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Insane_Homer
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very cool from the beeb
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
Yeah, but I didn't have a whole hour to list all her qualifications and competencies
Well, that was fun. Brilliant drive by Lewis Hamilton - indomitable confidence in his ability to bring those tyres home even if it rained and a sound understanding of why they worked better than new inters. He really is in a class on his own right now - Max has the talent and is a big part of the future - but today Hamilton showed how he has used and grown from all that experience through the years.
Pleased for Vettel and Checo, especially given the latter’ s need to showcase his skills. I wonder if today will edge Albon’s seat his way. Great race; glad it didn’t get horrendously wet but still stayed challenging enough to raise questions till the end.
Pleased for Vettel and Checo, especially given the latter’ s need to showcase his skills. I wonder if today will edge Albon’s seat his way. Great race; glad it didn’t get horrendously wet but still stayed challenging enough to raise questions till the end.
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Insane_Homer
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Sir Lewis Hamilton 
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
FP2 in Bahrain - Albon does his best to completely destroy his car (and his career) going wide at the final corner, losing all grip, and finishing with a huge tank slapper into the barriers. Front suspension all over the place, rear wing hanging on by a thread.
He's really running out of time
He's really running out of time
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Rhubarb & Custard
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You have to like that when Albon went wide and ruined his car in practice he kept the power down so much. He really committed to the cock up
No halo, no head
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That brought back memories of the day Senna died. Thankfully a much happier outcome today.
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Dinsdale Piranha
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More like Berger's crash at Imola.And 1 guest wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:35 pm That brought back memories of the day Senna died. Thankfully a much happier outcome today.
Yeah, that's the one that sprang to mind for me.Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:42 pmMore like Berger's crash at Imola.And 1 guest wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:35 pm That brought back memories of the day Senna died. Thankfully a much happier outcome today.
Looks like the impact split the monocoque away from the rear of the car, which then ruptured the fuel cells. Halo saved Grosjean's life, but even then he was in the fireball for a long time
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fishfoodie
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F1 Repairs looks like a county council road crew in action; a number of fat bastards who do nothing but get in the way; while 2 or 3 people who know what they're doing get on with it.
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At least they don't have to worry about it getting dark
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Insane_Homer
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Miraculous escape. lucky man. 2 more races, no thnaks. time to retire.
Medical car, doc and co so quick to get there.
Driver salary cap debate ended.
Medical car, doc and co so quick to get there.
Driver salary cap debate ended.
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
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fishfoodie
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I went searching for the name of the team mate of Jackie Stewart who died at Watkins Glen in a accident that I was immediately reminded of, when I saw the destroyed armco. It was Francois Cevert.
He died because the armco was poorly installed, & his car passed between the rows of steel, & they then scissored down on him & the chassis once the nose had passed thru.
I think there'll have to be a major re-evaluation on how the safety of those parts of the track where offs aren't expected.
The track safety has continually evolved over the years; but now that sand has been removed, & the barriers are focused on the places where accidents are expected, you still have large parts of the track, where cars can still be going a very high speed, & if something breaks, there isn't much to slow the car before it gets to the barrier; & if the barrier is just bare armco, the car can pass thru that, with horrific consequences.
I also noted that the wheel tethers didn't work worth a shit either; & from what I've seen, they often don't. I know it's a big ask to engineer something to hold a wheel on in a accident where enormous amounts of energy are released; but if they only work 50% of the time, is that good enough ?
He died because the armco was poorly installed, & his car passed between the rows of steel, & they then scissored down on him & the chassis once the nose had passed thru.
I think there'll have to be a major re-evaluation on how the safety of those parts of the track where offs aren't expected.
The track safety has continually evolved over the years; but now that sand has been removed, & the barriers are focused on the places where accidents are expected, you still have large parts of the track, where cars can still be going a very high speed, & if something breaks, there isn't much to slow the car before it gets to the barrier; & if the barrier is just bare armco, the car can pass thru that, with horrific consequences.
I also noted that the wheel tethers didn't work worth a shit either; & from what I've seen, they often don't. I know it's a big ask to engineer something to hold a wheel on in a accident where enormous amounts of energy are released; but if they only work 50% of the time, is that good enough ?
Re the Armco - from the post race stuff i saw, tge Armco looked like it was pretty much online with all installs- i.e. a 5-10mm gap between panels. The speculation currently is that the nose of the car hit that gap perfectly- if so there will be a re-evaluation of the standard if safety barriers at all areas of a track.fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:17 pm I went searching for the name of the team mate of Jackie Stewart who died at Watkins Glen in a accident that I was immediately reminded of, when I saw the destroyed armco. It was Francois Cevert.
He died because the armco was poorly installed, & his car passed between the rows of steel, & they then scissored down on him & the chassis once the nose had passed thru.
I think there'll have to be a major re-evaluation on how the safety of those parts of the track where offs aren't expected.
The track safety has continually evolved over the years; but now that sand has been removed, & the barriers are focused on the places where accidents are expected, you still have large parts of the track, where cars can still be going a very high speed, & if something breaks, there isn't much to slow the car before it gets to the barrier; & if the barrier is just bare armco, the car can pass thru that, with horrific consequences.
I also noted that the wheel tethers didn't work worth a shit either; & from what I've seen, they often don't. I know it's a big ask to engineer something to hold a wheel on in a accident where enormous amounts of energy are released; but if they only work 50% of the time, is that good enough ?
Martin Brundle was commenting on the wheel tethers failing - fundamentaly there is a point where any safety feature fails. In this case, despite "failing" they massively reduced the velocity of the wheels once they broke free.
Despite all that, this was an incident that would have been considered unsurvivable as recently as 5 years ago, and it has to be seen as a testament to the enormous focus on driver safety driven by the late, great, Charlie Whiting
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fishfoodie
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That's a good point. I suppose the main fear was of wheels being thrown into the crowd, or in the areas where the marshals are; so they've largely been successful.Saint wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:28 pm
Martin Brundle was commenting on the wheel tethers failing - fundamentaly there is a point where any safety feature fails. In this case, despite "failing" they massively reduced the velocity of the wheels once they broke free.
Despite all that, this was an incident that would have been considered unsurvivable as recently as 5 years ago, and it has to be seen as a testament to the enormous focus on driver safety driven by the late, great, Charlie Whiting
Safety is never done; it's always a work in progress; & it was great to see that Grosjean was able to rapidly egress the car, even with the halo, & belts & the barrier debris. The doctors in the medical car were also magnificent in their speed, & poise in attacking the fire.
As anyone who has ever tackled a fire; it takes a clear mind to, pull the pin on an extinguisher, & point the nozzle & direct it to the seat of the fire.
Incredible to witness, and utter relief to see Grosjean walk away.
That Berger YT clip above led me to here.
I’ve never seen much of this era. What horrendous looking cars. Quite a comical view back to marshalls running all over the place, shades of that today, and fans parked up on the Grand Hotel Hairpin
That Berger YT clip above led me to here.
I’ve never seen much of this era. What horrendous looking cars. Quite a comical view back to marshalls running all over the place, shades of that today, and fans parked up on the Grand Hotel Hairpin
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Insane_Homer
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