So, coronavirus...

[Raggs]

Queues for testing in W Berkshire are 5 times longer than they were the week before Xmas.

Positive cases only up slightly, so either people are getting tested because they’re bored, scared or trying to get another 2 weeks off work.

It takes upto 7 days to get a result back, within 48 hours for key staff. So 5x longer queues in the past week will only start to reflect today and onwards really...

[Sandstorm]

Queues for testing in W Berkshire are 5 times longer than they were the week before Xmas.

Positive cases only up slightly, so either people are getting tested because they’re bored, scared or trying to get another 2 weeks off work.

It takes upto 7 days to get a result back, within 48 hours for key staff. So 5x longer queues in the past week will only start to reflect today and onwards really...

Test results here take 24 hours. Sometimes less. Even if you got tested on Xmas eve you got the result on 26th.

[Raggs]

Queues for testing in W Berkshire are 5 times longer than they were the week before Xmas.

Positive cases only up slightly, so either people are getting tested because they’re bored, scared or trying to get another 2 weeks off work.

It takes upto 7 days to get a result back, within 48 hours for key staff. So 5x longer queues in the past week will only start to reflect today and onwards really...

Test results here take 24 hours. Sometimes less. Even if you got tested on Xmas eve you got the result on 26th.

Mum, as a key worker, got tested 5 days ago I believe, and got told upto 7 days, but within 48 for keyworkers where we are. Perhaps somethign to do with those 5x longer queues.

[Slick]

Queues for testing in W Berkshire are 5 times longer than they were the week before Xmas.

Positive cases only up slightly, so either people are getting tested because they’re bored, scared or trying to get another 2 weeks off work.

It takes upto 7 days to get a result back, within 48 hours for key staff. So 5x longer queues in the past week will only start to reflect today and onwards really...

Cunts that have flaunted the rules over Christmas and want a test so they can carry on I imagine

[Hal Jordan]

Next door's daughter has been in and out of their house for weeks, yes, she has a young child but she is married and never actually seems to have the kid when she rocks up for a cuppa at mum and dad's.

[Paddington Bear]

I suspect the first proper post Christmas figures will be disastrous. What’s interesting is people by and large seem to have mentally checked out from it all

[Raggs]

Next door's daughter has been in and out of their house for weeks, yes, she has a young child but she is married and never actually seems to have the kid when she rocks up for a cuppa at mum and dad's.

Maybe she has a supportive husband who's more than happy for her to completely get away from the home and have a break?

Daft to still be going into someone else's home though (depending on tier).

[fishfoodie]

I suspect the first proper post Christmas figures will be disastrous. What’s interesting is people by and large seem to have mentally checked out from it all

Yeah, we're still just going thru the infections that happened with people out & about before Christmas; we haven't gotten into those from the gatherings during Christmas, when people were spending hours together.

[I like neeps]

I suspect the first proper post Christmas figures will be disastrous. What’s interesting is people by and large seem to have mentally checked out from it all

Agree there's a definite change in attitude. The government should bring back a daily press conference even symbolically. I don't think they've been helped by the telegraph and mail relentlessly attacking lockdowns either.

[fishfoodie]

I suspect the first proper post Christmas figures will be disastrous. What’s interesting is people by and large seem to have mentally checked out from it all

Agree there's a definite change in attitude. The government should bring back a daily press conference even symbolically. I don't think they've been helped by the telegraph and mail relentlessly attacking lockdowns either.

and some of the Tories are discovering some spine to at least start calling them on this shit.

[tabascoboy]

^ I assume The Torygraph is where Bimbollox gets his narrative

[Jock42]

I suspect the first proper post Christmas figures will be disastrous. What’s interesting is people by and large seem to have mentally checked out from it all

Agree there's a definite change in attitude. The government should bring back a daily press conference even symbolically. I don't think they've been helped by the telegraph and mail relentlessly attacking lockdowns either.

and some of the Tories are discovering some spine to at least start calling them on this shit.

The thing is, when they do change their stance they get slagged for making a u-turn.

[Glaston]

The checklist to become an NHS vaccinator

Recognising and managing anaphylaxis
Resuscitation, level 2
Safeguarding adults, level 2
Safeguarding children, level 2
Vaccine administration
Vaccine storage
Health, Safety and Welfare, level 1
Infection Prevention and control, level 2
Introduction to Anaphylaxis
Legal aspects of vaccination
Moving and Handling, level 1
Preventing radicalisation, level 1
Conflict resolution, level 1
Core knowledge for Covid-19 vaccinators
Covid mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 (Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine)
Data security awareness, level 1
Equality, Diversity and Human rights, level 1
Fire safety, level 1


FFS

[Jock42]

The checklist to become an NHS vaccinator

Recognising and managing anaphylaxis
Resuscitation, level 2
Safeguarding adults, level 2
Safeguarding children, level 2
Vaccine administration
Vaccine storage
Health, Safety and Welfare, level 1
Infection Prevention and control, level 2
Introduction to Anaphylaxis
Legal aspects of vaccination
Moving and Handling, level 1
Preventing radicalisation, level 1
Conflict resolution, level 1
Core knowledge for Covid-19 vaccinators
Covid mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 (Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine)
Data security awareness, level 1
Equality, Diversity and Human rights, level 1
Fire safety, level 1


FFS

I imagine anyone coming into contact with a patient has that as a baseline in their training anyway. I've done those, not sure it was checked mind.

Equality and diversity is probably quite relevant tbf. Someone who is wanting to be pregnant in the next 3 months, is pregnant or is breastfeeding are contraindicated from the vaccine. It shouldn't cause offence asking people those questions but it will in some cases.

[fishfoodie]

The checklist to become an NHS vaccinator

Recognising and managing anaphylaxis
Resuscitation, level 2
Safeguarding adults, level 2
Safeguarding children, level 2
Vaccine administration
Vaccine storage
Health, Safety and Welfare, level 1
Infection Prevention and control, level 2
Introduction to Anaphylaxis
Legal aspects of vaccination
Moving and Handling, level 1
Preventing radicalisation, level 1
Conflict resolution, level 1
Core knowledge for Covid-19 vaccinators
Covid mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 (Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine)
Data security awareness, level 1
Equality, Diversity and Human rights, level 1
Fire safety, level 1


FFS

I imagine anyone coming into contact with a patient has that as a baseline in their training anyway. I've done those, not sure it was checked mind.

Equality and diversity is probably quite relevant tbf. Someone who is wanting to be pregnant in the next 3 months, is pregnant or is breastfeeding are contraindicated from the vaccine. It shouldn't cause offence asking people those questions but it will in some cases.

The radicalisation awareness might come in handy when dealing with the anti-vaxxer bs too

[Sandstorm]

“Hey Fatty! Wanna come back in 3 months for your vaccine?”

*Fatty detonates rucksack*

[Jock42]

The checklist to become an NHS vaccinator

Recognising and managing anaphylaxis
Resuscitation, level 2
Safeguarding adults, level 2
Safeguarding children, level 2
Vaccine administration
Vaccine storage
Health, Safety and Welfare, level 1
Infection Prevention and control, level 2
Introduction to Anaphylaxis
Legal aspects of vaccination
Moving and Handling, level 1
Preventing radicalisation, level 1
Conflict resolution, level 1
Core knowledge for Covid-19 vaccinators
Covid mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 (Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine)
Data security awareness, level 1
Equality, Diversity and Human rights, level 1
Fire safety, level 1


FFS

I imagine anyone coming into contact with a patient has that as a baseline in their training anyway. I've done those, not sure it was checked mind.

Equality and diversity is probably quite relevant tbf. Someone who is wanting to be pregnant in the next 3 months, is pregnant or is breastfeeding are contraindicated from the vaccine. It shouldn't cause offence asking people those questions but it will in some cases.

The radicalisation awareness might come in handy when dealing with the anti-vaxxer bs too

I was actually just looking at it in an nhs (ie vaccinating colleagues) context and not thinking about the public in general. If they're doing community work its a standard bit of training.

[Hal Jordan]

I am currently fighting the lockdown blues by watching Ben and Holly's Little Kingdom. On my own. Whilst drinking beer.

[Raggs]

That all seems to be fairly common courses for people working with the public in many settings. And of course, some of these courses will be given to them before they start doing it. I mean, they aren't going to already be knowledgeable of the vaccine ones for the most part.

[Sandstorm]

That all seems to be fairly common courses for people working with the public in many settings. And of course, some of these courses will be given to them before they start doing it. I mean, they aren't going to already be knowledgeable of the vaccine ones for the most part.

Covid is just 1 vaccine they give. There are dozens including flu they already know how to administer.

[Raggs]

That all seems to be fairly common courses for people working with the public in many settings. And of course, some of these courses will be given to them before they start doing it. I mean, they aren't going to already be knowledgeable of the vaccine ones for the most part.

Covid is just 1 vaccine they give. There are dozens including flu they already know how to administer.

Yeah, but these aren't just regular vaccine giving folk, this is volunteers, i.e. people who've never given vaccines before. I know a flight attendant who's been signed up, and I also know an ex naval petty officer who was in charge of ships medicine, and then trained people, who struggled a little to sign up (probably because a lot of his stuff was military rather than civvy).

[Jock42]

That all seems to be fairly common courses for people working with the public in many settings. And of course, some of these courses will be given to them before they start doing it. I mean, they aren't going to already be knowledgeable of the vaccine ones for the most part.

Covid is just 1 vaccine they give. There are dozens including flu they already know how to administer.

It's not about the administration it's about the drug itself.

[Jb1981]

I am currently fighting the lockdown blues by watching Ben and Holly's Little Kingdom. On my own. Whilst drinking beer.

Where did the adventure start today?

[Jock42]

That all seems to be fairly common courses for people working with the public in many settings. And of course, some of these courses will be given to them before they start doing it. I mean, they aren't going to already be knowledgeable of the vaccine ones for the most part.

Covid is just 1 vaccine they give. There are dozens including flu they already know how to administer.

Yeah, but these aren't just regular vaccine giving folk, this is volunteers, i.e. people who've never given vaccines before. I know a flight attendant who's been signed up, and I also know an ex naval petty officer who was in charge of ships medicine, and then trained people, who struggled a little to sign up (probably because a lot of his stuff was military rather than civvy).

Its not even just that. I can give several different drugs IM/SC/IV/IO but I have to have a bit of knowledge about the drug itself before I can give it. A lot of people, not you, think you can just start smashing drugs into people because its an easy jab in the arm/leg

[Sandstorm]

That all seems to be fairly common courses for people working with the public in many settings. And of course, some of these courses will be given to them before they start doing it. I mean, they aren't going to already be knowledgeable of the vaccine ones for the most part.

Covid is just 1 vaccine they give. There are dozens including flu they already know how to administer.

It's not about the administration it's about the drug itself.

Sounds like something Trump would tweet.

[Saint]

That all seems to be fairly common courses for people working with the public in many settings. And of course, some of these courses will be given to them before they start doing it. I mean, they aren't going to already be knowledgeable of the vaccine ones for the most part.

Covid is just 1 vaccine they give. There are dozens including flu they already know how to administer.

Mrs Saint reckons the Covid modules will be short - likely 30 mins to an hour for each. The rest of it is basically covered in the training and refresher courses required to qualify and maintain your status as a Band 5 (registered nurse).

She reckons from a standing start for someone off the street to complete that lot it's 6 months. For the Healthcare assistants (Bands 3&4) there's probably 3-4 weeks, but a lot of the training and signoff has to be done 1-1 and it takes a Band 6 (prescribing Nurse) or higher to do that. Not many of them around.

[Sandstorm]

Can’t they just post it out (2nd class) to people direct and then I can just jab myself?

*Matt Hancock takes notes*

[Raggs]

That all seems to be fairly common courses for people working with the public in many settings. And of course, some of these courses will be given to them before they start doing it. I mean, they aren't going to already be knowledgeable of the vaccine ones for the most part.

Covid is just 1 vaccine they give. There are dozens including flu they already know how to administer.

Mrs Saint reckons the Covid modules will be short - likely 30 mins to an hour for each. The rest of it is basically covered in the training and refresher courses required to qualify and maintain your status as a Band 5 (registered nurse).

She reckons from a standing start for someone off the street to complete that lot it's 6 months. For the Healthcare assistants (Bands 3&4) there's probably 3-4 weeks, but a lot of the training and signoff has to be done 1-1 and it takes a Band 6 (prescribing Nurse) or higher to do that. Not many of them around.

Yep. Flight attendants probably tick most of the courses already, including some degree of administering injections etc I believe. I know they're trying to get people who hopefully won't take much training to get upto speed. Would imagine a lot of care workers, especially more senior ones, probably tick a lot of boxes too.

[Saint]

Covid is just 1 vaccine they give. There are dozens including flu they already know how to administer.

Mrs Saint reckons the Covid modules will be short - likely 30 mins to an hour for each. The rest of it is basically covered in the training and refresher courses required to qualify and maintain your status as a Band 5 (registered nurse).

She reckons from a standing start for someone off the street to complete that lot it's 6 months. For the Healthcare assistants (Bands 3&4) there's probably 3-4 weeks, but a lot of the training and signoff has to be done 1-1 and it takes a Band 6 (prescribing Nurse) or higher to do that. Not many of them around.

Yep. Flight attendants probably tick most of the courses already, including some degree of administering injections etc I believe. I know they're trying to get people who hopefully won't take much training to get upto speed. Would imagine a lot of care workers, especially more senior ones, probably tick a lot of boxes too.

Even then you're going to struggle to get round the 1-1 signoffs. The Band 4s are likely the closest to being qualified for this but even they probably can't be signed off in less than 3 weeks. Note that a GP cannot sign someone off for this. So there's a very real limit as to how fast you can sign people off.

[fishfoodie]

Why does this all feel like something that should have been done over the summer ?

[Saint]

Why does this all feel like something that should have been done over the summer ?

A large part of the sign off includes observing people actually delivering a vaccine. Effectively it's working with live subjects, first by showing and explaining to trainees what you're doing, then getting them to do it themselves explaining to the trainer what they're doing. Usually takes a couple of weeks per trainee.

Exactly how many vaccinations do you think were being administered over the summer? You can't start training for this until you have a bulk of people to vaccinate and a supply of vaccine

[Jock42]

Why does this all feel like something that should have been done over the summer ?

A large part of the sign off includes observing people actually delivering a vaccine. Effectively it's working with live subjects, first by showing and explaining to trainees what you're doing, then getting them to do it themselves explaining to the trainer what they're doing. Usually takes a couple of weeks per trainee.

Exactly how many vaccinations do you think were being administered over the summer? You can't start training for this until you have a bulk of people to vaccinate and a supply of vaccine

In fairness you could have trained people to deliver the IM injection, anaphylaxis training etc then delivered an update on the drug itself prior to the roll out of the vaccine.

[Saint]

Why does this all feel like something that should have been done over the summer ?

A large part of the sign off includes observing people actually delivering a vaccine. Effectively it's working with live subjects, first by showing and explaining to trainees what you're doing, then getting them to do it themselves explaining to the trainer what they're doing. Usually takes a couple of weeks per trainee.

Exactly how many vaccinations do you think were being administered over the summer? You can't start training for this until you have a bulk of people to vaccinate and a supply of vaccine

In fairness you could have trained people to deliver the IM injection, anaphylaxis training etc then delivered an update on the drug itself prior to the roll out of the vaccine.

There isn't even much of that happening. Like I said, you need a Band 6 or higher to sign off on this on a 1-1 basis. Most of them were still swamped and/or trying to handle the regular training/updates for Band 5s over summer

The real issue is a lack of people authorised to sign off on the training and the programme required to be signed off. It's effectively impossible to scale up in a short space of time - unless you decide to come up with an entirely new qualification exclusively for this event. Given the antivax problem as it already exists, I'm not sure that's a good idea

[Jock42]

A large part of the sign off includes observing people actually delivering a vaccine. Effectively it's working with live subjects, first by showing and explaining to trainees what you're doing, then getting them to do it themselves explaining to the trainer what they're doing. Usually takes a couple of weeks per trainee.

Exactly how many vaccinations do you think were being administered over the summer? You can't start training for this until you have a bulk of people to vaccinate and a supply of vaccine

In fairness you could have trained people to deliver the IM injection, anaphylaxis training etc then delivered an update on the drug itself prior to the roll out of the vaccine.

There isn't even much of that happening. Like I said, you need a Band 6 or higher to sign off on this on a 1-1 basis. Most of them were still swamped and/or trying to handle the regular training/updates for Band 5s over summer

The real issue is a lack of people authorised to sign off on the training and the programme required to be signed off. It's effectively impossible to scale up in a short space of time - unless you decide to come up with an entirely new qualification exclusively for this event. Given the antivax problem as it already exists, I'm not sure that's a good idea

I think that's an argument for starting the training months ago tbh. Band 6's in hospital might be swamped but we're not. If somebody asks me to deliver training I'd be happy to.

[C69]

A large part of the sign off includes observing people actually delivering a vaccine. Effectively it's working with live subjects, first by showing and explaining to trainees what you're doing, then getting them to do it themselves explaining to the trainer what they're doing. Usually takes a couple of weeks per trainee.

Exactly how many vaccinations do you think were being administered over the summer? You can't start training for this until you have a bulk of people to vaccinate and a supply of vaccine

In fairness you could have trained people to deliver the IM injection, anaphylaxis training etc then delivered an update on the drug itself prior to the roll out of the vaccine.

There isn't even much of that happening. Like I said, you need a Band 6 or higher to sign off on this on a 1-1 basis. Most of them were still swamped and/or trying to handle the regular training/updates for Band 5s over summer

The real issue is a lack of people authorised to sign off on the training and the programme required to be signed off. It's effectively impossible to scale up in a short space of time - unless you decide to come up with an entirely new qualification exclusively for this event. Given the antivax problem as it already exists, I'm not sure that's a good idea

I can honestly say that for the first time in nearly 30 years I fecking hate working in the NHS.
We had our second spike well over 6 weeks ago,and tbh it has been relentless since may with the amount of futility and deaths seen on a nearly daily basis. It'snot the deaths per sey but the knowing that for some people nothing will work.
It's horrific and I can't see myself doing this for much longer.
And I don't even work in an ICU setting full time. Hats off to the guys that do

[Saint]

In fairness you could have trained people to deliver the IM injection, anaphylaxis training etc then delivered an update on the drug itself prior to the roll out of the vaccine.

There isn't even much of that happening. Like I said, you need a Band 6 or higher to sign off on this on a 1-1 basis. Most of them were still swamped and/or trying to handle the regular training/updates for Band 5s over summer

The real issue is a lack of people authorised to sign off on the training and the programme required to be signed off. It's effectively impossible to scale up in a short space of time - unless you decide to come up with an entirely new qualification exclusively for this event. Given the antivax problem as it already exists, I'm not sure that's a good idea

I think that's an argument for starting the training months ago tbh. Band 6's in hospital might be swamped but we're not. If somebody asks me to deliver training I'd be happy to.

Where do you work? My wife's a community Band 6 and is dying under the workload at the moment. My god-daughter's mother is a hospital Band 6 and is pretty much the same.

The only way I can really see round this will be to take Band 5s with say 10+ years under their belts and give them limited sign off powers. But they haven't done the proper training courses etc so I'm not sure how their insurance will hold up

[Jock42]

There isn't even much of that happening. Like I said, you need a Band 6 or higher to sign off on this on a 1-1 basis. Most of them were still swamped and/or trying to handle the regular training/updates for Band 5s over summer

The real issue is a lack of people authorised to sign off on the training and the programme required to be signed off. It's effectively impossible to scale up in a short space of time - unless you decide to come up with an entirely new qualification exclusively for this event. Given the antivax problem as it already exists, I'm not sure that's a good idea

I think that's an argument for starting the training months ago tbh. Band 6's in hospital might be swamped but we're not. If somebody asks me to deliver training I'd be happy to.

Where do you work? My wife's a community Band 6 and is dying under the workload at the moment. My god-daughter's mother is a hospital Band 6 and is pretty much the same.

The only way I can really see round this will be to take Band 5s with say 10+ years under their belts and give them limited sign off powers. But they haven't done the proper training courses etc so I'm not sure how their insurance will hold up

Paramedic in Tayside.

[C69]

From the BEEB-

The checklist to become an NHS vaccinator
Recognising and managing anaphylaxis

Resuscitation, level 2

Safeguarding adults, level 2

Safeguarding children, level 2

Vaccine administration

Vaccine storage

Health, Safety and Welfare, level 1

Infection Prevention and control, level 2

Introduction to Anaphylaxis

Legal aspects of vaccination

Moving and Handling, level 1

Preventing radicalisation, level 1

Conflict resolution, level 1

Core knowledge for Covid-19 vaccinators

Covid mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 (Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine)

Data security awareness, level 1

Equality, Diversity and Human rights, level 1

Fire safety, level 1

[Saint]

I think that's an argument for starting the training months ago tbh. Band 6's in hospital might be swamped but we're not. If somebody asks me to deliver training I'd be happy to.

Where do you work? My wife's a community Band 6 and is dying under the workload at the moment. My god-daughter's mother is a hospital Band 6 and is pretty much the same.

The only way I can really see round this will be to take Band 5s with say 10+ years under their belts and give them limited sign off powers. But they haven't done the proper training courses etc so I'm not sure how their insurance will hold up

Paramedic in Tayside.

Faur enough. The real issue is still that there's nowhere near enough ofbyiunto make a dent in the numbers needed

[frodder]

From the BEEB-

The checklist to become an NHS vaccinator
Recognising and managing anaphylaxis

Resuscitation, level 2

Safeguarding adults, level 2

Safeguarding children, level 2

Vaccine administration

Vaccine storage

Health, Safety and Welfare, level 1

Infection Prevention and control, level 2

Introduction to Anaphylaxis

Legal aspects of vaccination

Moving and Handling, level 1

Preventing radicalisation, level 1

Conflict resolution, level 1

Core knowledge for Covid-19 vaccinators

Covid mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 (Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine)

Data security awareness, level 1

Equality, Diversity and Human rights, level 1

Fire safety, level 1

Are Dentists qualified? Just a random thought