South African teams vote to join an expanded Pro 14

[Ted.]

They'll be gone Soon.

[Chilli]

SARU was planning to sue RA and NZR? Can you post a link to that please?

I know I told you to find your own links, but I'm feeling generous today.

Here is an article from July 22nd quoting SARU Chief Jurie Roux threatening legal action against NZR if they went with a SR comp in 2021 that didn't include the South Africans. And now we're told they've just voted to join the Pro 14. Hypocrites much?


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/a ... d=12349971

Rugby: South Africa Rugby issue warning to New Zealand Rugby over new Super Rugby competition snub
22 Jul, 2020 3:00pm

South Africa Rugby chief executive Jurie Roux has joined his Australian counterparts in warning New Zealand Rugby over any plans to form a new Super Rugby competition without them.

New Zealand and Australia are currently wrangling over the makeup of a new competition, but traditional foes South Africa – who were already eyeing up the European competitions - appear to have been sidelined from talks.

New Zealand may also push for limited Australian involvement in a possible eight-team competition, although there is a big move for a Pasifika team to be formed. The Aussies are threatening to go it alone if New Zealand takes its snub too far.

Roux said overnight that New Zealand Rugby could face legal action if they broke the current agreement.

"If anybody kicked anyone out of Super Rugby, it was New Zealand kicking themselves out," Roux said.

"New Zealand has every right to determine their future but in terms of Sanzaar and the joint venture agreement, there is a very legal agreement in place and you've got to act within that legal agreement.

"The unbundling of Super Rugby can only be a Sanzaar executive decision. Somebody else might make a unilateral decision that forces (a split) but they put themselves at risk of a legal liability by the people who are still part of the joint venture."

Highlanders hooker and Māori All Blacks captain Ash Dixon expressed his disappointment over New Zealand's potential split with South Africa.

Dixon told Gold AM's Country Sport Breakfast: "I'd love to see the Africans still there. I think it's a huge part of the rivalry between New Zealand and South Africa.

"Especially as a young fella who has toured there…it's a great way to get a lot of gratitude…the way they live their lives and the way we do is completely different.

"Obviously it is not an easy place to win – I'd love to see the Africans still there."

After a slow start, South Africa's been ravaged by Covid-19 since May, with no sport being played and leading players only now allowed back to train in groups of five.

Roux said the world champions won't play at home this season.

"We are not planning on hosting any international games in South Africa this year. That's the system we're currently working with. Our best chance of play is either within New Zealand and if that doesn't materialise within the Rugby Championship, a second option is us going north and possibly playing test matches."

New Zealand Rugby chief executive Mark Robinson last week confirmed NZR is working with the Government to host the Rugby Championship through November and December, but playing Bledisloe Cup fixtures in Australia remains up for discussion.

Sanzaar announced that the four-team Rugby Championship would be held in New Zealand later this year, provided the Government approve travel exemptions and quarantine measures, and the Covid-19 situation here does not deteriorate.

Robinson suggested New Zealand hosting a six-week Rugby Championship from early November to mid-December was feasible and that all four nations were on board.

"It's very positive news for rugby in New Zealand. It's a significant opportunity for the game here and the entire country which we're excited about and eager to begin work with the Government to see what we can make happen," Robinson said.

"Our thoughts go out to our joint venture countries in South Africa, Argentina and Australia about the challenges they're working through and if we are to get this tournament off the ground in New Zealand the great lengths they'll have to go to with their players and families and administrators to make this happen."

Where does it say that SARU are suing RA?

[Blake]

Because there was nothing else on.

What other Rugby is usually on at that time of the day in the UK/Europe?

It’s not about what other rugby is on in that timeslot, it’s about if there is interest in watching the matches that are on in an inconvenient timeslot.

During lockdown you had a captive audience, starved for ANY sport. While the standard or rugby looked excellent from the highlights I watched, I really couldn’t be bothered getting into it.

I only used to watch NZ and Aus Super Rugby matches to see what the South African team would be up against when we played them, or because log movements had an impact on my team(s).

When you don’t have skin in the game, interest wanes.

Like I said, I think NZ rugby is going to be in for a rude awakening but I really hope I am wrong. I hope there is a lot of interest in their tournament. I want NZ rugby to be a strong as possible.

In SA it appears as if SARU has finally come to terms with our situation (financial, political and geographical) and I’m glad that our administrators are being proactive in re-designing and re-aligning our structures to reflect this.

While SR was a dead end for us, I really hope NZ and Aus can make it work for them. Seems like everybody will be getting what they wanted after all.

[assfly]

I can't wait.

The prospect of seeing the Sharks play Munster, Leinster, Edinburgh is tantalizing.

Will be nice to get our hands on some of that Welsh money that I've heard so much about.

[OomStruisbaai]

SARU was planning to sue RA and NZR? Can you post a link to that please?

I know I told you to find your own links, but I'm feeling generous today.

Here is an article from July 22nd quoting SARU Chief Jurie Roux threatening legal action against NZR if they went with a SR comp in 2021 that didn't include the South Africans. And now we're told they've just voted to join the Pro 14. Hypocrites much?


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/a ... d=12349971

Rugby: South Africa Rugby issue warning to New Zealand Rugby over new Super Rugby competition snub
22 Jul, 2020 3:00pm

South Africa Rugby chief executive Jurie Roux has joined his Australian counterparts in warning New Zealand Rugby over any plans to form a new Super Rugby competition without them.

New Zealand and Australia are currently wrangling over the makeup of a new competition, but traditional foes South Africa – who were already eyeing up the European competitions - appear to have been sidelined from talks.

New Zealand may also push for limited Australian involvement in a possible eight-team competition, although there is a big move for a Pasifika team to be formed. The Aussies are threatening to go it alone if New Zealand takes its snub too far.

Roux said overnight that New Zealand Rugby could face legal action if they broke the current agreement.

"If anybody kicked anyone out of Super Rugby, it was New Zealand kicking themselves out," Roux said.

"New Zealand has every right to determine their future but in terms of Sanzaar and the joint venture agreement, there is a very legal agreement in place and you've got to act within that legal agreement.

"The unbundling of Super Rugby can only be a Sanzaar executive decision. Somebody else might make a unilateral decision that forces (a split) but they put themselves at risk of a legal liability by the people who are still part of the joint venture."

Highlanders hooker and Māori All Blacks captain Ash Dixon expressed his disappointment over New Zealand's potential split with South Africa.

Dixon told Gold AM's Country Sport Breakfast: "I'd love to see the Africans still there. I think it's a huge part of the rivalry between New Zealand and South Africa.

"Especially as a young fella who has toured there…it's a great way to get a lot of gratitude…the way they live their lives and the way we do is completely different.

"Obviously it is not an easy place to win – I'd love to see the Africans still there."

After a slow start, South Africa's been ravaged by Covid-19 since May, with no sport being played and leading players only now allowed back to train in groups of five.

Roux said the world champions won't play at home this season.

"We are not planning on hosting any international games in South Africa this year. That's the system we're currently working with. Our best chance of play is either within New Zealand and if that doesn't materialise within the Rugby Championship, a second option is us going north and possibly playing test matches."

New Zealand Rugby chief executive Mark Robinson last week confirmed NZR is working with the Government to host the Rugby Championship through November and December, but playing Bledisloe Cup fixtures in Australia remains up for discussion.

Sanzaar announced that the four-team Rugby Championship would be held in New Zealand later this year, provided the Government approve travel exemptions and quarantine measures, and the Covid-19 situation here does not deteriorate.

Robinson suggested New Zealand hosting a six-week Rugby Championship from early November to mid-December was feasible and that all four nations were on board.

"It's very positive news for rugby in New Zealand. It's a significant opportunity for the game here and the entire country which we're excited about and eager to begin work with the Government to see what we can make happen," Robinson said.

"Our thoughts go out to our joint venture countries in South Africa, Argentina and Australia about the challenges they're working through and if we are to get this tournament off the ground in New Zealand the great lengths they'll have to go to with their players and families and administrators to make this happen."

Where does it say that SARU are suing RA?

Dunno why you bodder with him. One would thought he is glad. He always hate South Africa.

[Guy Smiley]

They'll be gone Soon.

They’re still here

[Jb1981]

They'll be gone Soon.

They’re still here

[Certain Navigator]

I for one will be very sad to no longer see the SA soup teams play in NZ. Sure, some (a very small number) of their refs in SA-hosted matches were a bit suspect, but it always seemed to me that was a reasonable price to pay for the experience of getting to play in SA, and their teams all offered far more interesting opposition than anything Oz could provide (with the occasional exception of the Brumbies). Plus their administrators were/are far more trustworthy than their Aussie counterparts (who I certainly hope NZR will keep at arms-length). Unfortunately, the time zone difference was/is an insurmountable obstacle, so maybe SA going to the Pro-X is the best solution for everyone.

If somebody could come up with a working Tardis, I'd be all for a NZ-SA competition that had Australia gone by lunchtime.

[stemoc]

so now 5 NZ teams, 4 Australia teams and a PI team in the now expanded SUPER DUPER 10?

[Carter's Choice]

so now 5 NZ teams, 4 Australia teams and a PI team in the now expanded SUPER DUPER 10?

I suspect that next year there will still be only domestic comps in 2021. NZ won't want to risk direct travel between them and Australia until the situation in Victoria is well and truly under control.

[OomStruisbaai]

I'd be all for a NZ-SA competition that had Australia gone by lunchtime.

AC take note, a real Kiwi supporter.

[Ellafan]

...their teams all offered far more interesting opposition than anything Oz could provide (with the occasional exception of the Brumbies)..

Apart from the waratahs and reds who both won the trophy in recent years?

That is piss poor trolling, please try harder.

[Ellafan]

so now 5 NZ teams, 4 Australia teams and a PI team in the now expanded SUPER DUPER 10?

I suspect that next year there will still be only domestic comps in 2021. NZ won't want to risk direct travel between them and Australia until the situation in Victoria is well and truly under control.

And NZR has now... ah .. reassessed developments ... and there is every chance there will be a 5+5 TT in 2022.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/sup ... lian-teams

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all ... uper-rugby

[OomStruisbaai]

IOL

. To make “qualification” for Pro rugby fair, Cheetahs boss Harold Verster, allegedly proposed in a meeting of SA Rugby bosses last Friday that the top four teams in this year’s Currie Cup (if that competition gets off the ground) play in Pro rugby next year, according to Rapport newspaper.

[Chilli]

IOL

. To make “qualification” for Pro rugby fair, Cheetahs boss Harold Verster, allegedly proposed in a meeting of SA Rugby bosses last Friday that the top four teams in this year’s Currie Cup (if that competition gets off the ground) play in Pro rugby next year, according to Rapport newspaper.

So it will be the Cheetahs Bulls, WP and Griquas then?

[OomStruisbaai]

IOL

. To make “qualification” for Pro rugby fair, Cheetahs boss Harold Verster, allegedly proposed in a meeting of SA Rugby bosses last Friday that the top four teams in this year’s Currie Cup (if that competition gets off the ground) play in Pro rugby next year, according to Rapport newspaper.

So it will be the Cheetahs Bulls, WP and Griquas then?

Jaaaa,

The Cheetahs are contracted till 2023, that may leave the last spot for the Lions.

[frodder]

I can't wait.

The prospect of seeing the Sharks play Munster, Leinster, Edinburgh is tantalizing.

Will be nice to get our hands on some of that Welsh money that I've heard so much about.

Too late, the Irish took the lot

[Sards]

I can't wait.

The prospect of seeing the Sharks play Munster, Leinster, Edinburgh is tantalizing.

Will be nice to get our hands on some of that Welsh money that I've heard so much about.

After that impressive display of Skilz we saw from the Sharks this year teams will be itching to test themselves.

Besides the obvious fact that the Sharks are the feeder system that injects skill and class into the NH.

[OomStruisbaai]

Sharks can only play well against Kiwi teams

[Sards]

Sharks can only play well against Kiwi teams

Ja...suck against South Africans and Australian teams

[OomStruisbaai]

Sharks can only play well against Kiwi teams

Ja...suck against South Africans and Australian teams

And Scots

[OomStruisbaai]

Latest from Marinos
https://www.news24.com/sport/rugby/supe ... d-20200831

[handyman]

WP/Stormers will be there. The NH will want to play against the powerhouse province of the SH. The one with the most history, pedigree and tradition.

[assfly]

WP/Stormers will be there. The NH will want to play against the powerhouse province of the SH. The one with the most history, pedigree and tradition.

I certainly hope you're there. Unless the NH rugby administration has an issue with an ANC "firebrand" being the head of your union. Best sort that mess out quickly.

[Sards]

WP/Stormers will be there. The NH will want to play against the powerhouse province of the SH. The one with the most history, pedigree and tradition.

I certainly hope you're there. Unless the NH rugby administration has an issue with an ANC "firebrand" being the head of your union. Best sort that mess out quickly.

On the way to becoming the next Kings

[Chilli]

WP/Stormers will be there. The NH will want to play against the powerhouse province of the SH. The one with the most history, pedigree and tradition.

I certainly hope you're there. Unless the NH rugby administration has an issue with an ANC "firebrand" being the head of your union. Best sort that mess out quickly.

With a trade unionist at the helm they staff and players will be assured that they will be paid.

[Sards]

WP/Stormers will be there. The NH will want to play against the powerhouse province of the SH. The one with the most history, pedigree and tradition.

I certainly hope you're there. Unless the NH rugby administration has an issue with an ANC "firebrand" being the head of your union. Best sort that mess out quickly.

With a trade unionist at the helm they staff and players will be assured that they will be paid.

until they steal all the money or run out....

Always been my biggest reason for disliking WP....administration

[Sards]

you have to think all those taking packages in the NH made the right move.

Those that stayed behind are feeling the pinch

[Sandstorm]

Always been my biggest reason for disliking WP....administration

Even worse than the piss in the subway @ Newlands station?

[Sards]

Always been my biggest reason for disliking WP....administration

Even worse than the piss in the subway @ Newlands station?

Please don't deny it. Or you have never been there

[Sandstorm]

Always been my biggest reason for disliking WP....administration

Even worse than the piss in the subway @ Newlands station?

Please don't deny it. Or you have never been there

[OomStruisbaai]

SARU will decide at end of January of their team's will join the Pro16 in March 2021. It look hoghly unlikely with the current Covid-19 increase. More likely we'll join in October 2021. In this case the 4 teams will play in The Rainbow Cup from April 2021. There will also a SA Cup for all our teams. The 4 Pro16 B teams will play in this competition. Cheetahs, Kings, Griquas and Pumas and aal the provinces will qualify via the SA Cup for the CC.

[Carter's Choice]

Well done to South Africa. NZ and Australia didn't care for the old version of Super Rugby any longer, so you went and found yourselves a comp to play in. That's the best way to respond to being dumped, there's plenty of fish in the sea. I look forward to staying up till 3am to watch your teams playing the might of Zebre, Edinburgh and Benetton.

[Sandstorm]

Well done to South Africa. NZ and Australia didn't care for the old version of Super Rugby any longer, so you went and found yourselves a comp to play in. That's the best way to respond to being dumped, there's plenty of fish in the sea. I look forward to staying up till 3am to watch your teams playing the might of Zebre, Edinburgh and Benetton.

No-one in SA cares what you think.

[Carter's Choice]

Well done to South Africa. NZ and Australia didn't care for the old version of Super Rugby any longer, so you went and found yourselves a comp to play in. That's the best way to respond to being dumped, there's plenty of fish in the sea. I look forward to staying up till 3am to watch your teams playing the might of Zebre, Edinburgh and Benetton.

No-one in SA cares what you think.

You speak for the entire country of South Africa. I'm impressed

[assfly]

SARU will decide at end of January of their team's will join the Pro16 in March 2021. It look hoghly unlikely with the current Covid-19 increase. More likely we'll join in October 2021. In this case the 4 teams will play in The Rainbow Cup from April 2021. There will also a SA Cup for all our teams. The 4 Pro16 B teams will play in this competition. Cheetahs, Kings, Griquas and Pumas and aal the provinces will qualify via the SA Cup for the CC.

Sounds kinda gay to me.

[Chilli]

SARU will decide at end of January of their team's will join the Pro16 in March 2021. It look hoghly unlikely with the current Covid-19 increase. More likely we'll join in October 2021. In this case the 4 teams will play in The Rainbow Cup from April 2021. There will also a SA Cup for all our teams. The 4 Pro16 B teams will play in this competition. Cheetahs, Kings, Griquas and Pumas and aal the provinces will qualify via the SA Cup for the CC.

Sounds kinda gay to me.

Get in touch with your metrosexual self.

[Chilli]

Well done to South Africa. NZ and Australia didn't care for the old version of Super Rugby any longer, so you went and found yourselves a comp to play in. That's the best way to respond to being dumped, there's plenty of fish in the sea. I look forward to staying up till 3am to watch your teams playing the might of Zebre, Edinburgh and Benetton.

You are really such a liar.
You spend months crying like a baby because SA decided to leave Super Rugby, now you say that we were dumped out of the competition.

Trump must be such a hero to you.

[assfly]

To be honest it does sound like a mess.

We really need to be playing up north as soon as possible to get our guys ready for the Lions.

The difference in the standard of rugby between the Currie Cup and the Champions Cup is startling.

[Sandstorm]

To be honest it does sound like a mess.

We really need to be playing up north as soon as possible to get our guys ready for the Lions.

The difference in the standard of rugby between the Currie Cup and the Champions Cup is startling.

We are playing Up North. 80% of our Lions starting 15 will be from European Clubs. Here. First.