Another beheading in France

[Fangle]

All I know is anecdotal. My cousin, Charles Hart, who I played with when we were children, was killed on his farm a few months ago, and hacked to pieces. My brothers are nervous and so have bought seaside houses a couple of hours away, and will shortly be moving there. And they are getting rid of their dairy herds and changing to just grazing cattle for beef which takes less supervision.

[Openside]

All I know is anecdotal. My cousin, Charles Hart, who I played with when we were children, was killed on his farm a few months ago, and hacked to pieces. My brothers are nervous and so have bought seaside houses a couple of hours away, and will shortly be moving there. And they are getting rid of their dairy herds and changing to just grazing cattle for beef which takes less supervision.

No doubt you are comforted by the that your cousin is not evidence of the systematic killing of farmers but a merely nothing out of the normal occurrence of murder...

[DAC Clarifies]

There were 10 times (10x) The amount of farm attacks in the first 6 months of 2020 than there were in the first 6 months of 2019.

Murder Stats are going down though....

[Muttonbird]

All I know is anecdotal. My cousin, Charles Hart, who I played with when we were children, was killed on his farm a few months ago, and hacked to pieces. My brothers are nervous and so have bought seaside houses a couple of hours away, and will shortly be moving there. And they are getting rid of their dairy herds and changing to just grazing cattle for beef which takes less supervision.

How lovely for them.

[PornDog]

That is truly fucking horrific Fangle. My deepest sympathies to your family and for that matter with all of SA in its multitude of racial issues.


However fucked up gangs of psychopaths committing horrible racially motivated murders is not genocide, as horrific as they are. I don't think for one instance that DAC or OS would consider a genocide to have occurred against Catholic Northern Irish in the late 70's and early 80's, yet acts such as those are exactly what the likes of the Shankill Butchers carried out.

Genocide is the organised and systematic extermination of a people. Even if you are to broaden that definition to the callous disregard for human life while profiteering off of their deaths (so as to include the likes of the Irish and Ukrainian famines in your definition) you would still be a million miles away from entering the ball park.

Add to that though the unquestioned association of White Genocide theories with the most fucked up white supremacist, extremely racist, neo-nazi fucking fucktards (which I don't for a second think DAC is unaware of) and you're dwelling in the utter depths that humanity has ever plunged into!

It's a racist rallying call - as I stated right when I started commenting on this - there's no fucking grey area with shit this extreme!

[DAC Clarifies]

Do you feel the same way about the Christians, or what's left of them, in the middle east?

[Bimbowomxn]

Genocide doesn’t require a profit.... ffs

[robmatic]

Do you feel the same way about the Christians, or what's left of them, in the middle east?

I'm a Christian living in the middle east and you definitely seem familiar with all the garbage racist talking points.

But then I have a Muslim wife so I'm probably committing white genocide or something.

[DAC Clarifies]

Do you feel the same way about the Christians, or what's left of them, in the middle east?

I'm a Christian living in the middle east and you definitely seem familiar with all the garbage racist talking points.

But then I have a Muslim wife so I'm probably committing white genocide or something.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... ast-report

[Bimbowomxn]

Do you feel the same way about the Christians, or what's left of them, in the middle east?

I'm a Christian living in the middle east and you definitely seem familiar with all the garbage racist talking points.

But then I have a Muslim wife so I'm probably committing white genocide or something.

Is this where racism and religious bigotry mix ?

[Kawazaki]

That is truly fucking horrific Fangle. My deepest sympathies to your family and for that matter with all of SA in its multitude of racial issues.


However fucked up gangs of psychopaths committing horrible racially motivated murders is not genocide, as horrific as they are. I don't think for one instance that DAC or OS would consider a genocide to have occurred against Catholic Northern Irish in the late 70's and early 80's, yet acts such as those are exactly what the likes of the Shankill Butchers carried out.

Genocide is the organised and systematic extermination of a people. Even if you are to broaden that definition to the callous disregard for human life while profiteering off of their deaths (so as to include the likes of the Irish and Ukrainian famines in your definition) you would still be a million miles away from entering the ball park.

Add to that though the unquestioned association of White Genocide theories with the most fucked up white supremacist, extremely racist, neo-nazi fucking fucktards (which I don't for a second think DAC is unaware of) and you're dwelling in the utter depths that humanity has ever plunged into!

It's a racist rallying call - as I stated right when I started commenting on this - there's no fucking grey area with shit this extreme!

Jesus wept

[mat the expat]

JM I know you are not that stupid, how many times do I need to state that I don’t believe that there is White genocide occurring in SA before you will stop ascribing that notion to my posts. I have explained why as an SA farmer I would be armed to the teeth you are choosing to ignore them completely.

But we all die, etc

[Openside]

JM I know you are not that stupid, how many times do I need to state that I don’t believe that there is White genocide occurring in SA before you will stop ascribing that notion to my posts. I have explained why as an SA farmer I would be armed to the teeth you are choosing to ignore them completely.

But we all die, etc

I think I know the point you are trying to make...but it is a very stupid one!!

[mat the expat]

JM I know you are not that stupid, how many times do I need to state that I don’t believe that there is White genocide occurring in SA before you will stop ascribing that notion to my posts. I have explained why as an SA farmer I would be armed to the teeth you are choosing to ignore them completely.

But we all die, etc

I think I know the point you are trying to make...but it is a very stupid one!!

Not really - it s your logic, twisted as it is.

[Openside]

But we all die, etc

I think I know the point you are trying to make...but it is a very stupid one!!

Not really - it s your logic, twisted as it is.

you can't actually believe that!! its palpable shit.

you are equating dying in your 80's of a common cause of death for that age group with a violent murder - good work

[mat the expat]

I don't believe anything - I'm just holding up a mirror.

It's your cognitive dissonance

[Openside]

I don't believe anything - I'm just holding up a mirror.

It's your cognitive dissonance

Well I suggest you have a look at yourself in it then.

If you see cognitive dissonance in that logic you don’t understand the term.

[Jambanja]

JM I know you are not that stupid, how many times do I need to state that I don’t believe that there is White genocide occurring in SA before you will stop ascribing that notion to my posts. I have explained why as an SA farmer I would be armed to the teeth you are choosing to ignore them completely.

The first sentence of my reply should help. You also earlier said you were thinking that it's not racist for saying that white farmers are seemingly being systematically killed. You hadn't acknowledged the fact that that's actually a bullshit assertion to begin with. You can surely understand why people are still trying to get through to you when you equivocate like that.

Yes, Jambanja explicitly pointed out that white farmers are being systematically murdered in SA, and yet Openside tacitly embraces this bullshit notion. I would implore the Scottish sap to come spend a few days in a Bethelsdorp or Macassar and say with a straight face the white farmer is in more danger than those living in these gangster hellholes

Umm, no I didn't but if you'd actually read my post before rushing to call me an idiot, which is ironic
Here's what I said, see if you can spot the difference

Sorry if I’ve misunderstood this but are you saying that by DAC saying that white farmers are seemingly being systematically killed, ergo genocide, he is racist for saying so?

[mat the expat]

I don't believe anything - I'm just holding up a mirror.

It's your cognitive dissonance

Well I suggest you have a look at yourself in it then.

If you see cognitive dissonance in that logic you don’t understand the term.

[Openside]

I don't believe anything - I'm just holding up a mirror.

It's your cognitive dissonance

Well I suggest you have a look at yourself in it then.

If you see cognitive dissonance in that logic you don’t understand the term.

an enlightening contribution

[mat the expat]

Well I suggest you have a look at yourself in it then.

If you see cognitive dissonance in that logic you don’t understand the term.

an enlightening contribution

"404" error posting - but I have nothing to add.

[Plato’sCave]

If I read that correctly, Western Civilisation was built on the back of raping children?

That's a new height in apologism. Congratulations, that's really set the bar quite high.

raping of children = Christian values

No apologism, that's in your head. I treat all religions with same degree of contempt.

Demonising an entire religion, classless.

[laurent]

All religions should be thrown in the dustbin.

[Openside]

All religions should be thrown in the dustbin.

Correct, you don’t need to attend church of any denomination to be a decent person. Religion seems to be concerned with changing other people, it should only be concerned with changing yourself!!

[Hugo]

Religion seems to be concerned with changing other people, it should only be concerned with changing yourself!!

I agree 100%.

Religion should be a highly personal thing that pertains to self discovery, self improvement and spiritual growth.

It should be an inward rather than outward thing.

[Insane_Homer]

Demonising an entire religion, classless.

BINGO! From Page 1.

Doesn't that prove that it's incompatible with Western Civilisation?

So is Christianity if you only measure it by the actions of those on the fringes.

[Insane_Homer]

All religions should be thrown in the dustbin.

Ban all imaginary sky fairies is the way to go ; or at the very least tax them into oblivion.

BINGO! from Page 1

[ASMO]

All religions should be thrown in the dustbin.

i support this position

[Bimbowomxn]

Demonising an entire religion, classless.

BINGO! From Page 1.

Doesn't that prove that it's incompatible with Western Civilisation?

So is Christianity if you only measure it by the actions of those on the fringes.

Ban all imaginary sky fairies is the way to go ; or at the very least tax them into oblivion.

“Let’s tax ideas we don’t like”....

[ASMO]

Demonising an entire religion, classless.

BINGO! From Page 1.

So is Christianity if you only measure it by the actions of those on the fringes.

Ban all imaginary sky fairies is the way to go ; or at the very least tax them into oblivion.

“Let’s tax ideas we don’t like”....

You mean like smoking? Fast food?, Alchohol?

[Insane_Homer]

another well thought out 'rebuttal'

[FalseBayFC]

Meanwhile in Mozambique :thumbdown, Islamists behead 50 civilians and the world barely murmurs.

[Lemoentjie]

There's no evidence to suggest that white farmers are being murdered at a rate higher than normal (statistics suggest the opposite, and it's heading downwards). "White genocide" is a long standing white supremacist conspiracy theory.

There isn't complete proportionality. You are correct that it's a relatively similar rate to the general murder rate in SA, but the difference is that a high % of those murders are gang-related and between South Africans of the same race. Farmer murders are usually black people killing white people. Genocide is a very strong term that I wouldn't use, but there's a cross-racial element in these killings that isn't there in most cases.

[JM2K6]

There's no evidence to suggest that white farmers are being murdered at a rate higher than normal (statistics suggest the opposite, and it's heading downwards). "White genocide" is a long standing white supremacist conspiracy theory.

There isn't complete proportionality. You are correct that it's a relatively similar rate to the general murder rate in SA, but the difference is that a high % of those murders are gang-related and between South Africans of the same race. Farmer murders are usually black people killing white people. Genocide is a very strong term that I wouldn't use, but there's a cross-racial element in these killings that isn't there in most cases.

Aren't quite a few farm murders that of black farm workers?

[Glaston]

All religions should be thrown in the dustbin.

i support this position

Thats very unfair on the followers of John Frum.

I doubt they have ever hurt anybody.

[sockwithaticket]

Meanwhile in Mozambique :thumbdown, Islamists behead 50 civilians and the world barely murmurs.

Do you have a source? I can't see it on Reuters or The Graun.

As for coverage, media will always cover what's in their audiences' immediate sphere of interest more than incidents from further afield.

[JM2K6]

Meanwhile in Mozambique :thumbdown, Islamists behead 50 civilians and the world barely murmurs.

Do you have a source? I can't see it on Reuters or The Graun.

As for coverage, media will always cover what's in their audiences' immediate sphere of interest more than incidents from further afield.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/ ... mozambique

[sockwithaticket]

Meanwhile in Mozambique :thumbdown, Islamists behead 50 civilians and the world barely murmurs.

Do you have a source? I can't see it on Reuters or The Graun.

As for coverage, media will always cover what's in their audiences' immediate sphere of interest more than incidents from further afield.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/ ... mozambique

Ta. Fuck that's grim.

[Gumboot]

another well thought out 'rebuttal'

All religions should be thrown in the dustbin.

i support this position

Ramen to that!

[Bimbowomxn]

BINGO! From Page 1.

Ban all imaginary sky fairies is the way to go ; or at the very least tax them into oblivion.

“Let’s tax ideas we don’t like”....

You mean like smoking? Fast food?, Alchohol?

Well if smoking, fast food and alcohol were only ideas they’d do no harm.