The Brexit Thread

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rope-india

[Longshanks]

Expect a deal next Tuesday according to The Sun.

It will be a sell out, which is why Boris is hiding.

When you say sell out, do you mean the EU gets everything they want? Or do you see a workable compromise?

[tabascoboy]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rope-india

Oh, the ironing!

[Rinkals]

Expect a deal next Tuesday according to The Sun.

It will be a sell out, which is why Boris is hiding.

When you say sell out, do you mean the EU gets everything they want? Or do you see a workable compromise?

Bearing in mind that this is the easiest deal in history, anything other than a complete capitulation by the EU will be regarded as a sellout, obviously, and any negotiating team that didn't bring home an agreement acquiescing on all demands will be regarded as having sold out.

I think that's what he means.

[Longshanks]

It will be a sell out, which is why Boris is hiding.

When you say sell out, do you mean the EU gets everything they want? Or do you see a workable compromise?

Bearing in mind that this is the easiest deal in history, anything other than a complete capitulation by the EU will be regarded as a sellout, obviously, and any negotiating team that didn't bring home an agreement acquiescing on all demands will be regarded as having sold out.

I think that's what he means.

I was hoping for a sensible reply to my question really

[Longshanks]

Interesting article in the Torygraph yesterday comparing a no deal with a Canada deal
The estimate was that the average person would be 0.8% worse off with no deal over 10 years, so about £200 quid a year. I know we'd all prefer to have 200 hundred quid in our pockets than not, especially if we're a bit short of cash, but Canada is hardly "Cake".

[Bimbowomxn]

Expect a deal next Tuesday according to The Sun.

It will be a sell out, which is why Boris is hiding.

When you say sell out, do you mean the EU gets everything they want? Or do you see a workable compromise?

I think that permanent decisions made which will harm the UK for a long term timeframe to avoid very very short term problems caused.

If the EU is left in charge of our state aid policy for now and future law changes by them we’ve handed a huge amount of power to a foreign body which we will have little control over.

[Insane_Homer]

Interesting article in the Torygraph yesterday comparing a no deal with a Canada deal
The estimate was that the average person would be 0.8% worse off with no deal over 10 years, so about £200 quid a year. I know we'd all prefer to have 200 hundred quid in our pockets than not, especially if we're a bit short of cash, but Canada is hardly "Cake".

This Canada deal?

https://www.ft.com/content/c59ae5ba-c38 ... c071f94f27

Justin Trudeau, Canada’s prime minister, has claimed that Britain is struggling to conclude a trade deal with his country before the Brexit transition ends on January 1 because it does not have “the bandwidth”.

Mr Trudeau said Canada was highly experienced at striking trade deals and was ready to conclude an agreement with the UK, rolling over the terms of the existing EU-Canada deal when the transition period ends.

“The UK hasn’t had to negotiate trade deals in the past few decades,” Mr Trudeau told the Financial Times. “So there is an issue of not really having the bandwidth within government to move forward on this.”

Liz Truss, Britain’s international trade secretary, denies that Britain does not have enough capacity or trade negotiators to do a deal, and her allies say she hopes to get an agreement across the line by January 1.

[Longshanks]

No
Not that deal

[Longshanks]

It will be a sell out, which is why Boris is hiding.

When you say sell out, do you mean the EU gets everything they want? Or do you see a workable compromise?

I think that permanent decisions made which will harm the UK for a long term timeframe to avoid very very short term problems caused.

If the EU is left in charge of our state aid policy for now and future law changes by them we’ve handed a huge amount of power to a foreign body which we will have little control over.

A few news reports suggest France has caved on fishing so hopefully that will be sorted.

On the other 2 main sticking points let's wait and see.

[Rinkals]

When you say sell out, do you mean the EU gets everything they want? Or do you see a workable compromise?

Bearing in mind that this is the easiest deal in history, anything other than a complete capitulation by the EU will be regarded as a sellout, obviously, and any negotiating team that didn't bring home an agreement acquiescing on all demands will be regarded as having sold out.

I think that's what he means.

I was hoping for a sensible reply to my question really

From bimbot?

Dream on.

[Longshanks]

Bearing in mind that this is the easiest deal in history, anything other than a complete capitulation by the EU will be regarded as a sellout, obviously, and any negotiating team that didn't bring home an agreement acquiescing on all demands will be regarded as having sold out.

I think that's what he means.

I was hoping for a sensible reply to my question really

From bimbot?

Dream on.

Give us your sensible answer if his is so wrong.

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... nal-impact

DfE tells schools to stock up on long-life products in case of no-deal Brexit

Schools advised to prepare for ‘changes to food supply chain’ from 1 January as police chiefs warn stalemate will damage crime fighting

Schools have been told to stock up on longer shelf life products in preparation for a no-deal Brexit, as police chiefs warned that such an outcome would damage their ability to fight crime.

Department for Education (DfE) guidance published on Tuesday urged schools to prepare for what was described as “possible changes to their food supply chain” from 1 January “so they can minimise the effect on pupils and young people in their care”.

Stressing that schools would still be responsible for meeting children’s dietary requirements, the guidance said necessary changes might include “varying the timing and number of deliveries to allow for transport delays” and “ordering longer shelf life products during this period, such as frozen foods or foods that can be safely stored at room temperature”.

Unions expressed concern with Paul Whiteman, general secretary of school leaders’ union NAHT warning: “Let’s be frank: there’s almost nothing that any school can meaningfully do to mitigate the effects of Brexit, as they have no control over what will happen after 1 January.”

“So it is entirely wrong for the government to offload responsibility for a successful Brexit outcome onto schools and other public services.”

The guidance came as a new letter from police chiefs warned that a no-deal Brexit would cause “major” operational damage to their ability to fight crime and terrorism. Crucial tools used millions of times a year would be lost, with their replacements slower and less effective, the letter from police chiefs warned.
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[fishfoodie]

Expect a deal next Tuesday according to The Sun.

Demonstrating that there's at least one person on the Sun staff who can count to six.

They hear that the last possible EU27 summit date is December 28th, & the previously stated need for 6 weeks to get any deal translated into all the required languages; & hey presto !

[Longshanks]

Coveney says that the EU27 won't ratify any deal if the UK hasn't removed the IM Bill
So how will both sides square this one?

[fishfoodie]

Coveney says that the EU27 won't ratify any deal if the UK hasn't removed the IM Bill
So how will both sides square this one?

The commons doesn't re-insert the clauses that break International Law ?

[Longshanks]

Coveney says that the EU27 won't ratify any deal if the UK hasn't removed the IM Bill
So how will both sides square this one?

The commons doesn't re-insert the clauses that break International Law ?

The UK should not break international law. I agree

However, BJ it seems is still determined to push it through in case of no deal.

We have a catch22.

[Sandstorm]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rope-india

Oh, the ironing!

Anyone else dread being the poor cnut who has to call that Indian call centre to discuss an issue with your Brexit paperwork?

[dpedin]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rope-india

Oh, the ironing!

Anyone else dread being the poor cnut who has to call that Indian call centre to discuss an issue with your Brexit paperwork?

Its all about sovereignty and taking back control init?

[fishfoodie]

Oh, the ironing!

Anyone else dread being the poor cnut who has to call that Indian call centre to discuss an issue with your Brexit paperwork?

Its all about sovereignty and taking back control init?

that, & loving pan pipe muzak

[Bimbowomxn]

Coveney says that the EU27 won't ratify any deal if the UK hasn't removed the IM Bill
So how will both sides square this one?

Pass the bill without the causes. Pass them later if required.

They’re there to demonstrate he internal market can always be protected.

[Longshanks]

You and fishy in agreement?
My flabber is gasted

[Bimbowomxn]

You and fishy in agreement?
My flabber is gasted

It was a nonsense signal. I still think we are ganna sell out on state aid though.

[fishfoodie]

Coveney says that the EU27 won't ratify any deal if the UK hasn't removed the IM Bill
So how will both sides square this one?

Pass the bill without the causes. Pass them later if required.

They’re there to demonstrate he internal market can always be protected.

and that's why "Governance", now appears on the list of things to be agreed, for any deal.

The IMB pissed anyway any remaining goodwill for the UK; so any deal will have to have resolution mechanisms agreed, if the UK trys pulling a fast one in the future.

[Bimbowomxn]

Coveney says that the EU27 won't ratify any deal if the UK hasn't removed the IM Bill
So how will both sides square this one?

Pass the bill without the causes. Pass them later if required.

They’re there to demonstrate he internal market can always be protected.

and that's why "Governance", now appears on the list of things to be agreed, for any deal.

The IMB pissed anyway any remaining goodwill for the UK; so any deal will have to have resolution mechanisms agreed, if the UK trys pulling a fast one in the future.

Once the deal is signed the law breaking bits of the IMB wouldn’t be required though. If it’s no deal than “resolution mechanism” are irrelevant.

Once we have left, “fast ones “ are also irrelevant if there’s no deal.

We cannot tie parliaments hands in the future by allowing the EU carte Blanche with our laws, everyone knows that’s a disaster waiting to happen.

[Openside]

Sandstorm was right about the goalposts, this is the Brexit thread.

So there are no positives aside from sticking to the outcome of that referendum? Is that what you are saying?

The following through on democracy in a democracy is a massive benefit once the vote had been had. I keep saying this and even tried to demonstrate this using something you expose.

I’ve again done this in crayon which seems again to have failed.

I’ll try one more time.

What are the benefits other than acting on the result of the referendum?

Is there a problem with the question?

why do you think there need to be? We are still currently a democracy.

[Tichtheid]

The following through on democracy in a democracy is a massive benefit once the vote had been had. I keep saying this and even tried to demonstrate this using something you expose.

I’ve again done this in crayon which seems again to have failed.

I’ll try one more time.

What are the benefits other than acting on the result of the referendum?

Is there a problem with the question?

why do you think there need to be? We are still currently a democracy.

Well, for a start I think the word itself is a red herring, those who use it as an incantation regarding Brexit were usually also the ones most vociferous in their objections to a second referendum once more was actually known about what Brexit would entail.

“Only just enough Democracy, not too much, and certainly not for the likes of Scotland” would be more accurate in this case, it’s as spurious a claim as all the other rubbish I saw spouted on the subject.

[Bimbowomxn]

Well, for a start I think the word itself is a red herring, those who use it as an incantation regarding Brexit were usually also the ones most vociferous in their objections to a second referendum once more was actually known about what Brexit would entail.

You reckon we should do the same if Scotland votes again.


All the UK has to do is clearly explain there’s no currency and Scotland owes 250 billion quid of debt. Simples.

[Slick]

Don’t see a better place to put it but have to be fair and say the governments/Boris green plans are a huge step forward, radical even

[fishfoodie]

Don’t see a better place to put it but have to be fair and say the governments/Boris green plans are a huge step forward, radical even

The problem isn't the message; it's the messenger.

With his track record on pissing away vast amounts of money on vanity projects; mostly going to consultants; there's probably an understandable skepticism on what'll be delivered, compared with what's promised.

I'd have doubts about the amount of money being committed, will prove remotely close to whats needed. How much will developing & building, just the Nuclear power plants ?

[Hal Jordan]

And now we're going to spaff money on our own Space Force. GB! GB! GB!

[Paddington Bear]

And now we're going to spaff money on our own Space Force. GB! GB! GB!

There's an exceptionally strong case for raising defence spending at the moment. Whilst Space Force is obviously a bit of a meme, keeping up with technological advances is a good use of the money.

[Slick]

Don’t see a better place to put it but have to be fair and say the governments/Boris green plans are a huge step forward, radical even

The problem isn't the message; it's the messenger.

With his track record on pissing away vast amounts of money on vanity projects; mostly going to consultants; there's probably an understandable skepticism on what'll be delivered, compared with what's promised.

I'd have doubts about the amount of money being committed, will prove remotely close to whats needed. How much will developing & building, just the Nuclear power plants ?

Well, its not nearly enough cash and there will of course be legitimate concerns about delivery etc, but I think fairs, fair, it is an extremely bold statement and world leading in its scale.

[Hal Jordan]

And now it appears that the money Caroline Lucas ((C) Farage) has promised to the big green shakeup has largely already been announced, with only £3bn actually being new funds. Stop me if you've heard this before.

[fishfoodie]

And now it appears that the money Caroline Lucas ((C) Farage) has promised to the big green shakeup has largely already been announced, with only £3bn actually being new funds. Stop me if you've heard this before.

I wonder is it the same story with the Defense money ?

Is the space force going to get enough money for a box of bangers, & the majority is getting spaffed on a Trident replacement ?

[Longshanks]

Covid might win
Talks suspended
EU member of team positive

[Slick]

Covid might win
Talks suspended
EU member of team positive

Makes a nice change

[Biffer]

Just from the last page, I'd like to highlight that 77% self sufficient means you're not self sufficient.

[Longshanks]

Just from the last page, I'd like to highlight that 77% self sufficient means you're not self sufficient.

Wow
Who knew that?

[Biffer]

Just from the last page, I'd like to highlight that 77% self sufficient means you're not self sufficient.

Wow
Who knew that?

The way some people were arguing about it, it appears not everyone.