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Bumblecunt off the Scotland this week to 'save the union', his lack of self awareness is mind blowing...
Wee Krankie will be loving it and visit alone likely worth a point or two switching to indy.
I doubt very much Peterhead fish market (operating at less than 10% of capacity) will be on his itinerary this time
Wee Krankie will be loving it and visit alone likely worth a point or two switching to indy.
I doubt very much Peterhead fish market (operating at less than 10% of capacity) will be on his itinerary this time
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If it wasn't for the lock down he may have suffered the same fate as that Twat Farage and get trapped in a pub on the Royal Mile. I suspect this will be one of the most heavily managed PR exercises of the year.Deveron Boy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:41 pm Bumblecunt off the Scotland this week to 'save the union', his lack of self awareness is mind blowing...
Wee Krankie will be loving it and visit alone likely worth a point or two switching to indy.
I doubt very much Peterhead fish market (operating at less than 10% of capacity) will be on his itinerary this time
They really are bastards aren't they! Not a shred of feckin humanity in them unless they see a quick chance of a profit. Miserable feckers every one of them.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:26 am And latest from the Govt
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 92353.html
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Happy to dish out £00s millions in over priced contracts to their mates though for products that are either defective or entirely useless.dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:40 amThey really are bastards aren't they! Not a shred of feckin humanity in them unless they see a quick chance of a profit. Miserable feckers every one of them.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:26 am And latest from the Govt
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 92353.html
Another "knight of the shires" detatched from reality
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-to ... -12200667Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has told a Conservative MP to apologise and issue a retraction after he was accused of spreading “dangerous misinformation” about coronavirus figures.
In a video clip obtained by Sky News, Sir Desmond Swayne is reported to have commented on the threat of Covid-19, by saying during an interview with anti-lockdown group in November: “It seems to be a manageable risk, particularly as figures have been manipulated”.
"We're told there is a deathly, deadly pandemic proceeding at the moment. That is difficult to reconcile with ICUs [intensive care units] actually operating at typical occupation levels for the time of year and us bouncing round at the typical level of deaths for the time of year.”
Does the UK actually have a system for pursuing corruption?
I know South Africa was known for corruption under Zuma, but at least we have the Zondo commission looking into it. Whether the mountain of evidence extracted is actually acted upon is another matter, but at least it is being brought into the open.
I know South Africa was known for corruption under Zuma, but at least we have the Zondo commission looking into it. Whether the mountain of evidence extracted is actually acted upon is another matter, but at least it is being brought into the open.
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Think of Boris' Government as a mix of Zuma's blatant corruption and the Apartheid Nats and you've pretty much got the Tories nailed down.Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:24 am Does the UK actually have a system for pursuing corruption?
I know South Africa was known for corruption under Zuma, but at least we have the Zondo commission looking into it. Whether the mountain of evidence extracted is actually acted upon is another matter, but at least it is being brought into the open.
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
If you're in need of a good laugh, have a read of the comments on the Daily Fail's article:SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:07 am Another "knight of the shires" detatched from realityhttps://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-to ... -12200667Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has told a Conservative MP to apologise and issue a retraction after he was accused of spreading “dangerous misinformation” about coronavirus figures.
In a video clip obtained by Sky News, Sir Desmond Swayne is reported to have commented on the threat of Covid-19, by saying during an interview with anti-lockdown group in November: “It seems to be a manageable risk, particularly as figures have been manipulated”.
"We're told there is a deathly, deadly pandemic proceeding at the moment. That is difficult to reconcile with ICUs [intensive care units] actually operating at typical occupation levels for the time of year and us bouncing round at the typical level of deaths for the time of year.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Covid.html
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It's the Tories of the 80s on steroids. "We are doing what we like and you can't do a f**king thing about it". The result was an annihilation and the beginning of the B-liar era.Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:37 amThink of Boris' Government as a mix of Zuma's blatant corruption and the Apartheid Nats and you've pretty much got the Tories nailed down.Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:24 am Does the UK actually have a system for pursuing corruption?
I know South Africa was known for corruption under Zuma, but at least we have the Zondo commission looking into it. Whether the mountain of evidence extracted is actually acted upon is another matter, but at least it is being brought into the open.
Highlights the danger of having no credible opposition. That and a dim public.
Fortunately I have ad-blocker software so can't see the Mail Online. I can however imagine the general tone of the comments!!!sturginho wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:50 amIf you're in need of a good laugh, have a read of the comments on the Daily Fail's article:SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:07 am Another "knight of the shires" detatched from realityhttps://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-to ... -12200667Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has told a Conservative MP to apologise and issue a retraction after he was accused of spreading “dangerous misinformation” about coronavirus figures.
In a video clip obtained by Sky News, Sir Desmond Swayne is reported to have commented on the threat of Covid-19, by saying during an interview with anti-lockdown group in November: “It seems to be a manageable risk, particularly as figures have been manipulated”.
"We're told there is a deathly, deadly pandemic proceeding at the moment. That is difficult to reconcile with ICUs [intensive care units] actually operating at typical occupation levels for the time of year and us bouncing round at the typical level of deaths for the time of year.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Covid.html
In the UK, if there is something clearly fishy going on that even patients in a coma can detect we announce that there will be a full public enquiry. Immediately upon hearing that there will be said enquiry then all official people/bodies say they cannot talk as they could interfere with the full and frank open public enquiry that will be taking place at some point in the future. The enquiry will last many years. It may not even start for many years.Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:24 am Does the UK actually have a system for pursuing corruption?
I know South Africa was known for corruption under Zuma, but at least we have the Zondo commission looking into it. Whether the mountain of evidence extracted is actually acted upon is another matter, but at least it is being brought into the open.
For examples: In the case of the enquiry into how the press operates the conclusions & reccomendations when finally reached will then be ignored. In the Hillsborough enquiry, the final enquiry will finish after most of the guilty are dead or retired. Any who could still be prosecuted will be taken to court and found not guilty.
It's a very efficient system.
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
Swayne is a hero, the govt are trying to control us with masks, it's just a flu [/the gist]SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:26 amFortunately I have ad-blocker software so can't see the Mail Online. I can however imagine the general tone of the comments!!!sturginho wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:50 amIf you're in need of a good laugh, have a read of the comments on the Daily Fail's article:SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:07 am Another "knight of the shires" detatched from reality
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-to ... -12200667
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Covid.html
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These arrogant w*nkers don't know when to stop digging
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55844367
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55844367
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Don't forget that at the end of it all; all the, good, compliant, Judges, & QC, etc, all get on the Honors list; or become Peers.PCPhil wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:47 pmIn the UK, if there is something clearly fishy going on that even patients in a coma can detect we announce that there will be a full public enquiry. Immediately upon hearing that there will be said enquiry then all official people/bodies say they cannot talk as they could interfere with the full and frank open public enquiry that will be taking place at some point in the future. The enquiry will last many years. It may not even start for many years.Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:24 am Does the UK actually have a system for pursuing corruption?
I know South Africa was known for corruption under Zuma, but at least we have the Zondo commission looking into it. Whether the mountain of evidence extracted is actually acted upon is another matter, but at least it is being brought into the open.
For examples: In the case of the enquiry into how the press operates the conclusions & reccomendations when finally reached will then be ignored. In the Hillsborough enquiry, the final enquiry will finish after most of the guilty are dead or retired. Any who could still be prosecuted will be taken to court and found not guilty.
It's a very efficient system.
I'd have never have guessed! Thanks.sturginho wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:05 pmSwayne is a hero, the govt are trying to control us with masks, it's just a flu [/the gist]SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:26 amFortunately I have ad-blocker software so can't see the Mail Online. I can however imagine the general tone of the comments!!!sturginho wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:50 am
If you're in need of a good laugh, have a read of the comments on the Daily Fail's article:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Covid.html
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As Yes Minster pointed out decades ago, if you want to bury wrong doing the best way to do so was to set up a public enquiry. It will take forever, draw no useful conclusions and anyone to blame will have been long dead anyway.PCPhil wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:47 pmIn the UK, if there is something clearly fishy going on that even patients in a coma can detect we announce that there will be a full public enquiry. Immediately upon hearing that there will be said enquiry then all official people/bodies say they cannot talk as they could interfere with the full and frank open public enquiry that will be taking place at some point in the future. The enquiry will last many years. It may not even start for many years.Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:24 am Does the UK actually have a system for pursuing corruption?
I know South Africa was known for corruption under Zuma, but at least we have the Zondo commission looking into it. Whether the mountain of evidence extracted is actually acted upon is another matter, but at least it is being brought into the open.
For examples: In the case of the enquiry into how the press operates the conclusions & reccomendations when finally reached will then be ignored. In the Hillsborough enquiry, the final enquiry will finish after most of the guilty are dead or retired. Any who could still be prosecuted will be taken to court and found not guilty.
It's a very efficient system.
In "The Moral Dimension" when the minister reads in the Times that their Qumran contract was won by bribery, he tells Humphrey he wants an enquiry, Humphrey responds, "of course minister, I would be happy to chair it!"Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:02 pmAs Yes Minster pointed out decades ago, if you want to bury wrong doing the best way to do so was to set up a public enquiry. It will take forever, draw no useful conclusions and anyone to blame will have been long dead anyway.PCPhil wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:47 pmIn the UK, if there is something clearly fishy going on that even patients in a coma can detect we announce that there will be a full public enquiry. Immediately upon hearing that there will be said enquiry then all official people/bodies say they cannot talk as they could interfere with the full and frank open public enquiry that will be taking place at some point in the future. The enquiry will last many years. It may not even start for many years.Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:24 am Does the UK actually have a system for pursuing corruption?
I know South Africa was known for corruption under Zuma, but at least we have the Zondo commission looking into it. Whether the mountain of evidence extracted is actually acted upon is another matter, but at least it is being brought into the open.
For examples: In the case of the enquiry into how the press operates the conclusions & reccomendations when finally reached will then be ignored. In the Hillsborough enquiry, the final enquiry will finish after most of the guilty are dead or retired. Any who could still be prosecuted will be taken to court and found not guilty.
It's a very efficient system.
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that was back in the good olde days; when Newspapers would report wrongdoing, & then Politicians on both sides would stand up & demand that Ministers investigate; & resign if they were found to be incompetent, or corrupt.sturginho wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:17 pmIn "The Moral Dimension" when the minister reads in the Times that their Qumran contract was won by bribery, he tells Humphrey he wants an enquiry, Humphrey responds, "of course minister, I would be happy to chair it!"Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:02 pmAs Yes Minster pointed out decades ago, if you want to bury wrong doing the best way to do so was to set up a public enquiry. It will take forever, draw no useful conclusions and anyone to blame will have been long dead anyway.PCPhil wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:47 pm
In the UK, if there is something clearly fishy going on that even patients in a coma can detect we announce that there will be a full public enquiry. Immediately upon hearing that there will be said enquiry then all official people/bodies say they cannot talk as they could interfere with the full and frank open public enquiry that will be taking place at some point in the future. The enquiry will last many years. It may not even start for many years.
For examples: In the case of the enquiry into how the press operates the conclusions & reccomendations when finally reached will then be ignored. In the Hillsborough enquiry, the final enquiry will finish after most of the guilty are dead or retired. Any who could still be prosecuted will be taken to court and found not guilty.
It's a very efficient system.
It feels like about two hundred years ago ....
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So, if anyone has any belief left in these self-serving crooks, the Government states that𝒇𝒊𝒏𝒅𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒐𝒖𝒕 𝒘𝒉𝒆𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒓 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒚 𝒂𝒄𝒕𝒆𝒅 𝒊𝒍𝒍𝒆𝒈𝒂𝒍𝒍𝒚 𝒊𝒏 𝒇𝒖𝒏𝒆𝒍𝒍𝒊𝒏𝒈 £ 𝒉𝒖𝒏𝒅𝒓𝒆𝒅𝒔 𝒐𝒇 𝒎𝒊𝒍𝒍𝒊𝒐𝒏𝒔 𝒕𝒐 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒊𝒓 𝑪𝑹𝑶𝑵𝑰𝑬𝑺, 𝒊𝒔 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒊𝒏 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒑𝒖𝒃𝒍𝒊𝒄 𝒊𝒏𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒆𝒔𝒕.
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The c**ts continue unchecked
1) No unaccompanied child refugees permitted to the UK. Surely the most vulnerable of all categories.
2) EEC nationals to be paid to "go home" even though they are helping prop up the worst paid roles in care and hospitals.
3) But, WAIT FOR IT, WAIT FOR IT.....
we're going to allow 300,000 in from Hong Kong. Presumably because these grateful souls can all be counted upon to vote Tory next time up.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 94403.html
1) No unaccompanied child refugees permitted to the UK. Surely the most vulnerable of all categories.
2) EEC nationals to be paid to "go home" even though they are helping prop up the worst paid roles in care and hospitals.
3) But, WAIT FOR IT, WAIT FOR IT.....
we're going to allow 300,000 in from Hong Kong. Presumably because these grateful souls can all be counted upon to vote Tory next time up.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 94403.html
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Apparently the Home Secretary has a "statutory duty" to attend photo ops with policemen. And we are stuck with this shower for the foreseeable future.
Just one of those little post Brexit tething trouble bumps in the road that we'll soon sort out! #Michael Gove #George Eustice
The European Union has told the UK shellfish industry that thousands of tonnes of oyster, mussel, clam, cockle and scallop exports are banned from the bloc indefinitely.
British fishers, who had been told by government to expect the ban to last until spring, are warning this will be a fatal blow to their businesses.
PoliticsHome reported last month that wild shellfish caught in most UK waters that were not ready for human consumption — shellfish known collectively as live bivalve molluscs (LBMs) — had been barred from entering the EU.
This shellfish is normally purified or processed in the EU before it is distributed to supermarkets, restaurants and bars. The UK government told affected businesses and PoliticsHome that this ban was set to expire on April 21, when Brussels implemented new animal health legislation.
However, a European Commission official last week wrote to the British shellfish industry stating that the ban, which is impacting shellfish traders in England and Wales in particular, would remain in place indefinitely and would also include farmed shellfish.
Oysters and champagne all round.SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:34 am Just one of those little post Brexit tething trouble bumps in the road that we'll soon sort out! #Michael Gove #George EusticeThe European Union has told the UK shellfish industry that thousands of tonnes of oyster, mussel, clam, cockle and scallop exports are banned from the bloc indefinitely.
British fishers, who had been told by government to expect the ban to last until spring, are warning this will be a fatal blow to their businesses.
PoliticsHome reported last month that wild shellfish caught in most UK waters that were not ready for human consumption — shellfish known collectively as live bivalve molluscs (LBMs) — had been barred from entering the EU.
This shellfish is normally purified or processed in the EU before it is distributed to supermarkets, restaurants and bars. The UK government told affected businesses and PoliticsHome that this ban was set to expire on April 21, when Brussels implemented new animal health legislation.
However, a European Commission official last week wrote to the British shellfish industry stating that the ban, which is impacting shellfish traders in England and Wales in particular, would remain in place indefinitely and would also include farmed shellfish.
Badenoch appears to be an over-sensitive little flower
The curious saga of a minister’s decision to publicly condemn a journalist for seemingly doing nothing more than asking some questions is dragging on, with Downing Street saying today it is keen to “draw a line” under the events – language which often indicates officials’ desire to close down an awkward matter.
This all began on Friday when Kemi Badenoch responded to questions by HuffPost journalist Nadine White about why the equalities minister had not taken part in a cross-party video promoting Covid vaccine uptake among black, Asian and minority ethnic communities with a furious Twitter thread calling the questions “creepy and bizarre” and accusing her of “making up claims”.
This has baffled HuffPost, given the questions appeared routine and the website didn’t publish a story as they had not received an answer from Badenoch. Huffpost says the tweets sparked abuse against White, and Badenoch’s actions have been condemned by the National Union of Journalists, and reported to a Council of Europe forum on media freedom.
No, it'll have to be English Sparkling wine.robmatic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:00 amOysters and champagne all round.SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:34 am Just one of those little post Brexit tething trouble bumps in the road that we'll soon sort out! #Michael Gove #George EusticeThe European Union has told the UK shellfish industry that thousands of tonnes of oyster, mussel, clam, cockle and scallop exports are banned from the bloc indefinitely.
British fishers, who had been told by government to expect the ban to last until spring, are warning this will be a fatal blow to their businesses.
PoliticsHome reported last month that wild shellfish caught in most UK waters that were not ready for human consumption — shellfish known collectively as live bivalve molluscs (LBMs) — had been barred from entering the EU.
This shellfish is normally purified or processed in the EU before it is distributed to supermarkets, restaurants and bars. The UK government told affected businesses and PoliticsHome that this ban was set to expire on April 21, when Brussels implemented new animal health legislation.
However, a European Commission official last week wrote to the British shellfish industry stating that the ban, which is impacting shellfish traders in England and Wales in particular, would remain in place indefinitely and would also include farmed shellfish.
Don't drink and Tweet, folks.SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:16 pm Badenoch appears to be an over-sensitive little flowerThe curious saga of a minister’s decision to publicly condemn a journalist for seemingly doing nothing more than asking some questions is dragging on, with Downing Street saying today it is keen to “draw a line” under the events – language which often indicates officials’ desire to close down an awkward matter.
This all began on Friday when Kemi Badenoch responded to questions by HuffPost journalist Nadine White about why the equalities minister had not taken part in a cross-party video promoting Covid vaccine uptake among black, Asian and minority ethnic communities with a furious Twitter thread calling the questions “creepy and bizarre” and accusing her of “making up claims”.
This has baffled HuffPost, given the questions appeared routine and the website didn’t publish a story as they had not received an answer from Badenoch. Huffpost says the tweets sparked abuse against White, and Badenoch’s actions have been condemned by the National Union of Journalists, and reported to a Council of Europe forum on media freedom.
Nah, she deliberately took to Twitter to smear a journo for the crime of... asking her office a simple question via email while writing a story that never actually got published. She knows what she's doing. Cummings might be "gone" but his methods remain.Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:20 pmDon't drink and Tweet, folks.SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:16 pm Badenoch appears to be an over-sensitive little flowerThe curious saga of a minister’s decision to publicly condemn a journalist for seemingly doing nothing more than asking some questions is dragging on, with Downing Street saying today it is keen to “draw a line” under the events – language which often indicates officials’ desire to close down an awkward matter.
This all began on Friday when Kemi Badenoch responded to questions by HuffPost journalist Nadine White about why the equalities minister had not taken part in a cross-party video promoting Covid vaccine uptake among black, Asian and minority ethnic communities with a furious Twitter thread calling the questions “creepy and bizarre” and accusing her of “making up claims”.
This has baffled HuffPost, given the questions appeared routine and the website didn’t publish a story as they had not received an answer from Badenoch. Huffpost says the tweets sparked abuse against White, and Badenoch’s actions have been condemned by the National Union of Journalists, and reported to a Council of Europe forum on media freedom.
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There's some pretty decent ones about, obviously not Champagne quality but at least the equivalent of a good Cremant de Loire or Prosecco (the good stuff, not the too sweet plonk that women cackle about on social media as a substitute for tea, as if this were any way to carry on as opposed to telling the world you're a borderline alcoholic).
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Clearly learning from Pratty Patel.SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:16 pm Badenoch appears to be an over-sensitive little flowerThe curious saga of a minister’s decision to publicly condemn a journalist for seemingly doing nothing more than asking some questions is dragging on, with Downing Street saying today it is keen to “draw a line” under the events – language which often indicates officials’ desire to close down an awkward matter.
This all began on Friday when Kemi Badenoch responded to questions by HuffPost journalist Nadine White about why the equalities minister had not taken part in a cross-party video promoting Covid vaccine uptake among black, Asian and minority ethnic communities with a furious Twitter thread calling the questions “creepy and bizarre” and accusing her of “making up claims”.
This has baffled HuffPost, given the questions appeared routine and the website didn’t publish a story as they had not received an answer from Badenoch. Huffpost says the tweets sparked abuse against White, and Badenoch’s actions have been condemned by the National Union of Journalists, and reported to a Council of Europe forum on media freedom.
Certainly from the same charm school!Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:17 pmClearly learning from Pratty Patel.SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:16 pm Badenoch appears to be an over-sensitive little flowerThe curious saga of a minister’s decision to publicly condemn a journalist for seemingly doing nothing more than asking some questions is dragging on, with Downing Street saying today it is keen to “draw a line” under the events – language which often indicates officials’ desire to close down an awkward matter.
This all began on Friday when Kemi Badenoch responded to questions by HuffPost journalist Nadine White about why the equalities minister had not taken part in a cross-party video promoting Covid vaccine uptake among black, Asian and minority ethnic communities with a furious Twitter thread calling the questions “creepy and bizarre” and accusing her of “making up claims”.
This has baffled HuffPost, given the questions appeared routine and the website didn’t publish a story as they had not received an answer from Badenoch. Huffpost says the tweets sparked abuse against White, and Badenoch’s actions have been condemned by the National Union of Journalists, and reported to a Council of Europe forum on media freedom.
Friend of mine runs the Ridgeview estate so i often get nice bottles from them, lovely stuff.
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Think it's hitting a point where it's going from a bit of a novelty to a player in the market
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Their white Flint Dry and Bacchus are great, as is the rose.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:15 pmThink it's hitting a point where it's going from a bit of a novelty to a player in the market