So, coronavirus...

[Saint]

One advantage to being arrived to a nurse is that she gets tested twice a week - so we have a fair degree of certainty as to whether either of us has it

[Saint]

Az submitted final data to the regulator so unless theres a problem I imagine it will approved within the week.

Over 50k new cases today...I suspect a national lockdown beyond current tier 4 redtrictions is on the way

There's an added issue with AZ as MHRA don't just have to approve the vaccine for use, they have to determine e what dosing. It's far more complex sign off

[Sandstorm]

In personnel news myself, my wife, my mum and kids all confirmed positive today. The inlaws had a test today but the MiL is probaly a positive.

None of us have chronic symptoms fortunately. I had what I would normally think was a mild winter cold. The wife lost smell and taste and had an upset stomach.

Kids just have runny noses.

Two bubbles mixing over Christmas?

[tc27]

Az submitted final data to the regulator so unless theres a problem I imagine it will approved within the week.

Over 50k new cases today...I suspect a national lockdown beyond current tier 4 redtrictions is on the way

There's an added issue with AZ as MHRA don't just have to approve the vaccine for use, they have to determine e what dosing. It's far more complex sign off

Yeah not a big issue if it takes a bit longer as From I understand the Pz vaccine supply still outstrips vaccination capacity at the moment. Also bizzarely enough theres a problem in sourcing enough glass vials.

[tc27]

In personnel news myself, my wife, my mum and kids all confirmed positive today. The inlaws had a test today but the MiL is probaly a positive.

None of us have chronic symptoms fortunately. I had what I would normally think was a mild winter cold. The wife lost smell and taste and had an upset stomach.

Kids just have runny noses.

Two bubbles mixing over Christmas?

My wifes symptoms happened before christmas so we cancelled our plans.

My mum lives in our annex and whilst we have being careful the 2 year olds and social distancing dont mix.

Not sure where the inlaws lgotnit but its rampant here in the SE.

[Sandstorm]

In personnel news myself, my wife, my mum and kids all confirmed positive today. The inlaws had a test today but the MiL is probaly a positive.

None of us have chronic symptoms fortunately. I had what I would normally think was a mild winter cold. The wife lost smell and taste and had an upset stomach.

Kids just have runny noses.

Two bubbles mixing over Christmas?

My wifes symptoms happened before christmas so we cancelled our plans.

My mum lives in our annex and whilst we have being careful the 2 year olds and social distancing dont mix.

Not sure where the inlaws lgotnit but its rampant here in the SE.

Cool. Hope everyone is over it pronto.

[Slick]

In personnel news myself, my wife, my mum and kids all confirmed positive today. The inlaws had a test today but the MiL is probaly a positive.

None of us have chronic symptoms fortunately. I had what I would normally think was a mild winter cold. The wife lost smell and taste and had an upset stomach.

Kids just have runny noses.

Two bubbles mixing over Christmas?

My wifes symptoms happened before christmas so we cancelled our plans.

My mum lives in our annex and whilst we have being careful the 2 year olds and social distancing dont mix.

Not sure where the inlaws lgotnit but its rampant here in the SE.

Hope it all goes well mate.

I’m as disappointed as Sandstorm that we don’t get to shout at you though

[Biffer]

Might be worth noting the the UK passed a milestone last week where 1 in 1000 of the population have died of Covid.

[PlanetGlyndwr]

what does that even mean??

Uncultered Boomer Detected

uncultered?? yes, clearly

yawn...sit down tory the union is coming to an end

[Niegs]

And I wonder how our cases just keep going up and up ... oh, it's not just because people flout the guidelines and rules, some of our politicians do it too and brag about it on social media (day after the lockdown goes into effect, no joining with other households).



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[Margin__Walker]

Oxford vaccine approved

[frodder]

Oxford vaccine approved

Get in! Let's roll this out like we've never seen before

[SaintK]

Oxford vaccine approved

Get in! Let's roll this out like we've never seen before

Yep. Hopefully the government arseholes won't over promise and under deliver as with test, track and trace

[Sandstorm]

Oxford vaccine approved

Get in! Let's roll this out like we've never seen before

I’m only 20 miles from there. Can I just go pick it up?

No, wait. Tier 4. Never mind.

[Saint]

Oxford vaccine approved

Get in! Let's roll this out like we've never seen before

I’m only 20 miles from there. Can I just go pick it up?

No, wait. Tier 4. Never mind.

Initial production is from Germany and Holland

[Sandstorm]

Get in! Let's roll this out like we've never seen before

I’m only 20 miles from there. Can I just go pick it up?

No, wait. Tier 4. Never mind.

Initial production is from Germany and Holland

Price goes up in 5 days

[Saint]

I’m only 20 miles from there. Can I just go pick it up?

No, wait. Tier 4. Never mind.

Initial production is from Germany and Holland

Price goes up in 5 days

[tc27]

Makes sense:

[Saint]

Makes sense:

Apparently some data (so far unpublished) shows a better efficacy with a larger gap between the first and second dose as well

[Saint]

Emergency education statement to be made after the covid tiers statement this afternoon. Schools to delay reopening in 3......2......1........

[robmatic]

Oxford vaccine approved

Get in! Let's roll this out like we've never seen before

Yep. Hopefully the government arseholes won't over promise and under deliver as with test, track and trace

To be fair, the UK has been relatively on the ball with the vaccines so far. They arranged the procurement early and from multiple sources and they seem to have worked out the best approach for prioritisation.

[tc27]

Emergency education statement to be made after the covid tiers statement this afternoon. Schools to delay reopening in 3......2......1........

Jan and Feb are shit in normal times - lockdown in winter with the kids needing entertaining is not gonna be easy.

[Slick]

Get in! Let's roll this out like we've never seen before

Yep. Hopefully the government arseholes won't over promise and under deliver as with test, track and trace

To be fair, the UK has been relatively on the ball with the vaccines so far. They arranged the procurement early and from multiple sources and they seem to have worked out the best approach for prioritisation.

Yes, I think that's a fair comment. Despite all the ups and downs I think time will show that they haven't done as bad a job as lots of folk would like to think.

[sockwithaticket]

Just before the office closed for Christmas my employers (a UK exam board) were insisting that aside from their being pushed back a few weeks, exams would take place as normal this year. I simply don't see how that can happen if we start taking kids out of school for protracted periods again.

For an alarming number of pupils their home situation is not comparable to a school as a learning environment and they will lose out. It'd be a different set of complications to this year's grading cock up, but it would definitely carry on the theme of penalising those most socio-economically disadvantaged. I would've thought everyone concerned would be bending over backwards to avoid those headlines again, even if they don't actually care about the kids getting a decent education and set of grades to carry forward with them.

[tc27]

Yep. Hopefully the government arseholes won't over promise and under deliver as with test, track and trace

To be fair, the UK has been relatively on the ball with the vaccines so far. They arranged the procurement early and from multiple sources and they seem to have worked out the best approach for prioritisation.

Yes, I think that's a fair comment. Despite all the ups and downs I think time will show that they haven't done as bad a job as lots of folk would like to think.

To me - the failure to close borders in late Feb/early March and the delayed first lockdown were catastrophic mistakes - we can look at other Island nations such as Aus and NZ returning to some form of normality now and reflect on this.

That doesn't mean the parts of the government and state that are getting the vaccine deployed don't deserve praise.

[Raggs]

I think you might have a lawsuit on your hands if a patient dies after being told they "don''t need to come in for the 2nd dose....."

Surely you could equally argue that if you were next in line, and could have had a 70% effective dose?

Basically, I'm looking at the numbers. 0.7 x 24 million (assuming 6 doses not 5) = 16.8m, so that's roughly 25% of the population vaccinated effectively. Or we could push that upto 50%. 50% is going to have a serious effect on how fast the virus can spread. Especially when combined with a few other millions from the other vaccines.

Firstly, are you really thinking you’ve come up with something nobody else has thought of? Do you really think that no one else is smart enough to have thought of this so it hasn’t been considered?

Secondly, it wouldn’t work. To prevent epidemics of a disease with R=3, you need 67% of the population to be immune. If you’re only providing 70% immunity, you’d need to get that into nearly 100% of the population to prevent epidemic spread. So the better public health response is to give the higher level of protection to the vulnerable. It’s not hard to figure it out if you think a little bit and don’t assume you’re some kind of secret fucking genius.

I'm just gonna leave this here....

Makes sense:

Secret fucking genius status confirmed baby!

[Slick]

[Margin__Walker]

Raggs and Tony Blair were onto something.

[tc27]

It should be noted its still going to be a two dose vaccine - you just get the first one ASAP.

[Raggs]

It should be noted its still going to be a two dose vaccine - you just get the first one ASAP.

Of course, I was never suggesting that the 2nd dose isn't given, just that the numbers seem to make more sense to give twice as many people a less effective protection, than half the number a slightly greater one, whilst supplies are low.

[I like neeps]

To be fair, the UK has been relatively on the ball with the vaccines so far. They arranged the procurement early and from multiple sources and they seem to have worked out the best approach for prioritisation.

Yes, I think that's a fair comment. Despite all the ups and downs I think time will show that they haven't done as bad a job as lots of folk would like to think.

To me - the failure to close borders in late Feb/early March and the delayed first lockdown were catastrophic mistakes - we can look at other Island nations such as Aus and NZ returning to some form of normality now and reflect on this.

That doesn't mean the parts of the government and state that are getting the vaccine deployed don't deserve praise.

Agree. The UK has done very well with vaccination ordering and we shall see with how it's mobilised.

But the death figures are high in any international comparison and so until now ultimately other states did a far better job of protecting their citizens. Social factors yes will come into play but that doesn't absolve the UK if we have higher rates of social factors that have been exacerbated it's not good!

[Biffer]

It should be noted its still going to be a two dose vaccine - you just get the first one ASAP.

Of course, I was never suggesting that the 2nd dose isn't given, just that the numbers seem to make more sense to give twice as many people a less effective protection, than half the number a slightly greater one, whilst supplies are low.

That’s exactly what you were suggesting.

[Raggs]

It should be noted its still going to be a two dose vaccine - you just get the first one ASAP.

Of course, I was never suggesting that the 2nd dose isn't given, just that the numbers seem to make more sense to give twice as many people a less effective protection, than half the number a slightly greater one, whilst supplies are low.

That’s exactly what you were suggesting.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, clearly in awe of my secret fucking genius. It's normal for the peasants to tremble.

[Biffer]

Of course, I was never suggesting that the 2nd dose isn't given, just that the numbers seem to make more sense to give twice as many people a less effective protection, than half the number a slightly greater one, whilst supplies are low.

That’s exactly what you were suggesting.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, clearly in awe of my secret fucking genius. It's normal for the peasants to tremble.

Wanna get your genius to run through how you get up to 50% of the population, like you suggested, of the Pfizer vaccine, which you were talking about, and still give people a second dose?

[Raggs]

That’s exactly what you were suggesting.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, clearly in awe of my secret fucking genius. It's normal for the peasants to tremble.

Wanna get your genius to run through how you get up to 50% of the population, like you suggested, of the Pfizer vaccine, which you were talking about, and still give people a second dose?

By waiting for future deliveries, exactly what they'll be doing with the Oxford vaccine. Maybe they won't do it with the pfizer one, but the logic is exactly the same regardless of the vaccine used. Better to give some protection to more people, than slightly better protection to half that number. You can freely admit that it wasn't stupid, and that clearly other people obviously were thinking exactly the same thing. I never claimed to be a genius of any sort, just that the numbers made sense. Feel free not to accept that, but I won't be engaging you on the subject again.

[Biffer]

Ah, the old ‘won’t engage again’ way of pretending to yourself you were right, I see.

You were proposing single dose, you never said anything about a second dose.

[eldanielfire]

Agree. The UK has done very well with vaccination ordering and we shall see with how it's mobilised.

But the death figures are high in any international comparison and so until now ultimately other states did a far better job of protecting their citizens. Social factors yes will come into play but that doesn't absolve the UK if we have higher rates of social factors that have been exacerbated it's not good!

The issue with the UK government is that it is slow, slow slow to decide to take action. The same actions for the same lengths of time taken much sooner would have been much, much more effective.

[JM2K6]

Ah, the old ‘won’t engage again’ way of pretending to yourself you were right, I see.

You were proposing single dose, you never said anything about a second dose.

As a temporarily neutral referee, allow me to suggest that what he wrote can be read either way. It's inconclusive. And Raggs isn't the kind of dickhead who makes shit up all the time, so benefit of the doubt to the defence in this case.

[Sandstorm]

Ah, the old ‘won’t engage again’ way of pretending to yourself you were right, I see.

You were proposing single dose, you never said anything about a second dose.

As a temporarily neutral referee, allow me to suggest that what he wrote can be read either way. It's inconclusive. And Raggs isn't the kind of dickhead who makes shit up all the time, so benefit of the doubt to the defence in this case.

True, but this Bored doesn't just hand out Secret Genius status willy nilly....

[JM2K6]