So, coronavirus...

[Sandstorm]

Shooting in the face a bit extreme however?

No other way the 25% of wankers out there will learn.

BBC News Sun 10 Jan 13:25
"8 friends were shot by police in Notting Hill last night after they were discovered at a dinner party during Tier 4 lockdown. Civil Rights groups and a bunch of anti-vaxers protested, but the Prime Minister told them all to fuck off to Auckland"

[tc27]

Is that not the bit that is under debate - as per the quote I gave above - can Scotland refuse entry to someone travelling from abroad if it is allowed by the UK Gov? Scotland can certainly enforce travel and isolation requirements, etc when they are here but it is not clear if Scotland can stop travel from overseas if it is allowed by UK Gov. The recent SG legislation suggests they can and in effect they have now implemented one in the last few weeks.

Its late but I think reading that we are all in agreement that preventing/quarantining international arrivals could be achieved...in fact I see that the SG has just placed a quarantine requirement on arrivals from Dubia.

Just double checked - SG cannot stop flights arriving, this is up to UK Gov, SG doesn't have authority to do this so in effect cannot ban travel into UK, but the SG can impose local laws re quarantine, etc as said above.

Here is the legislation that lets Scottish Government ministers quarantine and detain international arrivals:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2008/5/section/94

Like the UK government they have chosen not to use these to prevent international arrivals - I don't know why in either case.

Banning international flights is reserved but if you close the airports and detain people and aircrews for 14 days when they arrive you achieve the same goal.

[Jb1981]

Shooting in the face a bit extreme however?

No other way the 25% of wankers out there will learn.

BBC News Sun 10 Jan 13:25
"8 friends were shot by police in Notting Hill last night after they were discovered at a dinner party during Tier 4 lockdown. Civil Rights groups and a bunch of anti-vaxers protested, but the Prime Minister told them all to fuck off to Auckland"

We’re full.

[tc27]

Still waiting for Slick to point out the rational for his criticism of Prof Shridhar.

I think I've already said it, but her overt politicisation of many of her statements have turned people off from her message. As has her thirst for self promotion.

I know you are not hugely into balance, but for a bit of it, I think Jason Leitch has been excellent and got his tone spot on and, in terms of communucation at least, the FM has been good.

Examples?

Krishnan Guru-Murthy: When it comes to infections and deaths: is Scotland doing better than the rest of the United Kingdom, or better than England, proportionally?

Devi Sridhar: Well, I guess I would compare Scotland to the rest of the world, and say right now I feel quite lucky to be here, because our testing positivity - that’s the number of positive cases to the number of total people you test - is very low. It’s under 1%, under today 0.5%, where many places in the world are around 10-20%. And also deaths. We’ve had 15 days with one death.

Of course using the same method of recording covid 19 deaths as the rest of the UK revealed this not to be the case..people were dying throughout this period. Infact the overall mortality rate in Scotland compare badly to most other areas of the world with a similar population.

[tc27]

2 million had at least one shot by Friday.

By my rough estimations that puts the UK at no.3 behind Bahrain and Israel which is not bad and should be seriously ramping up this week - 2 million per week needs to be the mimium.

[Sandstorm]

2 million had at least one shot by Friday.

By my rough estimations that puts the UK at no.3 behind Bahrain and Israel which is not bad and should be seriously ramping up this week - 2 million per week needs to be the mimium.

When are Amazon getting involved?

[GogLais]

2 million had at least one shot by Friday.

By my rough estimations that puts the UK at no.3 behind Bahrain and Israel which is not bad and should be seriously ramping up this week - 2 million per week needs to be the mimium.

When are Amazon getting involved?

Your vaccine's behind the flower pots mate.

[dpedin]

I think I've already said it, but her overt politicisation of many of her statements have turned people off from her message. As has her thirst for self promotion.

I know you are not hugely into balance, but for a bit of it, I think Jason Leitch has been excellent and got his tone spot on and, in terms of communucation at least, the FM has been good.

Examples?

Krishnan Guru-Murthy: When it comes to infections and deaths: is Scotland doing better than the rest of the United Kingdom, or better than England, proportionally?

Devi Sridhar: Well, I guess I would compare Scotland to the rest of the world, and say right now I feel quite lucky to be here, because our testing positivity - that’s the number of positive cases to the number of total people you test - is very low. It’s under 1%, under today 0.5%, where many places in the world are around 10-20%. And also deaths. We’ve had 15 days with one death.

Of course using the same method of recording covid 19 deaths as the rest of the UK revealed this not to be the case..people were dying throughout this period. Infact the overall mortality rate in Scotland compare badly to most other areas of the world with a similar population.

Whilst you can argue about the different stats used, and there is an issue there, to suggest either of the above are in any way political is really stretching the point incredibly thin! The tweet is a statement of facts! The response to the question from Guru-Murthy is equally based on the data at the time and of course she lives and works in Scotland and at that point she was correct. If these are the examples of politicalised statements that you are complaining about then you need to take a breath!

I honestly don't know where the venom about her comes from! She is an American who studied in Florida and Oxford before getting her role in Edinburgh, She is a Rhodes scholar. She sits on groups which feed into both SAGE and the Scottish Government. She is an expert in public health. What is it about an American, Scottish based, Rhodes Scholar, female, ethnic Indian, Public Health Professor that you have a problem with?

[Saint]

2 million had at least one shot by Friday.

By my rough estimations that puts the UK at no.3 behind Bahrain and Israel which is not bad and should be seriously ramping up this week - 2 million per week needs to be the mimium.

My understanding is that there won't be sufficient supply for 2 million per week till next week, but that is the target

[Biffer]

Examples?

Krishnan Guru-Murthy: When it comes to infections and deaths: is Scotland doing better than the rest of the United Kingdom, or better than England, proportionally?

Devi Sridhar: Well, I guess I would compare Scotland to the rest of the world, and say right now I feel quite lucky to be here, because our testing positivity - that’s the number of positive cases to the number of total people you test - is very low. It’s under 1%, under today 0.5%, where many places in the world are around 10-20%. And also deaths. We’ve had 15 days with one death.

Of course using the same method of recording covid 19 deaths as the rest of the UK revealed this not to be the case..people were dying throughout this period. Infact the overall mortality rate in Scotland compare badly to most other areas of the world with a similar population.

Whilst you can argue about the different stats used, and there is an issue there, to suggest either of the above are in any way political is really stretching the point incredibly thin! The tweet is a statement of facts! The response to the question from Guru-Murthy is equally based on the data at the time and of course she lives and works in Scotland and at that point she was correct. If these are the examples of politicalised statements that you are complaining about then you need to take a breath!

I honestly don't know where the venom about her comes from! She is an American who studied in Florida and Oxford before getting her role in Edinburgh, She is a Rhodes scholar. She sits on groups which feed into both SAGE and the Scottish Government. She is an expert in public health. What is it about an American, Scottish based, Rhodes Scholar, female, ethnic Indian, Public Health Professor that you have a problem with?

I'm sure it's nothing to do with her being a woman of colour.

Not directed at tc, but at the general opprobrium she's attracted.

[tc27]

Examples?

Krishnan Guru-Murthy: When it comes to infections and deaths: is Scotland doing better than the rest of the United Kingdom, or better than England, proportionally?

Devi Sridhar: Well, I guess I would compare Scotland to the rest of the world, and say right now I feel quite lucky to be here, because our testing positivity - that’s the number of positive cases to the number of total people you test - is very low. It’s under 1%, under today 0.5%, where many places in the world are around 10-20%. And also deaths. We’ve had 15 days with one death.

Of course using the same method of recording covid 19 deaths as the rest of the UK revealed this not to be the case..people were dying throughout this period. Infact the overall mortality rate in Scotland compare badly to most other areas of the world with a similar population.

Whilst you can argue about the different stats used, and there is an issue there, to suggest either of the above are in any way political is really stretching the point incredibly thin! The tweet is a statement of facts! The response to the question from Guru-Murthy is equally based on the data at the time and of course she lives and works in Scotland and at that point she was correct. If these are the examples of politicalised statements that you are complaining about then you need to take a breath!

I honestly don't know where the venom about her comes from! She is an American who studied in Florida and Oxford before getting her role in Edinburgh, She is a Rhodes scholar. She sits on groups which feed into both SAGE and the Scottish Government. She is an expert in public health. What is it about an American, Scottish based, Rhodes Scholar, female, ethnic Indian, Public Health Professor that you have a problem with?

At the time she was quoting those facts they were in fact known to be incorrect.

I have no problem with her other than she has decided to become a political commentator so its entirely valid to scrutinise and criticise her statements. Not sure who your last paragraph was aimed at?

CMO's of all four nations and other experts have provided analysis and commentary without crossing this line. You have to question the judgement and sincerity of someone who choses to use their status to bolster one side in a divisive constitutional debate.

[tc27]

Good summary of the Governments vaccine plan.

[SaintK]

Sensible from Johnson

We’re going to keep the rules under constant review. Where we have to tighten them, we will. But we have rules in place already which, if they are properly followed, we believe can make a huge, huge difference ...
And of course, if we feel that things are not being properly observed, then we may have to do more. But far, far better for people to obey the rules that we have simply to promulgate new rules.

But!!
The Evening Standard has a good exclusive today. It reports that Boris Johnson went for a cycle ride around the Olympic Park on Sunday, seven miles from Downing Street.
Sophia Sleigh seems to have got the story in the way some of the best scoops happen - by being in the right place at the right time.

Boris Johnson just cycled past me in the Olympic park with an entourage of fellow security cyclists. Complete with his TfL hat on
Alas, I did not have time to ask him my follow up question...

[fishfoodie]

Sensible from Johnson

We’re going to keep the rules under constant review. Where we have to tighten them, we will. But we have rules in place already which, if they are properly followed, we believe can make a huge, huge difference ...
And of course, if we feel that things are not being properly observed, then we may have to do more. But far, far better for people to obey the rules that we have simply to promulgate new rules.

But!!
The Evening Standard has a good exclusive today. It reports that Boris Johnson went for a cycle ride around the Olympic Park on Sunday, seven miles from Downing Street.
Sophia Sleigh seems to have got the story in the way some of the best scoops happen - by being in the right place at the right time.

Boris Johnson just cycled past me in the Olympic park with an entourage of fellow security cyclists. Complete with his TfL hat on
Alas, I did not have time to ask him my follow up question...

You can never overestimate just how tone deaf that gobshite is.

[dpedin]

Of course using the same method of recording covid 19 deaths as the rest of the UK revealed this not to be the case..people were dying throughout this period. Infact the overall mortality rate in Scotland compare badly to most other areas of the world with a similar population.

Whilst you can argue about the different stats used, and there is an issue there, to suggest either of the above are in any way political is really stretching the point incredibly thin! The tweet is a statement of facts! The response to the question from Guru-Murthy is equally based on the data at the time and of course she lives and works in Scotland and at that point she was correct. If these are the examples of politicalised statements that you are complaining about then you need to take a breath!

I honestly don't know where the venom about her comes from! She is an American who studied in Florida and Oxford before getting her role in Edinburgh, She is a Rhodes scholar. She sits on groups which feed into both SAGE and the Scottish Government. She is an expert in public health. What is it about an American, Scottish based, Rhodes Scholar, female, ethnic Indian, Public Health Professor that you have a problem with?

At the time she was quoting those facts they were in fact known to be incorrect.

I have no problem with her other than she has decided to become a political commentator so its entirely valid to scrutinise and criticise her statements. Not sure who your last paragraph was aimed at?

CMO's of all four nations and other experts have provided analysis and commentary without crossing this line. You have to question the judgement and sincerity of someone who choses to use their status to bolster one side in a divisive constitutional debate.

Neither of the examples you provide are in any way an example of her providing political commentary!

The tweet is her comment in July of the state of play in Scotland - she lives in Scotland and is perfectly entitled to reflect on state of play in country in which she lives. Which bit of the tweet is 'political'?

The second example was an answer to a question where she was asked directly to comment on comparisons between Scotland v rest of UK and refused, deflecting question to a broader comparison with rest of world, again based on data available is accurate. She probably did this to avoid exactly the type of Scotland v England/UK commentary you accuse her of. Again which bit of her response is 'political'?

I am honestly at a loss as to how you find either of the above examples you provide as examples of 'political commentary' and of her using their status to bolster divide constitutional debate. To me it seems more like you are reading too much into this and looking for an angle that in both your examples just doesn't exist!

[Margin__Walker]

Tone deaf or not and regardless of what Derbyshire Police's opinion on it would be. It's all a bit of a side show.

People out on bike rides a little to far from their home isn't driving transmission.

[Sandstorm]

Tone deaf or not and regardless of what Derbyshire Police's opinion on it would be. It's all a bit of a side show.

People out on bike rides a little to far from their home isn't driving transmission.

Your poor attitude to the rules is driving transmission.

[GogLais]

I've found out more about if now. At first glance the UK guidance says you can travel for exercise and again at first glance there's no definition of local. After Googling further I was taken aback to see that local means "your village, town or party of a city" so I've been happily breaking the rules every few days. HMG would do away with a lot of problems if they made this clearer. Basically Derbyshire Police were in the right.

[Saint]

2 million had at least one shot by Friday.

By my rough estimations that puts the UK at no.3 behind Bahrain and Israel which is not bad and should be seriously ramping up this week - 2 million per week needs to be the mimium.

My understanding is that there won't be sufficient supply for 2 million per week till next week, but that is the target

Rishi Sunak just stated 2.4 million doses administered in the HoC as part of his economic statement.

We should be getting daily updates of this starting today

[Sandstorm]

I've found out more about if now. At first glance the UK guidance says you can travel for exercise and again at first glance there's no definition of local. After Googling further I was taken aback to see that local means "your village, town or party of a city" so I've been happily breaking the rules every few days. HMG would do away with a lot of problems if they made this clearer. Basically Derbyshire Police were in the right.

No surprise that the ones breaking rules are housewives and cyclists.

[tc27]

Dpedin:

Neither of the examples you provide are in any way an example of her providing political commentary!

The tweet is her comment in July of the state of play in Scotland - she lives in Scotland and is perfectly entitled to reflect on state of play in country in which she lives. Which bit of the tweet is 'political'?

The second example was an answer to a question where she was asked directly to comment on comparisons between Scotland v rest of UK and refused, deflecting question to a broader comparison with rest of world, again based on data available is accurate. She probably did this to avoid exactly the type of Scotland v England/UK commentary you accuse her of. Again which bit of her response is 'political'?

I am honestly at a loss as to how you find either of the above examples you provide as examples of 'political commentary' and of her using their status to bolster divide constitutional debate. To me it seems more like you are reading too much into this and looking for an angle that in both your examples just doesn't exist!

Some examples of her being political or simply incorrect (in aid of her political sympathies).

How can we get numbers down if people keep returning from trips abroad to COVID hotspots like Dubai? This is a reserved power to U.K. govt. They are undermining all local efforts to suppress bc they’re not putting in place any real travel restrictions.

Here is the problem -> UK govt has no strategy beyond locking down.

Scotland is now doing well in its response to Covid-19 which seems to anger anti-Scottish, pro-UK people

Ive lost the will to trawl back through her twitter profile to last summer when she was blowing smoke up NS's arse but you get the idea.

You may think she is entirely right in all her points but at least understand that people may have a problem with her that can be explained by something other than racism and or sexism.

[tc27]

Situation in RoI:

[fishfoodie]

Not sure if this is a RR, but this is another real wtf from him

[SaintK]

Not sure if this is a RR, but this is another real wtf from him

Sounds about par for the course from that twat and his department

[Enzedder]

Shooting in the face a bit extreme however?

No other way the 25% of wankers out there will learn.

BBC News Sun 10 Jan 13:25
"8 friends were shot by police in Notting Hill last night after they were discovered at a dinner party during Tier 4 lockdown. Civil Rights groups and a bunch of anti-vaxers protested, but the Prime Minister told them all to fuck off to Auckland"

We’re full.

Auckland Islands could take a few

[Fangle]

I’m currently in hospital in the states, and the nurses here are getting their second jab tomorrow. I don’t know when the over 75s will be started, but hopefully in the next couple of weeks.

[Enzedder]

Sorry to hear that Fangle. I hope it's not too serious; get better soon buddy.

[sefton]

I’m currently in hospital in the states, and the nurses here are getting their second jab tomorrow. I don’t know when the over 75s will be started, but hopefully in the next couple of weeks.

Keep your pecker up, old bean.

[Flockwitt]

I’m currently in hospital in the states, and the nurses here are getting their second jab tomorrow. I don’t know when the over 75s will be started, but hopefully in the next couple of weeks.

Get well soon and hopefully out of there...

[Guy Smiley]

I’m currently in hospital in the states, and the nurses here are getting their second jab tomorrow. I don’t know when the over 75s will be started, but hopefully in the next couple of weeks.

Best wishes to you Fangle

[TheNatalShark]

I see Astrazeneca has formally applied for conditional approval of its vaccine in the EU.

Guess from a UK perspective it might further bottleneck deliveries if the initial European orders are higher priority than both parties subsequent orders? Will be very interesting in hindsight to see how the delivery priorities were agreed.

[Saint]

I see Astrazeneca has formally applied for conditional approval of its vaccine in the EU.

Guess from a UK perspective it might further bottleneck deliveries if the initial European orders are higher priority than both parties subsequent orders? Will be very interesting in hindsight to see how the delivery priorities were agreed.

It will have zero impact. US production will be at Emergent's facility in Baltimore.

EDIT - Sorry, read US for EU. EU manufacturing will be out of Halix. UK deliveries are switching to UK production this week

[Hal Jordan]

Not sure if this is a RR, but this is another real wtf from him

Presumably BT aren't in the chumocracy, unlike the company awarded the school laptops contract or the ones giving a potato and a piece of bread for your £30 school meal replacement.

[TheNatalShark]

I see Astrazeneca has formally applied for conditional approval of its vaccine in the EU.

Guess from a UK perspective it might further bottleneck deliveries if the initial European orders are higher priority than both parties subsequent orders? Will be very interesting in hindsight to see how the delivery priorities were agreed.

It will have zero impact. US production will be at Emergent's facility in Baltimore.

EDIT - Sorry, read US for EU. EU manufacturing will be out of Halix. UK deliveries are switching to UK production this week

Good to hear thanks

[Biffer]

Not sure if this is a RR, but this is another real wtf from him

Presumably BT aren't in the chumocracy, unlike the company awarded the school laptops contract or the ones giving a potato and a piece of bread for your £30 school meal replacement.

The school meal thing is shocking. Jack Monroe on Twitter has a good comparison of what can be purchased with £20 compared to what’s being delivered for £30.

[Saint]

Vaccine delivery is definitely ramping up in the UK - now 2.68 million doses delivered, putting the UK 3rd overall and 4th per capita. Wales and Scotland a bit worrying though - were England and NI both have a noticeable hockey stick effect starting last week, Wales and Scotland don't

[dpedin]

Dpedin:

Neither of the examples you provide are in any way an example of her providing political commentary!

The tweet is her comment in July of the state of play in Scotland - she lives in Scotland and is perfectly entitled to reflect on state of play in country in which she lives. Which bit of the tweet is 'political'?

The second example was an answer to a question where she was asked directly to comment on comparisons between Scotland v rest of UK and refused, deflecting question to a broader comparison with rest of world, again based on data available is accurate. She probably did this to avoid exactly the type of Scotland v England/UK commentary you accuse her of. Again which bit of her response is 'political'?

I am honestly at a loss as to how you find either of the above examples you provide as examples of 'political commentary' and of her using their status to bolster divide constitutional debate. To me it seems more like you are reading too much into this and looking for an angle that in both your examples just doesn't exist!

Some examples of her being political or simply incorrect (in aid of her political sympathies).

How can we get numbers down if people keep returning from trips abroad to COVID hotspots like Dubai? This is a reserved power to U.K. govt. They are undermining all local efforts to suppress bc they’re not putting in place any real travel restrictions.

Here is the problem -> UK govt has no strategy beyond locking down.

Scotland is now doing well in its response to Covid-19 which seems to anger anti-Scottish, pro-UK people

Ive lost the will to trawl back through her twitter profile to last summer when she was blowing smoke up NS's arse but you get the idea.

You may think she is entirely right in all her points but at least understand that people may have a problem with her that can be explained by something other than racism and or sexism.

Is that it! You really must have very, very thin skin if these are the best examples of how 'political' she is and feel more than justified in calling her a twat and defend it. Dubai is an issue, travel can only be stopped by UK Gov and actions were taken yesterday/today by SG and UK Gov. UK Gov has no strategy beyond lock down, if there is one please share. You demonstrate the third one quote exactly, and prove her point to a tee!

I repeat I struggle with the attitude that you have with her. If she is spouting demonstrable nonsense then please share. Do you have any issues with Linda Bauld, another member of the team at UoE who is on the tv as much, or is she different? Is Linda a twat too?

[Slick]

Vaccine delivery is definitely ramping up in the UK - now 2.68 million doses delivered, putting the UK 3rd overall and 4th per capita. Wales and Scotland a bit worrying though - were England and NI both have a noticeable hockey stick effect starting last week, Wales and Scotland don't

There seemed to be a bit of panic in the ranks at the FM presser yesterday. Maybe I read it wrong, but she didn't look comfortable talking about the progress

[Hal Jordan]

Not sure if this is a RR, but this is another real wtf from him

Presumably BT aren't in the chumocracy, unlike the company awarded the school laptops contract or the ones giving a potato and a piece of bread for your £30 school meal replacement.

The school meal thing is shocking. Jack Monroe on Twitter has a good comparison of what can be purchased with £20 compared to what’s being delivered for £30.

I think it would be more shocking if it wasn't so predictable.

[Slick]

Not sure if this is a RR, but this is another real wtf from him

Presumably BT aren't in the chumocracy, unlike the company awarded the school laptops contract or the ones giving a potato and a piece of bread for your £30 school meal replacement.

The school meal thing is shocking. Jack Monroe on Twitter has a good comparison of what can be purchased with £20 compared to what’s being delivered for £30.

I've completely missed this, do you have a decent link?