Rich countries are hoarding vaccines: 51% of doses reserved by 15% of world's population

[GogLais]

Which moniker did this 'new' lunatic post under previously? One of the benefits of NPR is that we don't really get brand new posters, everyone is a reincarnation of someone else.

Damn, I’m here under false pretences then.

How did you find this forum? If you google search 'Rugby chat forum' it takes a fair bit of searching to stumble across NPR.

I was a regular visitor to PR. I tried to join a couple of times but for whatever reason I didn't succeed. Is this place meant to be a sort of gentlemens invitation only club?

[Sandstorm]

AC is no gentleman

[sockwithaticket]

Damn, I’m here under false pretences then.

How did you find this forum? If you google search 'Rugby chat forum' it takes a fair bit of searching to stumble across NPR.

I was a regular visitor to PR. I tried to join a couple of times but for whatever reason I didn't succeed. Is this place meant to be a sort of gentlemens invitation only club?

No. As long as you're not consistently cunty and want to actually talk rugby, this place is open to whomever may stumble here. Or that's been my assumption.

[Chrysoprase]

No. As long as you're not consistently cunty and want to actually talk rugby, this place is open to whomever may stumble here. Or that's been my assumption.

Except the Irish, obviously

[Marylandolorian]

Which moniker did this 'new' lunatic post under previously? One of the benefits of NPR is that we don't really get brand new posters, everyone is a reincarnation of someone else. So who is the troll?

Not a lunatic. Just absolutely furious that my elderly vulnerable parents will be denied the vaccine while it seems certain countries will be hoarding surpluses way in excess of their requirements. And also why would Aus and NZ be in line ahead of say South Africa?

Don’t you think China should pay for the vaccines for at least the 3rd world countries ?

[sockwithaticket]

No. As long as you're not consistently cunty and want to actually talk rugby, this place is open to whomever may stumble here. Or that's been my assumption.

Except the Irish, obviously

They self excluded as they couldn't bear abandoning their thousands of pages of waffle in the other place, no?

[Chrysoprase]

No. As long as you're not consistently cunty and want to actually talk rugby, this place is open to whomever may stumble here. Or that's been my assumption.

Except the Irish, obviously

They self excluded as they couldn't bear abandoning their thousands of pages of waffle in the other place, no?

That's what they tell themselves, but the fact is they've been prevented from signing up by ASMO's mad coding skillz

[sockwithaticket]

Except the Irish, obviously

They self excluded as they couldn't bear abandoning their thousands of pages of waffle in the other place, no?

That's what they tell themselves, but the fact is they've been prevented from signing up by ASMO's mad coding skillz

I had no idea, how cunning.

[GogLais]

No. As long as you're not consistently cunty and want to actually talk rugby, this place is open to whomever may stumble here. Or that's been my assumption.

Except the Irish, obviously

What have I started?

[frodder]

A strange thread about Covid vaccines ends up about the Irish. It's just them them them

[Enzedder]

Not sure if it has been posted but we are also supplying all of our PI neighbours who otherwise would be at the arse end of the queue - cos we're good like that.

And we have sourced a damn sight more than 4 million - the figure 15 million comes to mind,

[Niegs]

Not sure if it has been posted but we are also supplying all of our PI neighbours who otherwise would be at the arse end of the queue - cos we're good like that.

And we have sourced a damn sight more than 4 million - the figure 15 million comes to mind,

Kiwis

[The Druid]

Fair play Kiwis.

[Saint]

A point about the Astrazeneca vaccine in particular - one if tgevreasons the Jenner Institute signed with AZ was the condition that they would license production FOC to the rest of the world- allowing SII to build out their own manufacturing for India and the rest if the region.

The one thing Hancock/BoJo have done properly during this whole mess is investment in Vaccine development and prepurchasing a LOT of potential candidates

[Slick]

And, particularly in Africa, there has been a lot of debt relief and donor funds gone in to buy PPE, testing kits and now vaccine.

The OP is very disingenuous

[GoTheCanes]

I don’t agree with everything on this thread, but I DO think that NZ getting any amount of vaccine before countries more deserving is nonsense!

They don’t need the vaccine. They have Covid under control and they are all fine. Back of the queue, Kiwis.

Don't you live in the UK? Guess you'll be waiting until everyone in South Africa gets the vaccine before getting in line won't you?

NZ put people befor the economy and have every right to vaccinate themselves and their PI neighbours (who did similar) as soon as they can and trolling them over it is just bullsh*t

[Marylandolorian]

Not sure if it has been posted but we are also supplying all of our PI neighbours who otherwise would be at the arse end of the queue - cos we're good like that.

And we have sourced a damn sight more than 4 million - the figure 15 million comes to mind,

Kiwis

They also showed the world that if you have a smart head of state, plus citizens caring about their community that it was possible to beat this pandemic.
Good job NZ, completely deserves to be on the first serve list.

[Ata Rangi]

I don’t agree with everything on this thread, but I DO think that NZ getting any amount of vaccine before countries more deserving is nonsense!

They don’t need the vaccine. They have Covid under control and they are all fine. Back of the queue, Kiwis.

Don't you live in the UK? Guess you'll be waiting until everyone in South Africa gets the vaccine before getting in line won't you?

NZ put people befor the economy and have every right to vaccinate themselves and their PI neighbours (who did similar) as soon as they can and trolling them over it is just bullsh*t

and a vaccine will enable Kiwis to travel wide and far sharing with others the secrets of their successful response, so that we can all celebrate it together and learn from these timely lessons.

[Slick]

I don’t agree with everything on this thread, but I DO think that NZ getting any amount of vaccine before countries more deserving is nonsense!

They don’t need the vaccine. They have Covid under control and they are all fine. Back of the queue, Kiwis.

Don't you live in the UK? Guess you'll be waiting until everyone in South Africa gets the vaccine before getting in line won't you?

NZ put people befor the economy and have every right to vaccinate themselves and their PI neighbours (who did similar) as soon as they can and trolling them over it is just bullsh*t

In fairness it was quite a gesture to say they were paying to vaccinate their neighbours

[Jb1981]

Not sure if it has been posted but we are also supplying all of our PI neighbours who otherwise would be at the arse end of the queue - cos we're good like that.

And we have sourced a damn sight more than 4 million - the figure 15 million comes to mind,

Good point re. supporting the Pacific. One of the articles that FalseBay quoted noted:

As well as covering Tokelau, Niue and the Cook Islands, which belong to the Realm of New Zealand, the government will offer vaccines to Pacific Island neighbors Samoa, Tonga and Tuvalu.

[Enzedder]

Yep, I knew it was more than 4 million doses

Two new agreements have been signed for two-dose vaccines: one for 7.6 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine, which will cover 3.8 million people; and another for 10.72 million doses of a vaccine from Novovax, enough for 5.36 million people.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health ... -and-tonga

New Zealand will purchase enough Covid-19 vaccines to cover its Pacific Island neighbours, including Samoa and Tonga.

The Government on Thursday announced it has signed two further pre-purchase agreements for Covid-19 vaccines, allowing it to begin vaccinating New Zealand's entire population from mid-2021.

Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta said New Zealand would also purchase enough vaccines for New Zealand Realm countries Tokelau, Niue, and the Cook Islands, as well as neighbours Tonga, Samoa, and Tuvalu, if those countries want to take up the offer.

The Government had allocated $75 million of development assistance money to help roll out the vaccine to these countries.

“Pacific countries have worked hard to keep Covid-19 out, or to stamp it out, and New Zealand has been committed to supporting them in this,” Mahuta said in a statement.

“But their success has been hard-won. A safe and effective vaccine will be key to the region’s economic and social recovery.”

Some $10m of the $75m assistance funding will go to the global COVAX facility, which works to provide equal access vaccines to countries across the world.

Covid-stricken countries across the world are urgently vaccinating their populations, as the virus spreads and deaths mount.

The United Kingdom has vaccinated 130,000 people since rolling out the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine a week ago, as the country goes into lockdown again over winter to ward of the virus’ spread.

Covid-19 deaths in the United States have eclipsed 300,000 this week, as the first health workers received the Pfizer vaccine after it was urgently given the green light by the Food and Drug Administration.

New Zealand has no cases of Covid-19 within the community currently, and 43 cases within quarantine facilities at the border.

The two new agreements announced on Thursday are for two-dose vaccines: one for 7.6 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine, which will cover 3.8m people; and another for 10.72m doses of a vaccine from Novovax, enough for 5.36m people.

I have absolutely no problem with UK and USA citizens being high up in the rankings
1) They paid for it
2) They are dying in greater numbers than most of the countries in the world
3) Greater numbers with the virus means greater chances of significant mutations.

[Dan54]

I will say I don't even know how it is distributed. I would imagine like it ot not countries that put money towards development did so on the premise of getting a certain allocation if that particular lab or whatever wassuccessful. It maybe a little unfair, but I think realistically it the only way that countries who economies were taking a hit were going to find money to assist with finding a vaccine. Like it or not in a democracy the government has to keep the voters somewhat happy and I would imagine most people would not of wanted their Govt's to help towrds vaccines if they weren't getting higher up in queue for said vaccine?
I can understand why you are frustrated and angry at not being able to get any for your parents, I would be probably the same if I was in your position (and lucky enough to still have parents alive), but I think blaming NZ and Aus (and any other countries) for looking after their own is probably not going to do anything but cause you a lot of angst that won't help you or your parents.

[Sandstorm]

I don’t agree with everything on this thread, but I DO think that NZ getting any amount of vaccine before countries more deserving is nonsense!

They don’t need the vaccine. They have Covid under control and they are all fine. Back of the queue, Kiwis.

Don't you live in the UK? Guess you'll be waiting until everyone in South Africa gets the vaccine before getting in line won't you?

NZ put people befor the economy and have every right to vaccinate themselves and their PI neighbours (who did similar) as soon as they can and trolling them over it is just bullsh*t

In fairness it was quite a gesture to say they were paying to vaccinate their neighbours

It’s not a selfless gesture. Their own AB supply line is drying up, so they’re targeting PI kids to poach again in earnest. Don’t be fooled.

[Guy Smiley]

Still no comment about the hoarding. Just gaslighting me as a lunatic or troll.

NZ have secured sufficient stocks to supply the Pacific Islands, you whining twat.

[Ted.]

Don't you live in the UK? Guess you'll be waiting until everyone in South Africa gets the vaccine before getting in line won't you?

NZ put people befor the economy and have every right to vaccinate themselves and their PI neighbours (who did similar) as soon as they can and trolling them over it is just bullsh*t

In fairness it was quite a gesture to say they were paying to vaccinate their neighbours

It’s not a selfless gesture. Their own AB supply line is drying up, so they’re targeting PI kids to poach again in earnest. Don’t be fooled.

We missed a trick not supplying Fiji, didn't we. We also fucked up hugely in not being at the front of the queue, it will be second quarter 2021 before we begin to receive the vaccines.

[Carter's Choice]

Damn, I’m here under false pretences then.

How did you find this forum? If you google search 'Rugby chat forum' it takes a fair bit of searching to stumble across NPR.

So still no response to the thread topic. Hope you and your family enjoy access to the vaccine glut.

How would you like me to respond? I have no idea when Australia will have access to vaccines relative to other nations.

[Enzedder]

In fairness it was quite a gesture to say they were paying to vaccinate their neighbours

It’s not a selfless gesture. Their own AB supply line is drying up, so they’re targeting PI kids to poach again in earnest. Don’t be fooled.

We missed a trick not supplying Fiji, didn't we. We also fucked up hugely in not being at the front of the queue, it will be second quarter 2021 before we begin to receive the vaccines.

I think we have more than enough for Fiji, Tonga, Cooks, Samoa, Tuvalu, Nuie and the Waipounamu

[Ted.]

It’s not a selfless gesture. Their own AB supply line is drying up, so they’re targeting PI kids to poach again in earnest. Don’t be fooled.

We missed a trick not supplying Fiji, didn't we. We also fucked up hugely in not being at the front of the queue, it will be second quarter 2021 before we begin to receive the vaccines.

I think we have more than enough for Fiji, Tonga, Cooks, Samoa, Tuvalu, Nuie and the Waipounamu

Yes, that checks out. Poor FalseBay is looking like a bit of a dick now, isn't he/she.

[stemoc]

NZ isn't giving any to fiji, we are buying our own..

[Ymx]

Those who contributed to the research and built the vaccines are first in line shocker.

After that it comes down to COVAX distribution and countries governments negotiating with the providers, if their govt chooses to. Eg NZ, etc.

[Blackmac]

Can't be arsed finding it but did some Indian billionaire not do a deal to produce 100s of millions of doses of the Oxford vaccine as long as Asia gets to keep 50% of all the production at cost prices.

[Biffer]

Can't be arsed finding it but did some Indian billionaire not do a deal to produce 100s of millions of doses of the Oxford vaccine as long as Asia gets to keep 50% of all the production at cost prices.

I think the University of Oxford made this kind of deal part of their conditions for partnering with Astra Zeneca.

[Blackmac]

Can't be arsed finding it but did some Indian billionaire not do a deal to produce 100s of millions of doses of the Oxford vaccine as long as Asia gets to keep 50% of all the production at cost prices.

I think the University of Oxford made this kind of deal part of their conditions for partnering with Astra Zeneca.

I believe he is also able to produce it at a fraction of the cost, so win, win. Hard to accuse the west of hoarding in that scenario.

[C69]

Can't be arsed finding it but did some Indian billionaire not do a deal to produce 100s of millions of doses of the Oxford vaccine as long as Asia gets to keep 50% of all the production at cost prices.

I think the University of Oxford made this kind of deal part of their conditions for partnering with Astra Zeneca.

I believe he is also able to produce it at a fraction of the cost, so win, win. Hard to accuse the west of hoarding in that scenario.

Aren't they being manufactured in India?

[Biffer]

I think the University of Oxford made this kind of deal part of their conditions for partnering with Astra Zeneca.

I believe he is also able to produce it at a fraction of the cost, so win, win. Hard to accuse the west of hoarding in that scenario.

Aren't they being manufactured in India?

Astra Zeneca were, I think, setting up seven major production facilities, UK, Europe, USA, India, don’t remember the others.

[C69]

The reality is in the developing World there are much less vaccines needed given their demographics.
Some Countries in Africa for instance have growing populations and mostly they are under 19.

We live in a Capitalist World, Money talks.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/08/ ... ns-africa/

[frodder]

I believe he is also able to produce it at a fraction of the cost, so win, win. Hard to accuse the west of hoarding in that scenario.

Aren't they being manufactured in India?

Astra Zeneca were, I think, setting up seven major production facilities, UK, Europe, USA, India, don’t remember the others.

The UK doesn't have a location to manufacture the vaccine. Sweden is the only location in Europe but the capacity there is so big it could make all the pharmaceuticals in the world let alone the vaccine. It's biggest single plant I've ever seen. The other main manufacture areas are India and China.

[Saint]

I believe he is also able to produce it at a fraction of the cost, so win, win. Hard to accuse the west of hoarding in that scenario.

Aren't they being manufactured in India?

Astra Zeneca were, I think, setting up seven major production facilities, UK, Europe, USA, India, don’t remember the others.

AZ are licensing to locAl producers. The major Indian company is SII (Serum Institute of India) - they have a license to produce 1 billion doses, and have been manufacturing 40-50 million doses a month since July. Half is reserved for India, the remainder going to Covax

[Saint]

Aren't they being manufactured in India?

Astra Zeneca were, I think, setting up seven major production facilities, UK, Europe, USA, India, don’t remember the others.

The UK doesn't have a location to manufacture the vaccine. Sweden is the only location in Europe but the capacity there is so big it could make all the pharmaceuticals in the world let alone the vaccine. It's biggest single plant I've ever seen. The other main manufacture areas are India and China.

The enormous bulk of the UK order will be manufactured in the UK, at Oxford Biomedica and Cobra Biologics in Keele, but the first few million or so will be coming from the Netherlands and Germany. Australia will be producing 30 million doses themselves

Most global production is intended to be fairly local in order to keep transportation costs down

[Blake]

It's the Oxford vaccine that will allow access for poorer countries, as it's a lot cheaper than the mrna ones.

Cheaper and requires less sophisticated supply chain infrastructure. It is going to be practically impossible for us to maintain a -70 supply chain in rural areas of South Africa.