President Biden and US politics catchall

[Muttonbird]

I think Trump is the last, great hope against out and out globalism. I really hope he manages to win. If he does it will be an even more impressive victory than the first win given what he's had to face.

Not having a go, but what's wrong with globalism?

+1. Collectivism is proven best for saving lives and economies from human pandemics. Globalism is the next step.

[Niegs]

I think Trump is the last, great hope against out and out globalism. I really hope he manages to win. If he does it will be an even more impressive victory than the first win given what he's had to face.

Not having a go, but what's wrong with globalism?

+1. Collectivism is proven best for saving lives and economies from human pandemics. Globalism is the next step.

I was genuinely interested. Since the last US election, I've been trying to listen to the other side more... but have yet to be convinced of many of their views (some, however, I fully understand).

I definitely do not feel a threat to my identity. But as a Canadian, most of us are mixed anyway... so maybe that's part of it? Coming from a largely-white rural community, I think the slow influx of other people over the years has even led to bigots I know lightening up and realizing "Ohh, they're a lot like us after all?!" Yeah... duh!

Most things I hear that are anti-globalism come across as xenophobic, racist, isolationist, lack of concern for how strife elsewhere eventually can (if not will) impact us:



(this is from a far-right Canadian media group) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebel_News

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Most things I hear that are anti-globalism come across as xenophobic, racist, isolationist, lack of concern for how strife elsewhere eventually can (if not will) impact us:

They also ignore that the modern world through technological progress is far more global, and they rather sound like Cnut commanding the tide

[sockwithaticket]

I think Trump is the last, great hope against out and out globalism. I really hope he manages to win. If he does it will be an even more impressive victory than the first win given what he's had to face.

Not having a go, but what's wrong with globalism?

I have a problem with the offshoring of jobs to developing countries where workers are paid a pittance and often do not enjoy the legal protections that their now redundant equivalents did where the jobs originally sat. Makes me want to start saying comrade a lot and sing the internationale.

I also dislike directly or indirectly assisting nations with shitty human rights records or who are consistent bad faith actors on the global stage (*cough* China *cough*).

The idea of a one world with a global free market is nice, but the practice is all too often dirty and exploitative.

[Glaston]

I think Trump is the last, great hope against out and out globalism. I really hope he manages to win. If he does it will be an even more impressive victory than the first win given what he's had to face.

Not having a go, but what's wrong with globalism?

I have a problem with the offshoring of jobs to developing countries where workers are paid a pittance and often do not enjoy the legal protections that their now redundant equivalents did where the jobs originally sat. Makes me want to start saying comrade a lot and sing the internationale.

I also dislike directly or indirectly assisting nations with shitty human rights records or who are consistent bad faith actors on the global stage (*cough* China *cough*).

The idea of a one world with a global free market is nice, but the practice is all too often dirty and exploitative.

It also allows large Multinationals to pretty much do as they please.

[Niegs]

I think Trump is the last, great hope against out and out globalism. I really hope he manages to win. If he does it will be an even more impressive victory than the first win given what he's had to face.

Not having a go, but what's wrong with globalism?

I have a problem with the offshoring of jobs to developing countries where workers are paid a pittance and often do not enjoy the legal protections that their now redundant equivalents did where the jobs originally sat. Makes me want to start saying comrade a lot and sing the internationale.

I also dislike directly or indirectly assisting nations with shitty human rights records or who are consistent bad faith actors on the global stage (*cough* China *cough*).

The idea of a one world with a global free market is nice, but the practice is all too often dirty and exploitative.

See, those are great points for the opposite! I'm completely behind those sentiments. Sometimes I feel we'd be okay if we pulled back and stopped trying to be a 'middle power' in the world but there's also the possibility for positive change if it's done with good intentions and practices. Too often, however, I feel like politicians go for the deal over the moral choice.

To swing back to the US election... so much of what I see from people (who aren't whack jobs) supporting Trump seem to be protecting their selfish interests. I'm fairly certain we're, generally, too selfish to ever get to some kind of globalist utopia like you see in Star Trek.

[sockwithaticket]

Not having a go, but what's wrong with globalism?

I have a problem with the offshoring of jobs to developing countries where workers are paid a pittance and often do not enjoy the legal protections that their now redundant equivalents did where the jobs originally sat. Makes me want to start saying comrade a lot and sing the internationale.

I also dislike directly or indirectly assisting nations with shitty human rights records or who are consistent bad faith actors on the global stage (*cough* China *cough*).

The idea of a one world with a global free market is nice, but the practice is all too often dirty and exploitative.

See, those are great points for the opposite! I'm completely behind those sentiments. Sometimes I feel we'd be okay if we pulled back and stopped trying to be a 'middle power' in the world but there's also the possibility for positive change if it's done with good intentions and practices. Too often, however, I feel like politicians go for the deal over the moral choice.

To swing back to the US election... so much of what I see from people (who aren't whack jobs) supporting Trump seem to be protecting their selfish interests. I'm fairly certain we're, generally, too selfish to ever get to some kind of globalist utopia like you see in Star Trek.

Aye and Glaston added another, the creeping, insidious political influence of big corporate is a concern adn I'll chuck in multi-nationals using their global holdings to avoid paying their fair share of tax in places they do business. The likes of DAC are frustrating because they poison the well for the whole discussion with spurious, objectionable nonsense. The Yemen conflict and humanitarian crisis could be solved, but the countries in a position to exert influence benefit too much from selling arms to the Saudis.

With those non-nutter Trumpers, I have sympathy from those who live in poverty or dead communities due to offshoring and I appreciate how they can be seduced, in their desperation or hoplessness, by promises of bringing jobs back. Similarly I can understand the seductiveness of someone who promises to help them keep what little they have. The UK has plenty of former manufacturing towns that still struggle with the legacy of theose industries collapsing.

Our history as a species would tend to suggest the utopia will forever be out of reach.

[Rinkals]

I think Trump is the last, great hope against out and out globalism. I really hope he manages to win. If he does it will be an even more impressive victory than the first win given what he's had to face.

Not having a go, but what's wrong with globalism?

I have a problem with the offshoring of jobs to developing countries where workers are paid a pittance and often do not enjoy the legal protections that their now redundant equivalents did where the jobs originally sat. Makes me want to start saying comrade a lot and sing the internationale.

I also dislike directly or indirectly assisting nations with shitty human rights records or who are consistent bad faith actors on the global stage (*cough* China *cough*).

The idea of a one world with a global free market is nice, but the practice is all too often dirty and exploitative.

I can tell you that South Africa has labour laws that are every bit as protective as they might be in the good ole US of A and our human rights probably offer better protection, so I'm not sure that holds water.

If your objection to offshoring is due to economic reasons, then fair enough. The cost of living here is probably a fraction of what it is in the US and a worker here is probably comfortably off with a far lower hourly rate.

With over 60% unemployed, we need the jobs.

[Fat Old Git]

Just saw an interesting interview with a young women who will be voting Trump because he's supporting the pro life movement and has appointed 3 pro life judges.

She's said the judges aren't political about it and follow the science, as 98% of scientists agree that life begins at conception.

It raises 2 questions for me.

1, who are the 2% of scientists who don't think the embryo is alive? Unless the argument is that as the sperm and egg are technically life, life begins actually begins before conception than it's hard to imagine any would agree.

2, surely that's the wrong issue to be focused on, and the issue isn't when life begins, but when it becomes a person.

[Saint]

Just saw an interesting interview with a young women who will be voting Trump because he's supporting the pro life movement and has appointed 3 pro life judges.

She's said the judges aren't political about it and follow the science, as 98% of scientists agree that life begins at conception.

It raises 2 questions for me.

1, who are the 2% of scientists who don't think the embryo is alive? Unless the argument is that as the sperm and egg are technically life, life begins actually begins before conception than it's hard to imagine any would agree.

2, surely that's the wrong issue to be focused on, and the issue isn't when life begins, but when it becomes a person.

I would actually start with who are the 98%, and do they agree when conception actually occurs? Is it when the sperm and egg fuse? Or when the first cell division occurs (as much as 48 hours later). Or some point in between. Or maybe she's read some make believe stuff

[fishfoodie]

Just saw an interesting interview with a young women who will be voting Trump because he's supporting the pro life movement and has appointed 3 pro life judges.

She's said the judges aren't political about it and follow the science, as 98% of scientists agree that life begins at conception.

It raises 2 questions for me.

1, who are the 2% of scientists who don't think the embryo is alive? Unless the argument is that as the sperm and egg are technically life, life begins actually begins before conception than it's hard to imagine any would agree.

2, surely that's the wrong issue to be focused on, and the issue isn't when life begins, but when it becomes a person.

I would actually start with who are the 98%, and do they agree when conception actually occurs? Is it when the sperm and egg fuse? Or when the first cell division occurs (as much as 48 hours later). Or some point in between. Or maybe she's read some make believe stuff

Every time a woman has a period; she is actually murdering her egg !!!!

That's about the level of logic you can expect from Pro-Lifers in my experience.

[Ted.]

Not having a go, but what's wrong with globalism?

I have a problem with the offshoring of jobs to developing countries where workers are paid a pittance and often do not enjoy the legal protections that their now redundant equivalents did where the jobs originally sat. Makes me want to start saying comrade a lot and sing the internationale.

I also dislike directly or indirectly assisting nations with shitty human rights records or who are consistent bad faith actors on the global stage (*cough* China *cough*).

The idea of a one world with a global free market is nice, but the practice is all too often dirty and exploitative.

It also allows large Multinationals to pretty much do as they please.

Globalism can and and should help with that though. Rules based trade, for example, is surely better for those people than the no holds barred transactional race that Trump, for example, espouses. At least in globalism there is a chance to influence other countries, or change the rules by which trade and the exploitation of resources are carried out, including the human resource. Without globalism, we essentially have the countries that are willing to exploit and bully taking advantage of the those that are either not willing to partake in those practices or are too week to resist them, i.e. most countries outside of China, the US, India, Russia, maybe Brazil and a few hangers on.

Another point in favour is climate change. Without globalisation and the cooperation that requires to function, we a fucked doing anything significant about global warming.

[Ted.]

Just saw an interesting interview with a young women who will be voting Trump because he's supporting the pro life movement and has appointed 3 pro life judges.

She's said the judges aren't political about it and follow the science, as 98% of scientists agree that life begins at conception.

It raises 2 questions for me.

1, who are the 2% of scientists who don't think the embryo is alive? Unless the argument is that as the sperm and egg are technically life, life begins actually begins before conception than it's hard to imagine any would agree.

2, surely that's the wrong issue to be focused on, and the issue isn't when life begins, but when it becomes a person.

I would actually start with who are the 98%, and do they agree when conception actually occurs? Is it when the sperm and egg fuse? Or when the first cell division occurs (as much as 48 hours later). Or some point in between. Or maybe she's read some make believe stuff

Given that a cow, chicken, fish or pig is far more sentient than a fertilised human egg, I trust these people will stop killing and eating any form of food that has come from anything remotely sentient.

[Flockwitt]

They need to be having this discussion in Poland

[Tichtheid]

I kind of like the argument I've seen put forward over the last couple of months - all young men should have vasectomies, say all guys over the age of 14, it's a reversible operation.


What's that? You don't like the idea of meddling with other people's reproductive systems?



Then fuck the fuck off when it comes to family planning and women.

[Muttonbird]

I think Trump is the last, great hope against out and out globalism. I really hope he manages to win. If he does it will be an even more impressive victory than the first win given what he's had to face.

Not having a go, but what's wrong with globalism?

I have a problem with the offshoring of jobs to developing countries where workers are paid a pittance and often do not enjoy the legal protections that their now redundant equivalents did where the jobs originally sat. Makes me want to start saying comrade a lot and sing the internationale.

I also dislike directly or indirectly assisting nations with shitty human rights records or who are consistent bad faith actors on the global stage (*cough* China *cough*).

The idea of a one world with a global free market is nice, but the practice is all too often dirty and exploitative.

Then your problem is with capitalism rather than globalism.

[Rinkals]

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article ... ies-later/

Instead, his kind of poisonous speech has been deeply injected into national politics, cheapening and poisoning the national conversation, and so warping political discourse that it may not be able to return to normal in the future.

In recent days, the deeper truth about a lifetime of financial flim-flammery has been exposed for all to see, along with truths of Donald Trump’s vast debts to as yet unrevealed organisations and individuals.

Simultaneously, he has continued to run his private businesses such that lobbyists, interest groups, foreign actors, and others “pay to play” in their dealings with the government, in what has in effect become a sale of secular political indulgences.

This should have been enough to disqualify him for further consideration as a president, but it has not.

The nation can no longer afford the luxury of praying that high office will turn him into a responsible adult. It would not and it did not. There has been four years in which to watch the terrifying truth. By now, no one can underestimate the harm that four more years of him would inflict on America and the world. No American has the right, any more, to say, “I didn’t know”. Donald J Trump must go.

[Fat Old Git]

Man, you don't need to look hard to find interesting Trump supporters.

An NZ eporter was interviewing different ones post rally and managed to get,

"The election will be rigged, but we will win anyway."

"Yes, I believe there will be a vaccine soon, but I won't be taking it."

And, from an older man who looked like he was barely controlling his anger at seeing members of the press.

"I don't talk to the press. You're so corrupt. "

[Uncle fester]

Not having a go, but what's wrong with globalism?

I have a problem with the offshoring of jobs to developing countries where workers are paid a pittance and often do not enjoy the legal protections that their now redundant equivalents did where the jobs originally sat. Makes me want to start saying comrade a lot and sing the internationale.

I also dislike directly or indirectly assisting nations with shitty human rights records or who are consistent bad faith actors on the global stage (*cough* China *cough*).

The idea of a one world with a global free market is nice, but the practice is all too often dirty and exploitative.

See, those are great points for the opposite! I'm completely behind those sentiments. Sometimes I feel we'd be okay if we pulled back and stopped trying to be a 'middle power' in the world but there's also the possibility for positive change if it's done with good intentions and practices. Too often, however, I feel like politicians go for the deal over the moral choice.

To swing back to the US election... so much of what I see from people (who aren't whack jobs) supporting Trump seem to be protecting their selfish interests. I'm fairly certain we're, generally, too selfish to ever get to some kind of globalist utopia like you see in Star Trek.

It's been a disaster for low-skilled Americans. Back in the post-ww2 heyday, a low skilled worker could comfortably support a family and have a good standard of living. Not anymore. They are pissed about it and you can see why.

[obelixtim]

Man, you don't need to look hard to find interesting Trump supporters.

An NZ eporter was interviewing different ones post rally and managed to get,

"The election will be rigged, but we will win anyway."

"Yes, I believe there will be a vaccine soon, but I won't be taking it."

And, from an older man who looked like he was barely controlling his anger at seeing members of the press.

"I don't talk to the press. You're so corrupt. "

And the woman who said Trump was sent by god. FFS!

[Sandstorm]

It's been a disaster for low-skilled Americans. Back in the post-ww2 heyday, a low skilled worker could comfortably support a family and have a good standard of living. Not anymore. They are pissed about it and you can see why.

You mean when the world’s population was 1/3 what it is now and global trade was in its infancy? No shit Fester.

[sturginho]

I have a problem with the offshoring of jobs to developing countries where workers are paid a pittance and often do not enjoy the legal protections that their now redundant equivalents did where the jobs originally sat. Makes me want to start saying comrade a lot and sing the internationale.

I also dislike directly or indirectly assisting nations with shitty human rights records or who are consistent bad faith actors on the global stage (*cough* China *cough*).

The idea of a one world with a global free market is nice, but the practice is all too often dirty and exploitative.

See, those are great points for the opposite! I'm completely behind those sentiments. Sometimes I feel we'd be okay if we pulled back and stopped trying to be a 'middle power' in the world but there's also the possibility for positive change if it's done with good intentions and practices. Too often, however, I feel like politicians go for the deal over the moral choice.

To swing back to the US election... so much of what I see from people (who aren't whack jobs) supporting Trump seem to be protecting their selfish interests. I'm fairly certain we're, generally, too selfish to ever get to some kind of globalist utopia like you see in Star Trek.

It's been a disaster for low-skilled Americans. Back in the post-ww2 heyday, a low skilled worker could comfortably support a family and have a good standard of living. Not anymore. They are pissed about it and you can see why.

The problem is capitalism, which Americans are still rather in favour of

[Biffer]

Just saw an interesting interview with a young women who will be voting Trump because he's supporting the pro life movement and has appointed 3 pro life judges.

She's said the judges aren't political about it and follow the science, as 98% of scientists agree that life begins at conception.

It raises 2 questions for me.

1, who are the 2% of scientists who don't think the embryo is alive? Unless the argument is that as the sperm and egg are technically life, life begins actually begins before conception than it's hard to imagine any would agree.

2, surely that's the wrong issue to be focused on, and the issue isn't when life begins, but when it becomes a person.

I would actually start with who are the 98%, and do they agree when conception actually occurs? Is it when the sperm and egg fuse? Or when the first cell division occurs (as much as 48 hours later). Or some point in between. Or maybe she's read some make believe stuff

There’s no generally agreed Scientific definition of life, so it’s impossible to say with certainty when it begins.

[Uncle fester]

It's been a disaster for low-skilled Americans. Back in the post-ww2 heyday, a low skilled worker could comfortably support a family and have a good standard of living. Not anymore. They are pissed about it and you can see why.

You mean when the world’s population was 1/3 what it is now and global trade was in its infancy? No shit Fester.

I'm not saying they are right but if you want to understand their anger, that's the root of it.

[Uncle fester]

Just saw an interesting interview with a young women who will be voting Trump because he's supporting the pro life movement and has appointed 3 pro life judges.

She's said the judges aren't political about it and follow the science, as 98% of scientists agree that life begins at conception.

It raises 2 questions for me.

1, who are the 2% of scientists who don't think the embryo is alive? Unless the argument is that as the sperm and egg are technically life, life begins actually begins before conception than it's hard to imagine any would agree.

2, surely that's the wrong issue to be focused on, and the issue isn't when life begins, but when it becomes a person.

I would actually start with who are the 98%, and do they agree when conception actually occurs? Is it when the sperm and egg fuse? Or when the first cell division occurs (as much as 48 hours later). Or some point in between. Or maybe she's read some make believe stuff

There’s no generally agreed Scientific definition of life, so it’s impossible to say with certainty when it begins.

Take it to another thread maybe? I'd be curious where she got 98% from.

[Thor Sedan]

And here come the pollsters backtracking.

Apparently a number of polls are now showing trump with significant leads in battleground states. In some cases 8 to 10 point swings.

I think it is fair to say that the US poll folk are going to need to look for new jobs at the end of this election.

[Hugo]

And here come the pollsters backtracking.

Apparently a number of polls are now showing trump with significant leads in battleground states. In some cases 8 to 10 point swings.

I think it is fair to say that the US poll folk are going to need to look for new jobs at the end of this election.

The trouble with polling is that many people don't admit to voting for Trump, the secret Trump voter effect.

NYT went round a suburban neighbourhood in Charlotte in the summer and canvassed residents, many were like "I'm voting for Trump but shhhh don't tell anybody I don't want the mob coming after me". The fear of backlash from outing yourself as a Trump voter is real so I just don't know if polling data is going to be accurate.

[Ymx]

Not sure where to put this.

Was looking at an unrelated article on the Guardian.

At the end was the usual begging bowl.

But at the top of it. WTAF. It worries me this is not a joke by the editors.

Four more years of Donald Trump ...

... would have serious consequences for the world. America faces an epic choice and the result will have global repercussions for democracy, progress and solidarity for generations.

In monumental moments like this, an independent, truth-seeking news organisation like the Guardian is essential. Free from commercial or political bias, we can report fearlessly on critical events, hold power to account, and bring you a clear, international perspective.

And because we believe everyone deserves access to trustworthy news and analysis, we keep Guardian journalism open and free for all readers, regardless of where they live or what they can afford to pay.
Our work is only possible thanks to the support we receive from our readers.If you can, support the Guardian’s journalism today, from as little as £1. Thank you.

[Hal Jordan]

And here come the pollsters backtracking.

Apparently a number of polls are now showing trump with significant leads in battleground states. In some cases 8 to 10 point swings.

I think it is fair to say that the US poll folk are going to need to look for new jobs at the end of this election.

The trouble with polling is that many people don't admit to voting for Trump, the secret Trump voter effect.

NYT went round a suburban neighbourhood in Charlotte in the summer and canvassed residents, many were like "I'm voting for Trump but shhhh don't tell anybody I don't want the mob coming after me". The fear of backlash from outing yourself as a Trump voter is real so I just don't know if polling data is going to be accurate.

If you can't admit to voting for a candidate what on earth does that say about said candidate?

Also, the frankly industrial attempts at voter suppression waged by the GOP.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

And here come the pollsters backtracking.

Apparently a number of polls are now showing trump with significant leads in battleground states. In some cases 8 to 10 point swings.

I think it is fair to say that the US poll folk are going to need to look for new jobs at the end of this election.

The trouble with polling is that many people don't admit to voting for Trump, the secret Trump voter effect.

NYT went round a suburban neighbourhood in Charlotte in the summer and canvassed residents, many were like "I'm voting for Trump but shhhh don't tell anybody I don't want the mob coming after me". The fear of backlash from outing yourself as a Trump voter is real so I just don't know if polling data is going to be accurate.

If you can't admit to voting for a candidate what on earth does that say about said candidate?

Also, the frankly industrial attempts at voter suppression waged by the GOP.

It's a common problem, but so common pollsters are better placed to handle it than once was the case. Now (good) polls don't just rely on asking who you'd vote for, they ask who those in a person's social group will vote for, and that gives an adjusting factor to a personal declaration of voting intent.

[Ovals]

And here come the pollsters backtracking.

Apparently a number of polls are now showing trump with significant leads in battleground states. In some cases 8 to 10 point swings.

I think it is fair to say that the US poll folk are going to need to look for new jobs at the end of this election.

I've been following the polls very closely and, aside from one or two of the least reputable pollsters, the polls have remained very consistent, even in the battleground states - there's been very little narrowing of the margins - and, of course, 92 million have already voted anyway. Of course, they could be wrong and many of the battlegorund states fall into the margins of error - but they've been pretty consistent.

The 538 site https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/20 ... id=rrpromo is very comprehensive and unbiased - you can find details of all the polls on their site.

[Bokkom]

I, of course, hope Trump will lose in a landslide - not that I think Biden is the way forward for progressives in the US, but because I would like to believe the majority of Yanks will kick an obvious conman, narcissist and weapons grade bulshitter to the curb.
Interestingly enough, though, I had a long chat with a Chinese friend (Shanghai accountant) earlier today who hopes that Trump will win. To him, the benefits of another four years of Trump in the Whitehouse is a Western community becoming more and more doubtful of America's role in international affairs and looking to alternative allies..

[Maniototo Man]

I came across this story about a 91 year-old voting Democrat for the first time in his life and loved the word he used when explaining why.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... e-n1245616

"First time in my life, I voted for a Democrat," Dennis, a longtime resident of Forks who now lives in a retirement community in nearby Nazareth, told NBC News on Friday after he finished packing groceries into his car in a strip mall parking lot. "I like a lot of the things Trump did, but I couldn't stand his bloviating."

Bloviate: to talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way.

What an awesome word. So apt.

[Hugo]

Just a random thought I had - by my calculations if Biden wins he will be the first "shoe-in" democrat to win a Presidential election since LBJ in 1964.

Carter, Clinton & Obama were all the long shot type of candidates who went from relative obscurity and had meteoric rises and improbable runs to the White House defeating more seasoned opponents. Gore & Hillary had better CVs and had been household names for years when they ran but they could not get over the line. I think the same is true of John Kerry although he ran against an incumbent.

[Lobby]

Not sure where to put this.

Was looking at an unrelated article on the Guardian.

At the end was the usual begging bowl.

But at the top of it. WTAF. It worries me this is not a joke by the editors.

Four more years of Donald Trump ...

... would have serious consequences for the world. America faces an epic choice and the result will have global repercussions for democracy, progress and solidarity for generations.

In monumental moments like this, an independent, truth-seeking news organisation like the Guardian is essential. Free from commercial or political bias, we can report fearlessly on critical events, hold power to account, and bring you a clear, international perspective.

And because we believe everyone deserves access to trustworthy news and analysis, we keep Guardian journalism open and free for all readers, regardless of where they live or what they can afford to pay.
Our work is only possible thanks to the support we receive from our readers.If you can, support the Guardian’s journalism today, from as little as £1. Thank you.

In 2004 the Guardian launched a campaign to get undecided voters in Ohio to vote For Kerry rather than Bush. Guardian readers were given the addresses of US voters and were invited to write to them personally to tell them how important it was for the rest of the world that Bush wasn’t elected. It was a complete disaster, with most US voters telling Guardian readers to fuck off. If anything, it increased the Bush vote in Ohio.

[Fangle]

Have you seen the Lady Gaga commercial where she is dressed in camo next to a large truck asking mid-westerners to vote for Biden? It is this attitude from many Democrats that push people away from them. It makes Democrats look as if they are talking down to them. They see Democrats as thinking they are superior because they come from the northeast and drive anything other than a truck.

They must learn to communicate with them properly and not act superior.

[tcc_dc]

Have you seen the Lady Gaga commercial where she is dressed in camo next to a large truck asking mid-westerners to vote for Biden? It is this attitude from many Democrats that push people away from them. It makes Democrats look as if they are talking down to them. They see Democrats as thinking they are superior because they come from the northeast and drive anything other than a truck.

They must learn to communicate with them properly and not act superior.

Exactly...I am a repub, but no fan of Trump and pulled the lever for Biden.

But the holier than thou attitude is funny, because just like last time, when they asked lots of these Trump voters who voted for Obama why? They said it is the only way to say $#)*$)@*$*)@ you to elites.

Like Chelsea Handler telling 50 Cent he must have forgotten he was black. It goes on and on.

I am hoping the Repubs some how miraculously hold unto the Senate.

[Fangle]

And don’t call them ‘deplorables’ like Hillary did, or tell Blacks that they aren’t black if they don’t vote democrat, like Biden did.

[Hal Jordan]

Does it matter who wins? If Biden wins, Trump will whip up the racist cunts (I agree, let's not call them Deplorable) to rail against the stolen election, if he wins, the vindictive cunt will go nuts on anyone who stood in his way during the election, be they an individual, organisation or state.

[Fangle]

Does it matter who wins? If Biden wins, Trump will whip up the racist cunts (I agree, let's not call them Deplorable) to rail against the stolen election, if he wins, the vindictive cunt will go nuts on anyone who stood in his way during the election, be they an individual, organisation or state.

You don’t think that there will be chaos in the streets from Biden supporters if by a remote chance Trump wins? Apparently shops are boarding up their windows in some cities.