sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:57 pm
Well, yes. Fishing has always been little more than an emotive symbol in the grand picture, but at the moment we're really focussing on how cunty JR-M's comments were and how being tongue in cheek doesn't make the positive difference OS seems to think.
I always find about laughing about businesses that are f*cked the best method.
You lot really are a misery if you can’t see the funny side of JRM suggesting the fish are happier in British waters god help you.
Or perhaps we're simply not devoid of empathy and identify more closely with those having their livelihoods skull fucked by government lies and ineptitude than the insulated toff caricature making flippant jokes about the situation. If I'd advocated for something that was needlessly threatening working people like that I'd be fucking mortified and doing my damndest to try and help them rather than making shite 'jokes' while ensconced in a cocoon of privilege.
Seriously, you come across as a complete empathy vacuum buoyed by an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude with the majority of your contributions.,
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:57 pm
Well, yes. Fishing has always been little more than an emotive symbol in the grand picture, but at the moment we're really focussing on how cunty JR-M's comments were and how being tongue in cheek doesn't make the positive difference OS seems to think.
I always find about laughing about businesses that are f*cked the best method.
You lot really are a misery if you can’t see the funny side of JRM suggesting the fish are happier in British waters god help you.
Oh come on. It’s just a little teasing fun. Nanny will bring him a warm cocoa if he gets upset at this politically powerful forum.
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:57 pm
Well, yes. Fishing has always been little more than an emotive symbol in the grand picture, but at the moment we're really focussing on how cunty JR-M's comments were and how being tongue in cheek doesn't make the positive difference OS seems to think.
I always find about laughing about businesses that are f*cked the best method.
You lot really are a misery if you can’t see the funny side of JRM suggesting the fish are happier in British waters god help you.
But it's not a funny joke, that's the worst part. It's a really really sh*t and pointless comment. If you find that funny I guess you're lucky you can laugh at pretty much anything anyone ever says.
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:57 pm
Well, yes. Fishing has always been little more than an emotive symbol in the grand picture, but at the moment we're really focussing on how cunty JR-M's comments were and how being tongue in cheek doesn't make the positive difference OS seems to think.
I always find about laughing about businesses that are f*cked the best method.
You lot really are a misery if you can’t see the funny side of JRM suggesting the fish are happier in British waters god help you.
There’s a time and a place for flippant jokes. I’d suggest that when you’ve been asked in parliament about the livelihood of fishermen whose jobs appear to be going down the pan is not that time.
I always find about laughing about businesses that are f*cked the best method.
You lot really are a misery if you can’t see the funny side of JRM suggesting the fish are happier in British waters god help you.
Or perhaps we're simply not devoid of empathy and identify more closely with those having their livelihoods skull fucked by government lies and ineptitude than the insulated toff caricature making flippant jokes about the situation. If I'd advocated for something that was needlessly threatening working people like that I'd be fucking mortified and doing my damndest to try and help them rather than making shite 'jokes' while ensconced in a cocoon of privilege.
Seriously, you come across as a complete empathy vacuum buoyed by an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude with the majority of your contributions.,
It’s important never to lose your sense of humour. I am sorry if people are having a hard time, there were always going to be teething problems, they will get ironed out and we will move on. Why not sell them locally rather than allowing them to rot?
I always find about laughing about businesses that are f*cked the best method.
You lot really are a misery if you can’t see the funny side of JRM suggesting the fish are happier in British waters god help you.
There’s a time and a place for flippant jokes. I’d suggest that when you’ve been asked in parliament about the livelihood of fishermen whose jobs appear to be going down the pan is not that time.
I had no idea what context he made the quote in I merely found it amusing for him to suggest the fish were happier when they were British. End of. That isn’t good enough for the doom mongers though...
You lot really are a misery if you can’t see the funny side of JRM suggesting the fish are happier in British waters god help you.
Or perhaps we're simply not devoid of empathy and identify more closely with those having their livelihoods skull fucked by government lies and ineptitude than the insulated toff caricature making flippant jokes about the situation. If I'd advocated for something that was needlessly threatening working people like that I'd be fucking mortified and doing my damndest to try and help them rather than making shite 'jokes' while ensconced in a cocoon of privilege.
Seriously, you come across as a complete empathy vacuum buoyed by an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude with the majority of your contributions.,
It’s important never to lose your sense of humour. I am sorry if people are having a hard time, there were always going to be teething problems, they will get ironed out and we will move on. Why not sell them locally rather than allowing them to rot?
Tbf though some of your post lockdown 1 threads and posts didn’t show that much empathy, all about how much fun you are having and playing bridge or golf (I forget)
Perhaps you should just make crap jokes like I do if you value humour so much ? I rarely if ever mock people losing their livelihoods as it’s not especially funny , and I’m not an MP in parliament.
You lot really are a misery if you can’t see the funny side of JRM suggesting the fish are happier in British waters god help you.
Or perhaps we're simply not devoid of empathy and identify more closely with those having their livelihoods skull fucked by government lies and ineptitude than the insulated toff caricature making flippant jokes about the situation. If I'd advocated for something that was needlessly threatening working people like that I'd be fucking mortified and doing my damndest to try and help them rather than making shite 'jokes' while ensconced in a cocoon of privilege.
Seriously, you come across as a complete empathy vacuum buoyed by an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude with the majority of your contributions.,
It’s important never to lose your sense of humour. I am sorry if people are having a hard time, there were always going to be teething problems, they will get ironed out and we will move on. Why not sell them locally rather than allowing them to rot?
You are clueless aren't you? Over 70% of the UK catch is traditionally exported, the UK market is tiny in comparison. A lot of trade processors and suppliers are already selling directly to consumers now as their restaurant supply business has gone.
Perhaps you ought to pop up to Oban or Peterhead and repeat Rees-Moggs little "joke" to the doom mongers there.
Openside wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:28 am
It’s important never to lose your sense of humour. I am sorry if people are having a hard time, there were always going to be teething problems, they will get ironed out and we will move on. Why not sell them locally rather than allowing them to rot?
A sense of humour like when taking the piss out of Priti Patel talking nonsense and you got all huffy, that sort of sense of humour?
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
Openside wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:28 am
It’s important never to lose your sense of humour. I am sorry if people are having a hard time, there were always going to be teething problems, they will get ironed out and we will move on. Why not sell them locally rather than allowing them to rot?
A sense of humour like when taking the piss out of Priti Patel talking nonsense and you got all huffy, that sort of sense of humour?
Or perhaps we're simply not devoid of empathy and identify more closely with those having their livelihoods skull fucked by government lies and ineptitude than the insulated toff caricature making flippant jokes about the situation. If I'd advocated for something that was needlessly threatening working people like that I'd be fucking mortified and doing my damndest to try and help them rather than making shite 'jokes' while ensconced in a cocoon of privilege.
Seriously, you come across as a complete empathy vacuum buoyed by an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude with the majority of your contributions.,
It’s important never to lose your sense of humour. I am sorry if people are having a hard time, there were always going to be teething problems, they will get ironed out and we will move on. Why not sell them locally rather than allowing them to rot?
You are clueless aren't you? Over 70% of the UK catch is traditionally exported, the UK market is tiny in comparison. A lot of trade processors and suppliers are already selling directly to consumers now as their restaurant supply business has gone.
Perhaps you ought to pop up to Oban or Peterhead and repeat Rees-Moggs little "joke" to the doom mongers there.
Spot on SaintK - Openside's type of ignorance and arrogance is exactly why fishing is in the mess we are in now. Let them eat cake!
You lot really are a misery if you can’t see the funny side of JRM suggesting the fish are happier in British waters god help you.
Or perhaps we're simply not devoid of empathy and identify more closely with those having their livelihoods skull fucked by government lies and ineptitude than the insulated toff caricature making flippant jokes about the situation. If I'd advocated for something that was needlessly threatening working people like that I'd be fucking mortified and doing my damndest to try and help them rather than making shite 'jokes' while ensconced in a cocoon of privilege.
Seriously, you come across as a complete empathy vacuum buoyed by an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude with the majority of your contributions.,
It’s important never to lose your sense of humour. I am sorry if people are having a hard time, there were always going to be teething problems, they will get ironed out and we will move on. Why not sell them locally rather than allowing them to rot?
His statement devoid of any context isn't particularly funny anyway. At best it might raise a wry smile and cocked eyebrow in a 'wtf is this guy talking about' kind of way.
In context it's at best inadvisable and entirely in keeping with kind of callousness critics of the Tories have often accused them of and which prominent party figures never really do anything to dispel.
As to the bolded, yes why not instantaneously set up a new local market for hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of product.It's almost like a market for the volume they trade in needs to be built up over time...
To think an industry can immediately pivot and start selling into a far smaller market they always had access to anyway and offset the losses that come from restricted access to their much larger markets and customers is to be someone who hasn't given something a moment's thought.
The good news for the fisherman is they won't need to worry about caps on fishing as Brits don't eat enough fish for them to matter anyway. So when we inevitably give the EU access to our fishing waters they'll be better fish stocks.
Openside wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:28 am
It’s important never to lose your sense of humour. I am sorry if people are having a hard time, there were always going to be teething problems, they will get ironed out and we will move on. Why not sell them locally rather than allowing them to rot?
A sense of humour like when taking the piss out of Priti Patel talking nonsense and you got all huffy, that sort of sense of humour?
I didn’t lose my sense of humour, her mix up was painful rather than funny. The point I was making is you are relentlessly negative on here about everything.
Or perhaps we're simply not devoid of empathy and identify more closely with those having their livelihoods skull fucked by government lies and ineptitude than the insulated toff caricature making flippant jokes about the situation. If I'd advocated for something that was needlessly threatening working people like that I'd be fucking mortified and doing my damndest to try and help them rather than making shite 'jokes' while ensconced in a cocoon of privilege.
Seriously, you come across as a complete empathy vacuum buoyed by an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude with the majority of your contributions.,
It’s important never to lose your sense of humour. I am sorry if people are having a hard time, there were always going to be teething problems, they will get ironed out and we will move on. Why not sell them locally rather than allowing them to rot?
His statement devoid of any context isn't particularly funny anyway. At best it might raise a wry smile and cocked eyebrow in a 'wtf is this guy talking about' kind of way.
In context it's at best inadvisable and entirely in keeping with kind of callousness critics of the Tories have often accused them of and which prominent party figures never really do anything to dispel.
As to the bolded, yes why not instantaneously set up a new local market for hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of product.It's almost like a market for the volume they trade in needs to be built up over time...
Ffs I meant that particular catch, these red tape wrinkles will be ironed out very quickly. A resourceful skipper/export company will have contacts in the industry who will take the catch for a reduced price or whatever. But it’s probably far better to dump it on the docks to rot to make a statement.
It’s important never to lose your sense of humour. I am sorry if people are having a hard time, there were always going to be teething problems, they will get ironed out and we will move on. Why not sell them locally rather than allowing them to rot?
You are clueless aren't you? Over 70% of the UK catch is traditionally exported, the UK market is tiny in comparison. A lot of trade processors and suppliers are already selling directly to consumers now as their restaurant supply business has gone.
Perhaps you ought to pop up to Oban or Peterhead and repeat Rees-Moggs little "joke" to the doom mongers there.
Spot on SaintK - Openside's type of ignorance and arrogance is exactly why fishing is in the mess we are in now. Let them eat cake!
Yes of course it is! in fact I strongly suspect it is entirely my fault as I am on a retainer from the EU to ruin our fishing industry you hysterical ninny.
It’s important never to lose your sense of humour. I am sorry if people are having a hard time, there were always going to be teething problems, they will get ironed out and we will move on. Why not sell them locally rather than allowing them to rot?
His statement devoid of any context isn't particularly funny anyway. At best it might raise a wry smile and cocked eyebrow in a 'wtf is this guy talking about' kind of way.
In context it's at best inadvisable and entirely in keeping with kind of callousness critics of the Tories have often accused them of and which prominent party figures never really do anything to dispel.
As to the bolded, yes why not instantaneously set up a new local market for hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of product.It's almost like a market for the volume they trade in needs to be built up over time...
Ffs I meant that particular catch, these red tape wrinkles will be ironed out very quickly. A resourceful skipper/export company will have contacts in the industry who will take the catch for a reduced price or whatever. But it’s probably far better to dump it on the docks to rot to make a statement.
It's far better to lose a lot of money to make a point about how something you supported is going badly is an opinion..
It’s important never to lose your sense of humour. I am sorry if people are having a hard time, there were always going to be teething problems, they will get ironed out and we will move on. Why not sell them locally rather than allowing them to rot?
His statement devoid of any context isn't particularly funny anyway. At best it might raise a wry smile and cocked eyebrow in a 'wtf is this guy talking about' kind of way.
In context it's at best inadvisable and entirely in keeping with kind of callousness critics of the Tories have often accused them of and which prominent party figures never really do anything to dispel.
As to the bolded, yes why not instantaneously set up a new local market for hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of product.It's almost like a market for the volume they trade in needs to be built up over time...
Ffs I meant that particular catch, these red tape wrinkles will be ironed out very quickly. A resourceful skipper/export company will have contacts in the industry who will take the catch for a reduced price or whatever. But it’s probably far better to dump it on the docks to rot to make a statement.
Who are they selling it to? Supermarkets have their established supply chains and while there's some flexibility in terms of stores ordering certain items to cater to local customer preference, to suddenly buy up a load of fresh seafood would be beyond most in terms of storage and sale area let alone finances. Budgets for non-standard or ad hoc ordering are really small.
On top of that there's a reason so much of our seafood is exported: British consumers don't buy it. The price point you'd have to establish to drive desire at all, let alone for the quantities currently rotting, would probably mean all parties in the chain making a loss. There is no incentive for anyone to take this off their hands in the UK.
His statement devoid of any context isn't particularly funny anyway. At best it might raise a wry smile and cocked eyebrow in a 'wtf is this guy talking about' kind of way.
In context it's at best inadvisable and entirely in keeping with kind of callousness critics of the Tories have often accused them of and which prominent party figures never really do anything to dispel.
As to the bolded, yes why not instantaneously set up a new local market for hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of product.It's almost like a market for the volume they trade in needs to be built up over time...
Ffs I meant that particular catch, these red tape wrinkles will be ironed out very quickly. A resourceful skipper/export company will have contacts in the industry who will take the catch for a reduced price or whatever. But it’s probably far better to dump it on the docks to rot to make a statement.
Who are they selling it to? Supermarkets have their established supply chains and while there's some flexibility in terms of stores ordering certain items to cater to local customer preference, to suddenly buy up a load of fresh seafood would be beyond most in terms of storage and sale area let alone finances. Budgets for non-standard or ad hoc ordering are really small.
On top of that there's a reason so much of our seafood is exported: British consumers don't buy it. The price point you'd have to establish to drive desire at all, let alone for the quantities currently rotting, would probably mean all parties in the chain making a loss. There is no incentive for anyone to take this off their hands in the UK.
I am not suggesting it is easy, but people in the industry have those sort of contacts and will be able to swallow it in the short term or 'take a punt' people do this sort of stuff all the time. Maybe in the medium to long term the UK will start to eat more seafood who knows?
It’s important never to lose your sense of humour. I am sorry if people are having a hard time, there were always going to be teething problems, they will get ironed out and we will move on. Why not sell them locally rather than allowing them to rot?
His statement devoid of any context isn't particularly funny anyway. At best it might raise a wry smile and cocked eyebrow in a 'wtf is this guy talking about' kind of way.
In context it's at best inadvisable and entirely in keeping with kind of callousness critics of the Tories have often accused them of and which prominent party figures never really do anything to dispel.
As to the bolded, yes why not instantaneously set up a new local market for hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of product.It's almost like a market for the volume they trade in needs to be built up over time...
Ffs I meant that particular catch, these red tape wrinkles will be ironed out very quickly. A resourceful skipper/export company will have contacts in the industry who will take the catch for a reduced price or whatever. But it’s probably far better to dump it on the docks to rot to make a statement.
You are completely, commercially illiterate. Do you not understand how long it takes to set up a stable supply chain and wouldn't you imagine the resourceful skippers and processors are already using all their contacts?
The catches are not being dumped to rot quayside they are mostly sitting in the backs of lorries rotting because the " red tape wrinkle" as you so naively put it are now taking longer than the lifespan of the loads in transit. These catches have about 3 days max to get from quayside to the main wholesale market in Boulougne and then onwards.
You appear to be in the know and play golf with various "captains of industry", so will these "red tape wrinkles" of yours be ironed out before all the small and family run businesses allied to the fishing industry are financially wiped out?
His statement devoid of any context isn't particularly funny anyway. At best it might raise a wry smile and cocked eyebrow in a 'wtf is this guy talking about' kind of way.
In context it's at best inadvisable and entirely in keeping with kind of callousness critics of the Tories have often accused them of and which prominent party figures never really do anything to dispel.
As to the bolded, yes why not instantaneously set up a new local market for hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of product.It's almost like a market for the volume they trade in needs to be built up over time...
Ffs I meant that particular catch, these red tape wrinkles will be ironed out very quickly. A resourceful skipper/export company will have contacts in the industry who will take the catch for a reduced price or whatever. But it’s probably far better to dump it on the docks to rot to make a statement.
You are completely, commercially illiterate. Do you not understand how long it takes to set up a stable supply chain and wouldn't you imagine the resourceful skippers and processors are already using all their contacts?
The catches are not being dumped to rot quayside they are mostly sitting in the backs of lorries rotting because the " red tape wrinkle" as you so naively put it are now taking longer than the lifespan of the loads in transit. These catches have about 3 days max to get from quayside to the main wholesale market in Boulougne and then onwards.
You appear to be in the know and play golf with various "captains of industry", so will these "red tape wrinkles" of yours be ironed out before all the small and family run businesses allied to the fishing industry are financially wiped out?
He isn't thinking commercially though. He's thinking stiff upper lip rule Britannia we'll get through easy without this someone talking Blighty down (explaining supply chains).
Tbf to openside though the fishing industry didn't give it much thought either.
Ffs I meant that particular catch, these red tape wrinkles will be ironed out very quickly. A resourceful skipper/export company will have contacts in the industry who will take the catch for a reduced price or whatever. But it’s probably far better to dump it on the docks to rot to make a statement.
You are completely, commercially illiterate. Do you not understand how long it takes to set up a stable supply chain and wouldn't you imagine the resourceful skippers and processors are already using all their contacts?
The catches are not being dumped to rot quayside they are mostly sitting in the backs of lorries rotting because the " red tape wrinkle" as you so naively put it are now taking longer than the lifespan of the loads in transit. These catches have about 3 days max to get from quayside to the main wholesale market in Boulougne and then onwards.
You appear to be in the know and play golf with various "captains of industry", so will these "red tape wrinkles" of yours be ironed out before all the small and family run businesses allied to the fishing industry are financially wiped out?
He isn't thinking commercially though. He's thinking stiff upper lip rule Britannia we'll get through easy without this someone talking Blighty down (explaining supply chains).
Tbf to openside though the fishing industry didn't give it much thought either.
I like neeps wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:48 pm
He isn't thinking commercially though. He's thinking stiff upper lip rule Britannia we'll get through easy without this someone talking Blighty down (explaining supply chains).
Tbf to openside though the fishing industry didn't give it much thought either.
Mmm. It's very tempting to lose onself in the schadenfreudue of their votes coming home to roost after they'd been warned about the consequences of Brexit...
If nothing else they've hopefully learnt a valuable lesson about trusting what the current incarnation of the Tory party tell them.
I like neeps wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:48 pm
He isn't thinking commercially though. He's thinking stiff upper lip rule Britannia we'll get through easy without this someone talking Blighty down (explaining supply chains).
Tbf to openside though the fishing industry didn't give it much thought either.
Mmm. It's very tempting to lose onself in the schadenfreudue of their votes coming home to roost after they'd been warned about the consequences of Brexit...
If nothing else they've hopefully learnt a valuable lesson about trusting what the current incarnation of the Tory party tell them.
I think the real anger around the UK fishing ports is from all the last minute placatory lies and falsehoods leading up to to the final agreement in December. Reality is so much different.
I like neeps wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:48 pm
He isn't thinking commercially though. He's thinking stiff upper lip rule Britannia we'll get through easy without this someone talking Blighty down (explaining supply chains).
Tbf to openside though the fishing industry didn't give it much thought either.
Mmm. It's very tempting to lose onself in the schadenfreudue of their votes coming home to roost after they'd been warned about the consequences of Brexit...
If nothing else they've hopefully learnt a valuable lesson about trusting what the current incarnation of the Tory party tell them.
I think the real anger around the UK fishing ports is from all the last minute placatory lies and falsehoods leading up to to the final agreement in December. Reality is so much different.
Oh yeah, if you compare the government's November/December soundbits around the deal and what's clearly unfurling now the two aren't even remotely similar.
I like neeps wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:48 pm
He isn't thinking commercially though. He's thinking stiff upper lip rule Britannia we'll get through easy without this someone talking Blighty down (explaining supply chains).
Tbf to openside though the fishing industry didn't give it much thought either.
Mmm. It's very tempting to lose onself in the schadenfreudue of their votes coming home to roost after they'd been warned about the consequences of Brexit...
If nothing else they've hopefully learnt a valuable lesson about trusting what the current incarnation of the Tory party tell them.
I don't feel sorry for anyone who turned their back on their major customers. It was an insanely stupid decision and the chickens have come home to roost.
I like neeps wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:48 pm
He isn't thinking commercially though. He's thinking stiff upper lip rule Britannia we'll get through easy without this someone talking Blighty down (explaining supply chains).
Tbf to openside though the fishing industry didn't give it much thought either.
Mmm. It's very tempting to lose onself in the schadenfreudue of their votes coming home to roost after they'd been warned about the consequences of Brexit...
If nothing else they've hopefully learnt a valuable lesson about trusting what the current incarnation of the Tory party tell them.
I don't feel sorry for anyone who turned their back on their major customers. It was an insanely stupid decision and the chickens have come home to roost.
All warnings about the consequences of Brexit were dismissed as "Project Fear".
His statement devoid of any context isn't particularly funny anyway. At best it might raise a wry smile and cocked eyebrow in a 'wtf is this guy talking about' kind of way.
In context it's at best inadvisable and entirely in keeping with kind of callousness critics of the Tories have often accused them of and which prominent party figures never really do anything to dispel.
As to the bolded, yes why not instantaneously set up a new local market for hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of product.It's almost like a market for the volume they trade in needs to be built up over time...
Ffs I meant that particular catch, these red tape wrinkles will be ironed out very quickly. A resourceful skipper/export company will have contacts in the industry who will take the catch for a reduced price or whatever. But it’s probably far better to dump it on the docks to rot to make a statement.
You are completely, commercially illiterate. Do you not understand how long it takes to set up a stable supply chain and wouldn't you imagine the resourceful skippers and processors are already using all their contacts?
The catches are not being dumped to rot quayside they are mostly sitting in the backs of lorries rotting because the " red tape wrinkle" as you so naively put it are now taking longer than the lifespan of the loads in transit. These catches have about 3 days max to get from quayside to the main wholesale market in Boulougne and then onwards.
You appear to be in the know and play golf with various "captains of industry", so will these "red tape wrinkles" of yours be ironed out before all the small and family run businesses allied to the fishing industry are financially wiped out?
Commercially Illiterate?? I am no Bill Gates ,but I set up and grew a business from scratch to sale for 26 years so forgive me if I have a chuckle.
If you don't think that there is some capacity within the industry to absorb some extra produce you are the one that is commercially illiterate. Where there is a will there is a way! one just needs to be resourceful.
Ffs I meant that particular catch, these red tape wrinkles will be ironed out very quickly. A resourceful skipper/export company will have contacts in the industry who will take the catch for a reduced price or whatever. But it’s probably far better to dump it on the docks to rot to make a statement.
You are completely, commercially illiterate. Do you not understand how long it takes to set up a stable supply chain and wouldn't you imagine the resourceful skippers and processors are already using all their contacts?
The catches are not being dumped to rot quayside they are mostly sitting in the backs of lorries rotting because the " red tape wrinkle" as you so naively put it are now taking longer than the lifespan of the loads in transit. These catches have about 3 days max to get from quayside to the main wholesale market in Boulougne and then onwards.
You appear to be in the know and play golf with various "captains of industry", so will these "red tape wrinkles" of yours be ironed out before all the small and family run businesses allied to the fishing industry are financially wiped out?
He isn't thinking commercially though. He's thinking stiff upper lip rule Britannia we'll get through easy without this someone talking Blighty down (explaining supply chains).
Tbf to openside though the fishing industry didn't give it much thought either.
Joking apart we appear to have it in spades as a nation, I have just read an interesting article that during both the April/May and November lockdowns the Italians and the French were 2 to 3 times more likely (per capita) to be in hospital than the average Brit. Makes one proud
SaintK wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:36 pm
You are completely, commercially illiterate. Do you not understand how long it takes to set up a stable supply chain and wouldn't you imagine the resourceful skippers and processors are already using all their contacts?
The catches are not being dumped to rot quayside they are mostly sitting in the backs of lorries rotting because the " red tape wrinkle" as you so naively put it are now taking longer than the lifespan of the loads in transit. These catches have about 3 days max to get from quayside to the main wholesale market in Boulougne and then onwards.
You appear to be in the know and play golf with various "captains of industry", so will these "red tape wrinkles" of yours be ironed out before all the small and family run businesses allied to the fishing industry are financially wiped out?
He isn't thinking commercially though. He's thinking stiff upper lip rule Britannia we'll get through easy without this someone talking Blighty down (explaining supply chains).
Tbf to openside though the fishing industry didn't give it much thought either.
Bet he doesn't eat much fish either!
Its not my favourite dish, but generally have it once or twice a week.
Ffs I meant that particular catch, these red tape wrinkles will be ironed out very quickly. A resourceful skipper/export company will have contacts in the industry who will take the catch for a reduced price or whatever. But it’s probably far better to dump it on the docks to rot to make a statement.
You are completely, commercially illiterate. Do you not understand how long it takes to set up a stable supply chain and wouldn't you imagine the resourceful skippers and processors are already using all their contacts?
The catches are not being dumped to rot quayside they are mostly sitting in the backs of lorries rotting because the " red tape wrinkle" as you so naively put it are now taking longer than the lifespan of the loads in transit. These catches have about 3 days max to get from quayside to the main wholesale market in Boulougne and then onwards.
You appear to be in the know and play golf with various "captains of industry", so will these "red tape wrinkles" of yours be ironed out before all the small and family run businesses allied to the fishing industry are financially wiped out?
Commercially Illiterate?? I am no Bill Gates ,but I set up and grew a business from scratch to sale for 26 years so forgive me if I have a chuckle.
If you don't think that there is some capacity within the industry to absorb some extra produce you are the one that is commercially illiterate. Where there is a will there is a way! one just needs to be resourceful.
FFS - It is not 'some extra produce', it is the majority, about 70% or more of what they catch! In some small companies 100% of what they catch is exported directly to the EU. They would need to find UK companies to take 3-4 times what they currently take in order to make up for lost sales to EU. Its not being resourceful, its hoping for a feckin miracle. It is also a highly perishable foodstuff with a shelf life of a few days so the supply chain needs to be equipped and geared up for handling these products and to expect them to be able to handle 3-4 times the volume of what they currently take in the UK is plain ridiculous. The risk of high cost wastage if these aren't sold within the short time scale is also very prohibitive. Also the products are not sitting on the dockside rotting, many are freezing their products and selling it, unfortunately frozen product sells for about 20% of what high quality fresh produce sells for so this is economically unsustainable for very long.
Good luck with that. What people say mid term and where their crosses go are poles apart.
Indeed a lot can happen in a few years.
Even the most loyal and fawning Tory voter like OS must be pissed off with the mendacity associated with some of the massive contracts awarded to Tory donators and friends of Ministers.
Especially those that have failed so woefully. Very sad to see on the News that there are a load of very old established companies associated with fishing that will have to fold very soon.
Raab was less than empathic on Mar earlier, ffs the Robotic bell end was a disgrace.
He comes across as an automaton with no compassion, feeling or intellect.
Ffs I meant that particular catch, these red tape wrinkles will be ironed out very quickly. A resourceful skipper/export company will have contacts in the industry who will take the catch for a reduced price or whatever. But it’s probably far better to dump it on the docks to rot to make a statement.
You are completely, commercially illiterate. Do you not understand how long it takes to set up a stable supply chain and wouldn't you imagine the resourceful skippers and processors are already using all their contacts?
The catches are not being dumped to rot quayside they are mostly sitting in the backs of lorries rotting because the " red tape wrinkle" as you so naively put it are now taking longer than the lifespan of the loads in transit. These catches have about 3 days max to get from quayside to the main wholesale market in Boulougne and then onwards.
You appear to be in the know and play golf with various "captains of industry", so will these "red tape wrinkles" of yours be ironed out before all the small and family run businesses allied to the fishing industry are financially wiped out?
Commercially Illiterate?? I am no Bill Gates ,but I set up and grew a business from scratch to sale for 26 years so forgive me if I have a chuckle.
If you don't think that there is some capacity within the industry to absorb some extra produce you are the one that is commercially illiterate. Where there is a will there is a way! one just needs to be resourceful.
Fair play, well done. I hope it's funding a good retirement?
It makes it even more surprising that your take and attitude on this is so dismissive and wrong. You might have noticed that all restaurants, bars, pubs and establishments that serve food are closed across the UK so I'd be very interested in your ideas as to where all this "spare capacity" and how all this produce can be "absorbed" into it. FFS the government have fucked the export market at the moment with there Brexit deal and Covid has fucked the home market.
Having the will and being recourceful as you laughingly put it just won't do it on its own as you know full well. But hey, chin up and stiff upper lip and all that
Gove & some of his pals were on Parler until Amazon closed it down according to The Guardian today
At least 14 Conservative MPs, including several ministers, cabinet minister Michael Gove and a number of prominent Tory commentators joined Parler, the social media platform favoured by the far right that was forced offline last week for hosting threats of violence and racist slurs.
Parler was taken offline after Amazon Web Services pulled the plug last Sunday, saying violent posts and racist threats connected to the recent attack on the US Capitol violated its terms.
Analysts from the London-based Institute for Strategic Dialogue (ISD) said that Parler had become a platform where the ideas of mainstream Conservative MPs coalesced with those of extremists.
Milo Comerford, senior policy manager at ISD, said: “By positioning themselves as a safe haven for free speech and an alternative to the alleged ‘liberal bias’ of social media giants such as Facebook and Twitter, platforms like Parler attracted a motley crew of ultra-libertarians, violent extremists and conspiracy theorists, as well as more mainstream ‘free speech fundamentalists.’”
At least nine of the Tory MPs on Parler joined the platform in an apparent show of support for free speech following Donald Trump’s clashes with Twitter over remarks he made following the death of George Floyd in Minnesota last year.
Trump has lost Twitter, his biggest political megaphone. Now what?
The social media giant warned that one of Trump’s tweets “glorified violence”, the first time it had applied such a warning on any public figure’s tweets. Twitter’s row with Trump prompted a campaign by American rightwing voices to move en masse to Parler, which encouraged Trump followers to join on 15 June with a declaration for internet independence.
Days later, Foreign Office minister James Cleverly along with Brexiter Steve Baker MP and Ben Bradley MP, who was recently accused of linking free school meals with “crack dens”, joined Parler. Far-right provocateur Katie Hopkins joined on the same day, after her Twitter account was permanently suspended. Hopkins, who on Thursday joined Ukip in time for the party’s leadership contest, owned Parler’s largest UK account with 435,000 followers when it was taken offline.
Other Tory MPs to join Parler on the same day as Hopkins include Mark Jenkinson, who last year alleged that food parcels were sold or traded for drugs in his Cumbrian constituency without offering any proof, and trade minister Ranil Jayawardena.
Health minister Nadine Dorries joined Parler on 21 June. Dorries had weeks earlier been reprimanded by Downing Street for sharing a video from a far-right Twitter account that falsely claimed Keir Starmer blocked the prosecution of grooming gang members when he led the Crown Prosecution Service.
The most prolific Tory MP on the site was Bradley who sent 52 “parleys” and had more than 12,000 followers. Gove sent at least 26 parleys and had more than 5,000 followers. There is no evidence any Conservative MP posted anything untoward or what might be considered extremist or far right. Some of the accounts had been hardly used and some of those activated in June 2020 appear to have been set up only to support the free speech protest.
Other notable Conservative figures on the site include pro-Brexit campaigner Darren Grimes. In June he told his followers on Parler that “it’s about time we fought back against big tech’s assault on free speech, free expression and freedom of association”.
Comerford added: “Platforms like Parler must be understood as part of a broad online extremist ecosystem, ranging from mainstream social media platforms, imageboard sites like the chans, to encrypted-messenger apps like Telegram, all of which play roles in helping extremists to mobilise, organise and propagandise.”
Word on the street is that Facebook will also have its servers shut down for playing a key part in the organisation of the violence at the Capitol, not to mention the summer riots throughout the US.
Chris Jack, 67 test All Black - "I was voted most useless and laziest cunt in the English Premiership two years on the trot"
notfatcat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:43 pm
Word on the street is that Facebook will also have its servers shut down for playing a key part in the organisation of the violence at the Capitol, not to mention the summer riots throughout the US.
in fact I strongly suspect it is entirely my fault as I am on a retainer from the EU to ruin our fishing industry you hysterical ninny.
