So, coronavirus...

[fishfoodie]

29/10/20
Cases: 23,065
Deaths: 280 (up from 189 last thurs)

Are the guidelines in the UK still that you only go for a test if you have symptoms ?

if so, the fact that so many are asymptomatic cases means, that you already probably have 100k cases per day ?

[TB63]

Not too sure what signoficance 12,000 mutations means tbh.
However it puts OS posts on this matter into pwespective.

Its still the same strain, I assume they have detected 12,000 minuscule variations in the virus around the globe.

c69 you are at the cutting edge surely you knew all about these 12,000 mutations (that no one is talking about)

Do you realise 1 miniscule mutation could negate any vaccine currently in development? ..

[Biffer]

Not too sure what signoficance 12,000 mutations means tbh.
However it puts OS posts on this matter into pwespective.

Its still the same strain, I assume they have detected 12,000 minuscule variations in the virus around the globe.

c69 you are at the cutting edge surely you knew all about these 12,000 mutations (that no one is talking about)

Do you realise 1 miniscule mutation could negate any vaccine currently in development? ..

Is it actually as simple as that? I thought the vaccines were generally targeting the spike protein, and that was the method of entry into cells used by the virus? If that mutates there's a good possibility it wouldn't be anywhere near as infectious. So a mutation of that type wouldn't transmit and become a dominant strain. I'm no biologist / virologist though so that might be bullshit.

[Openside]

Not too sure what signoficance 12,000 mutations means tbh.
However it puts OS posts on this matter into pwespective.

Its still the same strain, I assume they have detected 12,000 minuscule variations in the virus around the globe.

c69 you are at the cutting edge surely you knew all about these 12,000 mutations (that no one is talking about)

Do you realise 1 miniscule mutation could negate any vaccine currently in development? ..

since there have allegedly been 12,000 of them we are clearly spunking more money up the proverbial gum tree

[Tilly Orifice]

Its still the same strain, I assume they have detected 12,000 minuscule variations in the virus around the globe.

c69 you are at the cutting edge surely you knew all about these 12,000 mutations (that no one is talking about)

Do you realise 1 miniscule mutation could negate any vaccine currently in development? ..

since there have allegedly been 12,000 of them we are clearly spunking more money up the proverbial gum tree

Could, but wouldn't necessarily, perhaps.

[Ovals]

Do you realise 1 miniscule mutation could negate any vaccine currently in development? ..

since there have allegedly been 12,000 of them we are clearly spunking more money up the proverbial gum tree

Could, but wouldn't necessarily, perhaps.

Fear not OS - the chances of a successful vaccine remain pretty good.

the slow and mild nature of the mutations is good news for a vaccine.

“The virus is still so similar now to the initial sequence that there isn’t really much reason to think the differences will matter in terms of vaccine,” Neuman said.

Vaccines, in general, tend to target an early version of the virus.

Take the flu vaccine, for example.

“The H1N1 annual vaccine is still using a strain from 2009. It’s the ancestor of the various forms that have come after, and while there are differences now, a response against the ancestor seems to give good results against all the descendants,” Neuman said.

Usually, an older strain of a virus will “preserve enough features” that it will provide immunity against a whole group of variants, Neuman adds.

But the flu virus mutates fast and erratically from year to year.

On top of that, our immune system “has a terrible memory for flu viruses,” Neuman said, noting that the immune response to the flu only lasts around a year before we need to get revaccinated.

Schleiss says a better analogy for COVID-19 is the mumps. For more than 45 years, we’ve had a very effective vaccine for measles, mumps, and rubella (which are also RNA viruses).

“These viruses have not mutated [enough] to escape the protection provided by the vaccines,” Rose said. The same could very well apply to COVID-19.

“It should be possible to make an effective COVID-19 vaccine that will provide long-lasting immunity against this particular virus just as we have for many other viruses that do not change rapidly,” Rose added.

[Uncle fester]

Not too sure what signoficance 12,000 mutations means tbh.
However it puts OS posts on this matter into pwespective.

Its still the same strain, I assume they have detected 12,000 minuscule variations in the virus around the globe.

c69 you are at the cutting edge surely you knew all about these 12,000 mutations (that no one is talking about)

Once again, you are talking out your blowhole.
The variant currently making it's way around Europe is a new strain that possibly originated in Spain during the summer.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/e ... -1.4394152

[Biffer]

Strong correlation between eat out to help out scheme and increased infections

https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics ... 7.2020.pdf

That was half a billion quid well spent.

[Sandstorm]

Strong correlation between eat out to help out scheme and increased infections

https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics ... 7.2020.pdf

That was half a billion quid well spent.

52 pages??? tl;dr

[robmatic]

Strong correlation between eat out to help out scheme and increased infections

https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics ... 7.2020.pdf

That was half a billion quid well spent.

No doubt they will do it again as well.

[Biffer]

Strong correlation between eat out to help out scheme and increased infections

https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics ... 7.2020.pdf

That was half a billion quid well spent.

52 pages??? tl;dr

Yeah, but for the modern attention span the lead author has highlighted a few things on twitter.

[Sandstorm]

Strong correlation between eat out to help out scheme and increased infections

https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics ... 7.2020.pdf

That was half a billion quid well spent.

52 pages??? tl;dr

Yeah, but for the modern attention span the lead author has highlighted a few things on twitter.

Saving businesses, not lives. Our resident Scots millionaires will be delighted.

[Sandstorm]

So I dispatched a networking engineer to a customer site in Indiana, USA this morning. Bloke completes a Covid19 online declaration last night at 7pm. "I'm all healthy"
Turns up this morning with a temperature and a fever and is surprised the client won't let him access their offices.

Genius.

[Openside]

Not too sure what signoficance 12,000 mutations means tbh.
However it puts OS posts on this matter into pwespective.

Its still the same strain, I assume they have detected 12,000 minuscule variations in the virus around the globe.

c69 you are at the cutting edge surely you knew all about these 12,000 mutations (that no one is talking about)

Once again, you are talking out your blowhole.
The variant currently making it's way around Europe is a new strain that possibly originated in Spain during the summer.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/e ... -1.4394152

That is a majority in Ireland, besides the only relevant point is if the vaccine they are working on doesn't 'work' for both strains.

[Rinkals]

Its still the same strain, I assume they have detected 12,000 minuscule variations in the virus around the globe.

c69 you are at the cutting edge surely you knew all about these 12,000 mutations (that no one is talking about)

Once again, you are talking out your blowhole.
The variant currently making it's way around Europe is a new strain that possibly originated in Spain during the summer.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/e ... -1.4394152

That is a majority in Ireland, besides the only relevant point is if the vaccine they are working on doesn't 'work' for both strains.

We are very fortunate in having an expert in the field of virology such as yourself on the bored.

Who is going to tell the various institutions currently working on a virus that their efforts are wasted in view of the 12,000 mutations?

[Sandstorm]

“Both strains of Covid 19”

OS reading Bookface Science Today again?

[The Druid]

Doctors in the Belgian city of Liège have been asked to keep working even if they have coronavirus amid a surge in cases and hospital admissions.

Now 10 hospitals have requested that staff who have tested positive but do not have symptoms keep working.

[Rinkals]

Once again, you are talking out your blowhole.
The variant currently making it's way around Europe is a new strain that possibly originated in Spain during the summer.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/e ... -1.4394152

That is a majority in Ireland, besides the only relevant point is if the vaccine they are working on doesn't 'work' for both strains.

We are very fortunate in having an expert in the field of virology such as yourself on the bored.

Who is going to tell the various institutions currently working on a vaccine that their efforts are wasted in view of the 12,000 mutations?

[Margin__Walker]

Sounds like a national lockdown on the cards and due to kick off on Wednesday.

Day late and a dollar short again

[TB63]

Sounds like a national lockdown on the cards and due to kick off on Wednesday.

Day late and a dollar short again

FFS! Still in one here, been in local one, then national one till Nov 9th on top of local one....

[Margin__Walker]

As is par for the course for this Government they've leaked it to a few papers on a Friday evening, no doubt prompting a weekend of speculation.



Oh, and this

[salanya]

So instead of choosing a 2-week lockdown to include the Half Term holidays, as advised by the scientists, the government waited so they could announce a 4 week full lockdown.

Sounds about right for these inept idiots. Not like they could have learned lessions from March, or from other European countries in the last month......

[Openside]

Once again, you are talking out your blowhole.
The variant currently making it's way around Europe is a new strain that possibly originated in Spain during the summer.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/e ... -1.4394152

That is a majority in Ireland, besides the only relevant point is if the vaccine they are working on doesn't 'work' for both strains.

We are very fortunate in having an expert in the field of virology such as yourself on the bored.

Who is going to tell the various institutions currently working on a virus that their efforts are wasted in view of the 12,000 mutations?

I am not claiming to be an expert in virology presumably you are not claiming to be a pompous twat?

[Rinkals]

That is a majority in Ireland, besides the only relevant point is if the vaccine they are working on doesn't 'work' for both strains.

We are very fortunate in having an expert in the field of virology such as yourself on the bored.

Who is going to tell the various institutions currently working on a virus that their efforts are wasted in view of the 12,000 mutations?

I am not claiming to be an expert in virology presumably you are not claiming to be a pompous twat?

I was being sarcastic.

Obviously you are not an expert, but you apparently still feel that your opinion of the likely efficacy of a vaccine carries weight.

Part of the problem with fighting this virus is that there are too many armchair virologists talking shit..

[Openside]

We are very fortunate in having an expert in the field of virology such as yourself on the bored.

Who is going to tell the various institutions currently working on a virus that their efforts are wasted in view of the 12,000 mutations?

I am not claiming to be an expert in virology presumably you are not claiming to be a pompous twat?

I was being sarcastic.

Obviously you are not an expert, but you apparently still feel that your opinion of the likely efficacy of a vaccine carries weight.

Part of the problem with fighting this virus is that there are too many armchair virologists talking shit..

Of course you were being sarcastic, insultingly so. I am chatting on a rugby forum not laying down public policy on epidemiology- get a grip!!

[Insane_Homer]

Fri 30/10/20

Deaths: 274 (up from 224 last week)
Cases: 24,405

On course for a tally of ~1,800 deaths this week

[Insane_Homer]

Captain foresight vs Captain hindsight on HMS U-turn?

13/10
Keir Starmer: “You can’t keep delaying this and come back to the House of Commons every few weeks with another plan that won’t work. So act now. Break the cycle. If we don’t we could sleepwalk into a long bleak winter.”

13/10
Gov source brands Starmer a "shameless opportunist", saying he was "playing political games in the middle of a global pandemic"

21/10
Johnson: "height of absurdity" that Starmer wants to "turn the lights out" with a lockdown

30/10

[SaintK]

So instead of choosing a 2-week lockdown to include the Half Term holidays, as advised by the scientists, the government waited so they could announce a 4 week full lockdown.

Sounds about right for these inept idiots. Not like they could have learned lessions from March, or from other European countries in the last month......

And will nicely coincide with the end of the current furlough scheme

[Bimbowomxn]

So more levelling off of positive tests and deaths which is good new.


Can people please ask themselves about the accuracy of Imperials models please , they’re stating that there could be 100,000 positive cases a day now in general circulation, they’re still basing their predictions for Deaths at 1% , if in 2 weeks we don’t have 7,000 deaths or there about a day one of the two above won’t be correct.

[C69]

Happy to have a flounce bet with you that we don’t get to 49,000 cases a day in October.

That’s the “without further action” number and they are presumably not going to sit on their hands. Did they specify a target state by mid-October considering any action being put in place?

No where is he saying that. So my flounce bet stands.


Btw, you do realise the figure presented (in red ) was complete and utter fiction and out medical officers should be ashamed of themselves.

lol

[Bimbowomxn]

That’s the “without further action” number and they are presumably not going to sit on their hands. Did they specify a target state by mid-October considering any action being put in place?

No where is he saying that. So my flounce bet stands.


Btw, you do realise the figure presented (in red ) was complete and utter fiction and out medical officers should be ashamed of themselves.

lol

I was right.

[Insane_Homer]

I was right.

or not. - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54723962

There are 96,000 people catching the virus every day

mmm. Who to believe, you or Royal Imperial College...

[Bimbowomxn]

I was right.

or not. - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54723962

There are 96,000 people catching the virus every day

mmm. Who to believe, you or Royal Imperial College...

15th of October .... now do run along


Oh, and if they’re right we should be seeing 7,000 deaths a day in a couple of weeks.


Three other Uk major universities have rubbished the 96,000 number.

[Insane_Homer]

15th of October .... now do run along

Happy to have a flounce bet with you that we don’t get to 49,000 cases a day in October.

run along indeed.

[Hal Jordan]

I see that the Daily Mail is starting to poke at the PPE cash bungs story. They're also having a competition to win an electric car.

Anyone have that on their 2020 bingo card?

[Lobby]

I see that the Daily Mail is starting to poke at the PPE cash bungs story. They're also having a competition to win an electric car.

Anyone have that on their 2020 bingo card?

It’s interesting how many people still treat the Mail as if it’s still edited by the right wing loon, Paul Dacre. It’s current editor, Geordie Greig, was previously at the Independent and supported remain in the referendum. He has shifted the Mail’s outlook much more to the centre ground,.

[SaintK]

I see that the Daily Mail is starting to poke at the PPE cash bungs story. They're also having a competition to win an electric car.

Anyone have that on their 2020 bingo card?

It’s interesting how many people still treat the Mail as if it’s still edited by the right wing loon, Paul Dacre. It’s current editor, Geordie Greig, was previously at the Independent and supported remain in the referendum. He has shifted the Mail’s outlook much more to the centre ground,.

Though The Mail Online and The Mail on Sunday are still fairly rabid

[Hal Jordan]

And. Never. Read. The. Comments.

In fairness to the Mail, it has always had an ability to get its teeth into a story when it drags itself out of the mire it usually wallows in.

[SaintK]

And. Never. Read. The. Comments.

In fairness to the Mail, it has always had an ability to get its teeth into a story when it drags itself out of the mire it usually wallows in.

Quite!!!
They led and followed through on the Steven Lawrence case when no other newspapers were following up

[SaintK]

So press conference at 4:00pm

Boris Johnson will hold a news conference at 16:00 GMT amid speculation a new England-wide lockdown is being considered.
The PM will be joined by England's chief medical officer Chris Whitty and the government's chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance.
It is expected a new "stay at home" order could be announced, with schools, colleges and universities exempt.

Reckon we need to get in our pub/restaurant visits and essential shopping in this weekend