed we blamed the 9 or 12 for that, but 9 has been sorted now, so the blame has to go to 10.
If he is too young to be an effective general at this level, we need to start with somebody else and sub Willemse in in the last quarter to develop his game.

[Blake]

Watch Odendaals run for Jantjies try...watch the last defender...watch how he throws himself onto the floor like a petulant child and has a mini tantrum whilst Odendaal ghosts past him without a hand touching him.....

Many great defenders have been beaten by a step in a one-on-one situation. It's always frustrating and humiliating when it happens.
I suspect since he is such a great stepper himself, it annoys him even more to get some of his own medicine.

But I tend to somewhat agree with you here.
There is a difference between defending at 10 and defending at 15.
At 10 I think Willemse's defense is second only to Pollard, but at 15 his defense needs a lot of work.

[Sards]

I am over this kid...most overrated player ever to play the game at senior level...

His actions speak for themselves....he is a spoilt and petulant kid who thinks the sun shines out of his arse because Ouboet , the press and all of WP hyped him so much.