Stop voting for fucking Tories

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UNICEF needing to rescue UK

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/jacob-re ... d-12165584

“For the first time ever, UNICEF, the UN agency responsible for providing humanitarian aid to children, is having to feed working-class kids in the UK," she said.

"But while children go hungry, a wealthy few enjoy obscene riches.

From Tory donors handed billions in dodgy contracts, to people like the Leader of the House - who is reportedly in line to receive an £800,000 dividend payout this year."


And she went on to ask: "So will you give government time to discuss the need to make him and his super-rich chums pay their fair share so that we can end the grotesque inequality that scars our society?"

Mentioned above on this page.

£25k from unicef is hardly a rescue - it’s a poke in the eye to the government though.

[Openside]

UNICEF needing to rescue UK

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/jacob-re ... d-12165584

“For the first time ever, UNICEF, the UN agency responsible for providing humanitarian aid to children, is having to feed working-class kids in the UK," she said.

"But while children go hungry, a wealthy few enjoy obscene riches.

From Tory donors handed billions in dodgy contracts, to people like the Leader of the House - who is reportedly in line to receive an £800,000 dividend payout this year."


And she went on to ask: "So will you give government time to discuss the need to make him and his super-rich chums pay their fair share so that we can end the grotesque inequality that scars our society?"

Mentioned above on this page.

£25k from unicef is hardly a rescue - it’s a poke in the eye to the government though.

Is it fuck, it is a shameless publicity stunt with our own money!!

[Random1]

UNICEF needing to rescue UK

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/jacob-re ... d-12165584

Mentioned above on this page.

£25k from unicef is hardly a rescue - it’s a poke in the eye to the government though.

Is it fuck, it is a shameless publicity stunt with our own money!!

Yeah, sorry, that’s what I said further up, what I’m referring to with the poke in the eye, is this will be picked up and used against them, despite the fact that it’s a nonsense.

It’s the same when the UN criticise us for human rights offences.

It’s all politics with a big P.

[Random1]

UNICEF needing to rescue UK

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/jacob-re ... d-12165584

Mentioned above on this page.

£25k from unicef is hardly a rescue - it’s a poke in the eye to the government though.

Is it fuck, it is a shameless publicity stunt with our own money!!

And your point about it being our own money is spot on. I didn’t realise we gave so much to unicef; nearly $500m in 2019.

Cheeky cunts.

[Openside]

Mentioned above on this page.

£25k from unicef is hardly a rescue - it’s a poke in the eye to the government though.

Is it fuck, it is a shameless publicity stunt with our own money!!

And your point about it being our own money is spot on. I didn’t realise we gave so much to unicef; nearly $500m in 2019.

Cheeky cunts.

Anyone who gives us a hard time over this needs dragging to the roadside and disembowelling - twats

[I like neeps]

I mean starving children are starving children no matter the geographical location...

[Random1]

Looks like the conservatives have found a nice little theme here.

https://www.conservativehome.com/parlia ... -text.html

Speech from truss that could have been written by Jordan Peterson. I think this will play well, and to be fair I’m struggling to disagree with it. Although, I’d prefer she didn’t take the pointless jabs at labour in there. Childish.

Tldr; Tory minister announces that government are actively rejecting identity politics and the general postmodernist philosophy.

They are setting up a group to look at levelling up, particularly around class and geography rather than narrow focus on race, sex etc.

More power to their elbow.

[Random1]

I mean starving children are starving children no matter the geographical location...

There’s no evidence of starving kids that I’ve seen.

There were 2500 kids admitted to hospital due to malnutrition up to July this year, but BAPEN (an authority on nutrition) advise its potentially down to lockdown exacerbation childhood nutrition disease rather than food shortages (in paraphrasing but source is here if anyone’s interested https://www.bapen.org.uk/bapen-statemen ... nd-doubles )

UNICEF is supposed to be for combatting famine, there isn’t one in the Uk.

[I like neeps]

I mean starving children are starving children no matter the geographical location...

There’s no evidence of starving kids that I’ve seen.

There were 2500 kids admitted to hospital due to malnutrition up to July this year, but BAPEN (an authority on nutrition) advise its potentially down to lockdown exacerbation childhood nutrition disease rather than food shortages (in paraphrasing but source is here if anyone’s interested https://www.bapen.org.uk/bapen-statemen ... nd-doubles )

UNICEF is supposed to be for combatting famine, there isn’t one in the Uk.

It isn't - UNICEF is for children in danger. Which if they aren't being fed, they are in danger.

The government accepts it's a problem - see the free school meals u-turns and 400m they poured into it too.

[Random1]

I mean starving children are starving children no matter the geographical location...

There’s no evidence of starving kids that I’ve seen.

There were 2500 kids admitted to hospital due to malnutrition up to July this year, but BAPEN (an authority on nutrition) advise its potentially down to lockdown exacerbation childhood nutrition disease rather than food shortages (in paraphrasing but source is here if anyone’s interested https://www.bapen.org.uk/bapen-statemen ... nd-doubles )

UNICEF is supposed to be for combatting famine, there isn’t one in the Uk.

It isn't - UNICEF is for children in danger. Which if they aren't being fed, they are in danger.

The government accepts it's a problem - see the free school meals u-turns and 400m they poured into it too.

That’s the problem with u turns; it makes it look like the point is accepted, when it isn’t.

Mogg was in parliament today rejecting the premise of unicef’s work in the Uk, so I don’t think they have accepted it.

I read fairly widely, and I haven’t seen any stories about children starving in the Uk. The conversation is usually around the kids’ concentration levels in school, or parents skipping meals or using food banks.

Have a look at the unicef webpage, it’s all about Yemen and famine. Not about the developed world.

For what it’s worth, my full opinion is that the school meal u-turn gave unicef an opportunity to poke the government in the eye on this topic, as the left truly believe the torries are scum, and so they took that opportunity.

Fair enough on some levels; if it helps some kids at school and reduces stress for some parents, I won’t begrudge it. However, for me, it’s a cynical piece of politicking from an organisation set up to deal with famine, which should avoid biting the hand that feeds it. Ultimately, Its work in the third world is needed orders of magnitude more than we do here and they’re jeopardising that.

The question springing to my mind now is, how long before the daily mail crew start demanding the $490m we give unisef is spent at home.

If kids are starving here and geography, like you say, isn’t an issue, then why not redirect that funding to our own kids rather than paying unisef a handling fee to spend it here anyway?

Short sighted.

Edit; bloody autocorrect.

[Openside]

There’s no evidence of starving kids that I’ve seen.

There were 2500 kids admitted to hospital due to malnutrition up to July this year, but BAPEN (an authority on nutrition) advise its potentially down to lockdown exacerbation childhood nutrition disease rather than food shortages (in paraphrasing but source is here if anyone’s interested https://www.bapen.org.uk/bapen-statemen ... nd-doubles )

UNICEF is supposed to be for combatting famine, there isn’t one in the Uk.

It isn't - UNICEF is for children in danger. Which if they aren't being fed, they are in danger.

The government accepts it's a problem - see the free school meals u-turns and 400m they poured into it too.

That’s the problem with u turns; it makes it look like the point is accepted, when it isn’t.

Mogg was in parliament today rejecting the premise of unicef’s work in the Uk, so I don’t think they have accepted it.

I read fairly widely, and I haven’t seen any stories about children starving in the Uk. The conversation is usually around the kids’ concentration levels in school, or parents skipping meals or using food banks.

Have a look at the unicef webpage, it’s all about Yemen and famine. Not about the developed world.

For what it’s worth, my full opinion is that the school meal u-turn gave unicef an opportunity to poke the government in the eye on this topic, as the left truly believe the torries are scum, and so they took that opportunity.

Fair enough on some levels; if it helps some kids at school and reduces stress for some parents, I won’t begrudge it. However, for me, it’s a cynical piece of politicking from an organisation set up to deal with famine, which should avoid biting the hand that feeds it. Ultimately, Its work in the third world is needed orders of magnitude more than we do here and they’re jeopardising that.

The question springing to my mind now is, how long before the daily mail crew start demanding the $490m we give unisef is spent at home.

If kids are starving here and geography, like you say, isn’t an issue, then why not redirect that funding to our own kids rather than paying unisef a handling fee to spend it here anyway?

Short sighted.

Edit; bloody autocorrect.

it would be a spectacular own goal!!

[I like neeps]

There’s no evidence of starving kids that I’ve seen.

There were 2500 kids admitted to hospital due to malnutrition up to July this year, but BAPEN (an authority on nutrition) advise its potentially down to lockdown exacerbation childhood nutrition disease rather than food shortages (in paraphrasing but source is here if anyone’s interested https://www.bapen.org.uk/bapen-statemen ... nd-doubles )

UNICEF is supposed to be for combatting famine, there isn’t one in the Uk.

It isn't - UNICEF is for children in danger. Which if they aren't being fed, they are in danger.

The government accepts it's a problem - see the free school meals u-turns and 400m they poured into it too.

That’s the problem with u turns; it makes it look like the point is accepted, when it isn’t.

Mogg was in parliament today rejecting the premise of unicef’s work in the Uk, so I don’t think they have accepted it.

I read fairly widely, and I haven’t seen any stories about children starving in the Uk. The conversation is usually around the kids’ concentration levels in school, or parents skipping meals or using food banks.

Have a look at the unicef webpage, it’s all about Yemen and famine. Not about the developed world.

For what it’s worth, my full opinion is that the school meal u-turn gave unicef an opportunity to poke the government in the eye on this topic, as the left truly believe the torries are scum, and so they took that opportunity.

Fair enough on some levels; if it helps some kids at school and reduces stress for some parents, I won’t begrudge it. However, for me, it’s a cynical piece of politicking from an organisation set up to deal with famine, which should avoid biting the hand that feeds it. Ultimately, Its work in the third world is needed orders of magnitude more than we do here and they’re jeopardising that.

The question springing to my mind now is, how long before the daily mail crew start demanding the $490m we give unisef is spent at home.

If kids are starving here and geography, like you say, isn’t an issue, then why not redirect that funding to our own kids rather than paying unisef a handling fee to spend it here anyway?

Short sighted.

Edit; bloody autocorrect.

Yes they get free school meals and food bank assisted meals because the parents can't afford food otherwise therefore they don't starve. And even if they didn't U-turn there's still food poverty in the UK - holiday hunger isn't a new phenomenon nor are food banks.

Fwiw I agree it was stupid for UNICEF to publicise that they give a trivial amount when the UK govt gives them so much money. It won't highlight the problems of food poverty and it won't make the UK government more amenable to changing things as they haven't for 10 years+.

But don't worry, a UNICEF need to do is find a friend of a cabinet member and they'll get even more money than before.

[JM2K6]

Looks like the conservatives have found a nice little theme here.

https://www.conservativehome.com/parlia ... -text.html

Speech from truss that could have been written by Jordan Peterson. I think this will play well, and to be fair I’m struggling to disagree with it. Although, I’d prefer she didn’t take the pointless jabs at labour in there. Childish.

Tldr; Tory minister announces that government are actively rejecting identity politics and the general postmodernist philosophy.

They are setting up a group to look at levelling up, particularly around class and geography rather than narrow focus on race, sex etc.

More power to their elbow.

Fuck me, government along the lines of Jordan Peterson's views would be an absolute disaster.

Is Liz Truss aware the Tories have been in power for over a decade? The swipes at the left are funny enough, but the pompous rejections of "identity politics" were even more laughable, given how they were immediately followed by paragraphs of promises about gender, race, class, and sexuality...

[SaintK]

Looks like the conservatives have found a nice little theme here.

https://www.conservativehome.com/parlia ... -text.html

Speech from truss that could have been written by Jordan Peterson. I think this will play well, and to be fair I’m struggling to disagree with it. Although, I’d prefer she didn’t take the pointless jabs at labour in there. Childish.

Tldr; Tory minister announces that government are actively rejecting identity politics and the general postmodernist philosophy.

They are setting up a group to look at levelling up, particularly around class and geography rather than narrow focus on race, sex etc.

More power to their elbow.

Fuck me, government along the lines of Jordan Peterson's views would be an absolute disaster.

Is Liz Truss aware the Tories have been in power for over a decade? The swipes at the left are funny enough, but the pompous rejections of "identity politics" were even more laughable, given how they were immediately followed by paragraphs of promises about gender, race, class, and sexuality...

Quite how she has got this far in government is unfathomable!

Liz Truss has been accused of setting an “appalling standard” on equality in government after it emerged that of more than 250 trade advisers she has appointed, fewer than a quarter are women and 95% are white.
The analysis comes before Truss, who is the minister for women and equalities as well as the international trade secretary, announced a shift in government equality priorities away from gender and race.

[I like neeps]

As a comprehensive school student in Leeds in the 1980s, I was struck by the lip service that was paid to equality by the City Council while children from disadvantaged backgrounds were let down.

While we were taught about racism and sexism, there was too little time spent making sure everyone could read and write.

Didn't realise Thatcher's Britain was so obsessed with teaching schools about racism and sexism and not reading and writing.

[JM2K6]

As a comprehensive school student in Leeds in the 1980s, I was struck by the lip service that was paid to equality by the City Council while children from disadvantaged backgrounds were let down.

While we were taught about racism and sexism, there was too little time spent making sure everyone could read and write.

Didn't realise Thatcher's Britain was so obsessed with teaching schools about racism and sexism and not reading and writing.

As a schoolkid in the 80s I too was well up to speed on the City Council's equality policies

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As a comprehensive school student in Leeds in the 1980s, I was struck by the lip service that was paid to equality by the City Council while children from disadvantaged backgrounds were let down.

While we were taught about racism and sexism, there was too little time spent making sure everyone could read and write.

Didn't realise Thatcher's Britain was so obsessed with teaching schools about racism and sexism and not reading and writing.

As a schoolkid in the 80s I too was well up to speed on the City Council's equality policies

Now that I do believe

[SaintK]

Friends, chums, donors and cronies all doing well.

During the coronavirus pandemic the UK government awarded roughly 1,200 contracts - worth more than £12bn of public money and without competition - to companies either run by friends and associates of politicians in the Conservative Party, or to firms with no prior experience or a history of controversy, a New York Times (paywall) investigation has revealed.
As just over half of the contracts awarded in the first seven months of the pandemic remain concealed from the public, those analysed by the Times only represent a fraction of the total. It is therefore impossible to know how much the government has truly spent on Covid-19 procurement.

During the coronavirus pandemic the UK government awarded roughly 1,200 contracts - worth more than £12bn of public money and without competition - to companies either run by friends and associates of politicians in the Conservative Party, or to firms with no prior experience or a history of controversy, a New York Times (paywall) investigation has revealed.
As just over half of the contracts awarded in the first seven months of the pandemic remain concealed from the public, those analysed by the Times only represent a fraction of the total. It is therefore impossible to know how much the government has truly spent on Covid-19 procurement.

Our investigation also found that the government’s PPE tsar — former investment banker and Olympics boss Lord Deighton — has financial interests or personal ties to at least seven companies awarded hundreds of millions of pounds in public contracts.

[ASMO]

Friends, chums, donors and cronies all doing well.

During the coronavirus pandemic the UK government awarded roughly 1,200 contracts - worth more than £12bn of public money and without competition - to companies either run by friends and associates of politicians in the Conservative Party, or to firms with no prior experience or a history of controversy, a New York Times (paywall) investigation has revealed.
As just over half of the contracts awarded in the first seven months of the pandemic remain concealed from the public, those analysed by the Times only represent a fraction of the total. It is therefore impossible to know how much the government has truly spent on Covid-19 procurement.

During the coronavirus pandemic the UK government awarded roughly 1,200 contracts - worth more than £12bn of public money and without competition - to companies either run by friends and associates of politicians in the Conservative Party, or to firms with no prior experience or a history of controversy, a New York Times (paywall) investigation has revealed.
As just over half of the contracts awarded in the first seven months of the pandemic remain concealed from the public, those analysed by the Times only represent a fraction of the total. It is therefore impossible to know how much the government has truly spent on Covid-19 procurement.

Our investigation also found that the government’s PPE tsar — former investment banker and Olympics boss Lord Deighton — has financial interests or personal ties to at least seven companies awarded hundreds of millions of pounds in public contracts.

Just as importantly, how many of those MP's/Minister's had declared an interest in those companies on the Parliamentary register?

[fishfoodie]

Friends, chums, donors and cronies all doing well.

During the coronavirus pandemic the UK government awarded roughly 1,200 contracts - worth more than £12bn of public money and without competition - to companies either run by friends and associates of politicians in the Conservative Party, or to firms with no prior experience or a history of controversy, a New York Times (paywall) investigation has revealed.
As just over half of the contracts awarded in the first seven months of the pandemic remain concealed from the public, those analysed by the Times only represent a fraction of the total. It is therefore impossible to know how much the government has truly spent on Covid-19 procurement.

During the coronavirus pandemic the UK government awarded roughly 1,200 contracts - worth more than £12bn of public money and without competition - to companies either run by friends and associates of politicians in the Conservative Party, or to firms with no prior experience or a history of controversy, a New York Times (paywall) investigation has revealed.
As just over half of the contracts awarded in the first seven months of the pandemic remain concealed from the public, those analysed by the Times only represent a fraction of the total. It is therefore impossible to know how much the government has truly spent on Covid-19 procurement.

Our investigation also found that the government’s PPE tsar — former investment banker and Olympics boss Lord Deighton — has financial interests or personal ties to at least seven companies awarded hundreds of millions of pounds in public contracts.

Just as importantly, how many of those MP's/Minister's had declared an interest in those companies on the Parliamentary register?

and just as important as that; why is this something that is comprehensively covered in the NYT; & meanwhile the media in the UK .....

[I like neeps]

Friends, chums, donors and cronies all doing well.

Just as importantly, how many of those MP's/Minister's had declared an interest in those companies on the Parliamentary register?

and just as important as that; why is this something that is comprehensively covered in the NYT; & meanwhile the media in the UK .....

Exactly this. This is a clear as day corruption scandal and just nobody is covering it except the Guardian in parts.

[Random1]

Looks like the conservatives have found a nice little theme here.

https://www.conservativehome.com/parlia ... -text.html

Speech from truss that could have been written by Jordan Peterson. I think this will play well, and to be fair I’m struggling to disagree with it. Although, I’d prefer she didn’t take the pointless jabs at labour in there. Childish.

Tldr; Tory minister announces that government are actively rejecting identity politics and the general postmodernist philosophy.

They are setting up a group to look at levelling up, particularly around class and geography rather than narrow focus on race, sex etc.

More power to their elbow.

Fuck me, government along the lines of Jordan Peterson's views would be an absolute disaster.

Is Liz Truss aware the Tories have been in power for over a decade? The swipes at the left are funny enough, but the pompous rejections of "identity politics" were even more laughable, given how they were immediately followed by paragraphs of promises about gender, race, class, and sexuality...

I’m not a massive fan of Peterson (his religious views are not to my taste); but he has some good points on post modernism, identity politics and equality.

Which of his views do you disagree with?

Not trying to start a shit fight here - genuinely curious.

[Random1]

Friends, chums, donors and cronies all doing well.

Just as importantly, how many of those MP's/Minister's had declared an interest in those companies on the Parliamentary register?

and just as important as that; why is this something that is comprehensively covered in the NYT; & meanwhile the media in the UK .....

Yeah, not great, but the issue is non-preparedness and incompetence rather than conscious corruption for me.

The idea that emergency contracts can be procured and mobilised with proper competition is a nonsense in an emergency situation - it’s so much of a nonsense, that the law has exemptions for such circumstances.

I speak from experience in terms of having to procure things like Ppe etc earlier this year for our company - being put in a position where you’re trusting someone to deliver, whilst not knowing them from Adam is not a nice feeling. I would have loved a trusted network to have called upon.

And so I can imagine ministers and civil servants trusting people already in their network.

The main thing is that contracts should have been in place beforehand. This shit was reasonably foreseeable.

The only way to procure with competition for an emergency, is to do it before the emergency.

[JM2K6]

Looks like the conservatives have found a nice little theme here.

https://www.conservativehome.com/parlia ... -text.html

Speech from truss that could have been written by Jordan Peterson. I think this will play well, and to be fair I’m struggling to disagree with it. Although, I’d prefer she didn’t take the pointless jabs at labour in there. Childish.

Tldr; Tory minister announces that government are actively rejecting identity politics and the general postmodernist philosophy.

They are setting up a group to look at levelling up, particularly around class and geography rather than narrow focus on race, sex etc.

More power to their elbow.

Fuck me, government along the lines of Jordan Peterson's views would be an absolute disaster.

Is Liz Truss aware the Tories have been in power for over a decade? The swipes at the left are funny enough, but the pompous rejections of "identity politics" were even more laughable, given how they were immediately followed by paragraphs of promises about gender, race, class, and sexuality...

I’m not a massive fan of Peterson (his religious views are not to my taste); but he has some good points on post modernism, identity politics and equality.

Which of his views do you disagree with?

Not trying to start a shit fight here - genuinely curious.

Most of them? He talks a huge amount of bollocks - it's typical charlatan faux-science crossed with some dull observations dressed up as new-wave conservatism. I consider him to be an absolute spoofer. He's a retrograde arsehole spinning his credentials as far as they'll go.

Glad to see he's recovered from his coma and his "meat, salt, water" diet hasn't killed him.

[JM2K6]

Just as importantly, how many of those MP's/Minister's had declared an interest in those companies on the Parliamentary register?

and just as important as that; why is this something that is comprehensively covered in the NYT; & meanwhile the media in the UK .....

Yeah, not great, but the issue is non-preparedness and incompetence rather than conscious corruption for me.

The idea that emergency contracts can be procured and mobilised with proper competition is a nonsense in an emergency situation - it’s so much of a nonsense, that the law has exemptions for such circumstances.

I speak from experience in terms of having to procure things like Ppe etc earlier this year for our company - being put in a position where you’re trusting someone to deliver, whilst not knowing them from Adam is not a nice feeling. I would have loved a trusted network to have called upon.

And so I can imagine ministers and civil servants trusting people already in their network.

The main thing is that contracts should have been in place beforehand. This shit was reasonably foreseeable.

The only way to procure with competition for an emergency, is to do it before the emergency.

This doesn't pass the sniff test at all. They were ignoring companies well placed to provide PPE in order to go with... tiny unknown companies with links to Tory donors who in most cases simply didn't produce the goods.

Surely in that situation you don't gamble on companies with zero track record and zero expertise, right?

[dpedin]

Just read the Liz Truss speech and it really is a pile of very smelly poo. The starting point of her whole premise, where she said, 'The British story has been driven from its earliest days by the desire for liberty, agency, and fairness' doesn't quite reflect the reality of the British Empire and our colonial history. Even harder to take from a member of the Gov who have presided over the Windrush scandal and are still denying residency to many ex service men who served for many years in our armed forces but who came from a variety of our ex colonies. She also seems to forget her party has been in power for the last 10 years and either have done feck all about many of the issues she complains about or have made things worse.

This sounds like a clarion call to rally round and fight a new 'enemy of the British people' now that Brexit is concluding (we think) and they need someone else to replace Johnny Foreigner as the invisible and imaginary enemy. It is almost Trumpian in its tone. Perhaps she should stick to cheese and pork quotas?

[Bimbowomxn]

Truss has done an excellent job in her actual “job” this year. I agree her thinking about “british” is a bit mixed, however we give credence to special “Scottish” history which is if anything less progressive than British as a whole.



Oh and if there was one poster who thinks he’s cleverer than Peterson.


Everytime the tenured professor is reduced to a vacuous sound bite from an identitarian his case is made stronger,

[Bimbowomxn]

Friends, chums, donors and cronies all doing well.

During the coronavirus pandemic the UK government awarded roughly 1,200 contracts - worth more than £12bn of public money and without competition - to companies either run by friends and associates of politicians in the Conservative Party, or to firms with no prior experience or a history of controversy, a New York Times (paywall) investigation has revealed.
As just over half of the contracts awarded in the first seven months of the pandemic remain concealed from the public, those analysed by the Times only represent a fraction of the total. It is therefore impossible to know how much the government has truly spent on Covid-19 procurement.

During the coronavirus pandemic the UK government awarded roughly 1,200 contracts - worth more than £12bn of public money and without competition - to companies either run by friends and associates of politicians in the Conservative Party, or to firms with no prior experience or a history of controversy, a New York Times (paywall) investigation has revealed.
As just over half of the contracts awarded in the first seven months of the pandemic remain concealed from the public, those analysed by the Times only represent a fraction of the total. It is therefore impossible to know how much the government has truly spent on Covid-19 procurement.

Our investigation also found that the government’s PPE tsar — former investment banker and Olympics boss Lord Deighton — has financial interests or personal ties to at least seven companies awarded hundreds of millions of pounds in public contracts.

Just as importantly, how many of those MP's/Minister's had declared an interest in those companies on the Parliamentary register?

The MP’s and ministers personally made money from these companies and had shares and stuff.

[I like neeps]

Yeah, not great, but the issue is non-preparedness and incompetence rather than conscious corruption for me.

The idea that emergency contracts can be procured and mobilised with proper competition is a nonsense in an emergency situation - it’s so much of a nonsense, that the law has exemptions for such circumstances.

I speak from experience in terms of having to procure things like Ppe etc earlier this year for our company - being put in a position where you’re trusting someone to deliver, whilst not knowing them from Adam is not a nice feeling. I would have loved a trusted network to have called upon.

And so I can imagine ministers and civil servants trusting people already in their network.

The main thing is that contracts should have been in place beforehand. This shit was reasonably foreseeable.

The only way to procure with competition for an emergency, is to do it before the emergency.

This doesn't pass the sniff test at all. They were ignoring companies well placed to provide PPE in order to go with... tiny unknown companies with links to Tory donors who in most cases simply didn't produce the goods.

Surely in that situation you don't gamble on companies with zero track record and zero expertise, right?

I agree. But anyhow how is accidentally giving loads of money to your mates for substandard equipment a good defence? Either they're corrupt or just very bad at government and know/hire a load of people who are corrupt in that they've used influence for cash.

[Random1]

Fuck me, government along the lines of Jordan Peterson's views would be an absolute disaster.

Is Liz Truss aware the Tories have been in power for over a decade? The swipes at the left are funny enough, but the pompous rejections of "identity politics" were even more laughable, given how they were immediately followed by paragraphs of promises about gender, race, class, and sexuality...

I’m not a massive fan of Peterson (his religious views are not to my taste); but he has some good points on post modernism, identity politics and equality.

Which of his views do you disagree with?

Not trying to start a shit fight here - genuinely curious.

Most of them? He talks a huge amount of bollocks - it's typical charlatan faux-science crossed with some dull observations dressed up as new-wave conservatism. I consider him to be an absolute spoofer. He's a retrograde arsehole spinning his credentials as far as they'll go.

Glad to see he's recovered from his coma and his "meat, salt, water" diet hasn't killed him.

How about the collectivism vs individualism stuff he talks about?

And the post modernist commentary?

That’s the stuff that really interests me.

[Random1]

and just as important as that; why is this something that is comprehensively covered in the NYT; & meanwhile the media in the UK .....

Yeah, not great, but the issue is non-preparedness and incompetence rather than conscious corruption for me.

The idea that emergency contracts can be procured and mobilised with proper competition is a nonsense in an emergency situation - it’s so much of a nonsense, that the law has exemptions for such circumstances.

I speak from experience in terms of having to procure things like Ppe etc earlier this year for our company - being put in a position where you’re trusting someone to deliver, whilst not knowing them from Adam is not a nice feeling. I would have loved a trusted network to have called upon.

And so I can imagine ministers and civil servants trusting people already in their network.

The main thing is that contracts should have been in place beforehand. This shit was reasonably foreseeable.

The only way to procure with competition for an emergency, is to do it before the emergency.

This doesn't pass the sniff test at all. They were ignoring companies well placed to provide PPE in order to go with... tiny unknown companies with links to Tory donors who in most cases simply didn't produce the goods.

Surely in that situation you don't gamble on companies with zero track record and zero expertise, right?

You’re assuming the larger ones had capacity - the NHS gobbled up so much of the normal stock, that I wouldn’t be surprised if they couldn’t fulfil the government’s orders.

You may be right though.

I just think incompetence and panic is more likely than corruption, as the corruption stuff is virtually impossible to hide these days. I just don’t think MPs would be stupid enough nor Immoral enough to do it for money in this situation.

They can make plenty in ways that don’t threaten their career and reputation.

[JM2K6]

How about the collectivism vs individualism stuff he talks about?

A confused and contradictory mess, mostly.

And the post modernist commentary?
That’s the stuff that really interests me.

The bit where he wanks on about post-modern neo-Marxism? That alone should be enough to make you roll your eyes, hard. It's a tired retread of what is essentially a conspiracy theory. He bungs together a load of different concepts that sound clever without really making any coherent or logical arguments. He's a grifter, and a successful one, but he does not actually make sense, and spends an awful lot of time talking verifiable bollocks.

There's a reason why there's so many soundbites of him talking cock. It's because he really does talk a load of cock.

You’re assuming the larger ones had capacity - the NHS gobbled up so much of the normal stock, that I wouldn’t be surprised if they couldn’t fulfil the government’s orders.

You may be right though.

I just think incompetence and panic is more likely than corruption, as the corruption stuff is virtually impossible to hide these days. I just don’t think MPs would be stupid enough nor Immoral enough to do it for money in this situation.

They can make plenty in ways that don’t threaten their career and reputation.

Many, many companies came forward publicly to say they were willing and able to help, and that the govt flat out ignored them.

I do not share your trust in the current bunch of charlatans. Remind me, why did Cheltenham go ahead again...?


edit: This is a pretty interesting conversation/argument that touches on many of the same things re: Peterson and his arguments https://www.researchgate.net/post/Post- ... nsequences - it's worth a read, I certainly found it educational at the time.

[Random1]

How about the collectivism vs individualism stuff he talks about?

A confused and contradictory mess, mostly.

And the post modernist commentary?
That’s the stuff that really interests me.

The bit where he wanks on about post-modern neo-Marxism? That alone should be enough to make you roll your eyes, hard. It's a tired retread of what is essentially a conspiracy theory. He bungs together a load of different concepts that sound clever without really making any coherent or logical arguments. He's a grifter, and a successful one, but he does not actually make sense, and spends an awful lot of time talking verifiable bollocks.

There's a reason why there's so many soundbites of him talking cock. It's because he really does talk a load of cock.

You’re assuming the larger ones had capacity - the NHS gobbled up so much of the normal stock, that I wouldn’t be surprised if they couldn’t fulfil the government’s orders.

You may be right though.

I just think incompetence and panic is more likely than corruption, as the corruption stuff is virtually impossible to hide these days. I just don’t think MPs would be stupid enough nor Immoral enough to do it for money in this situation.

They can make plenty in ways that don’t threaten their career and reputation.

Many, many companies came forward publicly to say they were willing and able to help, and that the govt flat out ignored them.

I do not share your trust in the current bunch of charlatans. Remind me, why did Cheltenham go ahead again...?


edit: This is a pretty interesting conversation/argument that touches on many of the same things re: Peterson and his arguments https://www.researchgate.net/post/Post- ... nsequences - it's worth a read, I certainly found it educational at the time.

Great - I’ll take a read, thank you.

I like this guy’s lecture on post modernism (albeit, there’s a twat that keeps banging a chair in the lecture hall).



The origins of postmodernism are fascinating to me. Ultra scepticism to the point where there are no truths nor fact really explains so much of the world to me at the minute.

The lecture is a really good watch, I’d recommend it to anyone who finds interest in post truth, identity politics and the overall culture war.

Think I may even have picked the lecture series up on the PR bored

Here’s a second lecture (first of two) which is also good.



No annoying seat, but the lecturer does distract me by saying hmmmmm-Ok after making his points. Struggle not to picture south park when he does it.

If anyone else has any decent material on this sort of stuff, please feel free to share, as I’m doing night feeds at the moment, and could use the distraction.

[SaintK]

Looks like the conservatives have found a nice little theme here.

https://www.conservativehome.com/parlia ... -text.html

Speech from truss that could have been written by Jordan Peterson. I think this will play well, and to be fair I’m struggling to disagree with it. Although, I’d prefer she didn’t take the pointless jabs at labour in there. Childish.

Tldr; Tory minister announces that government are actively rejecting identity politics and the general postmodernist philosophy.

They are setting up a group to look at levelling up, particularly around class and geography rather than narrow focus on race, sex etc.

More power to their elbow.

Fuck me, government along the lines of Jordan Peterson's views would be an absolute disaster.

Is Liz Truss aware the Tories have been in power for over a decade? The swipes at the left are funny enough, but the pompous rejections of "identity politics" were even more laughable, given how they were immediately followed by paragraphs of promises about gender, race, class, and sexuality...

Truss's speech was up on the Government website soon after she made it.
For some reason the following day about 20% of it had been redacted

"Provocative" sections of a controversial speech by Liz Truss on equality were deleted from the version uploaded to their official website for being too political.
The women and equalities minister gave a speech yesterday detailing how she would overhaul the breif to move focus away from "fashionable" issued of race and gender, to instead focus on economic inequalities.
In her address she claimed that when she was at school, her teachers had spent too much time focusing on racism and sexism, and “there was too little time spent making sure everyone could read and write”.

Too strong for the Tory Press Office I guess?

[Random1]

Looks like the conservatives have found a nice little theme here.

https://www.conservativehome.com/parlia ... -text.html

Speech from truss that could have been written by Jordan Peterson. I think this will play well, and to be fair I’m struggling to disagree with it. Although, I’d prefer she didn’t take the pointless jabs at labour in there. Childish.

Tldr; Tory minister announces that government are actively rejecting identity politics and the general postmodernist philosophy.

They are setting up a group to look at levelling up, particularly around class and geography rather than narrow focus on race, sex etc.

More power to their elbow.

Fuck me, government along the lines of Jordan Peterson's views would be an absolute disaster.

Is Liz Truss aware the Tories have been in power for over a decade? The swipes at the left are funny enough, but the pompous rejections of "identity politics" were even more laughable, given how they were immediately followed by paragraphs of promises about gender, race, class, and sexuality...

Truss's speech was up on the Government website soon after she made it.
For some reason the following day about 20% of it had been redacted

"Provocative" sections of a controversial speech by Liz Truss on equality were deleted from the version uploaded to their official website for being too political.
The women and equalities minister gave a speech yesterday detailing how she would overhaul the breif to move focus away from "fashionable" issued of race and gender, to instead focus on economic inequalities.
In her address she claimed that when she was at school, her teachers had spent too much time focusing on racism and sexism, and “there was too little time spent making sure everyone could read and write”.

Too strong for the Tory Press Office I guess?

Guido have highlighted the bits they’ve cut here; https://order-order.com/2020/12/18/read ... t-website/

[Bimbowomxn]

The bit where he wanks on about post-modern neo-Marxism? That alone should be enough to make you roll your eyes, hard. It's a tired retread of what is essentially a conspiracy theory. He bungs together a load of different concepts that sound clever without really making any coherent or logical arguments. He's a grifter, and a successful one, but he does not actually make sense, and spends an awful lot of time talking verifiable bollocks.

He’s a very successful academic , business advisor, and personal physician who with 12 rules for life presented an opposite of “bulging together loads of concepts “ and produced a book which caught the imagination partially because of its concise nature to a broad audience.


He’s your krypton though I get that. He points out the absolute corruption of post modern beliefs and as importantly he points out the “why” they are pushed.

[Insane_Homer]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coats_Group#Controversy

https://caltonjock.com/2015/04/02/itali ... ound-reve/

But Nick found a legal way around the reforms so that all of the employees of Coats-Paton would be exempt from the benefits of the legislation.

This was a time of sweatshops in the textile industries and Nick helped deny rights to his employees.

A study of the timeline of Coats-Patons factories opening globally reveals a hard-line capitalist approach.

When, in developing countries, they were faced with challenges to their mode of operation the company simply “upped sticks” and transferred their power looms to more receptive countries taking full advantage of weaker legal systems and lower wages.

Following a number of mergers, the company is now known as Coats PLC.

It operates sites (together with other multinationals) in many countries worldwide, including India, Peru, Columbia, Ecuador, Brazil, the Philippines, Venezuela, Pakistan, and Turkey.

In the 1970’s World Trading Authorities applied pressure intent on bringing to an end the shoddy business practices of Coats-Paton and other multinationals which were revealed to be tantamount to slavery.

[Bimbowomxn]

Nasty piece from a bitter jock who fails to mention the SNP open support for Hitler. These are the people some will side with over innuendo and sins of the father.


Knowing who the scum are is getting more difficult.

[SaintK]

Nasty piece from a bitter jock who fails to mention the SNP open support for Hitler. These are the people some will side with over innuendo and sins of the father.


Knowing who the scum are is getting more difficult.

What?

[Bimbowomxn]

Nasty piece from a bitter jock who fails to mention the SNP open support for Hitler. These are the people some will side with over innuendo and sins of the father.


Knowing who the scum are is getting more difficult.

What?

Don’t worry they were a right wing party at the time.