So, coronavirus...

[Paddington Bear]

Also, I think people were more diligent in the first lockdown. By now people are flouting the rules.

So it’s not a reflection on the current state of rules.

There’s a valid point here. Certainly people were more personally worried I think

[Saint]

In terms of vaccine prioritisation, once the very old and at risk are done, should they not focus more on those cohorts more likely to be spreaders, even if less at risk.

Eg school children, and those who need to travel to work.

No vaccine has yet been tested on children, so they're not approved.

[Biffer]

In terms of vaccine prioritisation, once the very old and at risk are done, should they not focus more on those cohorts more likely to be spreaders, even if less at risk.

Eg school children, and those who need to travel to work.

No vaccine has yet been tested on children, so they're not approved.

Thought the Moderna one was tested on 12 and older, might be wrong.

[Saint]

In terms of vaccine prioritisation, once the very old and at risk are done, should they not focus more on those cohorts more likely to be spreaders, even if less at risk.

Eg school children, and those who need to travel to work.

No vaccine has yet been tested on children, so they're not approved.

Thought the Moderna one was tested on 12 and older, might be wrong.

They only started testing on 12+ at the start of December; and we have a limited qty on order, and delivery won't be till Spring at the earliest anyway - and it's not been signed off by MHRA yet for any age groups regardless. Pfizer also started testing in early December. Realistically nothing will be approved for under 18s till next summer

[The Druid]

Looks like we're going to make the 50k after all

Approach to Pen Y Fan Today 28/12/2020.



Still at it. There will be no vaccine for stupidity.

https://twitter.com/CarmsRPU/status/1343894825146470406

[TB63]

So where the fuck do priorities lie.
Morriston Hospital, major covid centre in my area. The first to get the vaccine were the administration staff.. What the flying fuck?
My parents, both in their 90s, no sign yet, nursing homes, no sign yet, my mum now has to have post in test as she's been ill since Xmas day, we're all in 10 day lockdown as are my daughter and my brother as they've both visited, albeit briefly and distanced, yesterday..

[Fangle]

I was in a hospital in Atlanta the other day, and all the nurses have had their first vaccine.

[Saint]

So where the fuck do priorities lie.
Morriston Hospital, major covid centre in my area. The first to get the vaccine were the administration staff.. What the flying fuck?
My parents, both in their 90s, no sign yet, nursing homes, no sign yet, my mum now has to have post in test as she's been ill since Xmas day, we're all in 10 day lockdown as are my daughter and my brother as they've both visited, albeit briefly and distanced, yesterday..

Welsh government say they're largely following the gov.uk guidelines, but don't say where they're differing from them. But I don't think admin should have got it first under either system.

90s should be expecting it inside the next week, care homes maybe not due to the technical challenges, but it's down to the Welsh government to manage inside Wales

[TB63]

Nurses in Morriston Hospital are yet to be given theirs...

[Saint]

I was in a hospital in Atlanta the other day, and all the nurses have had their first vaccine.

Each state is doing it's own thing, yes?

[TB63]

So where the fuck do priorities lie.
Morriston Hospital, major covid centre in my area. The first to get the vaccine were the administration staff.. What the flying fuck?
My parents, both in their 90s, no sign yet, nursing homes, no sign yet, my mum now has to have post in test as she's been ill since Xmas day, we're all in 10 day lockdown as are my daughter and my brother as they've both visited, albeit briefly and distanced, yesterday..

Welsh government say they're largely following the gov.uk guidelines, but don't say where they're differing from them. But I don't think admin should have got it first under either system.

90s should be expecting it inside the next week, care homes maybe not due to the technical challenges, but it's down to the Welsh government to manage inside Wales

Nothing through for my parents yet to notify them.
Info about vaccine given to admin staff came from word of mouth neighbour, who happens to be ICU nurse, in Morriston Hospital, she's fucking tamping about it...

[Fangle]

I was in a hospital in Atlanta the other day, and all the nurses have had their first vaccine.

Each state is doing it's own thing, yes?

Each state have been given supplies to handle as they see fit.

[fishfoodie]

So where the fuck do priorities lie.
Morriston Hospital, major covid centre in my area. The first to get the vaccine were the administration staff.. What the flying fuck?
My parents, both in their 90s, no sign yet, nursing homes, no sign yet, my mum now has to have post in test as she's been ill since Xmas day, we're all in 10 day lockdown as are my daughter and my brother as they've both visited, albeit briefly and distanced, yesterday..

One thing I would be critical about in the various roll out plans is where homes are having to have multiple visits for staff, >90, >80, >70 etc, etc

Why wouldn't they just visit the home once for the first jab & do everyone then, & then again for the 2nd ?

I'm sure the same applies in other settings, where you know you'll be making ten visits, when you know everyone could be done in just two

[Saint]

So where the fuck do priorities lie.
Morriston Hospital, major covid centre in my area. The first to get the vaccine were the administration staff.. What the flying fuck?
My parents, both in their 90s, no sign yet, nursing homes, no sign yet, my mum now has to have post in test as she's been ill since Xmas day, we're all in 10 day lockdown as are my daughter and my brother as they've both visited, albeit briefly and distanced, yesterday..

One thing I would be critical about in the various roll out plans is where homes are having to have multiple visits for staff, >90, >80, >70 etc, etc

Why wouldn't they just visit the home once for the first jab & do everyone then, & then again for the 2nd ?

I'm sure the same applies in other settings, where you know you'll be making ten visits, when you know everyone could be done in just two

You mean care homes? The plan for them is to do everyone in them all in one hit as you've outlined. Even Matt Hancock isn't THAT stupid

[Saint]

So where the fuck do priorities lie.
Morriston Hospital, major covid centre in my area. The first to get the vaccine were the administration staff.. What the flying fuck?
My parents, both in their 90s, no sign yet, nursing homes, no sign yet, my mum now has to have post in test as she's been ill since Xmas day, we're all in 10 day lockdown as are my daughter and my brother as they've both visited, albeit briefly and distanced, yesterday..

Welsh government say they're largely following the gov.uk guidelines, but don't say where they're differing from them. But I don't think admin should have got it first under either system.

90s should be expecting it inside the next week, care homes maybe not due to the technical challenges, but it's down to the Welsh government to manage inside Wales

Nothing through for my parents yet to notify them.
Info about vaccine given to admin staff came from word of mouth neighbour, who happens to be ICU nurse, in Morriston Hospital, she's fucking tamping about it...

Like I say, that's a Welsh government issue. If that's actually what happened then get it public and get the government to own it

[Ted.]

Can't see any way through this bar a proper lockdown.

Good luck getting 40% of the population to follow it properly.

Well it was very well observed when we had a proper lockdown earlier in the year.

I beg to differ. As far as I can tell, you guys have never had a truly hard lockdown. I could be wrong, but IMO until you do, unfortunately I think you will keep yo-yoing. There also needs to be better coordination in Europe in general. has the horse bolted, but in terms of the pandemic (I don't think so) and in the public attitude to halting it?

[TB63]

Saint, I've no grevious about our government, Drippy Drayford has done well for a damp sponge persona, he's made some difficult choices, stood by them, and, as we've seen, some success. The rising rate of infections is down to the fucking numbnuts who think they're immune.
However, the distribution and who gets the vaccine first is being handled by the Welsh nhs, suprisingly, the fucking ones who decide, have decided they get it first!...

[fishfoodie]

So where the fuck do priorities lie.
Morriston Hospital, major covid centre in my area. The first to get the vaccine were the administration staff.. What the flying fuck?
My parents, both in their 90s, no sign yet, nursing homes, no sign yet, my mum now has to have post in test as she's been ill since Xmas day, we're all in 10 day lockdown as are my daughter and my brother as they've both visited, albeit briefly and distanced, yesterday..

One thing I would be critical about in the various roll out plans is where homes are having to have multiple visits for staff, >90, >80, >70 etc, etc

Why wouldn't they just visit the home once for the first jab & do everyone then, & then again for the 2nd ?

I'm sure the same applies in other settings, where you know you'll be making ten visits, when you know everyone could be done in just two

You mean care homes? The plan for them is to do everyone in them all in one hit as you've outlined. Even Matt Hancock isn't THAT stupid

Well then I must apologize to him; I over estimated his stupidity I can only plea past experience as mitigation

I assumed the age strata were slavishly applied.

[salanya]

The government have been very quiet, especially with 40k+ positive cases and 2000+ hospitalisations a day now.
And that's with limited reporting over Christmas, and the impact of the Christmas travel still to come...

Surely with the vaccination programme now started and the NHS starting to buckle, they could work with the public to lockdown in January for one final push, and limit the loss of life? Why do they have to wait for things to get totally out of hand before doing something?

[Saint]

Saint, I've no grevious about our government, Drippy Drayford has done well for a damp sponge persona, he's made some difficult choices, stood by them, and, as we've seen, some success. The rising rate of infections is down to the fucking numbnuts who think they're immune.
However, the distribution and who gets the vaccine first is being handled by the Welsh nhs, suprisingly, the fucking ones who decide, have decided they get it first!...

Welsh NHS report to Welsh government. So if Welsh NHS admin get it first that's been signed off by Drayford

[I like neeps]

Saint, I've no grevious about our government, Drippy Drayford has done well for a damp sponge persona, he's made some difficult choices, stood by them, and, as we've seen, some success. The rising rate of infections is down to the fucking numbnuts who think they're immune.
However, the distribution and who gets the vaccine first is being handled by the Welsh nhs, suprisingly, the fucking ones who decide, have decided they get it first!...

Welsh NHS report to Welsh government. So if Welsh NHS admin get it first that's been signed off by Drayford

The reason some non clinical staff are being vaccinated first is I would guess because the government have data leading them to believe they are the ones spreading it in hospitals. And have told them to vaccinate accordingly.

Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... tals-data/

[Saint]

One thing I would be critical about in the various roll out plans is where homes are having to have multiple visits for staff, >90, >80, >70 etc, etc

Why wouldn't they just visit the home once for the first jab & do everyone then, & then again for the 2nd ?

I'm sure the same applies in other settings, where you know you'll be making ten visits, when you know everyone could be done in just two

You mean care homes? The plan for them is to do everyone in them all in one hit as you've outlined. Even Matt Hancock isn't THAT stupid

Well then I must apologize to him; I over estimated his stupidity I can only plea past experience as mitigation

I assumed the age strata were slavishly applied.

Care homes (both residents and staff) are specifically called out as part of the first phase in the published guidelines. The only thing delaying a bulk rollout to all care homes are the complexities of the transport requirements.

[Saint]

Saint, I've no grevious about our government, Drippy Drayford has done well for a damp sponge persona, he's made some difficult choices, stood by them, and, as we've seen, some success. The rising rate of infections is down to the fucking numbnuts who think they're immune.
However, the distribution and who gets the vaccine first is being handled by the Welsh nhs, suprisingly, the fucking ones who decide, have decided they get it first!...

Welsh NHS report to Welsh government. So if Welsh NHS admin get it first that's been signed off by Drayford

The reason some non clinical staff are being vaccinated first is I would guess because the government have data leading them to believe they are the ones spreading it in hospitals. And have told them to vaccinate accordingly.

Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... tals-data/

I don't think TB was referring to porters and cleaners when he mentioned NHS admin.

[Insane_Homer]

[Slick]

The government have been very quiet, especially with 40k+ positive cases and 2000+ hospitalisations a day now.
And that's with limited reporting over Christmas, and the impact of the Christmas travel still to come...

Surely with the vaccination programme now started and the NHS starting to buckle, they could work with the public to lockdown in January for one final push, and limit the loss of life? Why do they have to wait for things to get totally out of hand before doing something?

Apparently the government are expecting all over 55’s to be vaccinated by the end of March

[Saint]

The government have been very quiet, especially with 40k+ positive cases and 2000+ hospitalisations a day now.
And that's with limited reporting over Christmas, and the impact of the Christmas travel still to come...

Surely with the vaccination programme now started and the NHS starting to buckle, they could work with the public to lockdown in January for one final push, and limit the loss of life? Why do they have to wait for things to get totally out of hand before doing something?

Apparently the government are expecting all over 55’s to be vaccinated by the end of March

That's the plan/hope. Of course, Gove has been mouthing off today about releasing Tier 4 by the end of January thanks to vaccinations. By now you would have thought that they would have learnt about under promise and over deliver, but apparently not

[Slick]

The government have been very quiet, especially with 40k+ positive cases and 2000+ hospitalisations a day now.
And that's with limited reporting over Christmas, and the impact of the Christmas travel still to come...

Surely with the vaccination programme now started and the NHS starting to buckle, they could work with the public to lockdown in January for one final push, and limit the loss of life? Why do they have to wait for things to get totally out of hand before doing something?

Apparently the government are expecting all over 55’s to be vaccinated by the end of March

That's the plan/hope. Of course, Gove has been mouthing off today about releasing Tier 4 by the end of January thanks to vaccinations. By now you would have thought that they would have learnt about under promise and over deliver, but apparently not

Yes. Interesting discussion with an old friend tonight. They are also convinced they now have the best testing regime in the world. I’ve no idea if that’s the case

[Saint]

Apparently the government are expecting all over 55’s to be vaccinated by the end of March

That's the plan/hope. Of course, Gove has been mouthing off today about releasing Tier 4 by the end of January thanks to vaccinations. By now you would have thought that they would have learnt about under promise and over deliver, but apparently not

Yes. Interesting discussion with an old friend tonight. They are also convinced they now have the best testing regime in the world. I’ve no idea if that’s the case

I know that NHSD/NHSX reckon that the UK test and trace app is an order of magnitude ahead of anything else in the world, but again, no idea as to whether that's actually tge case

[salanya]

The government have been very quiet, especially with 40k+ positive cases and 2000+ hospitalisations a day now.
And that's with limited reporting over Christmas, and the impact of the Christmas travel still to come...

Surely with the vaccination programme now started and the NHS starting to buckle, they could work with the public to lockdown in January for one final push, and limit the loss of life? Why do they have to wait for things to get totally out of hand before doing something?

Apparently the government are expecting all over 55’s to be vaccinated by the end of March

If they're confident that they can do this, then surely there's an even stronger case to lockdown in January, as they can be pretty confident it'll be the last one?

[Sandstorm]

That's the plan/hope. Of course, Gove has been mouthing off today about releasing Tier 4 by the end of January thanks to vaccinations. By now you would have thought that they would have learnt about under promise and over deliver, but apparently not

Yes. Interesting discussion with an old friend tonight. They are also convinced they now have the best testing regime in the world. I’ve no idea if that’s the case

I know that NHSD/NHSX reckon that the UK test and trace app is an order of magnitude ahead of anything else in the world, but again, no idea as to whether that's actually tge case

The App could cure cancer and fly to the moon as well......means nothing because so many people ignore the advice to isolate.

[fishfoodie]

Yes. Interesting discussion with an old friend tonight. They are also convinced they now have the best testing regime in the world. I’ve no idea if that’s the case

I know that NHSD/NHSX reckon that the UK test and trace app is an order of magnitude ahead of anything else in the world, but again, no idea as to whether that's actually tge case

The App could cure cancer and fly to the moon as well......means nothing because so many people ignore the advice to isolate.

That's typically what happens when you fail to tie payments to performance on public service contracts.

I wonder why it isn't a standard condition on any PSC ?????

[mat the expat]

I know that NHSD/NHSX reckon that the UK test and trace app is an order of magnitude ahead of anything else in the world, but again, no idea as to whether that's actually tge case

Why though? It's not lke it's going to be markedly different to any other developed app

[fishfoodie]

I know that NHSD/NHSX reckon that the UK test and trace app is an order of magnitude ahead of anything else in the world, but again, no idea as to whether that's actually tge case

Why though? It's not lke it's going to be markedly different to any other developed app

Sure, it's using the same vendor SDKs, & was developed long after other Countries ... but it's British !!!! ..... of course it's, "an order of magnitude", better ....... why would you need any more confirmation than some comment on a random web site ?

[mat the expat]

I know that NHSD/NHSX reckon that the UK test and trace app is an order of magnitude ahead of anything else in the world, but again, no idea as to whether that's actually tge case

Why though? It's not lke it's going to be markedly different to any other developed app

Sure, it's using the same vendor SDKs, & was developed long after other Countries ... but it's British !!!! ..... of course it's, "an order of magnitude", better ....... why would you need any more confirmation than some comment on a random web site ?

[Saint]

I know that NHSD/NHSX reckon that the UK test and trace app is an order of magnitude ahead of anything else in the world, but again, no idea as to whether that's actually tge case

Why though? It's not lke it's going to be markedly different to any other developed app

Sure, it's using the same vendor SDKs, & was developed long after other Countries ... but it's British !!!! ..... of course it's, "an order of magnitude", better ....... why would you need any more confirmation than some comment on a random web site ?

They claim to have massively developed tge algorithms governing Bluetooth detection and alert triggers so that it's far more accurate than any other version. I have no idea how true it us, but I know that's their belief

[TheNatalShark]

Why though? It's not lke it's going to be markedly different to any other developed app

Sure, it's using the same vendor SDKs, & was developed long after other Countries ... but it's British !!!! ..... of course it's, "an order of magnitude", better ....... why would you need any more confirmation than some comment on a random web site ?

They claim to have massively developed tge algorithms governing Bluetooth detection and alert triggers so that it's far more accurate than any other version. I have no idea how true it us, but I know that's their belief

Anecdotally in October I sat at a pub from 1800 - 2200 right next to someone whom had a positive test result the next day, having swabbed the day prior.

The app notification told me I didn't need to isolate. Seems a clear as day event that should have said otherwise.

Incidentally an actual test I took 3 days later as part of the Ipso Mori prevalence survey, returned negative (but probs too early to show). I isolated for 14 days anyway.

[Slick]

Also, I think people were more diligent in the first lockdown. By now people are flouting the rules.

So it’s not a reflection on the current state of rules.

There’s a valid point here. Certainly people were more personally worried I think

Just personally, but back then I wasn’t that worried about getting it but wanted to do the right thing. This time I’m really not keen on getting it having seen a lot of damage it has caused close to home.

I suppose it’s a bit of human nature that if you don’t experience it, it’s difficult to get your head round it. Of course some people are just cunts as well

[frodder]

Also, I think people were more diligent in the first lockdown. By now people are flouting the rules.

So it’s not a reflection on the current state of rules.

There’s a valid point here. Certainly people were more personally worried I think

Just personally, but back then I wasn’t that worried about getting it but wanted to do the right thing. This time I’m really not keen on getting it having seen a lot of damage it has caused close to home.

I suppose it’s a bit of human nature that if you don’t experience it, it’s difficult to get your head round it. Of course some people are just cunts as well

I only know of 2 people who have had it and were laid up for a couple of days.

I see the next lockdown as taking it for the team I.e. a few more months of this whilst the vaccine is banged out 24 x 7.

[TB63]

There’s a valid point here. Certainly people were more personally worried I think

Just personally, but back then I wasn’t that worried about getting it but wanted to do the right thing. This time I’m really not keen on getting it having seen a lot of damage it has caused close to home.

I suppose it’s a bit of human nature that if you don’t experience it, it’s difficult to get your head round it. Of course some people are just cunts as well

I only know of 2 people who have had it and were laid up for a couple of days.

I see the next lockdown as taking it for the team I.e. a few more months of this whilst the vaccine is banged out 24 x 7.

2 family members have had it, both seriously ill for a week and still not right several weeks later, run out of breath easily etc. Both were very healthy beforehand. Neighbours had it, father still runs out of breath walking down the garden, still coughing, his son was in ICU with it and thankfully pulled through but now has a heart problem.

[Openside]

Saint, I've no grevious about our government, Drippy Drayford has done well for a damp sponge persona, he's made some difficult choices, stood by them, and, as we've seen, some success. The rising rate of infections is down to the fucking numbnuts who think they're immune.
However, the distribution and who gets the vaccine first is being handled by the Welsh nhs, suprisingly, the fucking ones who decide, have decided they get it first!...

Welsh NHS report to Welsh government. So if Welsh NHS admin get it first that's been signed off by Drayford

The reason some non clinical staff are being vaccinated first is I would guess because the government have data leading them to believe they are the ones spreading it in hospitals. And have told them to vaccinate accordingly.

Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... tals-data/

Also maybe they don’t have PPE for protection, AND they work normal office hours so are there every day rather than shifts where it will take a week to capture all the medical staff? it does seem bonkers that the whole hospital staff can’t be vaccinated together though.