So, coronavirus...

[Openside]

Wales issues guidance that Christmas bubbles should be restricted to 2 households. But the law will remain 3 households

And a fresh lockdown for Wales starting on the 28th.

I assume backed by the Welsh pop at large?? if polls are to be believed.

[Slick]

Cases going up quite quickly in Edinburgh as well it seems.

As an aside, my wife got pinged by the Scottish trace app this morning about someone she was near last Sunday so told to isolate for 2 days. Seems a little late.

So this was a mistake sent out to hundreds of people using the Scottish app.... 2 days taken off work for nothing

[frodder]

Wales issues guidance that Christmas bubbles should be restricted to 2 households. But the law will remain 3 households

And a fresh lockdown for Wales starting on the 28th.

I assume backed by the Welsh pop at large?? if polls are to be believed.

The WG are probably more hated in Wales than they've ever been before.

[SaintK]

So with the worst death rate in Europe and according to scientific advice likely carnage in the New Year due to his decision making now. The utter cunt of a Prime Minister decides on some comedy at his press conference

Have yourself a merry little Christmas but this year, alas, preferably a very little Christmas.

[Openside]

So with the worst death rate in Europe and according to scientific advice likely carnage in the New Year due to his decision making now. The utter cunt of a Prime Minister decides on some comedy at his press conference

Have yourself a merry little Christmas but this year, alas, preferably a very little Christmas.

Do you not think the reason that they have relaxed the rules over Christmas is merely to prevent criminalising the majority of the country? He is either too late, too early, too lax too strict there is no winning this thing everyone wants a good old whinge maybe the Australians were right all along.

[Openside]

And a fresh lockdown for Wales starting on the 28th.

I assume backed by the Welsh pop at large?? if polls are to be believed.

The WG are probably more hated in Wales than they've ever been before.

There is anti government feeling everywhere (see above) but do the people support the lockdown ? as we are told the polls suggest.

[Slick]

I assume backed by the Welsh pop at large?? if polls are to be believed.

The WG are probably more hated in Wales than they've ever been before.

There is anti government feeling everywhere (see above) but do the people support the lockdown ? as we are told the polls suggest.

I don’t think there actually is anti government feeling everywhere. I still think the majority are giving them the benefit of the doubt in an unprecedented situation

[Jock42]

So with the worst death rate in Europe and according to scientific advice likely carnage in the New Year due to his decision making now. The utter cunt of a Prime Minister decides on some comedy at his press conference

Have yourself a merry little Christmas but this year, alas, preferably a very little Christmas.

Do you not think the reason that they have relaxed the rules over Christmas is merely to prevent criminalising the majority of the country? He is either too late, too early, too lax too strict there is no winning this thing everyone wants a good old whinge maybe the Australians were right all along.

Thats exactly the reason I think its happened. Folk will break the rules (people are now) so just admit defeat.

[TB63]

I assume backed by the Welsh pop at large?? if polls are to be believed.

The WG are probably more hated in Wales than they've ever been before.

There is anti government feeling everywhere (see above) but do the people support the lockdown ? as we are told the polls suggest.

TBH, we've got to the point with climbing cases around us, we've sorta just shrugged and thought the whole situation is a shitstorm, whatever they do, it is what it is, if this lockdown works, so be it..If it doesn't...Roll on my jabs,chips and all..

[Sandstorm]

I support the lockdown. Always have.

Good friend’s Xmas is fucked. His 14 year old son tested positive yesterday. Had to cancel his brother and wife coming over on 22nd-26th. Kicked the builders off site with plywood instead of glass in the gaps of the new extension. Gutted.

[Bimbowomxn]

It's vintage of a particularly British attitude to our own stuff that is fairly cringeworthy. It must be crap because it's British, everyone else definitely doesn't have similar issues, rather than hope it works aim for snark from the start. Bin.

It's true, really infuriates me.

The current situation also seems to be quite British though. Opinion polls say the majority of people don't want a relaxation of rules over Christmas but unless we are actually told not to do it, the majority will go ahead anyway.

I wonder who they are talking to in these polls, I haven't spoken to a single advocate of lockdowns for months. FTR I am obeying them (before there is a pile on. )

They’re talking to the same 80% that will self isolate when asked but actually don’t.

[Bimbowomxn]

I support the lockdown. Always have.

Good friend’s Xmas is fucked. His 14 year old son tested positive yesterday. Had to cancel his brother and wife coming over on 22nd-26th. Kicked the builders off site with plywood instead of glass in the gaps of the new extension. Gutted.

First world problems .

[Ymx]

The WG are probably more hated in Wales than they've ever been before.

There is anti government feeling everywhere (see above) but do the people support the lockdown ? as we are told the polls suggest.

I don’t think there actually is anti government feeling everywhere. I still think the majority are giving them the benefit of the doubt in an unprecedented situation

Have you not seen the rabid bunch who created and contribute to the churlish “Tory Scum” thread.
Or are they a small extremist minority?

[Line6 HXFX]

The whole year has been just nuts. Started with mum having a serious blood infection the day of the lockdown, that took months to get her well..ended last week with mum falling and shattering her rotator cuff (the shoulder joint, think that is what it is called), and waiting 7 hours for an ambulance.
Who then took her to a minor injuries unit as the Grange was jam packed and completely swamped.
Not sure a shattered shoulder is a minor injury.

The Welsh NHS isn't at breaking point, it completely collapsed on the weekend.

[Hong Kong]

[Bimbowomxn]

The whole year has been just nuts. Started with mum having a serious blood infection the day of the lockdown, that took months to get her well..ended last week with mum falling and shattering her rotator cuff (the shoulder joint, think that is what it is called), and waiting 7 hours for an ambulance.
Who then took her to a minor injuries unit as the Grange was jam packed and completely swamped.
Not sure a shattered shoulder is a minor injury.

The Welsh NHS isn't at breaking point, it completely collapsed on the weekend.

Labour run Welsh NHS.

[JM2K6]

Who the fuck is trying to protect Paul Joseph Watson by cutting his name out of that?

[mat the expat]

No one, but no one thinks lockdowns are the way forward. Since golf clubs are full of generally older members of the population (who are most at risk) it doesn't even really make sense as a theory??

Why would their thinking matter if they are not scientists and health specialists?

How do you think Melbourne eradicated it's infection spike - it's not a theory, it's application

[Carter's Choice]

No one, but no one thinks lockdowns are the way forward. Since golf clubs are full of generally older members of the population (who are most at risk) it doesn't even really make sense as a theory??

Why would their thinking matter if they are not scientists and health specialists?

How do you think Melbourne eradicated it's infection spike - it's not a theory, it's application

Why do the anti-lockdown brigade refuse to acknowledge that there examples of lockdowns being extremely successful and effective.

Keeping in mind Openside, when asked about the risks of COVID-19 to the old and at-risk, arrogantly declared that they, "had to die of something". He's the UK's version of Clogs.

[Ted.]

I wonder who they are talking to in these polls, I haven't spoken to a single advocate of lockdowns for months. FTR I am obeying them (before there is a pile on. )

people not at the golf club I imagine

Contrary to popular belief I don't spend all my time at the golf course, (there is also Real Tennis to consider ) I talk you a reasonably large number of people and No one, but no one thinks lockdowns are the way forward. Since golf clubs are full of generally older members of the population (who are most at risk) it doesn't even really make sense as a theory??

Openside, sadly, it appears that you converse with easily led imbeciles on a regular basis. Mind, the version of lockdowns your government imposes might have tainted their thinking, so on receipt of further evidence, I'm willing to consider that I am being uncharitable.

[Ted.]

14% GDP jump completes NZ's 'V'-shaped recovery

Economic activity has bounced back to pre-Covid levels, with GDP rising a record 14 per cent in the three months to September 30, Stats NZ has reported.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/123696 ... d-recovery

That's despite continued detrimental affect on tourism, hospitality and related transport industries.

I know it's 'different' in GB and Europe, hell the NH in general, but surely you can look elsewhere for ideas without compromising anything but the virus?

[JM2K6]

Lockdowns work, but in specific circumstances:

1) you must be able to test, test, test
2) you must be able to effectively track clusters of infections and trace every contact
3) you must be able to prevent new infections arriving from outside the lockdown area
4) you must lockdown properly and at the right time (which then reduces the length of the lockdown) and not keeping 'going to the well'

Our lockdowns are essentially a sign of major failures in all of these areas. There's a reason the WHO has been saying lockdowns are a last resort and not the solution.

[dpedin]

Lockdowns work, but in specific circumstances:

1) you must be able to test, test, test
2) you must be able to effectively track clusters of infections and trace every contact
3) you must be able to prevent new infections arriving from outside the lockdown area
4) you must lockdown properly and at the right time (which then reduces the length of the lockdown) and not keeping 'going to the well'

Our lockdowns are essentially a sign of major failures in all of these areas. There's a reason the WHO has been saying lockdowns are a last resort and not the solution.

Agree 100%! UK have fecked this up big style and that shows in the death and economic numbers. We failed in all the above plus actively encouraged folk to go out and spread the virus by paying them to sit and eat in restaurants and pubs. Not only that we also allowed folk to come from a locked down city to fly here and watch a football match and other to go watch horse racing. Absolute madness. In trying to 'save the economy' we have ended up making matters 100x worse. Incompetence and ineptitude in spades.

[Bimbowomxn]

Lockdowns work, but in specific circumstances:

1) you must be able to test, test, test
2) you must be able to effectively track clusters of infections and trace every contact
3) you must be able to prevent new infections arriving from outside the lockdown area
4) you must lockdown properly and at the right time (which then reduces the length of the lockdown) and not keeping 'going to the well'

Our lockdowns are essentially a sign of major failures in all of these areas. There's a reason the WHO has been saying lockdowns are a last resort and not the solution.

Agree 100%! UK have fecked this up big style and that shows in the death and economic numbers. We failed in all the above plus actively encouraged folk to go out and spread the virus by paying them to sit and eat in restaurants and pubs. Not only that we also allowed folk to come from a locked down city to fly here and watch a football match and other to go watch horse racing. Absolute madness. In trying to 'save the economy' we have ended up making matters 100x worse. Incompetence and ineptitude in spades.

In hindsight .........

I wish we could have been Japan as well,

[Openside]

The WG are probably more hated in Wales than they've ever been before.

There is anti government feeling everywhere (see above) but do the people support the lockdown ? as we are told the polls suggest.

I don’t think there actually is anti government feeling everywhere. I still think the majority are giving them the benefit of the doubt in an unprecedented situation

You are joking there is barely a person in the UK with a good word to say about the government. Endless fucking whinging about everything.

[Openside]

people not at the golf club I imagine

Contrary to popular belief I don't spend all my time at the golf course, (there is also Real Tennis to consider ) I talk you a reasonably large number of people and No one, but no one thinks lockdowns are the way forward. Since golf clubs are full of generally older members of the population (who are most at risk) it doesn't even really make sense as a theory??

Openside, sadly, it appears that you converse with easily led imbeciles on a regular basis. Mind, the version of lockdowns your government imposes might have tainted their thinking, so on receipt of further evidence, I'm willing to consider that I am being uncharitable.

why do you think they are easily led imbeciles?? Most of my mates and social circle are captains of Industry etc. they are not tin foil hat wearing twitter debaters... Social distancing as much as possible is the way forward, its certainly worked for my family for the last 9 months. I just feel its got to the point where the proportion of the population who are frankly not statistically at risk need to be allowed to get on with it. If you are vulnerable or fearful isolate yourself. Interested to see how the vaccine is taken up/works to restore some sense of normality...

[Openside]

I support the lockdown. Always have.

Good friend’s Xmas is fucked. His 14 year old son tested positive yesterday. Had to cancel his brother and wife coming over on 22nd-26th. Kicked the builders off site with plywood instead of glass in the gaps of the new extension. Gutted.

I certainly supported the first one.

[JM2K6]

Openside, it's a virus that spreads very quickly and easily and would still kills many tens of thousands of "not at risk" people, hospitalise many more, and make life a misery for the whole population (while fucking the economy). While also increasing the risk of death for vulnerable people, because there's no way to "just get on with it" while still protecting the vulnerable.

As this puts it https://www.johnsnowmemo.com/

Any pandemic management strategy relying upon immunity from natural infections for COVID-19 is flawed. Uncontrolled transmission in younger people risks significant morbidity(3) and mortality across the whole population. In addition to the human cost, this would impact the workforce as a whole and overwhelm the ability of healthcare systems to provide acute and routine care.

Furthermore, there is no evidence for lasting protective immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following natural infection(4) and the endemic transmission that would be the consequence of waning immunity would present a risk to vulnerable populations for the indefinite future. Such a strategy would not end the COVID-19 pandemic but result in recurrent epidemics, as was the case with numerous infectious diseases before the advent of vaccination. It would also place an unacceptable burden on the economy and healthcare workers, many of whom have died from COVID-19 or experienced trauma as a result of having to practise disaster medicine. Additionally, we still do not understand who might suffer from long COVID(3). Defining who is vulnerable is complex, but even if we consider those at risk of severe illness, the proportion of vulnerable people constitute as much as 30% of the population in some regions(8). Prolonged isolation of large swathes of the population is practically impossible and highly unethical. Empirical evidence from many countries shows that it is not feasible to restrict uncontrolled outbreaks to particular sections of society. Such an approach also risks further exacerbating the socioeconomic inequities and structural discriminations already laid bare by the pandemic. Special efforts to protect the most vulnerable are essential but must go hand-in-hand with multi-pronged population-level strategies.

[frodder]

I absolutely hate the lockdowns to the core but get it. I absolutely detest the social media keyboard warriors ramming everything down people's throats. My neighbour has been deluging FB with his 'views' aka I'm right and everyone else is wrong for months. Just in time for his in-laws to turn up or have some friends around.

I'll go along with everything and follow any rules in the hope 2021 brings us some sort of normality.

[Slick]

Contrary to popular belief I don't spend all my time at the golf course, (there is also Real Tennis to consider ) I talk you a reasonably large number of people and No one, but no one thinks lockdowns are the way forward. Since golf clubs are full of generally older members of the population (who are most at risk) it doesn't even really make sense as a theory??

Openside, sadly, it appears that you converse with easily led imbeciles on a regular basis. Mind, the version of lockdowns your government imposes might have tainted their thinking, so on receipt of further evidence, I'm willing to consider that I am being uncharitable.

why do you think they are easily led imbeciles?? Most of my mates and social circle are captains of Industry etc. they are not tin foil hat wearing twitter debaters... Social distancing as much as possible is the way forward, its certainly worked for my family for the last 9 months. I just feel its got to the point where the proportion of the population who are frankly not statistically at risk need to be allowed to get on with it. If you are vulnerable or fearful isolate yourself. Interested to see how the vaccine is taken up/works to restore some sense of normality...

I don't think they are easily led imbeciles but there is definately a "type" that has these opinions. People who think they are above it, entitled, ego driven, that type. And I include a few of my close friends and brother in law in that group.

[Insane_Homer]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[dpedin]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsa ... plications

Interesting but worrying report. Although still work in progress it shows that we shouldn't just be worried about death rates but also the longer term consequences of the virus. Research by David Strain, National Institute for Health Research suggests 4 types of consequence - permanent organ damage to the lungs and heart, post-intensive-care syndrome, post-viral fatigue syndrome and continuing Covid-19 symptoms. Nasty!

[Bimbowomxn]

Openside, it's a virus that spreads very quickly and easily and would still kills many tens of thousands of "not at risk" people, hospitalise many more, and make life a misery for the whole population (while fucking the economy). While also increasing the risk of death for vulnerable people, because there's no way to "just get on with it" while still protecting the vulnerable.

In the UK it hasn’t killed 10’s of thousands of “not at risk” this is a flat out untruth .

[dpedin]

ONS data suggests that about 9% of over 16 year olds (ex care homes) in England had an antibody present, suggesting they had previously been infected. less in Wales, Scotland and NI. However we dont know how long the antibody, and thus immunity, persists. Interestingly London had one of the highest rates of antibody present in study and now have one of the highest growth in case numbers again. So, without a vaccine we would have a long way to go in terms of deaths, long covid and wider health impacts?

[I like neeps]

Equally if you could separate the vulnerable people and those who are not governments would have done this. But you cannot do that so they haven't. Governments don't want to lockdown - nobody wants to lockdown. But there is no other option. Sweden, the States all have had to lockdown eventually.

[Rinkals]

Openside, it's a virus that spreads very quickly and easily and would still kills many tens of thousands of "not at risk" people, hospitalise many more, and make life a misery for the whole population (while fucking the economy). While also increasing the risk of death for vulnerable people, because there's no way to "just get on with it" while still protecting the vulnerable.

In the UK it hasn’t killed 10’s of thousands of “not at risk” this is a flat out untruth .

You don't read so good, do you?

[JM2K6]

Openside, it's a virus that spreads very quickly and easily and would still kills many tens of thousands of "not at risk" people, hospitalise many more, and make life a misery for the whole population (while fucking the economy). While also increasing the risk of death for vulnerable people, because there's no way to "just get on with it" while still protecting the vulnerable.

In the UK it hasn’t killed 10’s of thousands of “not at risk” this is a flat out untruth .

You don't read so good, do you?

Christ alive. He's so addicted to replying and being contrary that he point blank refuses to "read, comprehend, then post".

[frodder]

Openside, it's a virus that spreads very quickly and easily and would still kills many tens of thousands of "not at risk" people, hospitalise many more, and make life a misery for the whole population (while fucking the economy). While also increasing the risk of death for vulnerable people, because there's no way to "just get on with it" while still protecting the vulnerable.

In the UK it hasn’t killed 10’s of thousands of “not at risk” this is a flat out untruth .

You don't read so good, do you?

JM was talking in the future tense, Bimbo in the past/present. That's my take

[Saint]

Huge swathe of the South East of England moving to Tier 3.

Bristol and North Somerset move from 3 to 2, and Herefordshire from 2 to 1

[Openside]

Openside, sadly, it appears that you converse with easily led imbeciles on a regular basis. Mind, the version of lockdowns your government imposes might have tainted their thinking, so on receipt of further evidence, I'm willing to consider that I am being uncharitable.

why do you think they are easily led imbeciles?? Most of my mates and social circle are captains of Industry etc. they are not tin foil hat wearing twitter debaters... Social distancing as much as possible is the way forward, its certainly worked for my family for the last 9 months. I just feel its got to the point where the proportion of the population who are frankly not statistically at risk need to be allowed to get on with it. If you are vulnerable or fearful isolate yourself. Interested to see how the vaccine is taken up/works to restore some sense of normality...

I don't think they are easily led imbeciles but there is definately a "type" that has these opinions. People who think they are above it, entitled, ego driven, that type. And I include a few of my close friends and brother in law in that group.

Maybe, but I don’t feel entitled and I am definitely obeying lockdown I just am not sure it is working how it’s meant to. I suspect to be successful it needs to be total barring food shops and I just don’t think that is viable in a non totalitarian state. We really have to learn to live with it or hope the efficacy rates of vaccines are correct or their will be economic meltdown.