So, coronavirus...

[Saint]

Our vaccination centre has run out of vaccine after just one week up and running, no more until Thursday...

whereabouts are you?

[Insane_Homer]

Au contraire , this place is full of whingeing cnuts I just don't think Saint is anywhere near the worst of them.

Fuck me you never stop moaning about people, do you

He's whinged about whinging 6 times in 7 and bit days

[Biffer]

OS desperately twisting so he doesn’t have to hold his hands up for having a cheap dig.

Au contraire , this place is full of whingeing cnuts I just don't think Saint is anywhere near the worst of them.

Fuck me you never stop moaning about people, do you

Yeah, and he still calls Saint a whingeing cnut in it as well,even when he was trying to be nice to him.

[tc27]

Mark Drayford thinks avoiding having idle vaccine crews matter more than having more people vaccinated sooner

[tabascoboy]

Our vaccination centre has run out of vaccine after just one week up and running, no more until Thursday...

whereabouts are you?

The SE corner - a long, long way from the nearest mass vax centre at Epsom!

[tc27]

Our vaccination centre has run out of vaccine after just one week up and running, no more until Thursday...

whereabouts are you?

The SE corner - a long, long way from the nearest mass vax centre at Epsom!

'Lumpiness' in supplies probably to be expected but its a shame to lose 4 days (but better to have got all the injections it could out ASAP).

My local 'GP hub' got more than expected - maybe they are re-allocating based on some criteria (maybe we got your Tabascoboy!)

My phenomenal team at Saxonbury House Surgery have in the last 48 hours administered nearly 1400 Covid vaccinations to patients of the 7 local surgeries as we are the nominated site for the PCN. Last wednesday we were only being allocated 975 injections but were then advised regarding extra allocation of stock that unexpectedly became available. We will now clear approximately 4500 vaccinations within 8 days which is fantastic news for our community. I could not be any prouder of my wonderful dedicated team and volunteers who are superheroes !! I hope our community continues to offer their ongoing support during the mammoth and long task ahead that we gladly have taken on to try and bring hope and safety at these unprecedented times. Please keep safe .Dr Susie Padgham Senior Partner and Clinical Lead for the High Weald vaccination programme.

[Saint]

Our vaccination centre has run out of vaccine after just one week up and running, no more until Thursday...

whereabouts are you?

The SE corner - a long, long way from the nearest mass vax centre at Epsom!

I supect that all "new" centres will have supply chain issues until their individual rate of delivery gets established. Sounds like they effectively worked faster than government expectation

[Bimbowomxn]

WTF are you on about?

Its pretty obvious (but see edit above)

And I still don't get it. I've been pretty scathing where they've fucked up (and it's a long list) but I've also been pretty complimentary where they'be got it right - which is basically vaccine policy. I've even defended them where some people have been complaining in this area why they haven't done better.

You want to pick a fight with someone , go talk to Bimbo

Unlikely OS and I often agree.

[Paddington Bear]

Talking to a GP in the family and they're getting 6 doses rather than 5 out of nearly every vial, meaning they've vaccinated a bunch of people in front line jobs who'd have been further down the priority list. 12 hour shifts with a break yesterday. Sounds like they've really stepped up a gear and the organisation is excellent, she is remarkably positive and chipper about the whole thing.

[Saint]

Talking to a GP in the family and they're getting 6 doses rather than 5 out of nearly every vial, meaning they've vaccinated a bunch of people in front line jobs who'd have been further down the priority list. 12 hour shifts with a break yesterday. Sounds like they've really stepped up a gear and the organisation is excellent, she is remarkably positive and chipper about the whole thing.

Yeah, there's a lot of "spare", but they can;t guarantee it = so my local practise have an "emergency" call sheet for the end of each day; effectively a list of people (mainly healthcare staff and close families) who can potentially come in inside 5 minutes of a call to soak up the spare doses. My name is somewhere on that list supposedly, although a fair way down as even that list is prioritised by risk factors

[Paddington Bear]

Talking to a GP in the family and they're getting 6 doses rather than 5 out of nearly every vial, meaning they've vaccinated a bunch of people in front line jobs who'd have been further down the priority list. 12 hour shifts with a break yesterday. Sounds like they've really stepped up a gear and the organisation is excellent, she is remarkably positive and chipper about the whole thing.

Yeah, there's a lot of "spare", but they can;t guarantee it = so my local practise have an "emergency" call sheet for the end of each day; effectively a list of people (mainly healthcare staff and close families) who can potentially come in inside 5 minutes of a call to soak up the spare doses. My name is somewhere on that list supposedly, although a fair way down as even that list is prioritised by risk factors

Exactly this. They're on to household members of NHS staff as they're much further ahead than anticipated.

[tabascoboy]

whereabouts are you?

The SE corner - a long, long way from the nearest mass vax centre at Epsom!

'Lumpiness' in supplies probably to be expected but its a shame to lose 4 days (but better to have got all the injections it could out ASAP).

My local 'GP hub' got more than expected - maybe they are re-allocating based on some criteria (maybe we got your Tabascoboy!)

My phenomenal team at Saxonbury House Surgery have in the last 48 hours administered nearly 1400 Covid vaccinations to patients of the 7 local surgeries as we are the nominated site for the PCN. Last wednesday we were only being allocated 975 injections but were then advised regarding extra allocation of stock that unexpectedly became available. We will now clear approximately 4500 vaccinations within 8 days which is fantastic news for our community. I could not be any prouder of my wonderful dedicated team and volunteers who are superheroes !! I hope our community continues to offer their ongoing support during the mammoth and long task ahead that we gladly have taken on to try and bring hope and safety at these unprecedented times. Please keep safe .Dr Susie Padgham Senior Partner and Clinical Lead for the High Weald vaccination programme.

Well you're not that far away! I've no idea how many jabs they were able to give here before it ran out, but I would hazard a guess at least 2 000 in 7 days. None of our three local surgeries or pharmacies in town were apparently suitable so they are using a church hall as a vax centre. I'm glad they got a centre up and running - albeit not a great location to get to for me - but it does highlight how unprepared we were for a high volume rollout before the crisis made it necessary.

[Raggs]

Talking to a GP in the family and they're getting 6 doses rather than 5 out of nearly every vial, meaning they've vaccinated a bunch of people in front line jobs who'd have been further down the priority list. 12 hour shifts with a break yesterday. Sounds like they've really stepped up a gear and the organisation is excellent, she is remarkably positive and chipper about the whole thing.

Yeah, there's a lot of "spare", but they can;t guarantee it = so my local practise have an "emergency" call sheet for the end of each day; effectively a list of people (mainly healthcare staff and close families) who can potentially come in inside 5 minutes of a call to soak up the spare doses. My name is somewhere on that list supposedly, although a fair way down as even that list is prioritised by risk factors

Exactly this. They're on to household members of NHS staff as they're much further ahead than anticipated.

Where I am the fire service and I believe police have been invited in for excess/missed appointments.

[Sandstorm]

Mate's wife is a surgery manager and she had "spare vaccine" jab on Friday. Felt like crap all weekend, poor thing. Said "If this is what a mild case of Covid feels like, I don't want the real thing!!!"

Another mate's Dad has Covid and is at home with a nasty cough in a small flat. His wife has Lupus and basically no immune system & they have no way of distancing from each other. She's a ticking timebomb.....

[tc27]

Picking up somewhat on what Openflies posted.

I do find it funny that some people - having gone so far down the rabbit hole of Brexit tribalism (EU good - UK bad) cant parse the fact that the procurement process in the EU has being a disaster whereas the UK is doing very well (so far) and procuring and giving the vaccination.

It possible to believe Brexit was a mistake, have a low opinion of the current government and believe most of the responses to the epidemic so far have being poor but also be able to accept this part is going well and the EU treating the vaccination procurement like a industrial workshare scheme and valuing per shot cost over delivery date was a disaster.

[Sandstorm]

Picking up somewhat on what Openflies posted.

I do find it funny that some people - having gone so far down the rabbit hole of Brexit tribalism (EU good - UK bad) cant parse the fact that the procurement process in the EU has being a disaster whereas the UK is doing very well (so far) and procuring and giving the vaccination.

It possible to believe Brexit was a mistake, have a low opinion of the current government and believe most of the responses to the epidemic so far have being poor but also be able to accept this part is going well and the EU treating the vaccination procurement like a industrial workshare scheme and valuing per shot cost over delivery date was a disaster.

Are we sure the NHS is following EU Trade rules and their shipments are being done "by the book?" That'll be a first for the NHS in Covid times! PPE rings a bell....

Or are the suppliers just pocketing the squillions the Govt is throwing at them and "we'll worry about the VAT and duty next quarter"?

Also - would you want to be CEO of the vaccine distributor in Holland who delays a shipment of vaccine that only has a shelf life of 6 days "because those splitter-Brits haven't paid the duty at Harwich....?"

Just asking.....

[tc27]

Picking up somewhat on what Openflies posted.

I do find it funny that some people - having gone so far down the rabbit hole of Brexit tribalism (EU good - UK bad) cant parse the fact that the procurement process in the EU has being a disaster whereas the UK is doing very well (so far) and procuring and giving the vaccination.

It possible to believe Brexit was a mistake, have a low opinion of the current government and believe most of the responses to the epidemic so far have being poor but also be able to accept this part is going well and the EU treating the vaccination procurement like a industrial workshare scheme and valuing per shot cost over delivery date was a disaster.

Are we sure the NHS is following EU Trade rules and their shipments are being done "by the book?" That'll be a first for the NHS in Covid times! PPE rings a bell....

Or are the suppliers just pocketing the squillions the Govt is throwing at them and "we'll worry about the VAT and duty next quarter"?

Also - would you want to be CEO of the vaccine distributor in Holland who delays a shipment of vaccine that only has a shelf life of 6 days "because those splitter-Brits haven't paid the duty at Harwich....?"

Just asking.....

Not quite sure what your are tilting at with this.

But on the issue of costs - I have heard plenty of economists saying the vaccines will pay for themselves multiple times over if they lead to an earlier re-opening of the economy and trading delays for cost saving makes absolutely no economic sense (leaving aside the moral issue).

I think their is an annex in the EU-UK FCA that deals with medicines (no tariffs) and presumably shipments from Pzfers factory in Belgium are happening under these provisions?

[Saint]

Picking up somewhat on what Openflies posted.

I do find it funny that some people - having gone so far down the rabbit hole of Brexit tribalism (EU good - UK bad) cant parse the fact that the procurement process in the EU has being a disaster whereas the UK is doing very well (so far) and procuring and giving the vaccination.

It possible to believe Brexit was a mistake, have a low opinion of the current government and believe most of the responses to the epidemic so far have being poor but also be able to accept this part is going well and the EU treating the vaccination procurement like a industrial workshare scheme and valuing per shot cost over delivery date was a disaster.

I think most people on this thread have said that, either very explicitly like me, or at least implicitly. In fact, the one person who really made an issue about the vaccine rollout and felt that it wasn't going well, especially the initial stages, was the pro-Brexit Bimbo.

However, I don't really see anything to do with Covid to be all that related to Brexit, whether you're a remainer or a Brexiteer. The virus certainly doesn't have an opinion on Brexit, and regardless of whether we're doing better or worse than the rest of the EU, and regardless of whether any of that has anything to do with us being members or not, lots of people are dying everywhere.

It's also perfectly valid to criticise (or complement) a government policy without trying to parse it through your worldview on Brexit. Objectively, overall, the current government has performed poorly during this pandemic. There have been some good policies inside that though, and the vaccination programme is one of those (particularly in NI and England) - even though, by it's very nature, a lot is having to be thrown together on the fly

[Sandstorm]

I think their is an annex in the EU-UK FCA that deals with medicines (no tariffs) and presumably shipments from Pzfers factory in Belgium are happening under these provisions?

Interesting. Can I get my Leffe beer tariff-free too? I consider it medicinal, Gov.

[tc27]

Picking up somewhat on what Openflies posted.

I do find it funny that some people - having gone so far down the rabbit hole of Brexit tribalism (EU good - UK bad) cant parse the fact that the procurement process in the EU has being a disaster whereas the UK is doing very well (so far) and procuring and giving the vaccination.

It possible to believe Brexit was a mistake, have a low opinion of the current government and believe most of the responses to the epidemic so far have being poor but also be able to accept this part is going well and the EU treating the vaccination procurement like a industrial workshare scheme and valuing per shot cost over delivery date was a disaster.

I think most people on this thread have said that, either very explicitly like me, or at least implicitly. In fact, the one person who really made an issue about the vaccine rollout and felt that it wasn't going well, especially the initial stages, was the pro-Brexit Bimbo.

However, I don't really see anything to do with Covid to be all that related to Brexit, whether you're a remainer or a Brexiteer. The virus certainly doesn't have an opinion on Brexit, and regardless of whether we're doing better or worse than the rest of the EU, and regardless of whether any of that has anything to do with us being members or not, lots of people are dying everywhere.

It's also perfectly valid to criticise (or complement) a government policy without trying to parse it through your worldview on Brexit. Objectively, overall, the current government has performed poorly during this pandemic. There have been some good policies inside that though, and the vaccination programme is one of those (particularly in NI and England) - even though, by it's very nature, a lot is having to be thrown together on the fly

Nothing to disagree with here.

My point was not aimed at anyone here but more on forums like Twitter where the level of polarisation is simply ridiculous.

[tc27]

I think their is an annex in the EU-UK FCA that deals with medicines (no tariffs) and presumably shipments from Pzfers factory in Belgium are happening under these provisions?

Interesting. Can I get my Leffe beer tariff-free too? I consider it medicinal, Gov.

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/p ... /253488046

[Saint]

Picking up somewhat on what Openflies posted.

I do find it funny that some people - having gone so far down the rabbit hole of Brexit tribalism (EU good - UK bad) cant parse the fact that the procurement process in the EU has being a disaster whereas the UK is doing very well (so far) and procuring and giving the vaccination.

It possible to believe Brexit was a mistake, have a low opinion of the current government and believe most of the responses to the epidemic so far have being poor but also be able to accept this part is going well and the EU treating the vaccination procurement like a industrial workshare scheme and valuing per shot cost over delivery date was a disaster.

I think most people on this thread have said that, either very explicitly like me, or at least implicitly. In fact, the one person who really made an issue about the vaccine rollout and felt that it wasn't going well, especially the initial stages, was the pro-Brexit Bimbo.

However, I don't really see anything to do with Covid to be all that related to Brexit, whether you're a remainer or a Brexiteer. The virus certainly doesn't have an opinion on Brexit, and regardless of whether we're doing better or worse than the rest of the EU, and regardless of whether any of that has anything to do with us being members or not, lots of people are dying everywhere.

It's also perfectly valid to criticise (or complement) a government policy without trying to parse it through your worldview on Brexit. Objectively, overall, the current government has performed poorly during this pandemic. There have been some good policies inside that though, and the vaccination programme is one of those (particularly in NI and England) - even though, by it's very nature, a lot is having to be thrown together on the fly

Nothing to disagree with here.

My point was not aimed at anyone here but more on forums like Twitter where the level of polarisation is simply ridiculous.

They're just talking in a big echo chamber and are more interested in the process of arguing than what they're actually arguing about

[Bimbowomxn]

Picking up somewhat on what Openflies posted.

I do find it funny that some people - having gone so far down the rabbit hole of Brexit tribalism (EU good - UK bad) cant parse the fact that the procurement process in the EU has being a disaster whereas the UK is doing very well (so far) and procuring and giving the vaccination.

It possible to believe Brexit was a mistake, have a low opinion of the current government and believe most of the responses to the epidemic so far have being poor but also be able to accept this part is going well and the EU treating the vaccination procurement like a industrial workshare scheme and valuing per shot cost over delivery date was a disaster.

Are we sure the NHS is following EU Trade rules and their shipments are being done "by the book?" That'll be a first for the NHS in Covid times! PPE rings a bell....

Or are the suppliers just pocketing the squillions the Govt is throwing at them and "we'll worry about the VAT and duty next quarter"?

Also - would you want to be CEO of the vaccine distributor in Holland who delays a shipment of vaccine that only has a shelf life of 6 days "because those splitter-Brits haven't paid the duty at Harwich....?"

Just asking.....

Literally none of the above could happen in the real world with medication. We aren’t member in EU trade rules. (Germany are and they’ve stepped out of central supply )


There’s no VAT on vaccines.

There’s no duty nor tariffs on vaccines. That’s a global rule.

What’s wrong with you.

[Paddington Bear]

Mark Drayford thinks avoiding having idle vaccine crews matter more than having more people vaccinated sooner

The Welsh rollout looks like a disaster and that reasoning is so poor I can only assume they're trying to cover up their own incompetence

[Saint]

Mark Drayford thinks avoiding having idle vaccine crews matter more than having more people vaccinated sooner

The Welsh rollout looks like a disaster and that reasoning is so poor I can only assume they're trying to cover up their own incompetence

I have absolutely no understanding of what's going on in Wales other than they seem to be scared of running out of vaccine and having people twiddling their thumbs. It's bonkers

[Biffer]

Scottish daily briefing just said 264,000 now vaccinated, that would be 40,000 in the last two days.

[Lobby]

Mark Drayford thinks avoiding having idle vaccine crews matter more than having more people vaccinated sooner

The Welsh rollout looks like a disaster and that reasoning is so poor I can only assume they're trying to cover up their own incompetence

I have absolutely no understanding of what's going on in Wales other than they seem to be scared of running out of vaccine and having people twiddling their thumbs. It's bonkers

Not looking good at the moment.

[Saint]

Scottish daily briefing just said 264,000 now vaccinated, that would be 40,000 in the last two days.

It'll be interesting to see how the Welsh and Scots figures for the weekend get applied to the gov.uk dashboard on Tuesday - whether they are applied retrospectively, or as a big lump on the day

Edit - NI managed to deliver 24K doses on Saturday alone

[tc27]

Wales and Scotland do not report over weekends so we should see both uptick considerably when today is reported.

The British army is deployed in both countries helping out.

I really hope the vaccination programme doesn't become another nationalist football/punchbag but considering the way things have go so far I am not hopeful (and if Scotland's vaccination rate goes above England's we will certainly hear about it).

[Saint]

Wales and Scotland do not report over weekends so we should see both uptick considerably when today is reported.

The British army is deployed in both countries helping out.

I really hope the vaccination programme doesn't become another nationalist football/punchbag but considering the way things have go so far I am not hopeful (and if Scotland's vaccination rate goes above England's we will certainly hear about it).

Tomorrow.

Report today will be Sunday's figures

[Biffer]

Wales and Scotland do not report over weekends so we should see both uptick considerably when today is reported.

The British army is deployed in both countries helping out.

I really hope the vaccination programme doesn't become another nationalist football/punchbag but considering the way things have go so far I am not hopeful (and if Scotland's vaccination rate goes above England's we will certainly hear about it).

The Louis Jordan Centre is only really kicking in Today as well I think, should be 5,000 a day

[Sandstorm]

Picking up somewhat on what Openflies posted.

I do find it funny that some people - having gone so far down the rabbit hole of Brexit tribalism (EU good - UK bad) cant parse the fact that the procurement process in the EU has being a disaster whereas the UK is doing very well (so far) and procuring and giving the vaccination.

It possible to believe Brexit was a mistake, have a low opinion of the current government and believe most of the responses to the epidemic so far have being poor but also be able to accept this part is going well and the EU treating the vaccination procurement like a industrial workshare scheme and valuing per shot cost over delivery date was a disaster.

Are we sure the NHS is following EU Trade rules and their shipments are being done "by the book?" That'll be a first for the NHS in Covid times! PPE rings a bell....

Or are the suppliers just pocketing the squillions the Govt is throwing at them and "we'll worry about the VAT and duty next quarter"?

Also - would you want to be CEO of the vaccine distributor in Holland who delays a shipment of vaccine that only has a shelf life of 6 days "because those splitter-Brits haven't paid the duty at Harwich....?"

Just asking.....

Literally none of the above could happen in the real world with medication. We aren’t member in EU trade rules. (Germany are and they’ve stepped out of central supply )


There’s no VAT on vaccines.

There’s no duty nor tariffs on vaccines. That’s a global rule.

What’s wrong with you.

Sorry, I'm only up to the letter "P" in the 599 page Withdrawal Agreement. Vaccines probably won't be covered until Friday.

[tc27]

only 155k first injections in England yesterday - even adding in the other UK nations that's a substantial drop off.

Hopefully its just the Sunday factor.

[Saint]

Wales and Scotland do not report over weekends so we should see both uptick considerably when today is reported.

The British army is deployed in both countries helping out.

I really hope the vaccination programme doesn't become another nationalist football/punchbag but considering the way things have go so far I am not hopeful (and if Scotland's vaccination rate goes above England's we will certainly hear about it).

Tomorrow.

Report today will be Sunday's figures

Actually, a bit of clarification having looks at the reporting

The numbers are reported 1 day in arrears - so the number that will be reported todays is Sunday's vaccinations. But the days that the Welsh and Scots governments don't report are actually Saturday and Sunday. SO we have numbers for Friday and Saturday so far without their numbers, and today will be Sunday's with their numbers (plus presumably the catchup).

Why on earth they can't just report 7 days a week is beyond me

[Saint]

only 155k first injections in England yesterday - even adding in the other UK nations that's a substantial drop off.

Hopefully its just the Sunday factor.

Sunday was always going to be a limiting factor. Same reason I have my doubts about the 24 hour vaccinations plan. Hardly anyone's going to come in at 3 in the morning to get a shot

[Insane_Homer]

[Sandstorm]

Anyone know the age + physical anatomy (BMI, etc) of those who were involved in the Pfizer trial? I know two people (men, 70+, overweight) who have had the vaccine and now feel really, really shite!

1) Were men in this category part of the trial?
2) Is someone who has Covid-like symptoms after the jab more susceptible to getting Bad Covid later?

[Saint]

Anyone know the age + physical anatomy (BMI, etc) of those who were involved in the Pfizer trial? I know two people (men, 70+, overweight) who have had the vaccine and now feel really, really shite!

1) Were men in this category part of the trial?
2) Is someone who has Covid-like symptoms after the jab more susceptible to getting Bad Covid later?

Complete breakdown here https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus/vaccine

[Saint]

only 155k first injections in England yesterday - even adding in the other UK nations that's a substantial drop off.

Hopefully its just the Sunday factor.

Sunday was always going to be a limiting factor. Same reason I have my doubts about the 24 hour vaccinations plan. Hardly anyone's going to come in at 3 in the morning to get a shot

Totals reported for Sunday are 225,407. This includes the catchup for Scotland and Wales for Friday and Saturday as well - so the Scots completed 40,151 Friday-Sunday,. the Welsh managed 25,362.

Be interesting to see what the impact of the 10 new mega-vax centres will be tomorrow

[Sandstorm]

Anyone know the age + physical anatomy (BMI, etc) of those who were involved in the Pfizer trial? I know two people (men, 70+, overweight) who have had the vaccine and now feel really, really shite!

1) Were men in this category part of the trial?
2) Is someone who has Covid-like symptoms after the jab more susceptible to getting Bad Covid later?

Complete breakdown here https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus/vaccine

Cheers